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crimethink

26th December 2017, 01:07 AM

I receive an email each night with a Bible verse.

Tonight's:

Luke 2:14

The email uses what many call the New International (Per)Version, and its text of this verse doesn't mesh with what I recall growing up:

"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."

Whoa, what?!

This is what I remember, by heart:

"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."

Notice the difference?

Even my preferred secondary version, in "modern English," the New American Standard, perverts this verse:

"Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."

It is interesting that many consider Yahweh God to have been a "meanie" in olden times, but the new "enlightened age" has made Him a nice(r) guy. Yet the "olde text" is what makes Yahweh look more compassionate to all His creation.

When studying the Bible, always compare the verse you're reading to how the grand English standard, the King James Version, lays it out.

woodman

26th December 2017, 01:12 AM

It sure puts a different twist on it.

crimethink

26th December 2017, 01:27 AM

Those who profess to be wise but are fools (Romans 1:22), the "textual scholars," insist the new version is correct, based on an alleged "missing (single) letter" in the original manuscripts.

https://books.google.com/books?id=2pYDsAhUOxAC&pg=PA288#v=onepage&q&f=false

It's very telling the Luther Bible concurs with the King James, until it was "revised" during the current era of utter apostasy.

More:

https://books.google.com/books?id=rKqiibViFowC&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false

For the Catholics among us, the Douay-Rheims renders it:

"Glory to God in the highest: and on earth peace to men of good will."

(arguably, a legitimate variant)

“Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

Is the new official version in the NABRE (New American Bible, Revised Edition), for American Catholics.

The trouble with the new version is the exclusivity. This is inconsistent with God's expressed Will in such verses as John 3:16, where EVERYONE is invited. The accursed sinner, who believes he has no possibility of redemption, is driven away by the new texts. God's UNCONDITIONAL invitation to love Him through His Son is blurred. A religion of works and ego replaces the faith of total reliance on God's mercy via Jesus Christ. "HA HA, God loves me, but not you"...and we return back to the "Traditions of the Elders."

hoarder

26th December 2017, 05:08 AM

crimethink

26th December 2017, 05:38 AM

I'm not a religious guy, but I have a question.
It seems to me that if there really is a guy named Satan, he would be looking for opportunities to subvert the Word of God. Examples of such opportunities might be in translations of the Bible or control of major Churches.
If subversion is an incremental thing, why arbitrarily decide that the King James Version is the real McCoy? What was written before the KJV and how did it differ? Isn't it possible that the KJV itself may have been subverted ?

Unlike many, I do not "worship" the Bible. The Word of God is Jesus Christ Himself (John 1:1). Hence, I do not consider the King James "perfect." In fact, it's far from it. An easy example is understanding the Talmudic superstition about not proclaiming the name of Yahweh (Deuteronomy 32:3) was practiced by the translators of the KJV. This is seen wherever Yahweh, God's actual Name, is replaced with "LORD." The Bible itself does not command us to avoid use of God's Name - in fact, as noted in the earlier verse, we are to proclaim His Name! This replacement - hiding - of His Name is a Kosher practice...picked up by most Christians, either by ignorance or design (the former in nearly all cases; few are aware "the Jews" are not the People of the God in the Bible, so they think their practices are "Biblical").

As for the KJV being superior to modern versions, it has stood the test of time, giving the English speaking world a dependable English text of the Scriptures with which to create a Godly society. Abandonment of the KJV, and its replacement by anti-Christ garbage versions, and concurrently, "interpretation" works like the Scofield Bible, have led to the Judeo-"Christianity" of today. One does not find endorsement of faggotry, Bolshevism, or "feminism" in the KJV's words.

What came before the KJV? The (incomplete) Tyndale Bible...which John Tyndale gave his life for. Myles Coverdale completed it (in 1539, as "The Great Bible"). Both drew from Martin Luther and Desiderius Erasmus. The prose of both are seen within the King James and the Geneva Bible (a work largely of the apostate Jean Cauvin "Calvin"), since Tyndale's and Coverdale's translation/literary work was excellent.

Even further back was the Wycliffe Bible (1384), but that's getting into almost-unreadable Middle English. Though, the consistency over the centuries is fascinating:

Wycliffe: For God louede so the world, that he ȝaf his oon bigetun sone, that ech man that bileueth in him perische not, but haue euerlastynge lijf.

King James Version: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joshua01

26th December 2017, 06:34 AM

Because religion is ALL bullshit! Change a few words here and there, continue to propagate them over and over, and soon they become 'The Word of God!' I'm not attacking those who are religious. My viewpoints are my own and I don't suggest anyone should think like I do on the topic. DYODD!
I receive an email each night with a Bible verse.

Tonight's:

Luke 2:14

The email uses what many call the New International (Per)Version, and its text of this verse doesn't mesh with what I recall growing up:

"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."

Whoa, what?!

This is what I remember, by heart:

"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."

Notice the difference?

Even my preferred secondary version, in "modern English," the New American Standard, perverts this verse:

"Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."

It is interesting that many consider Yahweh God to have been a "meanie" in olden times, but the new "enlightened age" has made Him a nice(r) guy. Yet the "olde text" is what makes Yahweh look more compassionate to all His creation.

When studying the Bible, always compare the verse you're reading to how the grand English standard, the King James Version, lays it out.

ziero0

26th December 2017, 06:40 AM

Several religions claim that all or some of their works were authored (written or dictated) by their god or gods. Many editions of the Bible are under copyright due to their unique edition or translation. In the United Kingdom, the King James Version of the Bible is covered by a crown copyright.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_on_religious_works

Joshua01

26th December 2017, 06:42 AM

So, the word of God is copyrighted? Interesting!
Several religions claim that all or some of their works were authored (written or dictated) by their god or gods. Many editions of the Bible are under copyright due to their unique edition or translation. In the United Kingdom, the King James Version of the Bible is covered by a crown copyright.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_on_religious_works

ziero0

26th December 2017, 07:08 AM

the NIV even posts the following copyright notice on BibleGateway:

Copyright Information

The NIV text may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic or audio), up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without express written permission of the publisher, providing the verses do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for twenty-five percent (25%) or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted.

When the NIV is quoted in works that exercise the above fair use clause, notice of copyright must appear on the title or copyright page or opening screen of the work (whichever is appropriate) as follows:

THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV® Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.™ Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.

These Scriptures are copyrighted by the Biblica, Inc.™ and have been made available on the Internet for your personal use only. Any other use including, but not limited to, copying or reposting on the Internet is prohibited. These Scriptures may not be altered or modified in any form and must remain in their original context. These Scriptures may not be sold or otherwise offered for sale.

https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/16377/what-major-translations-of-the-bible-are-in-the-public-domain

It has been said that the last uncopyrighted bible was the 1611 KJV

Bigjon

26th December 2017, 08:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNmf-s1uMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNmf-s1uMc
QUASI-BIBLE-OF-THE-NEW-WORLD-ORDER

crimethink

26th December 2017, 08:19 PM

Several religions claim that all or some of their works were authored (written or dictated) by their god or gods....In the United Kingdom, the King James Version of the Bible is covered by a crown copyright.

The Crown Copyright exists only as pertains to the English translation, not the original texts. Further, it exists because the KJV was - surprise - ordered and paid for by King James I. All government products have a form of copyright, worldwide.

crimethink

26th December 2017, 08:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNmf-s1uMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNmf-s1uMc

They might have a Bible in the courts where this guy is, but they sure don't have them in the courts of the United States. Ask Roy Moore about that.

ziero0

27th December 2017, 06:20 AM

All government products have a form of copyright, worldwide.

So do you have a birth certificate? Does this copyright extend to your DNA?

Jewboo

11th August 2018, 09:57 AM

StreetsOfGold

11th August 2018, 06:15 PM

why arbitrarily decide that the King James Version is the real McCoy? ....Isn't it possible that the KJV itself may have been subverted ?

I have been a King James Bible believer for over 30 years, I probably know it better than anyone here (not bragging, just saying)
It has NO provable errors, even after 400 years. It has stood the test of time and it certainly is not arbitrary that it is this way, it is by decree of a King, the ONLY English Bible (of over 1000 English translations since 1611) which has been decreed by a King and today requires no fee (copyrighted) to copy it.

Ecclesiastes 8:4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?
The King James Bible has the power which no other English translation has, God's hand is personally on it and this is based on 20/20 hindsight as well as all the FAILED attempts to silence it, thwart it, malign it and usurp it.

Not only did God put his words into English at the perfect time in history but used that SAME nation (England) to spread English around the world so people could read it, even though English is not the MOST spoken (mandarin is) it is still the universal language of the world in spite of this.

hoarder

11th August 2018, 08:06 PM

I have been a King James Bible believer for over 30 years,I thought you were a Talmud believer, sorry.

StreetsOfGold

12th August 2018, 02:03 PM

I thought you were a Talmud believer, sorry.

lol that evil satanic garbage? God forbid :)

SmartAZ

26th September 2018, 02:35 AM

The big deal is that the KJV has been stable for over 400 years. It has some mistakes, but we know about all or most of them. It is a small thing to compare the words of the KJV to a directory of those words (called a concordance) to see if they are translated uniformly. You should be doing that with any version that you choose to study. It is a small thing to compare the KJV to an Interlinear Greek-English Translation Of The New Testament (there are several brands) to discover obvious misinterpretations. For example, the word 'one' was added to John 19:18. The bible plainly describes five crucified together, not three.

Bottom line:
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God Himself maintains the integrity of His word.

Jewboo

13th December 2018, 08:56 PM

Not only did God put his words into English at the perfect time in history but used that SAME nation (England) to spread English around the world so people could read it, even though English is not the MOST spoken (mandarin is) it is still the universal language of the world in spite of this.

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1544224658608.jpg

:rolleyes:

End Times

14th December 2018, 06:42 AM

[CENTER]https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1544224658608.jpg

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

He wants to be your friend, brother, and Lord, Book.

midnight rambler

14th December 2018, 07:43 AM

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1544224658608.jpg

:rolleyes:

The Son is here to show mercy, the Father is the one you're needing to be concerned about getting smited by.

It's the Stark Fist of Retrieval or the Stark Fist of Removal, YOUR choice.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2PkfsYt1aTE/UFgCLpDlDoI/AAAAAAAAEg8/il60DAIuV3c/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/jrdobbs.gif

Jewboo

14th December 2018, 08:14 AM

...YOUR choice.

:rolleyes: YOUR sig line:

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle

midnight rambler

14th December 2018, 08:57 AM

:rolleyes: YOUR sig line:

Indeed, eternal damnation (soul trap) or eternity in Heaven, YOUR choice.

BTW Book, your seven decades on this planet isn't even a noticeable flash in the overall scheme of things.

Jewboo

14th December 2018, 11:40 AM

BTW Book, your seven decades on this planet isn't even a noticeable flash in the overall scheme of things.

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1544792720186.jpg

You'll miss me MR.

:)

Hitch

14th December 2018, 12:25 PM

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

He wants to be your friend, brother, and Lord, Book.

Sup meaning Supper? He might just want to share a meal with us on occasion. :)

hoarder

14th December 2018, 02:22 PM

The big deal is that the KJV has been stable for over 400 years. It has some mistakes, but we know about all or most of them. OK then. List those mistakes.

End Times

14th December 2018, 06:11 PM

Indeed, eternal damnation (soul trap) or eternity in Heaven, YOUR choice.

BTW Book, your seven decades on this planet isn't even a noticeable flash in the overall scheme of things.

God cares about Book. And so do I. Why else would I keep arguing with an anti-Christ nitwit who WANTS to not believe? Finding every excuse he can to avoid having to face the reality that Jesus was and is Who He said He was.

End Times

14th December 2018, 06:12 PM

Sup meaning Supper? He might just want to share a meal with us on occasion. :)

That's correct. Communion was never supposed to be about crackers and a goblet of wine. It was supposed to be a weekly supper, of actual loaves of bread being broken at a family table.

End Times

14th December 2018, 06:14 PM

OK then. List those mistakes.

The first, and most notable, is the King James' adherence to the Talmud's prohibition to proclaim the Name of God, instead following the Talmudic policy of a euphemism being used in stead. LORD instead of Yahweh, the latter which we are commanded to proclaim.

Jewboo

17th December 2018, 03:27 AM

When studying the Bible, always compare the verse you're reading to how the grand English standard, the King James Version, lays it out.

http://bibleencyclopedia.com/kjv/KJV_Leviticus_19-34.jpg

Let's start with this simple word "STRANGER" in your King James Version. About as clear and simple and understandable a word as it gets huh Brother Fred?

:)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OvR52HWfEXQ/U1N7rMOqj3I/AAAAAAAACvg/ZJq9I1OoKOw/s800/refugee%2520vigil%25203.JPG

SmartAZ

20th February 2019, 12:30 PM

OK then. List those mistakes.

The most common mistake is misquotation: letting some preacher tell you what the bible says instead of reading it yourself. The second most common mistake is assuming you know what the words mean without looking them up to verify them. You need five books to understand the bible:
1. A King James version. Other versions are ok, but all the references are indexed according to the KJV.
2. An English dictionary.
3. An Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, any brand.
4. An exhaustive concordance. Everybody uses Strong's, but I prefer Young's because it is easier to use.
5. A Hebrew lexicon if you study the old testament.