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Ares
13th February 2018, 06:13 AM
On January 8, 2018, former government advisor Edward Luttwak wrote an opinion piece for Foreign Policy titled “It’s Time to Bomb North Korea.”

Luttwak’s thesis is relatively straightforward. There is a government out there that may very soon acquire nuclear-weapons capabilities, and this country cannot be trusted to responsibly handle such a stockpile. The responsibility to protect the world from a rogue nation cannot be argued with, and we understandably have a duty to ensure the future of humanity.

However, there is one rogue nation that continues to hold the world ransom with its nuclear weapons supply. It is decimating non-compliant states left, right, and center. This country must be stopped dead in its tracks before anyone turns to the issue of North Korea.

In August of 1945, this rogue nation dropped two atomic bombs on civilian targets, not military targets, completely obliterating between 135,000 and 300,000 Japanese civilians in just these two acts alone. Prior to this event, this country killed even more civilians in the infamous firebombing of Tokyo and other areas of Japan, dropping close to 500,000 cylinders of napalm and petroleum jelly on some of Japan’s most densely populated areas.

Recently, historians have become more open to the possibility that dropping the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not actually necessary to end World War II. This has also been confirmed by those who actually took part in it. As the Nation explained:

“Fleet Adm. Chester Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, stated in a public address at the Washington Monument two months after the bombings that ‘the atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan…’ Adm. William “Bull” Halsey Jr., Commander of the US Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946 that ‘the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment…. It was a mistake to ever drop it…. [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it…” [emphasis added]

A few months’ prior, this rogue country’s invasion of the Japanese island of Okinawa also claimed at least one quarter of Okinawa’s population. The Okinawan people have been protesting this country’s military presence ever since. The most recent ongoing protest has lasted well over 5,000 days in a row.

This nation’s bloodlust continued well after the end of World War II. Barely half a decade later, this country bombed North Korea into complete oblivion, destroying over 8,700 factories, 5,000 schools, 1,000 hospitals, 600,000 homes, and eventually killing off as much as 20 percent of the country’s population. As the Asia Pacific Journal has noted, the assaulting country dropped so many bombs that they eventually ran out of targets to hit, turning to bomb the irrigation systems, instead:

“By the fall of 1952, there were no effective targets left for US planes to hit. Every significant town, city and industrial area in North Korea had already been bombed. In the spring of 1953, the Air Force targeted irrigation dams on the Yalu River, both to destroy the North Korean rice crop and to pressure the Chinese, who would have to supply more food aid to the North. Five reservoirs were hit, flooding thousands of acres of farmland, inundating whole towns and laying waste to the essential food source for millions of North Koreans.” [emphasis added]

This was just the beginning. Having successfully destroyed the future North Korean state, this country moved on to the rest of East Asia and Indo-China, too. As Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi has explained:

“We [this loose cannon of a nation] dumped 20 million gallons of toxic herbicide on Vietnam from the air, just to make the shooting easier without all those trees, an insane plan to win ‘hearts and minds’ that has left about a million still disabled from defects and disease – including about 100,000 children, even decades later, little kids with misshapen heads, webbed hands and fused eyelids writhing on cots, our real American legacy, well out of view, of course.”

This mass murder led to the deaths of between 1.5 million and 3.8 million people, according to the Washington Post. More bombs were dropped on Vietnam than were unleashed during the entire conflict in World War II. While this was going on, this same country was also secretly bombing Laos and Cambodia, too, where there are over 80 million unexploded bombs still killing people to this day.

This country also decided to bomb Yugoslavia, Panama, and Grenada before invading Iraq in the early 1990s. Having successfully bombed Iraqi infrastructure, this country then punished Iraq’s entire civilian population with brutal sanctions. At the time, the U.N. estimated that approximately 1.7 million Iraqis had died as a result, including 500,000 to 600,000 children. Some years later, a prominent medical journal attempted to absolve the cause of this infamous history by refuting the statistics involved despite the fact that, when interviewed during the sanctions-era, Bill Clinton’s secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, intimated that to this rogue government, the deaths of half a million children were “worth it” as the “price” Iraq needed to pay. In other words, whether half a million children died or not was irrelevant to this bloodthirsty nation, which barely blinked while carrying out this murderous policy.

This almighty superpower then invaded Iraq again in 2003 and plunged the entire region into chaos. At the end of May 2017, the Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) released a study concluding that the death toll from this violent nation’s 2003 invasion of Iraq had led to over one million deaths and that at least one-third of them were caused directly by the invading force.

Not to mention this country also invaded Afghanistan prior to the invasion of Iraq (even though the militants plaguing Afghanistan were originally trained and financed by this warmongering nation). It then went on to bomb Yemen, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and the Philippines.

Libya famously had one of the highest standards of living in the region. It had state-assisted healthcare, education, transport, and affordable housing. It is now a lawless war-zone rife with extremism where slaves are openly traded like commodities amid the power vacuum created as a direct result of the 2011 invasion.

In 2017, the commander-in-chief of this violent nation took the monumental death and destruction to a new a level by removing the restrictions on delivering airstrikes, which resulted in thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths. Before that, in the first six months of 2017, this country dropped over 20,650 bombs, a monumental increase from the year that preceded it.

Despite these statistics, all of the above conquests are mere child’s play to this nation. The real prize lies in some of the more defiant and more powerful states, which this country has already unleashed a containment strategy upon. This country has deployed its own troops all across the border with Russia even though it promised in the early 1990s it would do no such thing. It also has a specific policy of containing Russia’s close ally, China, all the while threatening China’s borders with talks of direct strikes on North Korea (again, remember it already did so in the 1950s).

This country also elected a president who not only believes it is okay to embrace this rampantly violent militarism but who openly calls other countries “shitholes” – the very same term that aptly describes the way this country has treated the rest of the world for decades on end. This same president also reportedly once asked three times in a meeting, “If we have nuclear weapons, why don’t we use them?” and shortly after proposed a policy to remove the constraints protecting the world from his dangerous supply of advanced nuclear weaponry.

When it isn’t directly bombing a country, it is also arming radical insurgent groups, creating instability, and directly overthrowing governments through its covert operatives on the ground.

If we have any empathy for humanity, it is clear that this country must be stopped. It cannot continue to act like this to the detriment of the rest of the planet and the safety and security of the rest of us. This country openly talks about using its nuclear weapons, has used them before, and has continued to use all manner of weapons unabated in the years since while threatening to expand the use of these weapons to other countries.

Seriously, if North Korea seems like a threat, imagine how the rest of the world feels while watching one country violently take on the rest of the planet single-handedly, leaving nothing but destruction in its wake and promising nothing less than a nuclear holocaust in the years to come.

There is only one country that has done that and continues to do the very things North Korea is being accused of doing.

Take as much time as you need for that to resonate.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-12/if-america-wasnt-america-united-states-would-be-bombing-it

Neuro
13th February 2018, 06:42 AM
They forgot the thousands of tons of depleted uranium dropped on Iraq and Serbia, during the Clinton and Bush 2 regime...

Ares
13th February 2018, 06:45 AM
They forgot the thousands of tons of depleted uranium dropped on Iraq and Serbia, during the Clinton regime...

Hey what are you talking about? That was a useful way for us to get rid of our depleted Uranium that was just sitting around waiting for the next 5,000+ years for it to no longer be considered nuclear waste. :)

Neuro
13th February 2018, 06:48 AM
Hey what are you talking about? That was a useful way for us to get rid of our depleted Uranium that was just sitting around waiting for the next 5,000+ years for it to no longer be considered nuclear waste. :)

Resource optimization! ;)

Ares
13th February 2018, 06:50 AM
Resource optimization! ;)

Exactly!!! Now you're thinking like a warmonger. :)

Neuro
13th February 2018, 07:09 AM
Exactly!!! Now you're thinking like a warmonger. :)

Bunker Buster should be a cartoon character, so that children get a healthy viewpoint on the use of depleted uranium munitions later in life

Horn
13th February 2018, 08:00 AM
The responsibility to protect the world from a rogue nation cannot be argued with

You guys are arguing points that nobody can argue with.

ziero0
13th February 2018, 08:07 AM
Winning has gotten America nothing but grief. Maybe it is just time to surrender and check if N Korea has a Marshal Plan?

This lesson has been taught to China many times. In its' history China has been defeated and occupied 10-20 times if not more. Each time China has taught the victor that they are too expensive to maintain and the victor eventually chucks them back into the world of the free.

N Korea has much to teach the world about synchronized cheer leading.

JDRock
13th February 2018, 08:12 AM
I want this thread title made into bumper stickers!

Bigjon
13th February 2018, 08:15 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I look up and see the bombs slowly descending on me every day.

I spent the fifties herding steel horses around the fields of sw Minnesota and can tell you those skies look nothing like today's skies.

Neuro
13th February 2018, 10:30 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I look up and see the bombs slowly descending on me every day.

I spent the fifties herding steel horses around the fields of sw Minnesota and can tell you those skies look nothing like today's skies.

Steel horses=motorcycles? Fifties=60-65 years ago.

You are in your 80’s bigjon?

Wow, respect!

Bigjon
13th February 2018, 10:39 AM
Steel horses=motorcycles? Fifties=60-65 years ago.

You are in your 80’s bigjon?

Wow, respect!

Mostly A, D, 60, 720, G, R John Deere tractors. My age is in mid 70's, I first drove an A John Deere with a two row cultivator at age 11.

http://www.tractordata.com/photos/F000/25/25-td3a.jpg
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/2/25-john-deere-a.html

Atocha
13th February 2018, 10:40 AM
I want this thread title made into bumper stickers!

Yes!

monty
13th February 2018, 11:50 AM
Mostly A, D, 60, 720, G, R John Deere tractors. My age is in mid 70's, I first drove an A John Deere with a two row cultivator at age 11.

http://www.tractordata.com/photos/F000/25/25-td3a.jpg
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/2/25-john-deere-a.html

You beat me by a year. I was on a Farmall H at 12 also M and MD


https://s19.postimg.org/qi4hmj077/867_B39_AD-7_F8_D-45_E6-8_FCB-_DABC1_C717_CD9.jpg

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/2/9/290-farmall-h.html

midnight rambler
13th February 2018, 12:43 PM
You beat me by a year. I was on a Farmall H at 12 also M and MD


https://s19.postimg.org/qi4hmj077/867_B39_AD-7_F8_D-45_E6-8_FCB-_DABC1_C717_CD9.jpg

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/2/9/290-farmall-h.html

I was put to work as soon as I could reach the clutch on a Case 630 - had to lean to the left and extend my toes.

Bigjon
13th February 2018, 01:06 PM
John Deere didn't use a foot clutch until the model xxx can't remember.
That two row cultivator was raised by spring assist. I had to stop near the end of the field and release the handle that held it in the ground, then drive a couple of feet which brought the shovels near the surface, then stop get in front of the lever and grab it with both hands and using all of my might lifted it to the locked up position. The lever was the same height as I was. Guess about 4.x feet.
Then turn the tractor around and line up with the next two rows release the lever drive a couple of feet, stop and repeat to lock it into the ground.
Day after day, that was colossally tedious and boring.

ziero0
13th February 2018, 02:42 PM
I still have the scar from the rear spring from a cultivator on an F12. Seems like I was around 6 at the time and always ready to get my fingers in where they didn't belong.

Cebu_4_2
13th February 2018, 04:31 PM
http://youtu.be/oJkYu2TH6CA

https://youtu.be/oJkYu2TH6CA

Dachsie
13th February 2018, 04:50 PM
"Luttwak’s thesis is relatively straightforward. There is a government out there that may very soon acquire nuclear-weapons capabilities, and this country cannot be trusted to responsibly handle such a stockpile. The responsibility to protect the world from a rogue nation cannot be argued with, and we understandably have a duty to ensure the future of humanity."

We see by now that that is the old, tried and true, ever-useful... PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION or Hegelian Dialectic strategy.

create the PROBLEM: so THEY give, in secret, nuclear-weapons capabilities to North Korea


let the REACTION ensue: we need to be very afraid of a rogue nation like North Korea because we know they will not handle their nukes responsibly - so we have to hurry and DO SOMETHING


Provide the SOLUTION: We need to "ensure the future of humanity." by blowing North Korea and North Koreans to kingdom come.

______

midnight rambler
13th February 2018, 04:57 PM
http://youtu.be/oJkYu2TH6CA

https://youtu.be/oJkYu2TH6CA

That was cool, but this is way cooler -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUnvVD1uKWo

Horn
13th February 2018, 06:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JkNekrfRXg

Hitch
13th February 2018, 06:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JkNekrfRXg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxIAHW7DCw

Cebu_4_2
13th February 2018, 07:04 PM
That was cool, but this is way cooler -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUnvVD1uKWo

She isn't 6 and alone running an operation. There is no way the 6 year old can do what she does either. They both have their own max knowledge base in their own entities. Could she eventually do what the 6 year old does? Probably, an exchange of knowledge. Very good point MR. The 6 year old needs to gain a foot in height and at least 50 lb's to compete.

Cebu_4_2
13th February 2018, 07:07 PM
[video=youtube;pzxIAHW7DCw]

Where you come from Pete?