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Cebu_4_2
7th March 2018, 11:44 AM
Tariff May Have Just Revealed Trump’s Plan for Income Tax… and It’s Massive By Cillian Zeal (https://conservativetribune.com/author/chris-golden/)
March 6, 2018 at 6:59am


https://conservativetribune.com/tariff-revealed-trump-plan/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_content=2018-03-06&utm_campaign=manualpost

For many conservatives, the president’s decision last week to impose a 25 percent tariff on imported steel and 10 percent on imported aluminum was where they decided to get off the Trump train.

One of those departures was House Speaker Paul Ryan. “We are extremely worried about the consequences of a trade war and are urging the White House to not advance with this plan,” Ryan’s spokeswoman, AshLee Strong, told reporters on Monday.

“The new tax reform law has boosted the economy and we certainly don’t want to jeopardize those gains.”

Ryan was far from the only conservative up in arms over the plan. Two GOP aides told CNN that legislative action was being considered by senior Republicans in Congress if the president didn’t back off the initiative.

Lauren Aronson, spokeswoman for House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady, said Brady believed the executive and legislative branches “must work together on trade policies that build off the momentum of the president’s tax cuts, which is why any tariffs should be narrow, targeted, and focused on addressing unfairly traded products, without disrupting the flow of fairly traded products for American businesses and consumers.”
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And the National Review — which, while conservative, isn’t necessarily pro-Trump — published an article on the tariffs titled “Donald Trump: Dumb Like a Fox, or Just Dumb?”

The reason is obvious. Free trade is generally good for America, provided it isn’t unfair. And if President Trump thinks it’s unfair now, just wait until a trade war starts.

However, there is an alternative theory that’s beginning to make the rounds: What if President Trump’s tariff policies have more to do with taxes than with trade?

Don’t follow? In his 1888 book “The Tariff History of the United States,” noted economist Frank William Taussig says that American steel tariffs as high 90 percent (or over) on British steel in the wake of the Civil War allowed the American steel industry to flourish while simultaneously (this is a key point here; you may want to write it down for the test later on) helping pay the nation’s bills.
Do you think there's a grander scheme behind Trump's tariffs?

“By 1877 the average price of steel rails in England was only a little over $31 per ton; and since 1877 the English price not on the average has been so high as $28 per ton,” Taussig wrote. “The duty of $28, which this country imposed, therefore became equivalent to more than one hundred per cent on the foreign price.”

Taussig noted that this was “an enormous gain to the producers of its steel rails in the United States.” While part of this had to do with the fact that the patents for the new Bessemer process of producing steel inexpensively were held in American hands, the tariff came during a point in time during which the economy was picking up and construction was rebounding, which meant businesses were willing to pay the tariff — thus putting money in the national coffers.

So, where do taxes come in? Before the 16th Amendment was passed into law back in 1913, making the federal income tax a permanent feature, up to 95 percent of the money our government collected was from tariffs. Even then, they continued to be a consistent form of revenue until 1940s. That’s when the government started focusing on tariffs as a matter of trade more than a matter of revenue collection.

Make no mistake: tariffs on steel and aluminum will likely make certain things more expensive. However, given how much of our revenue stream comes from income taxes, relying more on tariffs could mean that the president could reduce taxes even further without affecting the deficit. For most Americans, this would mean a massive cash infusion into both the economy and their own personal bank accounts. It would be the biggest American paradigm shift in terms of national revenue in over a century.

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It would also be an exceptionally daring — and potentially dangerous — experiment for a president to try. This isn’t 1913. Our knowledge of economics and of the complexities of global trade have increased greatly, and the general consensus on the conservative side of the aisle is that the benefits of free trade generally outweigh the benefits from protectionism and tariff revenue.

And keep in mind, this is mere speculation. For his part, President Trump insists that the move is based off of a desire to compensate for unfair agreements and force two of our biggest trading partners to the table.

“We have large trade deficits with Mexico and Canada. NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A. Massive relocation of companies & jobs,” Trump tweeted just an hour after Speaker Ryan’s statement of concern on Monday. “Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum will only come off if new & fair NAFTA agreement is signed. Also, Canada must treat our farmers much better. Highly restrictive. Mexico must do much more on stopping drugs from pouring into the U.S. They have not done what needs to be done. Millions of people addicted and dying.”

We have large trade deficits with Mexico and Canada. NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A. Massive relocation of companies & jobs. Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum will only come off if new & fair NAFTA agreement is signed. Also, Canada must..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 5, 2018

…treat our farmers much better. Highly restrictive. Mexico must do much more on stopping drugs from pouring into the U.S. They have not done what needs to be done. Millions of people addicted and dying.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 5, 2018

Whatever his intentions may be seems that whatever the reaction from conservatives, Trump isn’t backing down. It’s difficult to properly ascribe intent to a president who is anything but predictable.

Yes, we agree that the prospect of an economy and a presidency bogged down in trade wars is not a good thing. If there isn’t a grander scheme behind this to lower taxes even further and it doesn’t force Mexico and Canada to sit down and offer better terms on NAFTA, this ought to be a worrying moment for conservatives.

However, given how often Trump’s unpredictability is often a sign of thinking outside of the Beltway box, we urge members of the right to not to necessarily get off the Trump train on this one just yet.

Joshua01
7th March 2018, 02:30 PM
Ryan was far from the only conservative up in arms over the plan

Ryan is far from a conservative!

Edit: I agree with SMC, conservatives aren't up in arms over tariffs, bankers and traitors are as they see their power slipping away.

Stop Making Cents
7th March 2018, 02:40 PM
Cliff notes version please.

The idea that "conservatives" are upset with tariffs is total bullshit. There's nothing conservative about the Bush family, Paul Ryan, and the rest of the neocons. The republican party, and the founding fathers believed in tariffs to protect industry and for most of this nations history, tariffs funded the government and there was NO income tax. Sounds pretty conservative to me. Until the Bush family of perverts and faggots and comunists and globalists took root with their globalist free trade lies that became unassailable in either party. Bush family ruined this country with the help of Democrat communists, and their brand of "compassionate conservatism" has been exposed as the totally bogus anti-American bullshit that it is.

cheka.
8th March 2018, 06:21 AM
tariff or continue to get bled out by the nyc parasites. parasites share/compensation of the economic output has soared to record high during their 'free' trade scam

time to get back to the AMERICAN system. the system in place before the skype takeover in 1913 - when they began replacing tariffs with income taxes, primarily on WAGES

if team chump has done nothing else, bringing tariff back into the discussion is a major accomplishment. tariff truth has been completely skyped up -- like holycost -- revisionists have spent decades covering them up and spinning never-ending lies about them

i have had great success educating the crowd at zerohedge about this. i was a lone voice in the wilderness when tariff talk first started. now i go there and read my own words from many of the posters :cool:

Dachsie
8th March 2018, 08:33 AM
Here is the libertarian Peter Shiff's take on this tariff matter.

So many things sound good when these smart libertarians start mouthing all their oh-so-neat-and-logical theories, but let's illuminate those theories. And remember those theories have never ever ever worked anywhere in the world in world history. Human bankster greed always takes over. USA is not supposed to operate under "separation of Church and state" and that is a sure recipe for bankster greed takeover that we have now. True economics is moral economics where what is for the "common good" has primacy and where national sovereignty is valued.

You can look up articles by libertairian Ron Paul, who seemed to be such a moral man and had such intelligent reasonable ideas that were consistently voted down in congress, that relate to "in praise of price gouging" . There is another article where Ron Paul says how hotels that where outside of New York City, when fleeing in fear immediately after 9-11-01, that immediately jacked up room prices exponentially were just doing the intelligent, perfectly permissible thing to do. Price gouging and "taking advantage" are the principles of Austrian, Jewish atheist, economics.

8 minute video clip

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3LfCRUs5lzUY/



Euro Pacific Capitol - Peter Shiff on Trump Tarriffs, Taxes & the Economy - Peter Shiff

Get-to-the-Point Bitchute channel name

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Start at about 1:25 and going to about 3:31 about 2 minutes of this clip that encompasses all the old libertarian economics non-sense

He assumes that American steel manufactures are going to jack up the prices of their steel that they sell to American manufacturers to make American-made goods that Americans need, and goods at a price Americans can afford. Not so.

The "prices" or cost that overseas companies have to pay for American steel will be higher because of the tarriff but that technically is not because the "sales price" of steel to them has gone up, but is because the cost to the overseas purchaser is higher because of the tariff.

He says these tariffs are going to make American less competitive.

He says yes it will be good for American steel companies because "they can jack up the prices that they charge American consumers." False. Does not follow. Why does tariffs on U.S. exports to foreign manufactures give the option for American industries selling to American manufactures to "jack up the "prices'"? No, this does not raise the "price" to American manufactures buying American steel because American manufacturers will not have to pay the tariff. This is equivocation. Confusing the meaning of the word "price" with the word "cost."

Americans could be paying less for the products they buy now from ChinaMart and therefore Americans could be keeping American money in the sovereign USA and not sending it out of the country. In fact, ChinaMart products in the USA will become much less attractive and big box stores like Walmart would have to start stocking more Made in America products to survive. This would work across all raw industrial materials produced in America, not just steel.

Typical libertarian double speak.

Libertarians always adhere to "whatever the market will bear" philosophy that whatever price you can get away with charging by taking advantage of whatever situation exists at the time is A OK fine and simply intelligent way to do business. No morality involved. No concern for USA national sovereignty and taking care of American citizens first. Just make sure American industries are able to "be competitive" with foreign industries.

I read Federalist Paper Number 10 I think it was years ago. The idea was that the USA has been blessed with all the geographical characteristics, internal waterways, fossil fuels, technology, etc., that make the USA able to not have to rely on outside countries to provide what is needed for people to live and survive and have a sovereign country that is free. Other countries do not have these characteristics and cannot be independent of the world trade / banking systems, they have to sell their would-be sovereignty in order to survive. Unless countries operate under the moral and truthful "good business sense" of Christ the King.

cheka.
8th March 2018, 09:18 AM
libertarian views on immigration and free trade only work if you have honest money. tell them to get rid of the bank, then we'll talk about their policies

would the skype be bribing herds of mexicans to invade the US if skype had to give them sacks of gold/silver coin instead of their satan's scrip? hell no. same with their wars -- screeching halt

Dachsie
8th March 2018, 09:34 AM
"libertarian views on immigration and free trade only work if you have honest money."

libertarian views will never work because they regard human beings as products and pawns, to be sold on the free trade market to the highest bidder.

Libertarian views will never work because banks and dishonest money are core principles of their system.

Libertarian views will never work because there is no regard for national sovereignty which is why the USA is in meltdown right now.

Ironically, we are very close to getting Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill passed, but really Trump and the Deep State are racing to collapse the U S economy and move to a new international money system in their own way and whatever is uncovered becomes moot. No matter what swamp material is uncovered of a full honest audit of the Federal Reserve is obtained, will still have to send the data to the corrupt Department of Justice to adjudicate.

If the Deep State wins, it will be an internationally banking system based on major dishonest money - ergo

One World Death and Slavery System for All

jimswift
8th March 2018, 10:39 AM
libertarian views will never work because they regard human beings as products and pawns, to be sold on the free trade market to the highest bidder.

Libertarian views will never work because banks and dishonest money are core principles of their system.


I would not say "products and pawns" but rather 'labor', which I believe happens to be a commodity.

Not sure what your on about with the 'banks and dishonest money' thing?

Dachsie
8th March 2018, 10:46 AM
Not sure what your on about with the 'banks and dishonest money' thing?

The Federal Reserve Bank in 1913 is when the USA got dishonest money. It is where you create money out of nothing and charge interest (usury) on it. It also involves "fractopma reserve banking" which is another way of creating money out of nothing. The money is dishonest because it is based on DEBT, not based on something of intrinsic value like gold. JFK's greenbacks were United States Certificates, not Federal Reserve Notes, and they were not backed by precious metals but were backed by something we used to have called "the full faith and credit of the United States of America.

Those who gave us the Federal Reserve in 1913 are the Deep State and are the same people setting up a one world beast bank.

jimswift
8th March 2018, 10:56 AM
Oh, I thought you were saying a libertarian system needs 'banks and dishonest money'.

Dachsie
8th March 2018, 11:01 AM
Oh, I thought you were saying a libertarian system needs 'banks and dishonest money'.

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Basically, libertarianism does require something that will look very much like a bank and money based on debt. It is an atheist Jewish money system.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Capitalism is state sponsored usury.

EE_
8th March 2018, 11:24 AM
US Steel To Reopen Idle Plant Thanks To Trump Tariffs
by Tyler Durden
Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:55

U.S. Steel will reopen an idle plant in Illinois in anticipation of increased domestic demand following President Trump's announced 25% steel and 10% aluminum tariffs. The steelmaker will be calling 500 employees back to work to the plant - which was set on idle status two years ago as a flood of cheap imported metals have pushed down domestic steel prices.

"We're really excited to be able to tell our employees in the community in Granite City, Illinois, that we will be calling back 500 employees," said CEO David Burritt in an interview with CNBC's "Squawk Box."

Two blast furnaces will be fired back up at the Granite City Works integrated steelmaking plant in Illinois - a process which could take up to four months, and will add approximately 1.4 million tons of steel annually to the U.S. market - generating up to $85 million in pretax income in 2018 for the company. The restarted furnace will require inventories of iron ore, metallurgical coking coal and other ingredients to operate. The site also has another idle blast furnace which could be restarted later.

The facility had been idle since December 2015 over what Burritt called unfair trade practices. "If you don't have customers here to sell to and you can't make money, you have to shut them down."

Steel producers have been hurt in recent years by increasing competition from foreign competitors, particularly China, that have ramped up production at lower prices.

Prices have been rising again in the U.S. in part because of the Trump administration’s discussions over whether to widen tariffs that have been applied piecemeal in recent years. Spot-market sheet-steel prices have risen more about 37% since October to about $810 a ton, according steel-industry price surveys. -WSJ

“Our Granite City Works facility and employees, as well as the surrounding community, have suffered too long from the unending waves of unfairly traded steel products that have flooded U.S. markets,” said Burritt.

President Trump announced the tariffs on steel and aluminum last Thursday - a move widely credited with the "last straw" in White House economic advisor and former #2 at Goldman Sachs, Gary Cohn.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross appeared on CNBC Wednesday with Burritt, where he said the White House is not trying to "blow up the world" with tariffs - indicating that President Trump was open to exempting U.S. trading partners Mexico and Canada under a reworked NAFTA deal.

"This feels like the beginning of a renaissance for us," said Burritt, a former chief financial officer at heavy equipment maker Caterpillar. "It's really important that we get this right, and now it's finally happening."

"You've got to be able to make stuff in the United States. If you take away our ability to make things, you don't really have a society."

"Just think about the way the U.K. used to have a big manufacturing base. It went away. If you don't make stuff, you can't have a strong country. You can't protect yourself and you go by the way of Greece or maybe Puerto Rico," added Burritt.

Not everyone's happy

As the Wall St. Journal notes, the tariffs are going to affect several domestic manufacturers, including Caterpillar Inc. and Harley-Davidson Inc., which have both said the tariffs could significantly increase their raw material costs. Construction equipment firm Terex Corp said it would simply pass on higher steel costs to customers.

“The steel market has moved as though the tariffs are going into place,” said Tererx CEO John Garrison Tuesday. “We can’t be the shock absorber for that significant increase.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-08/us-steel-reopen-idle-plant-due-trump-tariffs

Dogman
8th March 2018, 11:44 AM
US Steel To Reopen Idle Plant Thanks To Trump Tariffs
by Tyler Durden
Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:55

U.S. Steel will reopen an idle plant in Illinois in anticipation of increased domestic demand following President Trump's announced 25% steel and 10% aluminum tariffs. The steelmaker will be calling 500 employees back to work to the plant - which was set on idle status two years ago as a flood of cheap imported metals have pushed down domestic steel prices.

"We're really excited to be able to tell our employees in the community in Granite City, Illinois, that we will be calling back 500 employees," said CEO David Burritt in an interview with CNBC's "Squawk Box."

Two blast furnaces will be fired back up at the Granite City Works integrated steelmaking plant in Illinois - a process which could take up to four months, and will add approximately 1.4 million tons of steel annually to the U.S. market - generating up to $85 million in pretax income in 2018 for the company. The restarted furnace will require inventories of iron ore, metallurgical coking coal and other ingredients to operate. The site also has another idle blast furnace which could be restarted later.

The facility had been idle since December 2015 over what Burritt called unfair trade practices. "If you don't have customers here to sell to and you can't make money, you have to shut them down."

Steel producers have been hurt in recent years by increasing competition from foreign competitors, particularly China, that have ramped up production at lower prices.

Prices have been rising again in the U.S. in part because of the Trump administration’s discussions over whether to widen tariffs that have been applied piecemeal in recent years. Spot-market sheet-steel prices have risen more about 37% since October to about $810 a ton, according steel-industry price surveys. -WSJ

“Our Granite City Works facility and employees, as well as the surrounding community, have suffered too long from the unending waves of unfairly traded steel products that have flooded U.S. markets,” said Burritt.

President Trump announced the tariffs on steel and aluminum last Thursday - a move widely credited with the "last straw" in White House economic advisor and former #2 at Goldman Sachs, Gary Cohn.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross appeared on CNBC Wednesday with Burritt, where he said the White House is not trying to "blow up the world" with tariffs - indicating that President Trump was open to exempting U.S. trading partners Mexico and Canada under a reworked NAFTA deal.

"This feels like the beginning of a renaissance for us," said Burritt, a former chief financial officer at heavy equipment maker Caterpillar. "It's really important that we get this right, and now it's finally happening."

"You've got to be able to make stuff in the United States. If you take away our ability to make things, you don't really have a society."

"Just think about the way the U.K. used to have a big manufacturing base. It went away. If you don't make stuff, you can't have a strong country. You can't protect yourself and you go by the way of Greece or maybe Puerto Rico," added Burritt.

Not everyone's happy

As the Wall St. Journal notes, the tariffs are going to affect several domestic manufacturers, including Caterpillar Inc. and Harley-Davidson Inc., which have both said the tariffs could significantly increase their raw material costs. Construction equipment firm Terex Corp said it would simply pass on higher steel costs to customers.

“The steel market has moved as though the tariffs are going into place,” said Tererx CEO John Garrison Tuesday. “We can’t be the shock absorber for that significant increase.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-08/us-steel-reopen-idle-plant-due-trump-tariffs Great !

But time will tell, how it plays out...But kudos , bet major modernization will happen, using fewer employees , (but any job is better than nada) to bring a profit, against the computation. For many co's it is payroll that drove them over seas or to shut down. (Cost per ton)

jimswift
8th March 2018, 11:57 AM
Basically, libertarianism ..... is an atheist Jewish money system.


Interesting

Dachsie
8th March 2018, 12:27 PM
Interesting

libertarianism with a small L encompasses political and economic philosophy. Libertarianism with a big L is the Libertarian Party.

The economic philosophy on which libertarianism is based was founded by and its main promulgators over the years are...

I would say about 99 percent of these people are atheist Jews and we can rule out religious Judaism and Christianity for that remaining 1 percent.

Carl Menger,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk, and
Friedrich Freiherr von Wieser.
Later Austrian School devotees include…
Ludwig von Mises,
Friedrich Hayek,
Joseph Schumpeter.
Murray Rothbard,
Israel Krizner,
Ludwig Lachmann,
Peter J. Boettke, and
Peter Schiff.