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Horn
21st March 2018, 08:51 AM
The special case of steel

Steel tariffs, however, don’t follow this pattern.

That’s because far from being broadly dispersed, steel consumers are heavily concentrated in the construction and automotive industries — which have very powerful political lobbies of their own. As a result, steel consumers are more likely to balk at the higher prices that would result from tariffs.

In 2002, it was pushback from these industries that helped persuade the National Association of Manufacturers to come out against the tariffs. Eventually the World Trade Organization ruled the policy illegal because it violated U.S. trade commitments, which led to the threat of a trade war with the European Union.

The Bush administration withdrew the tariffs in December 2003, about 21 months after they were imposed, but not without a cost. The Consuming Industries Trade Action Coalition found that 200,000 workers in U.S. manufacturing lost their jobs as a result of the tariffs. For comparison, the entire U.S. steel industry employed 197,000 at the time.


The politics of trade

So why is Trump doing this?

As my research shows, there are always competing voices lobbying for and against trade protection, and those preferences alone aren’t enough to push a protective measure into law. That depends on how effective an interest group is in winning the support of powerful political patrons.


The steel industry has had several things working in its favor. Trump has said repeatedly that he wants to protect American manufacturing squeezed by foreign competition, and U.S. steel certainly fits that profile. But more importantly, steel production is concentrated in old industrial states in the Midwest, such as Pennsylvania and Ohio. These states have been swing states in recent presidential elections, which gives industries with workers in those regions outsize influence.

The U.S. sugar industry, which is very heavily protected, benefits in a similar way by being heavily concentrated in Florida, a frequent swing state.

Still, despite steel’s political advantages, tariffs are still a large gamble for Trump. While the impact of steel tariffs on other domestic manufacturers such as construction and automotive manufacturing is likely to be bad, the bigger concern is that they set off a trade war.

That would have negative consequences for American consumers and producers alike, as well as for the U.S. economy.

Video of Obama Nixon Bush at link,

Basically you are a globalist just like those past Presidents "quelling Chinese production is the goal" through however many pin pricks.

Or just as dumb as any of those past presidents and Trump.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-imposed-tariffs-on-steel-2018-03-08

Neuro
22nd March 2018, 04:08 AM
Yes it is kind of hard to see how US manufacturing industry would be able to improve their competitiveness if their steel is more expensive than their competitors. However now the impact will be lesser than during George II, you can’t export a manufacturing job that already has been sent to China.

ziero0
22nd March 2018, 04:26 AM
Isn't it obvious. Self-immolation is a tactic such as a firefighters controlled burn. In this case you prove to your opponent that you are prepared to inflict more damage on yourself than what he is prepared to inflict. You do this in a controlled manner rather than wait for an uncontrolled conflict.

cheka.
22nd March 2018, 04:38 AM
here's another example of what the anti-tariff tribe in nyc thinks. anti-tariffers -- how's that goldman jizz taste? ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

The War of 1812 (1812–1815) was a conflict fought between the United States, the United Kingdom, and their respective allies

In financial matters, the decentralizing ideology of the Republicans meant they wanted the First Bank of the United States to expire in 1811, when its 20-year charter ran out. Its absence made it much more difficult to handle the financing of the war, and cause special problems in terms of moving money from state to state, since state banks were not allowed to operate across state lines

Federalists in Congress and especially the Federalist-controlled state governments in the Northeast, and the Federalist-aligned financial system in the Northeast, was strongly opposed to the war and refused to help in the financing

Horn
22nd March 2018, 08:04 AM
Yes it is kind of hard to see how US manufacturing industry would be able to improve their competitiveness if their steel is more expensive than their competitors. However now the impact will be lesser than during George II, you can’t export a manufacturing job that already has been sent to China.

The solution to any bad trading deal, is don't trade. Anything else is globalist and why any import tax is a bad idea. If your country needs a couple more pigs on the street, raise the sales tax across the board and hope people want the same. Resistance is Futile

Or at the very least make clear and campaign directly in that fashion to boycott. Not any of this halfway, i give you 3 licks you kiss my belly once in 22.2% tariff in my steel only its for homos.

If oil were actually free to float all of this would get eaten up in the transport.

osoab
22nd March 2018, 01:39 PM
I am hearing that previously agreed upon contracts are not going to be honored for steel products for projects. The raw material increase was too much of a hit.

Horn
22nd March 2018, 01:45 PM
Spread to any and all industrial type metals?

Harken back to early 2003-5s and copper price. I remember a slew of electricians being sunk completely by existing contracts.

Ofcourse most were already millionaires at that point so they just drank themselves to death.

brosil
23rd March 2018, 04:35 AM
here's another example of what the anti-tariff tribe in nyc thinks. anti-tariffers -- how's that goldman jizz taste? ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

The War of 1812 (1812–1815) was a conflict fought between the United States, the United Kingdom, and their respective allies

In financial matters, the decentralizing ideology of the Republicans meant they wanted the First Bank of the United States to expire in 1811, when its 20-year charter ran out. Its absence made it much more difficult to handle the financing of the war, and cause special problems in terms of moving money from state to state, since state banks were not allowed to operate across state lines

Federalists in Congress and especially the Federalist-controlled state governments in the Northeast, and the Federalist-aligned financial system in the Northeast, was strongly opposed to the war and refused to help in the financing
What Republicans are they talking about?
The Republican party was formed 20 March 1854.