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midnight rambler
29th March 2018, 07:37 AM
Very good video of former ATF technical analyst explaining why only CONgress can ban bumpstocks, why bumpstocks are completely legal (at this time), and why there's no stopping someone from coming up with a way to bumpfire -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kryIJIrD5eQ

steyr_m
29th March 2018, 08:14 PM
I disagree. This is a States issue. Congress doesn't have the authority to ban it,

10th Amendment -- "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

vacuum
29th March 2018, 10:22 PM
If Trump preemptively "bans" it, even if it doesn't hold up in court, then it won't have legs in congress because "its already banned" so new legislation will be pointless. It takes the issue off the table.

madfranks
30th March 2018, 05:08 AM
I disagree. This is a States issue. Congress doesn't have the authority to bad it,

10th Amendment -- "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."Technically you're probably right, but also technically banning bump stocks (and automatic weapons) is infringing on the right to keep and bear arms, but that ship sailed long ago. The point of the video is that the ATF relies on the definitions of weapons as defined by congress to determine whether or not something should be legal or illegal. In this context, only congress can change the definition, not the president.

Horn
30th March 2018, 09:23 AM
If you ban a stock, all you'd end up with is a rifle without a stock in some cases.

Joshua01
30th March 2018, 01:54 PM
AT the end of the day...Give then an inch and they'll take your guns

Dogman
30th March 2018, 02:00 PM
AT the end of the day...Give then an inch and they'll take your guns This fits,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHMBs5yZDEc

Scream all you want, it is happening now !

The younger generations will see it happen, as the world turns and time marches on..

Ether adapt or get squished. (for us old farts in training or beyond, we can not change it)

Sadly..

;D

midnight rambler
30th March 2018, 03:35 PM
Spoken like a true collectivist. lol

Dogman
30th March 2018, 03:43 PM
Real truth, but I understand sum here like the bad = good, good = bad , as long as it fits agendas.

Society is changing, hell I wish I could rewind 50 years or so, much simpler life, shit we pulled was called boys will be boys. now prison time at the very least.

Plus more of them than us, by a huge margin.

Komrad!

steyr_m
30th March 2018, 07:29 PM
AT the end of the day...Give then an inch and they'll take your guns

I agree, but them asking for an inch, never ends.

steyr_m
30th March 2018, 07:31 PM
Real truth, but I understand sum here like the bad = good, good = bad , as long as it fits agendas.

Society is changing, hell I wish I could rewind 50 years or so, much simpler life, shit we pulled was called boys will be boys. now prison time at the very least.

Plus more of them than us, by a huge margin.

Komrad!

Yeah, I say it all the time -- I do not recognise the world I live in anymore.

woodman
30th March 2018, 07:35 PM
This fits,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHMBs5yZDEc

Scream all you want, it is happening now !

The younger generations will see it happen, as the world turns and time marches on..

Ether adapt or get squished. (for us old farts in training or beyond, we can not change it)

Sadly..

;D
You seem so eager to see the collectivists win. ''The times they are a changin'" written by a Jew who very outspokenly admitted that Satan was his master.

Well... I don't have any video to post but all I have to say is "what comes around goes around' every fuckin' time.

Yeah, I'm drinking tonight. Got into some very fine German beer.--H H--

Dogman
30th March 2018, 07:59 PM
You seem so eager to see the collectivists win. ''The times they are a changin'" written by a Jew who very outspokenly admitted that Satan was his master.

Well... I don't have any video to post but all I have to say is "what comes around goes around' every fuckin' time.

Yeah, I'm drinking tonight. Got into some very fine German beer.--H H--

Very far from it, just stating reality!

Funny how personal attacks are fuled by my past, I do not care!
Past is past, this NOW!

Just proves to me, you have nothing, to prove me wrong,!

Have a great weekend!

;D

Cebu_4_2
30th March 2018, 08:43 PM
Very far from it, just stating reality!

Funny how personal attacks are fuled by my past, I do not care!
Past is past, this NOW!

Just proves to me, you have nothing, to prove me wrong,!

Have a great weekend!

;D

Everybody is attacking Charles, Poor boy. Take Note of this utter butter bullshit to try and offend anyone else in a thread. If your react then he will notify the mods to get you banned. He is such a man. Fogman, such a limp example of a human being.

Horn
30th March 2018, 08:45 PM
Times are always changing, but nothing ever changes.

Its like banning bump stocks.