social security cards and the all cap person

[cheka.]

guy at work has one without all caps -- he's about 55. he thinks his mom got it in the 60's. examples:

http://www.gereth.net/blog_irene/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/elvis_social_security_card_1950.jpg

http://thefinancialphysician.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/aasocialsecurity.jpg

the current all cap variety

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/5c/99/c75c99f89ac3ad51929c11b19f149e72.jpg

my card is all caps from at least 35 years ago

so sometime between my coworker's card and my card something changed. anyone know? or care to speculate?

[cheka.]

so to narrow it down -- his card without all caps was issued sometime after 1962 and my card with all caps was issued sometime before 1983 - so about a 20 year window for the change

also, he has since got a new card -- which is in all caps

[cheka.]

LBJ did a bunch of crap to ss - link shows a lot of tinkering, but no mention of the all cap issue

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HXp2NrKbLwUJ:https://www.ssa.gov/history/ssa/lbjleg1.html&num=1&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0

[ziero0]

Very little of what you believe you own actually belongs to you. That includes the name. If it is your name then you get to decide how it is spelled and pronounced.

Another aberration is when the name is spelled last name first, then first name then middle name (or initial). This is the way dead soldiers are shipped home from war.

If you insist upon your own spelling and format they will try to mess with you by your address (a zip code) or by adding Mr (master is a title of nobility).

[cheka.]

Very little of what you believe you own actually belongs to you. That includes the name. If it is your name then you get to decide how it is spelled and pronounced.

Another aberration is when the name is spelled last name first, then first name then middle name (or initial). This is the way dead soldiers are shipped home from war.

If you insist upon your own spelling and format they will try to mess with you by your address (a zip code) or by adding Mr (master is a title of nobility).

are titles of people and titles of possessions (cars, etc) related?

[ziero0]

are titles of people and titles of possessions (cars, etc) related?

As far as I can tell people are not entitled. As soon as you assert any sort of title then the assertion creates a person. Persons hold offices. People don't.

You are responsible for those things that you create. That is why the general aviation business from the '50s and '60s failed. They couldn't get far enough away from the liability of creating things that could kill people. You also create words (libel or slander), actions (bank robbery, child molesting) and are responsible for those acts of your representatives within his delegated authority. As an owner of land you owe three duties:
1) you cannot hurt trespassers
2) you have to inform service people (paper, egg, milk delivery etc) of defects that could hurt them
3) if you invite guests onto your property you have to cure the defects that could injure 'em ("hey, buddy. Could I go ahuntin' on yur land?" "Sure. Go ahead" Later "Ooops, I fell down your ravine and a tree branch conked me hard. Here is the hospital bill.")

I don't have many invited guests. Instead I just tell them I plan on treating them as trespassers but won't call the sheriff.

Besides which there is very little owned property in America. Most people use FRNs and pretend they can buy property with these. Courts generally go along with this fiction until you start actually acting like the owner (i.e., not paying them their rent ... property tax)

In a way this situation reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer starts a job without going through the process of actually being hired. His manager tells him he is not satisfied with his work and plans on terminating him, Kramer says "I don't actually work here" and the manager acknowledges that "that is what makes this (the firing) so hard.

[midnight rambler]

There is no provision in the English language for the full capitalization of proper nouns. So what's the origin of this ALL CAPS NAME found not just on the SS card but on EVERYTHING issued by legal fictions/corporations e.g. the DRIVER LICENSE or STATE ID CARD, any utility bills, tax bills, correspondence from corporate entities, court filings, etc.*?

There is something very interesting regarding this ALL CAPS NAME found in Black's Law Dictionary 5th Edition. It's the definition for conspicuous term or clause.

(from memory without locating my Black's 5th Edition)

CONSPICUOUS TERM OR CLAUSE - A clause or term is conspicuous when it is so written that a reasonable person against whom it is to operate ought to have noticed it. A clause or term is conspicuous when written in boldface, italics, underlined, in contrasting colors, or typed in all capital letters.

Now carefully examine the wording of the first sentence. Words have meanings.

when it is so written
reasonable
person (person = persona/mask, a creation of the state as in legal fiction and in reality legal fictions don't exist, they are strictly a mental construct)
against whom it is to operate (AGAINST, not for, and operate is a commercial term)
ought to have noticed it

Why do you think many TOS are written in ALL CAPS? It's certainly not to make it easier to read.

The above definition was severely watered down in Black's Law Dictionary 6th Edition, and pretty much completely eliminated in Black's Law Dictionary 7th Edition.

You can thank (((the writers))) of the Uniform Commercial Code for this development.

About 24 years ago I got into a conversation with the General Counsel at the HQ of Texas DPS. I was wanting to make an explicit reservation of rights on the signature line of the TEXAS DRIVER LICENSE renewal per UCC 1-207 (now UCC 1-308). It got rejected by a DRIVER LICENSE Clerk (at the very last moment as she was inserting it into the camera for the DL photo - "Oh no, you can't sign like this - it can only be your name on the signature line" [(((they))) taught her well]). A DPS Trooper directed me to the main building on the DPS campus to talk with the DPS General Counsel. He advised me that one could ONLY sign a DRIVER LICENSE application or renewal with one's name "as it appears on one's BIRTH CERTIFICATE" (you know, the document where your mother abandoned you at the Port of Entry and ratted you out). I found this very short exchange to be extremely enlightening - the legal fiction/straw man is created off the BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

*I gather this legal fiction name is because legal fictions cannot deal directly with flesh and blood living souls and can only deal with other legal fictions (the surety).

[midnight rambler]

Worth noting is that while the UCC was written in the late '40s to early '50s it wasn't until 1966 when all 50 states adopted it (the onerous being on the individual states and not the Federal .gov). The late '60s is the time that 'bank cards' (Master Charge now MasterCard and Bank Americard now VISA) came into being.

[midnight rambler]

Oh look - Master Charge came into being in 1966.

https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/about-mastercard/who-we-are/history.html

[ziero0]

CONSPICUOUS TERM OR CLAUSE - A clause or term is conspicuous when it is so written that a reasonable person against whom it is to operate ought to have noticed it. A clause or term is conspicuous when written in boldface, italics, underlined, in contrasting colors, or typed in all capital letters.


term (v.)

"to give a particular name to," 1550s, from term (n.). Related: Termed; terming.


clause (n.)
A clause differs from a phrase in containing both a subject and its predicate, while a phrase is a group of two or more words not containing both these essential elements of a simple sentence. [Century Dictionary]


verb (n.)

late 14c., from Old French verbe "word; word of God; saying; part of speech that expresses action or being" (12c.) and directly from Latin verbum "verb," originally "a word," from PIE root *were- (3) "to speak" (source also of Avestan urvata- "command;" Sanskrit vrata- "command, vow;" Greek rhetor "public speaker," rhetra "agreement, covenant," eirein "to speak, say;" Hittite weriga- "call, summon;" Lithuanian vardas "name;" Gothic waurd, Old English word "word").


noun (n.)

late 14c., from Anglo-French noun "name, noun," from Old French nom, non (Modern French nom), from Latin nomen "name, noun" (from PIE root *no-men- "name"). Old English used name to mean "noun." Related: Nounal.

A term is a verb and a clause is a noun. A noun is a name. The word 'verb' is also a noun but refers to some action or state of being. Now if you happen to be a term, a clause, a verb or a noun you may claim the ALL CAPS name by failure to express 'THAT AIN'T ME'. Your acceptance is when you open the envelope rather than returning it unopened.

[cheka.]

Worth noting is that while the UCC was written in the late '40s to early '50s it wasn't until 1966 when all 50 states adopted it (the onerous being on the individual states and not the Federal .gov). The late '60s is the time that 'bank cards' (Master Charge now MasterCard and Bank Americard now VISA) came into being.

as part of my research i looked at hundreds of older birth certs. the great majority were not in all caps. one notable exception is hawaii. it has been all caps for a long time -- going back at least beyond the birth of president obola. perhaps that played a role in their choosing that state for their story?

not sure about current bc's. could it be possible that the birth cert is written normally -- then the change, or fictional person creation, occurs afterward?

[ziero0]

They system has a rather cavalier attitude toward names. The U.S. went out of business in 1868 yet didn't bother to assume another name. Hawaii and Hawa'ii are two different entities but we might pronounce them the same. Iowa instructed each county to keep two sets of books in 1866, one in specie, the other in paper. Which county you recognize depends upon how you pay your bills. However they send the bills out with one name even though they now recognize two county entities. Each county has the same name.

You have more than one person. Likely when you wake up in the morning you tend to carry x persons over from your previous adventures and by the end of the day you have y persons. You created (y-x) persons each day by your actions, words and representations. Each of these persons don't necessarily go by your name. You accept notice and become a surety for your own persons. Or you ask questions and remain relatively free from this maze.

[monty]

as part of my research i looked at hundreds of older birth certs. the great majority were not in all caps. one notable exception is hawaii. it has been all caps for a long time -- going back at least beyond the birth of president obola. perhaps that played a role in their choosing that state for their story?

not sure about current bc's. could it be possible that the birth cert is written normally -- then the change, or fictional person creation, occurs afterward?

My bith certificate was filled out by hand, pen and ink. My social security card I got in 1956 looked like the picture of Elvis Presley’s card.

[cheka.]

My bith certificate was filled out by hand, pen and ink. My social security card I got in 1956 looked like the picture of Elvis Presley’s card.

re ss -- something happened between you and i. as of yet i've been unable to find the answer. best lead is LBJ years where they made a plethora of changes to ss

on the bc - i've seen hundreds of those - hand written print and hand written cursive. those are great majority not all caps. is yours all caps?

[midnight rambler]

re ss -- something happened between you and i. as of yet i've been unable to find the answer. best lead is LBJ years where they made a plethora of changes to ss

on the bc - i've seen hundreds of those - hand written print and hand written cursive. those are great majority not all caps. is yours all caps?

It all revolves around the UCC. It was slow moving up until adoption in '66 then it picked up speed.

[ziero0]

It all revolves around the UCC. It was slow moving up until adoption in '66 then it picked up speed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_Code

ZIP Codes are a system of postal codes used by the United States Postal Service (USPS) since 1963. The term ZIP is an acronym for Zone Improvement Plan;[1] it was chosen to suggest that the mail travels more efficiently and quickly (zipping along) when senders use the code in the postal address. The basic format consists of five digits. An extended 'ZIP+4' code was introduced in 1983 which includes the five digits of the ZIP Code, followed by a hyphen and four additional digits that reference a more specific location.

ZIP codes are an infringement upon the sovereignty of the several States. Part of a planned invasion that could have begun with Harry S Truman unlawfully extending federal zones into the several States in June of 1948 under questionable circumstances.

There is not one single incident that can be considered 'watershed'. Rather the heat has been brought up slowly.

[midnight rambler]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_Code


ZIP codes are an infringement upon the sovereignty of the several States. Part of a planned invasion that could have begun with Harry S Truman unlawfully extending federal zones into the several States in June of 1948 under questionable circumstances.

There is not one single incident that can be considered 'watershed'. Rather the heat has been brought up slowly.

Sure, but the UCC is the weapon they bludgeon us with.

[ziero0]

Sure, but the UCC is the weapon they bludgeon us with.
When your life revolves around collecting their paper wealth into your estate then you are the one who selected the weapon. The UCC is just a description of the field of battel and rules of engagement. There is nothing of value defined by a paper dollar and the birth certificate doesn't exist until you agree to produce one.

I have had multiple dollars in my account. I have had many autos in my name. I have been the registered owner of many legal descriptions of real property. Why would I want to limit myself to just one birth certificate (and that which the system conjured up is faulty on its' face to boot)?

[cheka.]

what would happen if you declined the naming of your baby at the hospital? saying something like -- i'm taking it home and going to ponder the perfect name for a month. i'll get back to you when i decide on one

i tried to talk some friends into doing it, but they cheesed

[ziero0]

what would happen if you declined the naming of your baby at the hospital?
Consider the name to be camouflage. With camouflage the idea is blend in rather than to stand out.

http://www.theghilliesuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/paintballjacketpantsghilliesuit-1-600x600.jpg