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cheka.
17th May 2018, 02:23 PM
http://www.texaspolicenews.com/default.aspx?act=Newsletter.aspx&category=News+1-2&newsletterid=70637&menugroup=Home

Canton, OH – A suspected sovereign citizen ended up the target of a fur missile after refusing to comply with officers on a traffic stop on Sunday (bodycam video below.)

Ronald Wagner's car was stopped because it had only a homemade license plate on back, according to The Repository.

Homemade license plates are common among sovereign citizens who falsely believe that official license plates are only required if you're engaging in commerce.

The video shows an Ohio Highway Patrol trooper and then three Canton Police Department officers repeatedly pleading with the man to identify himself.

Wagner had claimed that it was not a lawful stop and that a driver’s license and plate are not required for him to drive.

“I’m just traveling as a man right now,” Wagner told the trooper.

The trooper told Wagner that he needed to provide a driver’s license or Social Security number for identification; Wagner refused.

Officers finally confirmed with him that the choice he was making was for them to forcibly remove him, and the man failed to comply.

Sovereign citizens frequently react violently to detentions and arrests, because they view any detention to be unlawful and believe that they can use lethal force to prevent an officer from detaining them.

Canton City Law Director Kristen Bates Aylward said that police believed that Wagner had a concealed carry permit and may be armed.

The officers made the decision to launch a fur missile to help them safely take Wagner into custody.

The K9 latched onto Wagner's arm as officers dragged him out.

The Canton Police Department will be doing a use of force review to determine if the use of the K9 was appropriate.

Wagner was interviewed in his hospital room by The Repository, and showed a sovereign citizen level of misunderstanding the law.

Wagner contends a driver’s license is not required “unless (you are) getting paid to drive (such as) hauling people around and to carry goods.”

“Driver’s license is a commercial term,” Wagner said, according to The Repository. “Driver is a commercial term. We’ve all been duped into thinking that we have to have these driver’s licenses.”

You can see the video of the stop below. The fur missile launch starts just after the 13 minute mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn_CjjK-shI

midnight rambler
17th May 2018, 02:35 PM
Traffic = commerce. Look it up in any dictionary.


Wagner had claimed that it was not a lawful stop and that a driver’s license and plate are not required for him to drive.

'Drive' and 'driver' are commercial terms.

And it's true - one ONLY *needs* a 'license' if one is operating* a business on public property, as in carrying people ('passengers', look up the term 'passenger' in any dictionary) and/or their goods FOR HIRE.

Words have meanings.

This poor fellow could have handled it better. I suspect he didn't have the MSO (original title) for his automobile meaning the state owns it via the CERTIFICATE OF TITLE. I once had a moonlighting DPS Trooper tell me that I had altered the VIN on my automobile because "The VIN on this automobile is not in the system." Duh. (What drew his attention was the professionally made private tag on my automobile while parked in a parking lot.) Of course I held the MSO along with another very powerful document I had the owner of the dealership sign when purchased new.

*operate is yet another commercial term, hence the OPERATOR'S LICENSE

madfranks
17th May 2018, 02:50 PM
Two things. One, while I believe the sovereign citizen logic and arguments are the correct ones, this is an example of state power overriding a man's authority to travel as he pleases. Power and authority are two very different things, as this guy has just learned.

Second, anyone else catch this blatant misconstruing of the events?


Officers finally confirmed with him that the choice he was making was for them to forcibly remove him, and the man failed to comply.

Sovereign citizens frequently react violently to detentions and arrests, because they view any detention to be unlawful and believe that they can use lethal force to prevent an officer from detaining them.

The only ones who reacted violently were the state agents who "forcibly" removed him from his vehicle. Nowhere in that entire article was there any indication that the guy reacted violently, yet that's what gets published. And the ones who actually initiated violence against the man are portrayed as the peace keepers. It's completely backwards!

Bigjon
17th May 2018, 03:41 PM
Take your car back!!!

Print out a DMV Form VTR-275 in Texas first....All other states have a similar DMV facility and process!!

Go to the (Austin, Texas) Parmer Lane facility or the STATE you live in and tell them that you want a complete Title History on your car....give them your clear Title, so they can get all the docs together, on that automobile.
What you will get is a complete Title History on your car, including a copy of the MCO/MSO!! Pay for the 'Certified title history' for $6.75 for each auto or similarly situated for the STATE you are in.

They will give you a packet that has their Gold Seal on it, and the MCO/MSO is at the back of it!!

Get that Authenticated at the Texas SOS office, ($15, use the non-Hague country of Indonesia....no need to do WA, DC's SOS, as the Texas Titles are here in Texas), then do an 'I Accept the Deed' Affidavit on that Certified Copy of Title History, then have a Notary make certified copies of that whole packet, THEN go file one of the Notary copies into the public records office, and have them give you a certified copy of that public record, and keep that in your car!!

You are NOW the true and lawful owner, and the STATE OF TEXAS no longer has ANY security interest in that car!! I don't see how they could write you ANY ticket on that automobile, with you being the sole owner!!

Currently, the STATE OF (ALL STATES) has a security interest in your automobile, thanks to the ignorant dealerships and fraudulent municipalities that mandate what those dealerships do with the Automobile Titles!

Take your Car Title back!!

Bigjon
17th May 2018, 03:46 PM
It's pretty obvious how far down the road to tyranny our police forces and lieyers have taken us.

These asshole cops have no idea what law is and what statutes are.

ziero0
17th May 2018, 04:13 PM
You can be sovereign or you can be citizen. You can't be both.

You might be a midget or you might be tall. You can't be both.

You might be male or you might be female. You can't be ..... Well ... two out of three ain't bad.

osoab
17th May 2018, 04:27 PM
You can be sovereign or you can be citizen. You can't be both.

You might be a midget or you might be tall. You can't be both.

You might be male or you might be female. You can't be ..... Well ... two out of three ain't bad.

Did he claim to be a "sovereign citizen"? I got the impression that the writer of the article used every term to identify the man as a loon. The act of aggression by the "STATE" is being used as a psyop in this piece.

ziero0
17th May 2018, 05:50 PM
I got the impression that the writer of the article used every term to identify the man as a loon.
I wouldn't try to explain the morals of a Christian to a Muslim.

I wouldn't try to convince an LEO that he isn't an armed thug.

If tortured you can say anything you like to stop the torture. However, when you are in court you can recant everything you said previously.

Hitch
17th May 2018, 05:53 PM
You can be sovereign or you can be citizen. You can't be both.

You might be a midget or you might be tall. You can't be both.

You might be male or you might be female. You can't be ..... Well ... two out of three ain't bad.

And...you can't "travel" on roadways you don't own, or help pay for. King's highway, help pay the bill, be free to travel on the land or highway. Paid for tax thugs enforce these rules. History does not change.

ziero0
17th May 2018, 05:58 PM
And...you can't "travel" on roadways you don't own, or help pay for. King's highway, help pay the bill, be free to travel on the land or highway. Paid for tax thugs enforce these rules. History does not change.
Once upon a time payment in gold would extinguish a debt. Eradicate. Gone forever. Those days are long gone.

Now you never pay your bills. You instead discharge them. You don't pay for the roads. The economy does not belong to you.

I have no idea of your age but reflect on this:

If you are younger than 60 you have never paid a bill in your life. I suspect the same statement is true of the 'sovereign citizen' under discussion but I warrant you he likely has a better shot at getting out from under the kings' thumb than you are.

Hitch
17th May 2018, 06:01 PM
Two things. One, while I believe the sovereign citizen logic and arguments are the correct ones, this is an example of state power overriding a man's authority to travel as he pleases. Power and authority are two very different things, as this guy has just learned.!

What I don't understand is the logic behind entitlement, which is what sovereign's feel is their right. If I build a roadway, on private land, what gives them the right to "travel" on it? Travel by foot, on paths, but "travelling" on a cost paid for roadway by vehicle, you should help out a bit.

That's the big picture, imo. Someone built these roadways they feel entitled to travel on, but not help pay for. Why should you or I be forced to foot the bill through taxes? Sovereign's just don't get that others pay for their plight. Good people help them, they don't even realize it, because they are as entitled children they so claim everyone else is.

Hitch
17th May 2018, 06:05 PM
Once upon a time payment in gold would extinguish a debt. Eradicate. Gone forever. Those days are long gone.

Now you never pay your bills. You instead discharge them. You don't pay for the roads. The economy does not belong to you.

I have no idea of your age but reflect on this:

If you are younger than 60 you have never paid a bill in your life. I suspect the same statement is true of the 'sovereign citizen' under discussion but I warrant you he likely has a better shot at getting out from under the kings' thumb than you are.

TRANSLATION: I am an educated sovereign, and I don't have to pay for anything the rest of you taxpayers fund and build.

Anyway, Howdy folks! Been awhile since I've popped my head in here, glad you all are doing well.

ziero0
17th May 2018, 06:17 PM
TRANSLATION: I am an educated sovereign, and I don't have to pay for anything the rest of you taxpayers fund and build.

Does your statement have anything to do with voluntary servitude? Or is your message that 'BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO VOLUNTEER MY LABOR AND RELINQUISH MY RIGHT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY THEN EVERYONE ELSE MUST DO THE SAME?

Bigjon
17th May 2018, 06:29 PM
And...you can't "travel" on roadways you don't own, or help pay for. King's highway, help pay the bill, be free to travel on the land or highway. Paid for tax thugs enforce these rules. History does not change.

Income taxes don't pay for roads.

Gas taxes do, I'll bet you he paid the tax on the gas he's burning.

Cebu_4_2
17th May 2018, 06:33 PM
What I don't understand is the logic behind entitlement, which is what sovereign's feel is their right. If I build a roadway, on private land, what gives them the right to "travel" on it? Travel by foot, on paths, but "travelling" on a cost paid for roadway by vehicle, you should help out a bit.

Once built it is actually public property or state property unless granted by .gov.


That's the big picture, imo. Someone built these roadways they feel entitled to travel on, but not help pay for. Why should you or I be forced to foot the bill through taxes? Sovereign's just don't get that others pay for their plight. Good people help them, they don't even realize it, because they are as entitled children they so claim everyone else is.

People also have a right to not be fukced with by goons just trying to generate income from who they think are lesser human beings.

Welcome back Pete!

Cebu_4_2
17th May 2018, 06:34 PM
Income taxes don't pay for roads.

Gas taxes do, I'll bet you he paid the tax on the gas he's burning.

Unless it's a diesel and he brews his own oil for it... along with moonshine.

Hitch
17th May 2018, 06:35 PM
Does your statement have anything to do with voluntary servitude? Or is your message that 'BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO VOLUNTEER MY LABOR AND RELINQUISH MY RIGHT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY THEN EVERYONE ELSE MUST DO THE SAME?

Shipboard, everyone pulls their weight. If you are getting a free ride, someone else is paying for it. It's really, that simple

Hitch
17th May 2018, 06:37 PM
Income taxes don't pay for roads.

Gas taxes do, I'll bet you he paid the tax on the gas he's burning.

Good point, and I stand corrected.

midnight rambler
17th May 2018, 06:38 PM
Income taxes don't pay for roads.

Gas taxes do, I'll bet you he paid the tax on the gas he's burning.

Tesla, Volt, and Leaf owners pay taxes for roads?? ???

Hitch
17th May 2018, 06:40 PM
Welcome back Pete!

Thank you, I always feel welcome here on this little corner of the internet. Even if my views differ from others. We all join in when we feel like it, such is the freedom of the internet. I just thought I'd pop in on this discussion here. Cheers, to you, as always.

osoab
17th May 2018, 07:02 PM
Anyway, Howdy folks! Been awhile since I've popped my head in here, glad you all are doing well.

Good to see you around. All good on your end?

Hitch
17th May 2018, 07:11 PM
Good to see you around. All good on your end?

All good here, Osoab. All good on my end. Just my 'spidey senses' going overdrive, thinking a big collapse of society is imminent.

This forum doesn't seem to concerned anymore with that.

Cebu_4_2
17th May 2018, 07:24 PM
All good here, Osoab. All good on my end. Just my 'spidey senses' going overdrive, thinking a big collapse of society is imminent.

This forum doesn't seem to concerned anymore with that.

Probably because twitter and FB are blocking all and any news articles not pertaining to pro global government, pro infiltration of immigrants, any legal issues regarding Hillary, McCain etc, the pedofuckers, and the list goes on. In this day and age a lot (a LOT) of people used to get news from the above mentioned places. Now it's all friends and games with butterflies and them damn rainbow donkeys Neuro likes. Just a small thing really but I liked getting info at a one stop without having to surf 20 different news places. They taught me to be lazy, now the lazy stopped so I need to find an extra couple hours to try and figure WTF is going on.

Cebu_4_2
17th May 2018, 07:27 PM
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ziero0
17th May 2018, 07:43 PM
Shipboard, everyone pulls their weight. If you are getting a free ride, someone else is paying for it. It's really, that simple
There are two schools of thought on this. Some people feel they need to work hard in order to feel they accomplished something with their days work. Other people feel they need to work smart in order to accomplish the most possible with their days work.

I think of the first type as two teams playing tug or war. Both teams work very hard but they don't accomplish much because one hard worker counterbalances the other on the opposing team.

With the second type smart is the order of the day. Goal oriented rather than political correctness.

Hitch
17th May 2018, 08:05 PM
With the second type smart is the order of the day. Goal oriented rather than political correctness.

The second type could not exist without the first type though, right? If you can answer THAT question, honestly, you would really earn my respect.

There is no free ride. Either you contribute and produce, or you consume. If you consume because your are the "second" type, you still consume off the backs of others

BrewTech
17th May 2018, 09:16 PM
Thank you, I always feel welcome here on this little corner of the internet. Even if my views differ from others. We all join in when we feel like it, such is the freedom of the internet. I just thought I'd pop in on this discussion here. Cheers, to you, as always.

Hiya! Been a while... :)

ziero0
18th May 2018, 04:31 AM
The second type could not exist without the first type though, right? If you can answer THAT question, honestly, you would really earn my respect. Existence is an entirely separate concept. Thoughts are without form until they are articulated and it is quite easy to get confused once that happens. I'll give you an example

Karl Marx invented communism. He had to have a reason to articulate a system where hard workers could get their fair share. His reason was a perceived notion that the wealth produced was not evenly distributed. This happened in the 1840s. It became a movement. Capitalism didn't happen until the mid 1850s. Capitalism came into existence to combat the concept of communism. One came first then the other. Neither concept really exists except as a generalization to pigeon-hole people into. If you lived in the 1820s you could not be either a communist or a capitalist because neither existed.


There is no free ride. Either you contribute and produce, or you consume. If you consume because your are the "second" type, you still consume off the backs of others Your model is faulty. The idea is not that you are either a contributor or a producer. The idea is you are either an owner or you have no ownership. If you own something you can do with it what you like with the only stipulation that it not be used to injure someone. You might even light a match and destroy it if you feel like it. On the other hand if you don't own something then society is going dictate what you might do with that thing.

[hint ... don't light a match to a FRN publicly ... you don't own it]

The best title to anything is when you have both ownership (title, grant, deed,etc) and possession. This should tell you that while you might have possession of a thing you don't necessarily have ownership of that thing. Possession is easy enough to come by but ownership is what the courts are going to decide [replevin].

Bigjon
18th May 2018, 12:10 PM
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The Public Law and the Private "law"
More mirroring.

Yesterday, I discussed the necessity of nailing down exactly which "United States" is being referred to in every instance and brought attention to the fact that our Territorial servants have defrauded us via the use of deliberate confusions and semantic deceits.

This process of "mirroring" everything is endemic, from the sacred office of the Pope being mirrored by the secular office of Pontiff, and the United States of America, Inc. being passed off as The United States of America (Unincorporated) on down. It therefore comes as no surprise that The United States created by the Colonies back in 1776 has been "mirrored" by the United States exercising powers delegated to it in 1787, and that the Territorial United States and Municipal United States have made merry with the name "United States", too.

This basic principle of the Satanists holds true throughout their system. They label everything and mirror everything, even the law itself.

The Public Law is mirrored by their private law.
Our Sheriffs are peacekeeping officers. Their Sheriffs are law enforcement officers.

These are two different offices, one public, one private, both called "Sheriff".
Yet another similar names deceit.

The vermin attempt to confuse one with the other, and to convince you that you are subject to their private "club" law, which amounts to the "public policies" of a corporation.

Yesterday, we also discussed the Clearfield Doctrine. When an entity exercising our delegated powers debases itself and engages in commercial activity as an incorporated entity, it loses any special governmental powers or sovereign immunity and descends to the nature of any other commercial corporation.

Very clearly what has happened here is that private commercial corporations have been entrusted with governmental functions. They have then hidden behind their government "identity" and used those delegated but still coercive powers to benefit their own bottom lines and protect their own corporate interests at the expense of competitors.

Imagine giving Exxon the ability to act as "the government"?

So how is it possible that you, a free born American, could become liable and subject to the public policies of a foreign corporation merely under hire to provide stipulated governmental services?

By contract --- and in this case, undisclosed and unconscionable contract employing semantic deceit (Are you a US [Territorial] Citizen?) and improper use of the coercive powers of what appears to be government (You have to sign up for Social Security in order to have a [Federal] job....) to feather the nests and extend coercive power to private corporations.

Reclaiming your Trade Name re-establishes your identity as an American eligible to claim back your birthright estate as a living man or woman, and enables you to then lay claim to the derivative NAMES that the vermin have established "for" you in the following forms: JOHN DOE (a public charitable trust), JOHN M. DOE (a public transmitting utility) and JOHN MARK DOE (a constructive foreign grantor trust ESTATE)----and return all them to a permanent domicile on the land and soil of your birth.

This effectively severs the unconscionable contract that they have created for their own benefit and the benefit of their foreign commercial corporation, which is supposed to be providing your States with good faith service, and corrects the falsified public records they have used against you.

Put another way, when you remove your names from their jurisdiction they no longer have a "handle" to seize upon and manipulate you and your assets. Whatever contract there is, is re-written in your favor. It is therefore of the utmost urgency and should be of your utmost concern to "come home" and take care of your own affairs, shed yourselves of these unconscionable presumptions, and stand in your true nature again.

If anyone asks, tell them that you have "retired" from all obligations and duties of Territorial and/or Municipal Citizenship and "returned" to your birthright political status on the land and soil of your native state, without prejudice.

This is equivalent to saying--- "Hey, fella, you can do what you want to do. If you want to subject yourself to the Queen and be plundered for your trouble, that's your business. Leave me to mine. I obey the Public Law, which is sufficient.

Use these forms to correct your status:
http://annavonreitz.com/basicforms.pdf

Neuro
18th May 2018, 12:14 PM
The best title to anything is when you have both ownership (title, grant, deed,etc) and possession. This should tell you that while you might have possession of a thing you don't necessarily have ownership of that thing. Possession is easy enough to come by but ownership is what the courts are going to decide [replevin].

Quite different to Jewish law... if you sit on the donkey and it moves you are the owner... doesn’t apply to Goyim

ziero0
18th May 2018, 12:47 PM
Quite different to Jewish law... if you sit on the donkey and it moves you are the owner... doesn’t apply to Goyim
Never said it did

ziero0
18th May 2018, 12:51 PM
If you want to subject yourself to the Queen and be plundered for your trouble, that's your business. Leave me to mine.


a man cannot be bound to the King, but onely by matter of Record

You may sidestep an issue such as this by merely asking to see the Record.

Bigjon
18th May 2018, 07:52 PM
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The UN Trusteeship

According to this mammoth fraud against the American States and People, we just disappeared one day, like the ships of the Dutch East India company or the Templar Fleet before them, and deserted all our property here in America, leaving it behind in the care of our servants for hire -- the British-controlled Territorial United States.

As such, we were deemed by those same dishonest servants to have "donated" our "abandoned" estates to the good of whomever, and most likely, to ourselves, should we ever "return" from "over the sea".

Of course, we were never informed of our purported absence, nor of our supposed donation of our good names and assets.

As Mark Twain noted when this fraud first started --- rumors of our death have been greatly exaggerated.

In 1976, the traitors responsible for this debacle passed two Acts in the Territorial United States Congress --- the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act and in tandem with it, the International Organizations Immunities Act.

These two Acts together provide for individual still owed their lawful birthright estates to claim them as "Foreign Sovereigns" ---- that is, "foreign" with respect to the Territorial United States, and to otherwise wash the hands of the perpetrators by naming the United Nations as the Trustees responsible for administration of our state laws and assets.

This manipulation (invalid as it is) is the equivalent of taking your money out of one pocket and putting it in the other, as the UN Corporation is owned and operated by the same people and interests as the US Corporation.

So now we are being treated to the spectacle of "UN Commissioners" disguised as County Commissioners arriving on our soil to tell us how to live our lives and how high to jump --- except for one important fact.

We, the supposed "Donors" of the Trust they are administering have also seized claim as the "Beneficiaries" of all the Cestui Que Vies and related State assets and invoked the Doctrine of Merger.

This means that when the (merely presumed to be) Donor of a Trust is also the Beneficiary of a Trust, that Donor has the absolute right to collapse the Trust and receive back all the assets of that Trust. This is called a "reversionary trust interest"--- which we have, and which we have invoked on the public and international record. We have merged the various entities established in our NAMES and returned them to the land and soil of our birth.

Read that--- we have already told the UN to get off our soil and stay off and to prove any legitimate interest granted to them by the foreign Territorial United States Congress acting in Breach of Trust and Commercial Contract.

There is absolutely nothing in the Delegated Powers suggesting that the Territorial United States has now nor ever had any ability to dispose of our assets in any jurisdiction of the law. Therefore, the Territorial United States cannot grant to the UN what was never theirs to grant.

The actual presumed "Donors" have come home and claimed back the entirety of their land and soil as well as their Persons/PERSONS. Kindly inform the United Nations Secretary General and all the new "County Commissioners".

latemetal1
19th May 2018, 05:14 AM
That did not end well, I hope he shoots first next time...

Bigjon
19th May 2018, 05:43 AM
That did not end well, I hope he shoots first next time...

I think the guy is either very stupid or it's a put up job to teach the little people the proper way to bow and scrape to authority.

Bigjon
19th May 2018, 05:58 AM
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Holy Moly-- THIS is The Big One

The Fourth Maxim of Commercial Law is crucial. It establishes the Due Process of Commercial Law by demanding that someone stick their neck out and declare their responsibility for telling the truth to the court by providing an affidavit.

TRUTH IS EXPRESSED IN THE FORM OF AN AFFIDAVIT. (Lev. 5:4-5; Lev. 6:3-5; Lev. 19:11-13: Num. 30:2; Mat. 5:33; James 5: 12).

I have not had much respect for Commercial Law and haven't studied it a whole lot, mostly because I noted years ago that it was broken. It doesn't work the way it should. Specifically, affidavits don't work. The courts ignore them.
Now, almost by accident, I know why and it is so simple, it's stupid.

First, via the "US Citizen" political status fraud, the vermin re-defined us as "decedents" --- that is, people who willingly declined their birthright estate. Next, they "enfranchised" us --- created multiple business entities and public trusts and public utilities named after us -- all that remained on the public record were incorporated entities: JOHN DOE, JOHN M. DOE, and JOHN MARK DOE, and it was these incorporated entities that the courts addressed.

And the "Rest of the Story is......." ---- incorporated entities can't create affidavits. They have no ability to take Oaths, swear to anything, or provide any testimony.

So by enfranchising us, the demons both subjected us to commercial law and rendered us helpless under it.
Quote my new BFF, Magnus....
".....The Undeniable Fact That Artificial Entities (Corporations) Cannot Take Oaths, They Cannot Make Affidavits. See, E.G., In Re Empire Refining Co., 1 F. Supp. 548, 549 (Sd Cal. 1932) ("It Is, Of Course, Conceded That A Corporation Cannot Make An Affidavit In Its Corporate Name. It Is An Inanimate Thing Incapable Of Voicing An Oath"); Moya Enterprises, Inc. V. Harry Anderson Trucking, Inc., 162 Ga. App. 39, 290 S.E.2d 145 (1982); Strand Restaurant Co. V. Parks Engineering Co., 91 A.2d 711 (D.C. 1952); 9a T. Bjur C. Slezak, Fletcher Cyclopedia Of Law Of Private Corporations § 4629 (Perm. Ed. 1992) ("A Document Purporting To Be The Affidavit Of A Corporation Is Void, Since A Corporation Cannot Make A Sworn Statement") - (Footnote Omitted). Rowland V. California Men's Colony • 506 U.S. 194, 203 (1993)."

And he is absolutely correct!

This, at last, is why there has been no remedy and no hearing for the victims of this fraud scheme. Commercial law can't work without an affidavit, and incorporated entities --- public trusts and public transmitting utilities --- can't issue affidavits. End of story.

We were totally boxed in, so that the judge couldn't even hear us. Literally. We had no recourse, and only the "appearance" of justice. They let us talk and run the meter, charged us for their "service"---and left us without any possible relief.

The Bar Association Members --- British Merchant Marine Shipping Clerks -- colluded with the politicians and the banks to set up the Perfect Crime, an ultimate Identity Theft Scheme that rendered the victims voiceless and helpless and without recourse.

It's almost funny when you finally see it--- a real guffaw-worthy sleight of hand, something so preposterous, so obvious, and yet --- unless you had cause to think about both the identity theft and this particular bit of commercial law, you'd never put it together.

So, everyone ever issued a BIRTH CERTIFICATE has been trafficked, impersonated, and defrauded. Every such PERSON ever addressed by one of these COURTS has suffered barratry and been subjected to a foreign jurisdiction and form of law, within which they were specifically disabled and unable to defend themselves.

No more filthy, repugnant, criminal scheme, nothing more unjust, despicable, cynical ---- and in the end, cowardly, can be imagined. They attacked little babies in their cradles and used a petty, pathetic scheme like this to steal them blind and enslave them for life.

Even I am stunned.

But there it is, and there you have it.

We have come full circle at last.

In the end, this is all that anyone needs to know -- what they did and how they did it. That, and the realization of how many million--- nay, billions--- of innocent people have suffered because of it.

Bigjon
19th May 2018, 10:53 AM
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Follow-Up on Affidavits

Yesterday, I reported on exactly how these cretins endeavored to render us helpless and voiceless --- first by unlawfully converting our life estate into public estate trusts -- and then, as no incorporated entity can make an affidavit, disabling us in the realm of commercial law.

Overnight there has been a flurry of inquiries --- help, help, how can we deal with this?

Re-convert your estates. Do what I have been thumping on everyone to do. Re-Convey your Trade Name to the land and soil of your native state.

Here is a SHORT list of advantages.

1.You step outside the box they've put you in and reappear as their Employer, owed good faith service, and all the guarantees of the Constitution(s).

2.The "United States" you are owed can no longer be "presumed" to be the Territorial United States and must be interpreted as the actual United States.

3. You can no longer be presumed to be subject to statutory law.

4. So long as you object, you can no longer be presumed to be subject to licensing, property taxes, federal income taxes, etc.

5. Instead of being "interpreted" as a bankrupt debtor, you have to be interpreted as the Priority Creditor.

6. Your Good Name and assets have to be held out of the "general bankruptcy" and pushed to the head of the receiving line of creditors.

7. You become eligible to receive back your estate free and clear of debt or encumbrance, including your land set free of mortgages.

8. You have control of your affairs, including your bank accounts, the pensions you are owed, and all the other assets public and private that you are owed.

9. Instead of being able to pillage and plunder your ESTATE, the vermin are obligated to protect you and come to your aid.

10. You become eligible to receive back income from public lease of state property and escrows set up in your NAME(S).

11. You have to be interpreted by the commercial courts as the operator of a VESSEL engaged in private international trade --- and as such, you are enabled to give an affidavit and it must be heard.

12. You are enabled to sue in your own interest absent any middleman acting as public administrator of your ESTATE.

13. You will not be considered chattel owned by foreign creditors of the Territorial United States.
There are still mountains to climb and irritations to be borne. You will have to re-educate your Public Servants. You will have to kick many Shipping Clerks out of the way. Most importantly, you will need to join your State Jural Assembly and consider serving --- as I already am --- in one of the many vacated public offices.

You will have to re-educate yourself, because those who benefited from this Evil System failed to do the job for you. Most of what you have been taught about your history and your government and how things work in general is pure poppycock. Much of what you assume to be true is not as it seems and in many instances, diametrically the opposite of what you suppose to be true.

The Three Branches of the Federal Government are National, Territorial, and Municipal --- not Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.

And that's just a start.

Bigjon
19th May 2018, 10:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB7XIct3n4k



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB7XIct3n4k

Bigjon
20th May 2018, 08:44 AM
excerpt from Sui Juris (http://www.nfpcar.org/Archive/Sui_Juris/SUI_JURIS_OL.pdf)

When you walk into a courtroom, and a judge strips you of your Inherent Rights, he does not inform you that he is doing this. He allows you to be deceived into thinking that he is actually upholding the oath he took to protect your rights in that courtroom.

He is, without you realizing it, bringing you into a foreign jurisdiction, which is the same as stepping into another country, and it is Treason for the courts to do this.

We have, over the past century, allowed others to do our thinking for us, without adequate Citizen oversight of government activities. We have allowed the bar association judges and attorneys to control all three branches of government. In fact there are NO branches now, they are called"departments". The Bar has created a protection operation in their own interest and accruing interest- as in, money off of - their global manipulations.

We have collectively trusted our public servants and assumed that the courts in America were constitutional, as they give lip service to an oath. We have learned that insidiously, our rights have been undermined in the courts, as more and more Citizens are being stripped and their Families, destroyed without Due Process of Law.

When a person begins to understand that Constitutionally "all authority is inherent in the People" and that all are equal before the Law, the facade becomes apparent in the courtroom setting. When the Citizen confronts another human on the same level, there is no control and intimidation, only a determined Citizen insisting on what is Lawfully his from a public servant who is supposed to be protecting him, and instead is his attacker.

Once the fear is gone, you see that it is a theatre going on - actors in scripted parts, using trained methods. Often everyone in the courtroom know each other and work for the state except you. It is exactly like the Wizard of Oz when the curtain is pulled back revealing the "great Oz" is nothing more than a putrid, pitiful, scheming old man putting you in harms way and exposed for the fraud that he is.

Horn
20th May 2018, 08:54 AM
Shipboard, everyone pulls their weight. If you are getting a free ride, someone else is paying for it. It's really, that simple

That is if the ship is still seaworthy.