PDA

View Full Version : Trump says Kim summit might be delayed or not happen AT ALL



Cebu_4_2
22nd May 2018, 01:02 PM
Providing assurances to Kim, Trump said that the deal he intends to make with North Korea would keep the dictator in power. He said that Kim wouldn't be ousted like Libya's Muammar Gaddafi was after he voluntarily dismantled his nuclear program in order to normalize relations with the U.S.


Trump says Kim summit might be delayed or not happen AT ALL as he meets South Korea's president in wake of North's threat to cancel talks

Trump is considering backing out the summit over the increasing likelihood that scheduled talks will turn into an embarrassment for him
Kim Jong-un is demanding concessions and threatening not to go to Singapore on June 12 for planned talks
Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin told DailyMail.com on Monday morning that for now the summit is still on
'I don't think the president gets cold feet about anything,' Mnuchin said


President Trump hedged his bets Tuesday on the likelihood that his Kim summit would move forward telling reporters as he greeted the South Korean president, 'We'll soon know.'

Trump in the Oval Office told journalists asking about the June 12 summit minutes later, 'We’re moving along. We’ll see what happens. There are certain conditions we want to happen. I think we'll get those conditions.
He added, 'And if we don't, we won't have the meeting.'

'If it doesn’t happen, maybe it will happen later,' Trump said. 'Maybe it will happen at a different time.'
The U.S. president also said, 'There's a very substantial chance that it won't work out, and that's OK.'

South Korea's Moon Jae-in and Trump are meeting today at the White House for a round of talks that will almost certainly define the position of the U.S. president on the future of the sit-down he planned to have with Kim in Singapore next month.

The New York Times reported Sunday that Trump was considering backing out of the face-to-face talks that could turn into an embarrassment for him.
Trump is said to have surveyed aides the optics of Kim's own threats to cancel the June 12 meeting with Moon in a weekend phone call.

Chung Eui-yong, national security adviser to Moon, told reporters en route to Washington that he was not only on the call 'no such thing happened' and he is '99.9 percent' sure the meeting in Singapore will move forward.

'We have perceived none of that,' Chung said of reported nervousness on the part of the U.S.
Trump said Tuesday for the first time that the summit could happen, just at a later date. 'It may not work out for June 12,' he said.
He said that he doesn't 'want to waste a lot of time' on talks and suspects that Kim doesn't either.

'I do think he's serious. I think he would like to see that happen,' Trump said of Kim. 'I think he's absolutely very serious, yes.'
The U.S. president also said he suspects that Kim's surprise visit to Beijing in early May prompted the North Korean dictator to play chicken.
Trump said his trip to Beijing last year was 'two of the great days of my life.'

'I don't think anybody's ever been treated better in China in their history.'

But he said his counterpart in China, Xi Jinping, 'I think that President Xi is a world-class poker player.'
'I think there was a little change in attitude from Kim Jong-un. So I don't like that,' he said. 'I can't say that I'm happy about it,' he said of the unexpected talks between Xi and Kim

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin also told DailyMail.com on Monday morning that for now the summit is still on.
'I don't think the president gets cold feet about anything, so I think as the president has said, right now it's still on, if that changes, you'll find out about it,' he said in response to reports that Trump is the one who could back down.

Chung meanwhile told South Korean press, 'I listened in on the telephone conversation between the two heads of state, and no such thing happened.'

In an interview on Monday that aired in full during Fox New's 'The Story with Martha McCallum,' Vice President Mike Pence said, 'The president remains open to a summit taking place, and we’ll continue to pursue that path even while we stand strong on the objective of denuclearization and extreme pressure campaign that’s underway today.'

'We offered concessions to the North Korean regime in exchange for promises to end their nuclear weapons program, only to see them break those promises and abandon them,' Pence asserted. 'It would be a great mistake for Kim Jong-un to think he could play Donald Trump.'

Kim has been taunting the U.S. since last week over annual military exercises on the Korean Peninsula that are conducted in conjunction with South Korea. The joint exercises were a condition of talks, however the North is now using them as a cudgel.

The isolated regime also took issue with past statements that Trump's new national security adviser, John Bolton, about denuclearization, leading the U.S. president to provide assurances last week that Kim would not be ousted if he abandons his nuclear weapons program.

Trump told reporters on Wednesday as the news made its way to the White House that North Korea had not notified the United States of an intent to call off the summit nor had it iterated the demands that appeared in state-run media directly to the administration.
Asked if the summit would move forward, he said, 'We'll have to see.'

The president said then that he would not budge on denuclearization of the peninsula.
'If the meeting happens, it happens and if it doesn't we go onto the next step,' he said Thursday. 'Our people are literally dealing with them right now in terms of making arrangements.'

Trump will on Tuesday host Moon at the White House for talks in advance of the summit. The two spoke on the phone over the weekend, as well. The president is said to have pressed Moon in the call on North Korea's comments in public that the summit may not happen and Pyongyang's commitments privately that Kim will attend the summit in Singapore.

Asked Thursday if Kim is now the one in the driver's seat on the summit, Trump's spokeswoman said he's certainly not.

'Nothing could be further from the truth,' Sarah Huckabee Sanders said. 'But they’re the ones that extended the invitation; we’ve accepted it. If they want to meet, we’re happy to do that. If they don’t, as the President has said, we’ll see what happens. But we’re going to continue the maximum pressure campaign in the meantime.'

President Trump said Thursday that 'nothing has changed' in terms of a summit.
If the meeting doesn't get cancelled, he said, 'I think that we'll probably have a very successful meeting.'
'My attitude is whatever happens happens,' Trump said. 'Deals, that's what I do, deals...He absolutely wanted to do it.'

Trump observed that Kim, perhaps, 'spoke with China and changed his mind. The president admitted that Kim's visit to Beijing last week on Tuesday was 'a little bit of a surprise' to the Trump administration.

But he said of the games playing, 'I want to give everybody the benefit of a doubt.'

In her only on-camera briefing with press since North Korea made the threats, Sanders said, 'If the North Koreans want to meet, we’ll be there. And at this point, there is not a lot of change beyond that, and certainly not in our process.'

She told a reporter who asked 'what game' North Korea is at, 'You’d have to ask North Korea what game they’re playing. I can tell you what we’re doing, and we’re continuing to move forward in preparations.'

The White House has publicly remained optimistic that a sit-down will take place between President Trump and Kim, despite a flare-up in hostilities. If doesn't, the U.S. says it will keep its choke hold on North Korea's economy.

North Korea first said that it objected to joint military exercises the U.S. and South Korea were conducting, warning that it would not sit idly by while the countries rehearsed their invasion.

US and South Korea's joint air exercise despite thaw in relations

It then blasted the U.S. for what it called a 'hostile policy, nuclear threats and blackmail' and went after the Trump National Security Advisor John Bolton in a second statement threatening to call off the talks between Trump and Kim.

The deputy foreign affairs minister rejected the United States' terms of nuclear abandonment, shunning the 'complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization' of the Korean Penninsula and the 'total decommissioning of nuclear weapons, missiles, biochemical weapons.

He explicitly took issue with the U.S. position of 'abandoning nuclear weapons first, compensating afterwards' saying the proposed terms are 'essentially a manifestation of awfully sinister move to impose on our dignified state the destiny of Libya or Iraq which had been collapsed due to yielding the whole of their countries to big powers.'


Trump said he was willing to go 'onto the next step' if Kim backs away from the summit. He also said he was willing to guarantee that Kim would stay in power if he agrees to give up his nuclear ambitions.

'I'm willing to do a lot... He'll have protections,' Trump said. 'The best thing he could do is make a deal.'

Providing assurances to Kim, Trump said that the deal he intends to make with North Korea would keep the dictator in power. He said that Kim wouldn't be ousted like Libya's Muammar Gaddafi was after he voluntarily dismantled his nuclear program in order to normalize relations with the U.S.

'In Libya that deal was decimated. There was no deal to keep Gaddafi,' he said. 'The Libyan model was a much different model. We decimated that country. We never said to Gaddafi, "Oh, we're going to give you protection. We're going to give you military strength. We're going to give you all of these things." We went in and decimated him, and we did the same thing with Iraq.'

With Kim it would be 'something where he'd be there, he'd be running his country. His country would be very rich,' Trump said.
'If we make a deal, I think Kim Jong-un will be very, very happy,' he said.

Horn
22nd May 2018, 03:09 PM
Did u see Bigjon's post where Trump-n-Netanyahu blew it with disregarding Iran's deal?

Cebu_4_2
22nd May 2018, 05:55 PM
Did u see Bigjon's post where Trump-n-Netanyahu blew it with disregarding Iran's deal?

Link it.

cheka.
22nd May 2018, 07:35 PM
let me repeat what i've been saying for years and years

noko = nogo

stop falling for it. same shit over and over

if you like globalist warming and pancake theory, you'll love threats/war with north korea

Cebu_4_2
22nd May 2018, 07:39 PM
let me repeat what i've been saying for years and years

noko = nogo

stop falling for it. same shit over and over

if you like globalist warming and pancake theory, you'll love threats/war with north korea

But this time it is different.

Horn
22nd May 2018, 09:03 PM
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?98718-Jim-Stone-QUESTION-Is-Kim-Jong-stupid

vacuum
22nd May 2018, 09:56 PM
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?98718-Jim-Stone-QUESTION-Is-Kim-Jong-stupid

I think backing out of the Iran deal has the opposite effect.

With the Iran deal, North Korea would have expected a sweetheart deal loosely based on the precedent of the Iran deal, ie, something that didn't really have teeth and would expire and they could eventually continue on with their nuclear program.

By terminating the Iran deal, Trump has shown that he will only accept an actual denuclearization deal, and there's no use trying to game it.

cheka.
22nd May 2018, 09:58 PM
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?98718-Jim-Stone-QUESTION-Is-Kim-Jong-stupid

dont stop there

go back to the launch of this place and post the old crusty nk hype :cool:

midnight rambler
22nd May 2018, 10:36 PM
Chump is doing everything to look like the giant Zionist dick he is.

Stop Making Cents
23rd May 2018, 06:11 AM
It's called lowering expectations and the threat of walking away from a deal strengthens Trump's hand.

Horn
23rd May 2018, 07:38 AM
or MSM is playin it up like U.S. still has some sort of ball in play.

the market is too fragile currently to handle news of any outcome.

the excuse soon will be like china's, any news is not good news and must be censored.

SilverTop
23rd May 2018, 06:46 PM
I think Trump was really invested in this deal. He just didn't give any credit to Lil Kim who has twice the education hehas. Oh and this, how big can your ego get?

Not anti Trump but he has sold out to the Zio's and that alone makes him a fool in my eyes.
===

Trump-Kim summit: Commemorative coin sparks ridicule.

9843

A commemorative coin issued by the White House ahead of the planned summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has been widely criticised.

The coin describes the summit as "peace talks" and depicts a square-jawed Mr Trump sternly facing his North Korean counterpart.

Many on social media pointed out that the meeting may not even take place.

The White House said issuing such a coin was "common practice".

Regional expert Prof Robert E Kelly, of Busan University in South Korea, took to Twitter to describe the coin as "gross".

"Whose personality cult exactly is this summit legitimising? This is un-American," he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44217116

Cebu_4_2
23rd May 2018, 06:57 PM
Ahhh 6D chess my friend, you watch.

Cebu_4_2
24th May 2018, 01:31 PM
White House pulls out of summit with North Korea's Kim Jong Un
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/24/white-house-pulls-out-summit-with-north-koreas-kim-jong-un.html

Cebu_4_2
24th May 2018, 05:47 PM
North Korea pleads with Trump to reconsider 'extremely regrettable' cancellation of summit and releases dramatic photographs of nuclear site demolition after the Pentagon warns 'we are ready to fight tonight'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5769371/N-Korea-says-open-talks-US.html?ito=social-facebook



North Korea reacts for the first time to Trump's cancellation of summit with Kim
Pyongyang also carried out a series of explosions at a nuclear test site
Demolition of Punggye-ri test site witnessed by group of foreign journalists
The extent of destruction of the underground facility has not been confirmed


PUBLISHED: 19:01 EDT, 24 May 2018 | UPDATED: 19:30 EDT, 24 May 2018

North Korea released fresh images of what it says was the demolition of a nuclear test site on the same day it expressed regret over President Donald Trump's decision to cancel a June 12 summit with ruler Kim Jong-un.

North Korea on Friday said it was still willing to talk to the United States after President Donald Trump cancelled a summit between the two countries, a decision Pyongyang described as 'extremely regrettable'.

'The abrupt announcement of the cancellation of the meeting is unexpected for us and we cannot but find it extremely regrettable,' Kim Kye Gwan, North Korea's First Vice Foreign Minister, said in a statement carried by the state-run KCNA news agency.

'We again state to the US our willingness to sit face-to-face at any time in any form to resolve the problem,' Kim added.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C9AA41700000578-5769371-image-a-33_1527203903575.jpg
+18
The second tunnel and an observatory of Punggye-ri nuclear test ground is blown up during the dismantlement process in Punggye-ri

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C9AB4AE00000578-5769371-image-a-34_1527203912522.jpg
+18
A photo taken on May 24, 2018 shows the entrance to a nuclear test tunnel at North Korea's Punggye-ri test facility prior to its demolition

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C9AB4B600000578-5769371-image-a-35_1527203915672.jpg
+1
A photo taken on May 24, 2018 shows a general view of a dust cloud surrounding the area near the entrance to a tunnel at North Korea's Punggye-ri nuclear test facility

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C9AB4B200000578-5769371-image-a-36_1527203920692.jpg
+18
The above photo shows the entrance to a nuclear test tunnel at North Korea's Punggye-ri test facility

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C9AB51E00000578-5769371-image-a-37_1527203924293.jpg
+18
It is not known to what extent the northeastern Punggye-ri facility has been demolished, but foreign journalists invited to witness the destruction described a series of 'huge explosions'

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C9AB52F00000578-5769371-image-a-38_1527203927348.jpg
+18
The explosions at the nuclear test site deep in the mountains of the North's sparsely populated northeast were reportedly centered on three tunnels into the underground site and a number of observation towers in the surrounding area
+18


+18
Rocks cover the entrance of a second tunnel at the Punggye-ri nuclear test ground


+18
Punggye-ri has been the staging ground for all six of the North's nuclear tests, including its latest and by far most powerful one in September last year, which Pyongyang said was an H-bomb


+18
North Korean soldiers close the gate of the third tunnel of Punggye-ri nuclear test ground before it is blown up


+18
Experts are divided over whether the demolition will render the site useless

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/24/11/4C9586D300000578-5766211-image-a-38_1527159511961.jpg
+18
Blown up: This satellite image from yesterday shows the Punggye-ri test site in North Korea, which has now reportedly been demolished

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C96911600000578-5769371-The_tunnel_complex_below_Mount_Mantapsan_is_believ ed_to_be_based-a-47_1527204561733.jpg
+18
The tunnel complex below Mount Mantapsan is believed to be based on old Soviet and American designs and is used for North Korea's nuclear tests. After the latest and most powerful test, in September last year, the mountain shifted - leading to speculation that part of the complex collapsed and rendered in unusable
VIDEO
North Korea conducts nuclear test

President Donald Trump on Thursday called off his planned June summit with Kim Jong Un, blaming 'open hostility' from the North Korean regime and warning Pyongyang against committing any 'foolish or reckless acts'.

In a letter to Kim, Trump announced he would not go ahead with the high-stakes meeting set for June 12 in Singapore, following what the White House called a 'trail of broken promises' by the North.

In his Friday statement, First Vice Foreign Minister Kim said the North Korean leader had been preparing for the summit to go ahead.
'Our Chairman (Kim Jong-un) had also said a meeting with President Trump would create a good beginning and had been putting effort into preparations for it,' Kim said.

Just before Trump announced the cancellation of the talks, North Korea declared it had 'completely' dismantled its nuclear test site, in a carefully choreographed move portrayed as a goodwill gesture ahead of the summit.
+18
President Donald Trump said Thursday at the White House that a nuclear summit with North Korea's dictator, which he had canceled hours earlier, might still take place – but he warned Kim Jong-un that America's military might stands ready to keep him in check


+18
Kim was to meet with Trump on June 12 in Singapore but Trump called off the meeting in a strongly worded letter after a North Korean official hurled insults at Vice President Mike Pence

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/24/15/4C96E62400000578-5767219-image-a-36_1527172812764.jpg
+18
'You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never be used,' Trump wrote to Kim

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/25/00/4C99814600000578-5769371-image-a-46_1527204523060.jpg
+18
It is not known to what extent the northeastern Punggye-ri facility has been demolished, but foreign journalists invited to witness the destruction described a series of 'huge explosions'.

The explosions at the nuclear test site deep in the mountains of the North's sparsely populated northeast were reportedly centered on three tunnels into the underground site and a number of observation towers in the surrounding area.

'There was a huge explosion, you could feel it. Dust came at you, the heat came at you. It was extremely loud,' Sky News' Tom Cheshire, who was among the journalists invited, wrote on the British broadcaster's web site.

Punggye-ri has been the staging ground for all six of the North's nuclear tests, including its latest and by far most powerful one in September last year, which Pyongyang said was an H-bomb.

Experts are divided over whether the demolition will render the site useless.

Skeptics say the facility has already outlived its usefulness with six successful nuclear tests in the bag and can be quickly rebuilt if needed.
Jeffrey Lewis, of the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, also told Vice News that North Korea has two further tunnel complexes running into adjacent mountains that are undamaged from previous tests.

North Korea also did not invite any independent observers, raising speculation that it was simply destroying evidence of its nuclear program with the blessing of the United States.
This is also not the first time that North Korea has demolished one of its nuclear facilities without hampering the country's progress in building a nuclear bomb.
+18
A North Korean airport official is seen guiding South Korean journalists upon their arrival at North Korea's Kalma airport in Wonsan yesterday

In 2008, a cooling tower at the Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center was demolished in front of the eyes of the world's media.
The tower was part of the complex that produced polonium used in the country's first nuclear test, and at the time was seen as a symbolic move toward disarmament.

Youngbyon had ceased operating the year before after a series of complex negotiations between North Korea, China and the US.

But it is believed North Korea only closed the site having enriched enough material for several nuclear tests, only to reopen it years later when it needed more.
The country claimed to have restarted the site in 2015, and in 2016 the International Atomic Energy Agency agreed that the plant was probably operational.

The chances of success for the unprecedented face-to-face between Trump and Kim had recently been thrown into doubt.

On Thursday Pyongyang hardened its rhetoric by attacking US Vice President Mike Pence as 'ignorant and stupid'.

That broadside appeared to hit a nerve with Trump, leading to him abruptly pulling out of the talks.

'Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting,' read Trump's letter to Kim, which was dictated word-for-word by the US leader, according to a senior White House official.

Stop Making Cents
24th May 2018, 09:38 PM
North Korea Ready To Talk If White House Will Reconsider
Hotair ^ | 05/24/2018 | John Sexton
Posted on ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2018‎ ‎9‎:‎36‎:‎33‎ ‎PM by SeekAndFind

This morning Ed reported that President Trump had canceled his planned summit with Kim Jong-Un. This afternoon, Trump called the cancelation a “tremendous setback for North Korea” and for the world. But as Allahpundit noted, Trump also left the door open a crack saying, “If and when Kim Jong-un chooses to engage in constructive dialogue and actions, I am waiting.” It turns out Trump didn’t have to wait long. From Bloomberg:
In a statement Friday by state-run KCNA that cited Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye Gwan, North Korea vowed to continue to pursue peace and signaled it would give Washington more time to reconsider talks.
“Our goal and will to do everything for peace and stability of the Korean peninsula and mankind remains unchanged, and we are always willing to give time and opportunity to the US side with a big and open mind,” according to the statement. “We express our intent that there is a willingness to sit at any time, in any way to resolve issues.”
So is there a chance the June 12 meeting could be back on? Not likely according to Bloomberg’s source:
A senior administration official later downplayed the idea that the meeting could be put back on track for June 12. The North Koreans, the official said, have recently stopped cooperating on preparations for the summit. For example, U.S. officials traveled to Singapore last week expecting to meet with North Korean counterparts, but the North Koreans never showed up.
“They stood us up,” the official said at a briefing for reporters conducted on condition of anonymity.
The NY Times story on the cancelation points out that President Trump believes North Korea blew up the meeting on orders from President Xi of China:
Mr. Trump has said he believes North Korea’s tone changed after Mr. Kim met President Xi Jinping in the coastal Chinese city of Dalian in early May. Mr. Trump suggested that Mr. Xi might be using China’s influence over North Korea as leverage in trade negotiations with the United States.
“I think Xi told Kim to slow down,” said Joseph Y. Yun, who was until recently the State Department’s senior diplomat on North Korea. “Also, I think Kim was getting pushback from his own folks, as Trump was.”
Trump has said all along that a resolution of the North Korean problem depended on China. Now it seems China is pulling the leash a bit rather than allowing Trump to get credit for a big foreign policy win. Instead, it seems plausible Xi is looking for something in exchange for his blessing of a denuclearization deal.

Horn
24th May 2018, 10:24 PM
Something went a different direction after Mnuchkin relieved China of tariff.

CBs doing their best to tank, unbalance and cool any emerging markets then reap the sewn is my estimation.

monty
25th May 2018, 07:05 AM
And John Bolton’s orders to Trump.