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Cebu_4_2
24th May 2018, 05:32 PM
Florida school shooting victims' parents move to sue gun maker, seller of firearm used in Parkland massacre


The families of two high school students who died in the tragic Parkland shooting earlier this year are pushing to sue the maker of the gun used in the massacre, accusing manufacturers of being in a “protected class.”

Fred and Jennifer Guttenberg, parents of Jaime, and Max Schachter, father of Alex, filed a lawsuit in Broward Circuit Court Wednesday asking a judge to hold the gun manufacturer of the weapon the school shooter used to murder their children, and 15 others, partially responsible, the Orlando Sun-Sentinel reported (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-reg-florida-school-shooting-smith-wesson-lawsuit-20180523-story.html).

The parents are seeking damages against Sunrise Tactical Supply, where shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, legally purchased his AR-15 weapon, and American Outdoor Brands, which was once known as Smith & Wesson, according to the newspaper.

Both Jaime and Alex (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/parkland-shooting-victims-include-young-students-coach-who-saved-others-in-florida-high-school.html) were 14 years old when they were gunned down at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Valentine’s Day. Jaime had hopes of becoming an occupational therapist one day; Alex was a talented musician who played the trombone and baritone.

“Bottom line, we need to hold people accountable for this gun violence,” Fred said in a Facebook post about the lawsuit.
At a press conference Thursday, Fred argued no one said, “We can be responsible” following the shooting.

“Our legislators won’t do anything about the law. The gun lobby says we shouldn’t do anything about the law. The manufacturers, marketers and sellers of these guns say, ‘It’s not our fault.’ This is the only industry where there is apparently a protected class,” he said, according to WPLG-TV (https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/families-of-parkland-school-shooting-victims-file-complaint-against-gun-manufacturer). “Well, we’re going to change history and break that protection.”

INSIDE FLORIDA GOV. RICK SCOTT'S $500 MILLION ACTION PLAN AFTER PARKLAND SHOOTING (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/23/inside-florida-gov-rick-scotts-500m-action-plan-after-parkland-shooting.html)

The parents want to “hold defendants legally responsible for their complicity in the entirely foreseeable, deadly use of the assault-style weapon that they place on the market,” the lawsuit read, according to the Sun-Sentinel.

But before the parents can continue with their lawsuit, a court must decide if it’s even possible for gun makers to be sued by victims due to a Florida law that prohibits suits against makers, sellers and other related groups if a gun is used in an unlawful manner, the Miami Herald reported (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article211772564.html). As it stands now, the families could be held liable for a flood of legal costs, including attorneys fees and compensation for loss of income if the law is held up, protecting the gun maker and seller from their suit.

“It just tramples American citizens’ Seventh Amendment right to civil jury trial,” Julie Braman Kane, who represents Schachter, told the Miami Herald.

NATIONAL SCHOOL WALKOUT PLANNED BY STUDENTS WORLDWIDE AFTER PARKLAND SHOOTING (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/14/national-school-walkout-planned-by-students-worldwide-after-parkland-shooting.html)
Fred said he understands the risks he’s taking with the suit.

“But you know what? Too many people are dying,” he said. “We’re going to raise a generation of kids who are going to be afraid to go to school. That’s unacceptable. And you know what? We’re going to start the process of fixing that today.”

madfranks
25th May 2018, 06:57 AM
If they win, it sets a very dangerous precedent for the rest of us.

midnight rambler
25th May 2018, 07:44 AM
If they win, it sets a very dangerous precedent for the rest of us.

The move is definitely on by the banksters to shut down ALL things related to guns, this seeking to litigate manufacturers and dealers is just another prong of the attack. Their goal is not to just gut but to entirely wipe out the 'gun industry'.

Hitch
25th May 2018, 07:52 AM
If they win, it sets a very dangerous precedent for the rest of us.

Indeed, a precedent that really has no boundaries for future exploitation, even non gun related deaths. If someone drives a truck over a kid in a deliberate attack, the parents of the kid would be able to sue the auto manufacturer. Why stop with guns? If someone attacks you with a knife, don't sue the attacker....sue Buck Knives, that's there the big money is.

Cebu_4_2
25th May 2018, 10:54 AM
Indeed, a precedent that really has no boundaries for future exploitation, even non gun related deaths. If someone drives a truck over a kid in a deliberate attack, the parents of the kid would be able to sue the auto manufacturer. Why stop with guns? If someone attacks you with a knife, don't sue the attacker....sue Buck Knives, that's there the big money is.

That's why this will go nowhere. If they set a precedent like this there will be no limitations.

madfranks
25th May 2018, 01:56 PM
Indeed, a precedent that really has no boundaries for future exploitation, even non gun related deaths. If someone drives a truck over a kid in a deliberate attack, the parents of the kid would be able to sue the auto manufacturer. Why stop with guns? If someone attacks you with a knife, don't sue the attacker....sue Buck Knives, that's there the big money is.

You're assuming their motive is to stop/reduce deaths. It's not. It's to disarm the people in the last country on earth where you can go freely buy a weapon, a thing which the ruling/government class hates. You've never heard this argument made against automobile manufacturers, or fork/knife manufacturers, and this is the reason why.


That's why this will go nowhere. If they set a precedent like this there will be no limitations.

The only precedent they are concerned about in this regard has to do with firearms, and nothing else. Nobody seriously will ever use this argument against truck manufacturers, I promise you that.

Hitch
25th May 2018, 07:32 PM
You're assuming their motive is to stop/reduce deaths. It's not. It's to disarm the people in the last country on earth where you can go freely buy a weapon, a thing which the ruling/government class hates. You've never heard this argument made against automobile manufacturers, or fork/knife manufacturers, and this is the reason why.

Lawyers are vampires with money as their life blood seeking source. If one, even one case like this, sets a precedent like that...lawyers and greedy entitled victims will eat this up. It will not stop with guns.

Yes, I agree, it's a gun grab for now. But, if this lawsuit actually gets a jury trial and wins, this is more than a gun grab going forward. Every lawyer must be salivating and watching what happens here.

Imo, this is huge. Personally, I think it will fail. No way this gains momentum without affecting huge big business in the gun industry, for starters, than most all big business. If it works for guns, and they grab them all and shut down the gun industry, it will work for knives, then forks and spoons.

A fork can really hurt some one, you know? It can poke an eye out. Forks can be scary. I hope to start up a gofundme page to fund my future law suit. If that what society wants going forward, let's all say fuck it and try to cash in on the madness. (sarcasm here, if you can't tell). Personally, I think our future is completely fucked. There's no common sense in anything going on these days, this particular topic, included.

madfranks
25th May 2018, 08:33 PM
I think it’ll fail too, but it’s still disturbing that the case is being made.