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Ares
4th June 2018, 05:43 AM
Does our country run the risk of a civil war? Is such a horrible event even possible today?

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/2018-06-03_16-08-55.jpg?itok=rm2QVBfC

The answers are “Yes” and “Yes.” Furthermore, a case can be made that we are already in such a civil war.

I received the following via email. The main piece was written by Jack Minzey, a person I was unfamiliar with. His take on this issue seems unique and accurate! According to him, we are already in a Civil War whether we recognize it or not.

Here is the email:

Recently Jack Minzey sent what was to be the final chapter in the long line of books and treatises which he had written. Jack passed away Sunday, 8 April 2018. Professionally, Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. This is the last of his works:

Civil War

How do civil wars happen?

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge. That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There’s a pattern here.

What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win. It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That’s a civil war.

There’s no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

This isn’t dissent. It’s not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they’re the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don’t win, what you want is a dictatorship.

Your very own dictatorship.

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it’s inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can’t scratch his own back without his say so, that’s the civil war.

Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that’s not the system that runs this country. The Democrat’s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He’s a dictator.

But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can’t do anything. He isn’t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has ‘discretion’ to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn’t even have the ‘discretion’ to reverse him. That’s how the game is played That’s how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn’t yet won that particular fight.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren’t even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn’t allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that.

Whether it’s Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can’t serve in if you’re not a member. If you haven’t been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren’t in the club. And Trump isn’t in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren’t in the club with him.

Now we’re seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

That’s not a free country.

It’s not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an ‘insurance policy’ against Trump winning the election. It’s not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It’s not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It’s not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn’t supposed to win did.

Have no doubt, we’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

If the late Mr. Minzey is correct, it is only a matter of time before current conditions turn violent or parts of the country attempt to secede.

The divisions are so pronounced that it is difficult to see how they are solved within the current political framework and consistent with our Constitution.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-03/modern-civil-war-being-fought-without-guns-so-far

Ares: When / if the shooting starts, that will be TWO civil wars that the Democratic party has started.

EE_
4th June 2018, 08:01 AM
Ares: When / if the shooting starts, that will be TWO civil wars that the Democratic party has started.
And this one will not end well for them!

Horn
4th June 2018, 08:25 AM
Have no doubt, we’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

Per the essay's definition, then no.

True power is Not being transferred, likely why taking sides at not recognizing is so easily entered into.

Though the Piper's minions are easily convinced by such preplanned tide turning event messages being sent from true power and dictatorship. They squabble amongst themselves for the scraps left by a hidden longshank.

You could call it a "civil war" (of puppets), excellent for maintaining a dictatorship.

madfranks
4th June 2018, 08:56 AM
What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win. It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That’s a civil war.Ehhh... there's a lot in this article that is accurate, but the conclusion that it means we're in a civil war is IMO not accurate at all. Once the Democrats and Republicans openly start fighting and killing each other, then maybe yes.

ziero0
4th June 2018, 08:59 AM
I am a non-combatant in the War on Poverty

Ares
4th June 2018, 09:07 AM
Ehhh... there's a lot in this article that is accurate, but the conclusion that it means we're in a civil war is IMO not accurate at all. Once the Democrats and Republicans openly start fighting and killing each other, then maybe yes.

I happen to agree with what the article stated. Right now it is a Civil War, but over ideology. Look to history to see what happens when ideologies cannot have a civil discourse. It leads from a war of words to a hot conflict. You have the Democrats actively attempting to remove a sitting president because they lost an election. If they succeed it could go from a war of words to a hot conflict on that act alone.

Horn
4th June 2018, 09:36 AM
You have the Democrats actively attempting to remove a sitting president because they lost an election. If they succeed it could go from a war of words to a hot conflict on that act alone.

If the case for evidence, the U.S. has been in a "civil war" since John Tyler in 1843.

Ares
4th June 2018, 09:59 AM
If the case for evidence, the U.S. has been in a "civil war" since John Tyler in 1843.

Not going to disagree there. The first Martial Law order is still active if I remember correctly.

ziero0
4th June 2018, 10:08 AM
the U.S. has been in a "civil war" since John Tyler in 1843.
The U.S. is a federation of independent body politics (called 'the several States'). The glue that holds these independent States together is called the U.S. constitution. Civil wars happen within body politics. An example of a civil war is the Democrats of Tennessee engaging with the Republicans of Tennessee or the coffee drinkers of Maine engaging with the tea drinkers of Maine.

There is no civil war within a federation. There may be a two day coup or a coup de ta though.

old steel
4th June 2018, 10:30 AM
It's a war alright, a fight for your mind and your soul.

The globalist are out to destroy the USA because that is the thorn in their side, the constitution and freedom.

Remember, there is no such thing as having too much ammo because at some point this war will go hot.