Indian Ocean Regurgitates 12,000 Tons of Trash

[singular_me]

sorry, all in french but images speak by themselves... india mega towns are some of the dirtiest in the world, but its people will learn faster than westerners because we have more means to hide our trash

This was aired on nation wide on all TV channels. Bombay outlawed plastic in the city 2 months ago.

The best is to stop producing plastic of course


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5l59FmKvVs


Dominican Republic too is facing a plastic/debris apocalypse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3z6ugJe9A4

[singular_me]

20 billion tons of trash wander the oceans, transported by stream vortices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xim_J4bRiwQ

[Cebu_4_2]

Good to see the ocean purging some of this disaster.

[osoab]

So, it was Tuesday in Bombay?

Video looks deceiving. Looks like a flood. How much of the junk was from upstream? The use of manual labor to cleanup the mess looks like a photo op stunt.

[singular_me]

it was a bad storm combined with a high tide. Hurricanes too affect the sea motion, right?.

watch the other ones, and you will be able to assume that it is for real


So, it was Tuesday in Bombay?

Video looks deceiving. Looks like a flood. How much of the junk was from upstream? The use of manual labor to cleanup the mess looks like a photo op stunt.

[Neuro]

I wonder how you combine this with your criticism of westerners? Westerners don’t throw their trash in the sea, but somehow we are guilty of the trash they dump in the sea in India and the Dominican Republic. Most certainly the trash that washed up in India will be dumped back into the ocean. What kind of responsibility do you think I or anyone else at this forum have for this situation?

The only good news is that the plastic trash these third world nations dump in the ocean recklessly will within a few years be completely resorbed, despite the propaganda that it takes hundreds of years to break down. But at this time they got back what they threw in.

Essentially there is no plastic in the oceans from western countries, if it isn’t recycled it is burnt, if it isn’t burnt it will go to landfills, all the plastic in oceans are from third world shitholes. What are you going to do about it? Blame us for it? I went this summer to the Adriatic Sea, the North Sea, the Kattegat, the Baltic Sea, and several lakes throughout Europe . I didn’t see any plastic waste at all, what shall I do?

[osoab]

it was a bad storm combined with a high tide. Hurricanes too affect the sea motion, right?.

watch the other ones, and you will be able to assume that it is for real

Assumptions get me in trouble.

[singular_me]

look for the pacific patch... because we do not use a lot of plastic perhaps? Plastic that is not recyclable and ends up into the ocean... ocean streams push debris and trash always in the same swirling directions, that is why we have like 6 GIANT PATCHES of trash floating on the oceans right now. These patches stay far away from the shores, unless there is a mega storm, hurricane or a cyclone.

sorry, the entire planet is guilty.

BURNING PLASTIC... so the smoke is being released into the air... HELPPPPPPP! another ecocide by another name. Maybe why we do not see insects dead on our windshields anymore?

wrong... the west was sending its plastic waste to china... that's a way to HIDE it. Send it to a shit hole country! I look around me every day and I see so much plastic at the consumer level. Me too I am guilty for buying items wrapped in plastic, because it is unavoidable in many instances, although I cut down my plastic by 50% already. Eventually I will figure out a way to be more efficient.

China Has Refused To Recycle The West's Plastics. What Now?
June 28, 2018 npr.org
Some 106 million metric tons — about 45 percent — of the world's plastics set for recycling have been exported to China since reporting to the United Nations Comtrade Database began in 1992.

But in 2017, China passed the National Sword policy banning plastic waste from being imported — for the protection of the environment and people's health — beginning in January 2018.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/06/27/gettyimages-539629756-50_custom-dd9e30daa4b517e9fde7ab327053b2574f5c76d5-s1700-c85.jpg

Neuro you stand no chance, I have been away from this forum because I am investigating everything and preparing myself for a fundraiser next spring to end our deadly world speculation.

This plastic situation is apocalyptic... and not a shit hole country's invention, plastic was created by the so-called rich west.

we are in deep shit, it is no longer about races, and the west is not that smart otherwise we would have replaced plastic with something else 20 years ago. We have to take responsibility,

2). A cumulative total of 8.3 billion METRIC TONS of plastic has been produced as of 2017 (1).
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/6/eaat0131

Look for Great Pacific Garbage Patch


I wonder how you combine this with your criticism of westerners? Westerners don’t throw their trash in the sea, but somehow we are guilty of the trash they dump in the sea in India and the Dominican Republic. Most certainly the trash that washed up in India will be dumped back into the ocean. What kind of responsibility do you think I or anyone else at this forum have for this situation?

The only good news is that the plastic trash these third world nations dump in the ocean recklessly will within a few years be completely resorbed, despite the propaganda that it takes hundreds of years to break down. But at this time they got back what they threw in.

Essentially there is no plastic in the oceans from western countries, if it isn’t recycled it is burnt, if it isn’t burnt it will go to landfills, all the plastic in oceans are from third world shitholes. What are you going to do about it? Blame us for it? I went this summer to the Adriatic Sea, the North Sea, the Kattegat, the Baltic Sea, and several lakes throughout Europe . I didn’t see any plastic waste at all, what shall I do?

[singular_me]

that is why you didnt see anything, all the plastic/debris in the ocean are moved to these patches by the currents

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstrangesounds.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F08%2FGreat-Pacific-Garbage-Patch.png&f=1

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstrangesounds.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F08%2FGreat-Pacific-Garbage-Patch.png&f=1

[Neuro]

Neuro you stand no chance, I have been away from this forum because I am investigating everything and preparing myself for a fundraiser next spring to end our deadly world speculation.


So you are claiming that the West is sending plastic waste to China, and China instead of recycling this good resource of hydrocarbons decides to dump it in the ocean?

It sounds like you are involved in deadly world speculation...

[singular_me]

Not saying that china is dumping everything into the ocean, but plastic enters the oceans, china or not, why would china stop taking our plastic trash if it is so easily recyclable?

Plastic does not break down, so its getting rid of it causes long term pollution, one way or another. Burning plastic is a deception.

my son sent me a video about trash recycling issues becoming a reeeeaaaal problem in france. The footage was showing plastic waste and other debris being buried. How stupid is that?

deadly speculation? well now, if america already sends millions of chickens to china to be slaughtered because it is cheaper, nothing is too wild

who invented plastic in the first place... its production must be stopped and people find ways to go around. simple... who is deadly speculating now?

off Bali, shocking footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArYLGNe-jCA


the crisis was created because plastic is a byproduct of petroleum and there is plenty of it so it is cheap to make.... follow the money. Profit seeking is taking down the planet, no matter how we look at it. It is all real, because plastic is everywhere around us. Our household trash is full of it daily.

I leave you ponder that, but all this plastic breaks down into micro plastics and will end up poisoning everything. Fast fashion is the 2nd polluter , stores like H&M, all the cloths they make are NOT recyclable because they are made of synthetics... day of reckoning is on the horizon.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/t3mv2liurhoc17ksdiuw.jpg


So you are claiming that the West is sending plastic waste to China, and China instead of recycling this good resource of hydrocarbons decides to dump it in the ocean?

It sounds like you are involved in deadly world speculation...

[singular_me]

looks like china s a big winner... but wait the west will soon catch up, now that china said: no thanks

https://i0.wp.com/readersupportednews.org/images/stories/article_imgs15/015101-ocean-waste-020415.jpg

[Neuro]

Plastic breaks down quite quickly in the ocean. Here is a task for you go and find a thirty year old plastic bottle at the nearest beach, don’t come back until you can post a picture of it, as you found it. I promise to send a $100 to your fundraiser...

Btw why the fuck are you doing a fundraiser for? I thought you were going to abandon the monetary system. Instead you are going deep into it. LOL

[singular_me]

this is what i am saying it breaks down in microplastics... you do not read what I am saying

and microplastics are already found in the fish guts, fish that we eat
there also are microplastics in the tab water.

and the worse is yet to come from the fast fashion industry, all these cheap synthetic fabrics, assembled by cheap labor in vietnam or cambodia. Money/profit is taking the planet down

I understand that you have no interest as long as sweden is doing okay.

no, I do not need your bucks :)

Plastic fibres found in tap water around the world, study reveals (guardianuk)

this crisis is not made up, go to supermarket, plastic is everywhere, and people should begin to take it veryyyyy seriously

spreading awareness still needs money these days, but as awareness grows, more and more people will find it self-evident. It will take time. Peter Joseph is doing great, so there an awakening.


Plastic breaks down quite quickly in the ocean. Here is a task for you go and find a thirty year old plastic bottle at the nearest beach, don’t come back until you can post a picture of it, as you found it. I promise to send a $100 to your fundraiser...

Btw why the fuck are you doing a fundraiser for? I thought you were going to abandon the monetary system. Instead you are going deep into it. LOL

[Neuro]

no, I do not need your bucks
So why the fuck are you doing a fundraiser? You know that my challenge was impossible, so you decided that my money, earned from doing nothing but NATURAL healing was not worth the hassle. You posted earlier in the thread that plastics never break down, now you acknowledge that they break down to micro plastics. Krill actually break down microplastics, you will probably claim that this makes it even more dangerous.

However, doesn’t matter, you want white people to be responsible for plastics they don’t dump in the ocean, why is that?

We really can’t dump any less plastics in the ocean. Because we don’t dump any as it is.

[osoab]

Here's Denniger's take. Third world shitholes. You might get one post on his board singular.

It's An 'EMERGENCY'! (https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=234143)

Oh Good Ghod.. (https://nypost.com/2018/09/01/pope-calls-plastics-littering-oceans-an-emergency/)..




VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis wants concrete action to combat the “emergency” of plastics littering seas and oceans.

Francis made the appeal in a message Saturday to galvanize Christians and others to work to save what he hails as the “marvelous,” God-given gift of the “great waters and all they contain.”

He said efforts to fight plastics litter must be waged “as if everything depended on us.”

Riiiight.
By the way, this isn't "evenly distributed" either. 95% of the plastic trash in the oceans source from either Africa or Asia. Only 5% sources from developed western nations -- all of them combined.
But SatanFrancis didn't mention that -- on purpose.

[Neuro]

Here's Denniger's take. Third world shitholes. You might get one post on his board singular.

It's An 'EMERGENCY'! (https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=234143)

Oh Good Ghod.. (https://nypost.com/2018/09/01/pope-calls-plastics-littering-oceans-an-emergency/)..

This is bullshit also as well! There is no plastic not even 5% that is sourced from “developed Western nation”. There is no such practice from any “developed western nation” to dump plastics in the sea. Show any evidence that any developed western nation is dumping plastic in the ocean, it doesn’t exist. None, nada! All of it comes from third world shit holes, 100%.

[Cebu_4_2]

Show any evidence that any developed western nation is dumping plastic in the ocean, it doesn’t exist. None, nada! All of it comes from third world shit holes, 100%.

I did read the west ships tons of plastics and electronic trash to 3rd world cause it's cheaper to bribe politicians and send a boat full than to recycle it.

A couple years ago I was researching how to make diesel oil from heating plastic. It seems to be pretty simple and cheap enough but the problem was to refine it to a certain level was cost prohibitive. If your vehicles can run on what you make it's just fine but with the huge amount of plastics it wont make a dent.
Think moonshine, cheap as fuk but to make it a certain quality is where the issue is. A small distillery startup is over a million bucks around here but you can make that back in 2 years until they pop up everywhere. Just like any new trend.

[singular_me]

are you reading????????????????

.... america and europe SENT their plastic trash to china for decades long and now china has finally said "no thanks"

how about taking personal responsibility instead? How foolish to believe china would do it good?... or wait that was an easy way to shift the problem... plastic is a very long term pollution.

wait and see how the west is now going to manage its waste and I dont think it is going to be pretty. the production of plastic is BAD all over the planet

I am posting this here because I consider the matter DIRE AND URGENT myself

there should be protests to demand to stop ALL plastic consumption at the household level...



Here's Denniger's take. Third world shitholes. You might get one post on his board singular.
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Quote Originally Posted by Neuro View Post
Show any evidence that any developed western nation is dumping plastic in the ocean, it doesn’t exist. None, nada! All of it comes from third world shit holes, 100%.

[Cebu_4_2]

I cook it and make diesel fuel.

[singular_me]

Yes correct, ghana gets a lot of our etrash and people there die like flies trying to get the copper and other metals out of it.

but I saw on FB a video promoting the use of plastic to build roads, which I think is a very good idea. The problem though is the asphalt industry that will go belly up... it will cause a major world crash.

There is no way that we are going to extricate ourselves painlessly from this one


I did read the west ships tons of plastics and electronic trash to 3rd world cause it's cheaper to bribe politicians and send a boat full than to recycle it..

[Cebu_4_2]

Yes correct, ghana gets a lot of our etrash and people there die like flies trying to get the copper and other metals out of it.

but I saw on FB a video promoting the use of plastic to build roads, which I think is a very good idea. The problem though is the asphalt industry that will go belly up... it will cause a major world crash.

There is no way that we are going to extricate ourselves painlessly from this one

If someone can figure out how to melt plastic and mend it into roads be real scientific right?

[singular_me]

microplastics does mean that the plastic is still there.. and sea creatures ingest it and it is even in the tab water now.... I dont call that being out of the woods? Do you?

my fundraiser will not be about the plastic crisis directly.

There is not enough krill to eat all our plastic production nor the synthetic fabrics from fast fashion. Or it would cause an huge ecological imbalance. Krill could handle a part of it, sure... all species evolve in harmony, their numbers I mean. We cannot encourage a massive production of krill without any consequences. This idea that we can do whatever we want with nature is atheistic, and at the origin of our insane plastic production. People who invented plastic should have known better, but there was so much money to make out of it.

I never interfered with your natural healing. You are getting paranoid. :)

Beating the NWO is a matter of self responsibility above all. You can be upset at what I am saying but thats the Truth. Taking care of our own trash instead of paying whatever far away country that has atrocious environmental records wasnt smart to start with. Like many I was misinformed about the issue and we should all regret our lack of awareness instead of falling for the blame game. That is how ((they)) trap us.



So why the fuck are you doing a fundraiser? You know that my challenge was impossible, so you decided that my money, earned from doing nothing but NATURAL healing was not worth the hassle. You posted earlier in the thread that plastics never break down, now you acknowledge that they break down to micro plastics. Krill actually break down microplastics, you will probably claim that this makes it even more dangerous.

However, doesn’t matter, you want white people to be responsible for plastics they don’t dump in the ocean, why is that?

We really can’t dump any less plastics in the ocean. Because we don’t dump any as it is.

[singular_me]

cannot find the FB vid right now

but this one is similar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHWYoDKYnQo

though I dont think the "road building cartel" likes it as there could be less money to make out of it



If someone can figure out how to melt plastic and mend it into roads be real scientific right?

[singular_me]

oooops

Unfortunately, Dawson said, krill were unlikely to provide a solution to the levels of plastics and microplastics polluting the oceans.

A global analysis conducted by US academics last year found that plastic waste was so high as to threaten a “a near permanent contamination of the natural environment”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/12/krill-can-turn-microplastics-into-nanoplastics-study

[Jewboo]

However, doesn’t matter, you want white people to be responsible for plastics they don’t dump in the ocean, why is that?



https://i.smalljoys.me/2018/07/plastic-waste.jpg?resize=648,365

Study Shows That 95% Of Global Plastic Waste Comes From ONLY Ten Asian And African Rivers (https://www.smalljoys.tv/plastic-waste-from-rivers/)

Pay up Whitey!

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

https://i.smalljoys.me/2018/07/plastic-waste.jpg?resize=648,365

Study Shows That 95% Of Global Plastic Waste Comes From ONLY Ten Asian And African Rivers (https://www.smalljoys.tv/plastic-waste-from-rivers/)

Pay up Whitey!

:rolleyes:
Exactly! 10 African and Asian rivers responsible for 95% of the plastic trash! Meanwhile they are running social media campaigns making white people think they are responsible.

[Horn]

I did read the west ships tons of plastics and electronic trash to 3rd world cause it's cheaper to bribe politicians and send a boat full than to recycle it.

When they run out of trees for wood, they'll start using plastics like Italy.

Plastics into concrete has been successful, big oil petro-dollar stifles it there too I'm fairly certain,

[singular_me]

how responsible is it to ship our trash to these countries then???

western countries KNEW this at least 2decades ago... i call this HIDING one's trash.

I do not have any statistics but I think the west has produced the most since capitalism is a wasteful system, 3rd world countries do not have supermarkets nor fast fashion stores at every street corner, let's admit that we all are part of the problem.

the west did ship it because it was CHEAPER. And our politicians shitty... lets call it greed, and to fix that something BIG will have to be given up.

Humans have produced 9.1 BILLION tons of plastic since 1950

it all starts at home, eliminate your plastic trash as much as you can starting today :)

we can say that 3rd nations are dirty but is it a reason to send there all our trash? No logical argument here.

for the record
in 2017, globally we wasted 92 billions of pound in electronics
https://www.theverge.com/2016/6/22/11991440/eri-e-waste-electronics-recycling-nyc-gadget-trash


Exactly! 10 African and Asian rivers responsible for 95% of the plastic trash! Meanwhile they are running social media campaigns making white people think they are responsible.

[singular_me]

yes stifles...trust me, if they had a solution that would allow them to make more money from it than with the structure/market now in place they could do it. The shift would be easy... that is not the case

To fix nature, greed must be abandoned. So we are in an impasse. This is the day of reckoning right in front our very eyes. Fast fashion produces as much pollution as plastic, and it is compounding the problem. Cheap clothing from china, indonesia, cambodia, vietnam, come with a serious price tag.

(there is a reason as why western corporations moved there, shitty regulations)
Little care was paid to Indonesia's water infrastructure when its textile boom began; proper framework for waste disposal was largely neglected. Clothing manufacturers dumped their chemicals into the river, making the Citarum nothing more than a open sewer containing with lead, mercury, arsenic and a host of other toxins.
https://www.ecowatch.com/fast-fashion-is-the-second-dirtiest-industry-in-the-world-next-to-big--1882083445.html



When they run out of trees for wood, they'll start using plastics like Italy.

Plastics into concrete has been successful, big oil petro-dollar stifles it there too I'm fairly certain,

[osoab]

When they run out of trees for wood, they'll start using plastics like Italy.

Plastics into concrete has been successful, big oil petro-dollar stifles it there too I'm fairly certain,

I'm sure that will hold up well with drips from gasoline and diesel engines. Lithium fires would be an exceptional sight.

[singular_me]

beautiful nordic women investigate fast fashion :)

we have been lied all along, with money there cannot be anything cheap because everybody follows the money, then we run into a brick wall


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI-WPATGa24

[osoab]

beautiful nordic women investigate fast fashion :)

we have been lied all along, with money there cannot be anything cheap because everybody follows the money, then we run into a brick wall



You/we assumed they were telling the truth. Don't forget the marketing effort that was required too because it is all "sold" to us through images, music, and paid endorsements. Using the term cheap is relative. You seem like the type that wants everything free with no rewards for labor, effort, and innovation.

[singular_me]

cheap is relative and so is value, hence the market cannot fix itself. Value is subjective and even von Mises said in his later days that value was within us. As if he acknowledged the major flaw in capitalism. the quote is kinda esoteric, I am glad that he said that.

VON MISES: Value is not intrinsic, it is not in things. It is within us; it is the way in which man reacts to the conditions of his environment. Different people and the same people at different times value the same objective facts in a different way. https://fee.org/articles/value/

reward... what reward, what innovation??? the world is utterly broke and polluted... time for a reality check, I am sorry

I posted this video to soften the mood, thinking of you guys... but I think anything exposing slave labor is an eye opener, at some level. Additionally they are cute, arent they? We know that corps finance the opposition, but slave labor is a fact.

The only currency I value is empathy and purpose. I dont believe in "I am more worth than you". Those guys who invented plastic must have been lauded and made a fortune... so you want me to defend that??? Knowledge isnt static. We must remain humble with knowledge and make sure that it is shared evenly, otherwise it creates class/culture wars. This is amazing, we have been doing the same mistakes for centuries, conspiracy or not. And even more so, it really is a cake walk for the NWO because this market indoctrination is what they FRAME us with, and it is very sad that so many do not see it. But I have hopes because there is an awakening, slow but there.

Competition turns the market psychopathic because anything is monetized to death. Examples abound. I just wanted to raise the awareness of a problem that greed will NOT resolve. And most of our world problems have the same origins. Life is not for sale.

however, some more bad news

H&M, a Fashion Giant, Has a Problem: $4.3 Billion in Unsold Clothes | March 27, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/business/hm-clothes-stock-sales.html



You/we assumed they were telling the truth. Don't forget the marketing effort that was required too because it is all "sold" to us through images, music, and paid endorsements. Using the term cheap is relative. You seem like the type that wants everything free with no rewards for labor, effort, and innovation.

[Horn]

I'm sure that will hold up well with drips from gasoline and diesel engines. Lithium fires would be an exceptional sight.

they're doing it in many places already. a top skin is more durable type material. the bulk of the aggregate is reclaimed plastics.

[monty]

they're doing it in many places already. a top skin is more durable type material. the bulk of the aggregate is reclaimed plastics.

The last year I hauled hot asphalt in Nevada (2014) they were using a thin topcoat in place of chip seal on some of the highways. It was nasty stuff to clean out of the trailers if it got cold. Us guys hauling it thought it had plastic in it, but had no knowledge of the actual contents.

[singular_me]

innovation in a world that is being turned into a graveyard? Most of our innovations are regarded as money making machines while disregarding their long term impact on Nature, and because this is not part of our education, we just add to the injury like these contact lenses issue. Money has taught us to put profits before human lives and nature, and now payback time is coming, well it is here!

Call me a communist all you want, I do not care. Just as max igan puts it: how long will take for people to stop fighting among themselves and unite to face the monster of our own making/ignorance? Time to choose: money vs human lives. Many spiritualists have warned us that materialism is an illusion. And I have joined their ranks.

oops it is china's fault?

Flushing Your Contacts Does Terrible Things to Our Land and Oceans
The US sends an estimated 44,000 pounds of contact lenses down the drain every year. Yikes.
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/08/flushing-your-contacts-does-terrible-things-to-our-land-and-oceans/

if we really want FREE ENERGY, then money will have to be let go, thats rather obvious

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/69/55/1955789546-dd76cff9ca6e4a82e7cbd131aca2a4b3.jpg

[Horn]

Nature thinks of man in similar fashion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM