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Notice any awakening?
We've been talking about sheeple at GIM/GSUS for years now. I gotta tell you, I see noticeable evidence that people are waking up. Five years ago, it seemed like 1 in 50 or 100 had a clue. Now it seems like 1 in 5 or 10, at least around these parts. The awareness level is greatly heightening. The politicians still have a stronghold, and there are likely some crisis moments ahead, but I think people are becoming quicker to recognize things for what they are, though they may not yet understand how to stop it, or prepare for it.
I've had many discussions with people who are dropping their partisan allegiance, and they know something is afoul. A close friend (liberal/democrat tendencies) recently mentioned he's lost trust in both sides and now recognizes that the government is squandering his tax money rather than using it to help society as he used to expect. He's starting to think that government perpetuates war. He mentioned he's concerned about his retirement money, and wonders if perhaps there is something to this idea of actually buying "gold rocks". He never would have said any of this five years ago.
Is anybody else noticing the tide turning?
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Most will pay the price by not having the money to get ready.......but all that you really need is a gun and a bullet to take what someone else has........and that's what you call a real survivalist........you can I?, we are only preppers.
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I think the first baby step, even before you've bought your first extra roll of toilet paper or can of soup, is awareness.
People who are less prepared, but are aware, can at least be an asset to those who are prepared, rather than a hindrance. It will be easier to help your loved ones if they are aware and cooperative, rather than resistant and disruptive.
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I couldn't decide whether, or where, to post this G4T spiel- this thread'll do! :) G4T's stuff ranges from interesting to dumb, anyways here's from a couple days ago,
How to Have An Intimate Relationship With A Non-Truther
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8oKtteBDvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8oKtteBDvA
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One needs to look no further for evidence of people getting a clue by comparing Ron Pauls vote totals from 08 to now.
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Originally Posted by
Sparky
We've been talking about sheeple at GIM/GSUS for years now. I gotta tell you, I see noticeable evidence that people are waking up. Five years ago, it seemed like 1 in 50 or 100 had a clue. Now it seems like 1 in 5 or 10, at least around these parts. The awareness level is greatly heightening. The politicians still have a stronghold, and there are likely some crisis moments ahead, but I think people are becoming quicker to recognize things for what they are, though they may not yet understand how to stop it, or prepare for it.
I've had many discussions with people who are dropping their partisan allegiance, and they know something is afoul. A close friend (liberal/democrat tendencies) recently mentioned he's lost trust in both sides and now recognizes that the government is squandering his tax money rather than using it to help society as he used to expect. He's starting to think that government perpetuates war. He mentioned he's concerned about his retirement money, and wonders if perhaps there is something to this idea of actually buying "gold rocks". He never would have said any of this five years ago.
Is anybody else noticing the tide turning?
Yes, I have noticed it. Several friends of friends that, when I met them say 2-3 years ago, were Obama supporters/voters have begun asking me about Ron Paul. A couple others that were on the fence about Paul several years ago now fully support him.
I'm very thankful I listened to hoarder when I've, at times, begun to lose hope. His posts suggesting, "keep planting seeds", is wise advice indeed.
I have been seeing some fruit coming from those seeds planted firmly and steadily over the past several years.
My dad is possibly my biggest convert. From an adamant "911 is not an inside job!" Fox news style conservative, he now wants to know "what did Israel do regarding 911", claims "there is no way the official story explains WTC7!" and pushes other family members to buy gold.
Keep planting seeds folks. It's worth it, even if you can't see the sprouts yet.
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"When 10 percent of the goyim know, the game is over"
That's what they are most afraid of....more so than a revolution. I just keep planting seeds, usually without mentioning the dreaded "J" word. The masses need a foundation of the obvious, which is our duty to point out, before they can connect the dots.
They eventually come to you and acknowledge that the obvious is what it is and will ask you your opinion on other matters.
When the level reaches 10%, they will have to kill us or go on the defensive and back up from their current position.
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hoarder
The masses need a foundation of the obvious, which is our duty to point out, before they can connect the dots.
^^^^ Exactly this. You can attempt to shove our conclusions (the result of years of careful observation and study) down their throat, but without the proper context they will just puke it back up again.
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hoarder
"When 10 percent of the goyim know, the game is over"
That's what they are most afraid of....more so than a revolution. I just keep planting seeds, usually without mentioning the dreaded "J" word. The masses need a foundation of the obvious, which is our duty to point out, before they can connect the dots.
When the level reaches 10%, they will have to kill us or go on the defensive and back up from their current position.
I'm curious...if 10% is the goal, where do you think we're at now? Is 10% the tipping point?
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hoarder
"When 10 percent of the goyim know, the game is over"
That's what they are most afraid of....more so than a revolution. I just keep planting seeds, usually without mentioning the dreaded "J" word. The masses need a foundation of the obvious, which is our duty to point out, before they can connect the dots.
They eventually come to you and acknowledge that the obvious is what it is and will ask you your opinion on other matters.
When the level reaches 10%, they will have to kill us or go on the defensive and back up from their current position.
(I like to modify the original quote)
"Never underestimate the ability of a small group of highly motivated people that want to change the world - in fact, it is the only thing that ever has."
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Sparky
I think the first baby step, even before you've bought your first extra roll of toilet paper or can of soup, is awareness.
People who are less prepared, but are aware, can at least be an asset to those who are prepared, rather than a hindrance. It will be easier to help your loved ones if they are aware and cooperative, rather than resistant and disruptive.
You nailed it. And even before prepping you need a second step; Acceptance.
Awareness, Acceptance, THEN Action.
I made the mistake of jumping from Awareness to Action. I was prepping for every possible scenario. It made me crazy and it made people around me crazy. Then I worked on some acceptance. Accepting that I cannot foresee the future, that the future isn't really my business, that my business is in the here and now. Suddenly my Action appeared to be the irrational, crazy REaction it really was, hell I had no idea if I'd even make it past today. Now when I buy a prep it is something I want and can use today. It may serve me well in the future but it will serve me today. If I buy PMs it works as a protection of purchasing power but it is also something I want to have not feel compelled to have.
Anyway, I 'm rambling and could continue to do so. I just wanted to say Awareness 1st, Acceptance Next then Action (if any).
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In my line of work (natural healing) it usually starts out with people telling me how their doctor is trying to kill them or he's not listening to me,
or he's not helping me, etc.
Then I get in their brain about big pharma, FDA, monsanto, etc and then that can lead into all the other aspects of TPTB taking over .
Lots of people are way more aware now than ever. Occasionally the ones that I try to explain things to who DO NOT listen whatsoever are usually the ones who
work within the system who will not, can not accept anything that I say because it is to painful too hear.
(for example, I've had several nurses , pharm reps, and a doctor or 2 resent my opinions) In real life , not online.
I send massive emails out about Ron Paul. ( I basically SPAM everyone I know with it !!!! )
I put out a note.....if you want removed from my contact list.......
please let me know.....or else you will continue to get
my opinions, articles, etc. No one has stopped me yet ? )
Anyhoo, Everyone can relate to even just one thing and that gets their wheels turning in their brain
and when they get the Aha ! moment, I feel blessed beyond belief !! Anutter one starting to see the light............
and then the questions come. How could you not love waking people up.
So fun in a fcked up way !
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DMac
Keep planting seeds folks. It's worth it, even if you can't see the sprouts yet.
Correct, every beautiful garden started out as a spread of manure with seeds in it.
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Libertytree
I'm curious...if 10% is the goal, where do you think we're at now? Is 10% the tipping point?
The number is not precise because the level of awareness is not clearly defined. Most are capable of some level of awareness and stop there. Our job is to help them reach whatever level they are capable of.
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hoarder
The number is not precise because the level of awareness is not clearly defined. Most are capable of some level of awareness and stop there. Our job is to help them reach whatever level they are capable of.
You know what, if their was ever such as a thing as a "SHTF psychologist" (NOT a regular TPTB psychologist) , Mr Hoarder is apparantly the one to go to !
Cuz when this sheyit is driving u crazy he helps to make more sense of it !
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hoarder
"When 10 percent of the goyim know, the game is over"
That's what they are most afraid of....more so than a revolution. I just keep planting seeds, usually without mentioning the dreaded "J" word. The masses need a foundation of the obvious, which is our duty to point out, before they can connect the dots.
They eventually come to you and acknowledge that the obvious is what it is and will ask you your opinion on other matters.
When the level reaches 10%, they will have to kill us or go on the defensive and back up from their current position.
Here's something to support the 10% tipping point for awareness:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0725190044.htm
I've been planting seeds in the manure for almost a decade now.
I know there is an awakening going on. Just this last weekend, I saw a fellow I used to work with who thought I was on the fringe, and he asked me the best way to own gold. He was thinking of buying shares in a gold ETF. I parroted Ponce's mantra to him--If you don't hold it, you don't own it. That made my day. Pretty soon everybody will be on the fringe--just like me.
Hatha
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I have noticed people waking up, too. It seems that Obama's failures have done more for our side of the fight than anything. So many former Obama supporters have completely lost faith in the two party system, recently. Interestingly, the Republicans I know are the most steadfast in their left/right thinking.
I am hearing "Monsanto" in conversations with my friends . . . who I never expected to consider such things. My family and friends have been getting more and more interested in precious metals and food storage. Several of my friends have started gardens, and one is really interested in aquaculture.
911 is still a taboo subject. I just tell people to look up building 7. It seems like the best place to get a big "WTF?" and spark interest to investigate further.
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Here's a hopeful piece from Strike the Root: (Voluntarism is a form of anarchism)
http://www.strike-the-root.com/crossing-10-rubicon
Crossing the 10% Rubicon
Column by Alex R. Knight III.
posted on January 09, 2012
A very recent article published in Science Daily reveals the findings of a study that has yielded some very positive information for the Voluntaryist movement. In short, that once an ideology or set of beliefs is fervently held by ten percent of any given group or population, it invariably becomes the predominant philosophy throughout the entirety. Any less than this, and things remain more or less static amongst the adherants. Cross the ten percent Rubicon, as it were, and the movement begins to spread hither and yon like wildfire.
Given that the current American population is a rough 312 million persons, this would mean that around 31 million would need to be hardcore zero-government advocates before widespread change becomes feasable. Thirty-two million die-hard anarchists would tip the scales irreversibly. At that point, we’d be cooking with gas. Government would be on the chopping block, awaiting execution.
It would help to know just what percentage of American residents are already Voluntaryists. I don’t know if any reliable studies along these lines have been conducted, but my guess would be that, at very best, we might currently number around one percent. Far more numerous, at present, are the minarchists: Constitutionalists, and other advocates of “limited” government as opposed to none at all. The irony is that the minarchist goal is absolutely unachievable – even given the 10% rule. Should small-scale government ever return to America, it will promptly revert back to what it is now, and worse. Minarchism necessitates that its adherents win every election, indefinitely hold every office, vote correctly on every issue, never make mistakes, never become corrupted, never retire, never die. More likely is it that the Man in the Moon will descend from his lunar home and endow us all with the powers of Superman. It is completely preposterous, and for this reason alone, will never happen.
The elimination of government altogether, however, is entirely possible – and in fact, I will say, inevitable. For it does not rely upon the imposition of violence in order to survive, but rather, only on pre-existing natural forces that are at present suppressed by the inherently aggressive presence of government – and in an absence of which, will flourish.
Take as an example one of the prime elements of libertarian thought, that of private property ownership. It is all well and fine, let’s say, that I own the computer I’m using to write this essay. Probably no one reading this would disagree with that assertion. But what happens if you want proof of my statement? How is it possible for me to provide that? I might be able to show you a sales receipt – assuming I haven’t discarded it – but those can easily be forged or falsified. You might seek out some eyewitnesses or other parties to the sale, but there again the evidence is largely circumstantial if not in fact out-and-out hearsay. You still can’t know to a certainty that I haven’t stolen, or otherwise illegitimately acquired this computer – or at least the temporary use of it. After all, I could be typing this from inside an unoccupied dwelling . . . or one in which I have terminated the occupants.
Before I begin to turn this into some kind of bizarre murder mystery, one point begins to come clear: There really is no way I or you can establish ownership of anything except in one of two ways. Either we extend ownership of personal property to each other by way of mutual consent, or we establish ownership by means of brute force. And it is because of our subconscious or implicit denial of the second means that most of us most of the time opt for the first choice. True, disputes will and do arise from time to time, whereupon we generally, where and when possible, seek non-violent mediation or arbitration of such disagreements. Government provides us only its courts, which are always biased when any case involves that which bureaucrats arrogantly lay claim to, and are only sometimes honest when the dispute in question does not. Either way, courts are financed by taxation, which means extorting money from people by violent force.
As well, there will always be, government or no government, a minority of unscrupulous individuals who will always disregard the sanctity of such unspoken social arrangements as ownership in the name of their own personal gain. Alas, we live in a less than perfect world, or essays such as this would not be necessary. I would only add that there exists a centralized monopoly of thugs who draw their pay from stolen cash who constantly exhibit just such an attitude, and generally act with total impunity. Three guesses as to just what they call themselves, and the first two don’t count. But I’ll even give you a hint: the first letter starts with “G.”
My overarching point here is that a social construct such as ownership of property is already an anarchistic enterprise. It exists in spite of government, and certainly not because of it. In short, if anarchy works in the vast majority of cases in an area as vast and all-important as property ownership, there remains little relevant excuse as to why it can’t work in all other areas of human life.
We Voluntaryists may now only exist in the static numbers I referred to above (though those numbers, thanks in large part to the Internet and alternative media, are larger than ever before and growing), but the mechanism for passing that 10% goalpost is within our grasp, and it’s called The Truth. In other words, we can do this. It will happen.
The only remaining question is: When? That depends on how badly you want it. I’d say it’s time to get busy.
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k-os
I have noticed people waking up, too. It seems that Obama's failures have done more for our side of the fight than anything. So many former Obama supporters have completely lost faith in the two party system, recently. Interestingly, the Republicans I know are the most steadfast in their left/right thinking.
I am hearing "Monsanto" in conversations with my friends . . . who I never expected to consider such things. My family and friends have been getting more and more interested in precious metals and food storage. Several of my friends have started gardens, and one is really interested in aquaculture.
911 is still a taboo subject. I just tell people to look up building 7. It seems like the best place to get a big "WTF?" and spark interest to investigate further.
I always liked using the building 7 arguement when I ran into people that claimed to have expert knowledge of 9/11.
It shut them up every time. That was before most people knew a third building went down.
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EE_
I always liked using the building 7 arguement when I ran into people that claimed to have expert knowledge of 9/11.
It shut them up every time. That was before most people knew a third building went down.
I still don't think most people know a third building went down.
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The new dialectic that everybody seems to be falling for is socialist/libertarian. A lot more people are correctly identifying some of the problems, but too many are misidentifying the solutions.
As far as I can figure out, the dialectic works like this (what they are saying, not what I am saying):
Socialist:
Government solutions are necessary and they work because there is no profit motive to account for. Government solutions mean that workers will be protected and paid a living wage. Government solutions will end the problems of corporate welfare, corporate greed, and corporate malfeasance. Security is the buzzword.
Libertarian:
Government is inefficient and untrustworthy. Remove the government inefficiencies and you solve the problem. Entitlements need to be eliminated and people need to be held accountable. Besides, we can't afford them anymore. Buzzwords: realistic, accountable.
Of course, the real issues are never addressed in this dialectic. The never ending wars, the limited liabilities and all of their accountablity circumvention techniques, usury, the prison industrial complex, the medical industrial complex, legalized bribery in the form of campaign contributions, parasites like banks and insurance companies, etc (many others).
dys
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Hatha Sunahara
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A very recent article published in Science Daily reveals the findings of a study that has yielded some very positive information for the Voluntaryist movement. In short, that once an ideology or set of beliefs is fervently held by ten percent of any given group or population, it invariably becomes the predominant philosophy throughout the entirety. Any less than this, and things remain more or less static amongst the adherants. Cross the ten percent Rubicon, as it were, and the movement begins to spread hither and yon like wildfire.
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Interesting analysis. More support that we are in the early stages of a historic decade.
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Not a lot to say, except that I think people are waking up. I'm seeing it around me.
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I attribute Obama's presidency to a lot of the disillusionment we are seeing today. Our society has been conditioned since WW2 that any sort of financial crisis won't last longer than a few months. Seeing our problems exacerbated under a new president who was supposed to be the savior of the economy has led to people questioning this paradigm and looking for answers to questions they never knew to ask before.
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Recently most all are realizing that the world is run by private interests, not the government.
The common response is to do what's in their own private interest.
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EE_
I always liked using the building 7 arguement when I ran into people that claimed to have expert knowledge of 9/11.
It shut them up every time. That was before most people knew a third building went down.
This is a handy little doohickey, can post to messagboards, will animate in emails etc, just copy/paste:
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Horn
Recently most all are realizing that the world is run by private interests, not the government.
The common response is to do what's in their own private interest.
The common response is more government to stop the evil corporations. They don't realize that .gov is a tool of the private interests they rail about.
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I've had people inquire about ordering guns and ammo online. I have passed out some catalogues I get from some of them and told them places they can order cheap ammo. I've also told them how to go about getting guns shipped to a licensed dealer and paying the transfer fee. All were surprised at how easy it can be. They are also surprised at the lower prices for guns and ammo for the foreign made stuff. All are worried about the economy and the possibilty of having to defend themselves and their family.
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Normally, I see people only awakening to their own troubles. They need to take the next step- putting the pieces together to figure out who is ripping them.
I was looking at ammo in Walmart during a fairly quiet time. The worker came over- young kid.... and we got talking. He never heard of Ron Paul, but when we got thru, he wrote down Ron Paul's name. The commoners are only fed puke food from the lamestream media.
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osoab
The common response is more government to stop the evil corporations. They don't realize that .gov is a tool of the private interests they rail about.
Is like adding more water, too water soup.
the evidence that .gov cannot deliver on anything is all too obvious & plentiful,
When speaking with a redcoat never forget your main ammo source..
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Spectrism
Normally, I see people only awakening to their own troubles. They need to take the next step- putting the pieces together to figure out who is ripping them.
Good point. Before we speak to awaken them, we should listen to their troubles and frame the discusssion in terms of their specific troubles.
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One reason people seem to be waking up now is that it is so blatant it is getting difficult to miss ,unless of course you are in a deep coma.
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The Truth about Ron Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFw1BNDOKkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFw1BNDOKkM
Uploaded by MagicWisard on Jan 2, 2012
The simple truth about our nation.
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My experience is that any type of beneficial awakening begets consequence. Have you ever tried to educate someone on something, and they don't believe it...but you see that flash of fear in their eyes? There is something inside of them that is saying what if he/she is actually right? Awakening to anything important usually has the unfortunate side effect of effecting one's fellowship with other people in a negative way.
dys
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dys
My experience is that any type of beneficial awakening begets consequence. Have you ever tried to educate someone on something, and they don't believe it...but you see that flash of fear in their eyes? There is something inside of them that is saying what if he/she is actually right? Awakening to anything important usually has the unfortunate side effect of effecting one's fellowship with other people in a negative way.
dys
I had one such argument this weekend at a dinner party. Friendly, but nonetheless, a true clash in opposite polarity. A married man, not dumb and a decent person, believes wholly that no one should be allowed to own a firearm.
You can imagine the fire that lights in my eyes when faced with such ignorance. Conversely, there was the edge of fear in his eyes that one of his cherished delusions just might be wrong - and if so, what else has he been wrong about? We didn't belabor the point as to not have politics pushed into the greater conversation, but the seed was planted.
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I know its been mentioned here before, but I am really getting the vibe from people that they know something isn't right. Its too bad most of them are too lackadaisical to do a tiny bit of research and get to the bottom of whats not right. To top that off soon they won't be able to do a simple internet search on government dirt if this sopa bill passes. The number of times recently I've heard " I don't know who to believe anymore" is staggering.
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LastResort
I know its been mentioned here before, but I am really getting the vibe from people that they know something isn't right. Its too bad most of them are too lackadaisical to do a tiny bit of research and get to the bottom of whats not right. To top that off soon they won't be able to do a simple internet search on government dirt if this sopa bill passes. The number of times recently I've heard " I don't know who to believe anymore" is staggering.
Yes. There is a vacuum forming where there were previously iron clad beliefs in most people. But you can bet your bippy that people like us are going to be unable to fill that void. Only those with perceived authority can fill that void, and most of us don't have it.
dys
