When are you gonna get off the Ron Paul Bandwagon?

So I began responding to a post and it took on a life of its own.

I expect some angry responses - but I'm not busting any balls here.
I'm just confused as to why RP garners continous support when he has a history of bailing out early - and looks like he's going to do it again.


OP

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...ion-Shreveport

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Originally Posted by Sui Juris

Found this on the RP 2012 website:

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/06/0...op-convention/



Anyone else see the RP message slowly drifting away from its true core? I smell a RAT.

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I've been smelling one since 2008.

I'd like to believe in hope as much as the next guy but you people need to come to terms w/ what's happening at some point.

I just can't believe that my position is such a small minority among gsus members. There are some really brilliant minds here.

{For the record - Going back to 2008 and GIM days my position has been that voting in federal elections doesn't work. I appreciate the work that RP has done as a congressman and support his political viewpoints and policies for the most part however I have never given one red worthless zinc penny to the RP or any other campaign.

I will not be a chump for TPTB. I will not play their game nor participate in their farce. I am NOT a sucker.
They will cheat or make him quit by threat or kill him outright. I believe that threats did the job - which is disconcerting in and of itself.

HE is not the one to be placed in office as POTUS and certianly won't be "elected".
I don't participate much in RP discussions because I didn't want to constantly beat everyone to death with a counter-productive viewpoint and quash the upswell of hope that was rising. Actually- I hoped, against my better judgement, that you all were right and I was wrong. The reasons why he won't win don't really matter but for me the cause is America's spiritual sickness. The lot was cast long ago and the nation will reap what it has sown.}


This is over in my opinion. It was over before it started. You all were fooled once - so "shame on them" But TWICE?

flame suit on ... so whatever. :-)

I agree with almost everything you wrote above, but I do think most GSUS'ers has realized they were played. And I do think that threats to him re not only him but also his family played a large part in his dropping out... Maybe Bernanke showed him the unedited Zapruder film at the breakfast...

JJ,

I've hoped since 2008 he was true. I've told people the closest thing to a politician I would vote for is Paul.

But, ultimately, I agree with you.

DMac, day 1 GSUS

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I vote that he is compromised.

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Originally Posted by DMac

JJ,

I've hoped since 2008 he was true. I've told people the closest thing to a politician I would vote for is Paul.

But, ultimately, I agree with you.

DMac, day 1 GSUS

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yep...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/im...tican37_29.jpg

Damn...
Well said. It's surprising how much I agree with your post.

He has supported the official standing on the events of 9/11 from day one.

Just saying.

I reckon I'm one of the most ardent RP'ers here or at least amongst the more hopeful anyway but there are things that bothered me in 08 and they still bother me today. Pauls' election was never very likely if not indeed impossible, between the ignorant masses, MSM, Diebold and fraud and what seems like the ineptitude of the campaign it was likely destined to fail from the git go. There's some positives in it though, lots of folks especially young folks now understand a lot more than they did before about issues like money, credit, The Constitution, the Fed Reserve, etc etc and the lies they've been fed all their lives. The other positive thing I see coming out of it is the monster he's created in amassing the delegates and the freedom movement infiltrating roles with the local and state party and .gov's, not to mention the spectacle to behold in Tampa at the Repub convention. RP can't even control the delegates, they have a mind and will of their own and many couldn't give a rats ass less about the R party, only its destruction or complete takeover. IMO this will be THE convention of our lifetime.

In a way though I'm a little relieved that RP won't be POTUS in the coming years, I know that sounds odd but I can just see the blame game that would take place and how he'd be blamed for the collapse.

As for him throttling back the campaign, IDK, it's all supposition and guessing but things changed right after the Bernanke breakfast. I don't think he ever cared about the threats to himself personally but what about his entire family or even an entire town/city? Maybe he was told of the immenent coming collapse and he'd rather be the one to step in at that point and help rather than be the one who takes the fall for it? Your guess is as good as mine.

So what?


Tools have many uses.


Ron Paul is still valuable for some uses, but was never viable as a President, because the shot-callers don't want him there.


I've supported Ron Paul by word of mouth to others, but I'm not a voting man for political reasons. I never thought he would be President, and if the shot-callers allowed him to be President, it would be because they were setting him up to be some kind of patsy/fall guy.


That being said, I've met the man, and his heart is in the right place. Ron Paul knows the score, but he is doing his part.

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He has supported the official standing on the events of 9/11 from day one.

Just saying.

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In 08 I saw a YT of a girl who asked him about 9/11 and he didn't refute her claims about it being an inside job but he stated there needed to be another investigation and that he was too busy fighting the Fed etc to take that on. He was clearly taken off guard but he didn't say anything about the scary mooslems.

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In 08 I saw a YT of a girl who asked him about 9/11 and he didn't refute her claims about it being an inside job but he stated there needed to be another investigation and that he was too busy fighting the Fed etc to take that on. He was clearly taken off guard but he didn't say anything about the scary mooslems.

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Yep. I think Ron Paul's position on 9/11 is one of "choose your battles".


I do believe he knows a good deal more than he lets on.

First... everybody - Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from and responding with civil feedback.

It just seemed to me that over the course of the campaign that many of you were financially and emotionally invested and I was afraid that I'd be seen as bashing RP supporters.
I'm not - but as to this:

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So what?

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Here's what: He's running for the freeking presidency. This is what was being represented. If all he was doing is affecting a paradigm shift in politics, then he misrepresented his role (read suckered people) and took campaign contributions (read suckered people x2) knowing full well he'd never be potus.

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Tools have many uses.

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Tools are how the ELITE view the proles. I cannot consider RP a tool of my agenda. I don't use people. I however have no problem seeing that the elite used him as a tool against Freedom lovers - making them, in my view, suckers. (x3)

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

Ron Paul is still valuable for some uses, but was never viable as a President, because the shot-callers don't want him there.


I've supported Ron Paul by word of mouth to others, but I'm not a voting man for political reasons. I never thought he would be President, and if the shot-callers allowed him to be President, it would be because they were setting him up to be some kind of patsy/fall guy.


That being said, I've met the man, and his heart is in the right place. Ron Paul knows the score, but he is doing his part.

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I understand this in the context of him being a public servant but that kinda gets rolled over when I consider how disingenuous the whole process was.

I agree with you JJ.

I said this years ago on GSUS: History is the TRUTH. History is REALITY.

There is not one example in the entire recorded human history, where an Empire grew to this size and power, and yet was able to be reversed through 'voting'. This is LAUHABLE.

No population has EVER returned their country back to individual freedom without the USE OF FORCE.

Our Republic has degenerated into a Democracy, just like Jefferson said it would.

EVIL CRIMINALS are in power. Do you suppose they operate using morals truth and reality? Not a fucking chance. They operate using FORCE and COERCION. Force and Coersion only understand one thing: A Superior Force and Coercion.

Here is the best part: With all of the control TPTB have over us, WE STILL VOTE WITH OUR DOLLARS. This means that all of America could still; if they werent busy DESTROYING each other; could come together and take down giant industries EASILY. EASILY.

So America gets what it deserves: Tyranny and Despotism.

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First... everybody - Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from and responding with civil feedback.

It just seemed to me that over the course of the campaign that many of you were financially and emotionally invested and I was afraid that I'd be seen as bashing RP supporters.
I'm not - but as to this:

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I was neither financially nor emotionally invested, buy I did and do support him by word of mouth.

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Here's what: He's running for the freeking presidency. This is what was being represented. If all he was doing is affecting a paradigm shift in politics, then he misrepresented his role (read suckered people) and took campaign contributions (read suckered people x2) knowing full well he'd never be potus.

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Right. I agree. I don't hold the man up on a pedestal. That being said, he's still leaps and bounds more genuine than the other contenders, right? And his voting record as a congressman is the closest there is to perfect as has been achieved.

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Tools are how the ELITE view the proles. I cannot consider RP a tool of my agenda. I don't use people. I however have no problem seeing that the elite used him as a tool against Freedom lovers - making them, in my view, suckers. (x3)

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I mean that Ron Paul knows that he is a tool of the elite, but he tries to counter by using himself, his name, and his record for the cause of Liberty, in ways he deems proper or in ways in which he thinks is actually possible. A great deal of supporters knew he had no chance, and many doubted if he were "in it to win it", but you know what? Ron Paul people are gun owners. They are "preppers". They at least know that something is wrong in the "land of the free". I'd rather have "Ron Paul" neighbors than "Obama" neighbors.

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I understand this in the context of him being a public servant but that kinda gets rolled over when I consider how disingenuous the whole process was.

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But what can little ole Ron Paul do about anything?

Also, I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with your OP/your post from the other thread.

It is what it is.

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And his voting record as a congressman is the closest there is to perfect as has been achieved.

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http://www.ronpaul.com/images/ron-pa...ald-reagan.jpg
" I'M A LOYAL REPUBLICAN RON. THE PARTY IS EVERYTHING TO ME."

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Originally Posted by Book

http://www.ronpaul.com/images/ron-pa...ald-reagan.jpg
" I'M A LOYAL REPUBLICAN RON. THE PARTY IS EVERYTHING TO ME."

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Yep, that's a picture, but it doesn't really address his voting record in congress... Try again maybe?

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But what can little ole Ron Paul do about anything?

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I know.. I guess I just don't like to see people getting taken advantage of - (all the "sucker" ref's ) Especially hate to see the hopes of the "Freedom Movement" (doncha love lables?) misplaced.

Frankly, the Freedom Movement hasn't MOVED anything. All that talk about waking people up and hearts and minds and all that is BS.

Here's what has happened-

The Moneypowers have held us off for just a little longer, while they got a little richer, and lived it up for a little longer, poisoned alot more people, gained MUCH more control and power,
ALL WHILE THE FUCKING RON PAUL BANDWAGON WAS ROLLING ALONG.

yeah it kinda pisses me off.

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I kind of wish he would have stayed out of the way but that's just me monday morning qb'ing

Yes we saw the same thing in 2008. It was in 2008 that I realized Ron Paul wasn't trying to win the presidency. I mean he really gave up early there.

I'm still not sure that he's trying now, either. However, I appreciate the fact that he's trying to make everyone (in debates) sweat. He's making TPTB uncomfortable even if he isn't doing what I would do to unthrone them.

Yeah, Ron Paul hasn't accomlished EVERYTHING we wanted him to. But he's the only one talking about libertarian concepts at all, so he's good enough.

I don't like what is happening either. I am holding out for the possibility that he is purposely lying low so the Repub. Party does not find some way to disqualify him. I am also aware that a lot of his delegates are going to do what they want, even if Ron Paul asks them to support Romney. So I say let him continue to get delegates, and let them try and vote him in.

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Originally Posted by JJ.G0ldD0t

I know.. I guess I just don't like to see people getting taken advantage of - (all the "sucker" ref's ) Especially hate to see the hopes of the "Freedom Movement" (doncha love lables?) misplaced.

Frankly, the Freedom Movement hasn't MOVED anything. All that talk about waking people up and hearts and minds and all that is BS.

Here's what has happened-

The Moneypowers have held us off for just a little longer, while they got a little richer, and lived it up for a little longer, poisoned alot more people, gained MUCH more control and power,
ALL WHILE THE FUCKING RON PAUL BANDWAGON WAS ROLLING ALONG.

yeah it kinda pisses me off.

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I kind of wish he would have stayed out of the way but that's just me monday morning qb'ing

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I hear ya, but by "stayed out of the way", what exactly do you mean? If Ron Paul hadn't run in 2008 and 2012, do you really think the people that eventually turned to support him would have otherwise done anything against the banksters/moneymasters?

I don't see Ron Paul as a "containment vehicle" or something like that, because before he became better known publicly, there wouldn't have been as much of a "movement", real or imagined, to contain. His presidential campaigns precipitate(d) a change in thought in a continually-growing segment of the population, away from not giving a fuck, to at least having their eyes open to some if not all of the many frauds that are being committed against them.

I see Ron Paul as a net gain for Liberty, even though he is by no means a cure-all.

If nothing else, Ron Paul supporters make good neighbors, like Mormons. I don't agree completely with the Mormons either, but there are many bigger problems than Ron Paul or Mormons or whatever.

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yep...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/im...tican37_29.jpg

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Do not make this about the Catholic Church in general. This is an Americanist issue. The Church in the US does have its own "special" character in some quarters.


http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ge-weigel?pg=1




It also includes a modernist issue (which permeates more than just the Catholic Church):

http://www.cfnews.org/page10/page34/...Modernist.html

I removed my name from the Voting registration years ago, but i still used word of mouth to show people who RP was. Actually, i have woken up many people over the years who follow RP die hard now. So in that respect, RP and his philosophy have been a great help to wake up the sheople.

BUT,

At some point guess what has happened? We have all become the most educated prisoners in the concentration camp.

I have wasted a lot of time learning how i got here, instead of doing something to get me out of it. People need to look in the mirror and admit that to themsleves. The problem with the average American, RP and voting, is that somewhere in their subconscious they want some one else to fix this problem. They want some one else to have to do the dirty work, so they dont have to.

Its just another form of limited liability.

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I hear ya, but by "stayed out of the way", what exactly do you mean? .

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like I said.. monday morning quarterbacking ;)

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If Ron Paul hadn't run in 2008 and 2012, do you really think the people that eventually turned to support him would have otherwise done anything against the banksters/moneymasters?

I don't see Ron Paul as a "containment vehicle" or something like that, because before he became better known publicly, there wouldn't have been as much of a "movement", real or imagined, to contain. His presidential campaigns precipitate(d) a change in thought in a continually-growing segment of the population, away from not giving a fuck, to at least having their eyes open to some if not all of the many frauds that are being committed against them.

I see Ron Paul as a net gain for Liberty, even though he is by no means a cure-all.

If nothing else, Ron Paul supporters make good neighbors, like Mormons. I don't agree completely with the Mormons either, but there are many bigger problems than Ron Paul or Mormons or whatever.

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Time will tell if it was a net gain or if TPTB used it to buy time. Thats all I got. Not saying you're wrong - just that its too early to tell.

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Do not make this about the Catholic Church in general.

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I didn't intend to. That pic carried way less weight than my origional post and was a flasback to the post that DMac referenced from 04/01/10.
In fact it had more to do with the masonic symbols and nothing to do with the Church.

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....BUT,

At some point guess what has happened? We have all become the most educated prisoners in the concentration camp.

I have wasted a lot of time learning how i got here, instead of doing something to get me out of it. People need to look in the mirror and admit that to themsleves. The problem with the average American, RP and voting, is that somewhere in their subconscious they want some one else to fix this problem. They want some one else to have to do the dirty work, so they dont have to.

Its just another form of limited liability.

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THAT is what I'm talking about.

right on.

When am I going to get off the Ron Paul bandwagon...NEVER.

It is the right idea and idea's are all that matter.

The term "idealist" comes to mind and is rarely used affectionately. But hey if it floats your boat...

Nobody in our lifetime has turned people onto the freedom message like Ron Paul has, bar none, and add to the fact that it keeps growing by word of mouth among the people it's a very powerful thing.

I used to preach it 25-30 years ago and now look at what has happened, it would have NEVER happened without RP! Hell, 25-30 years ago most of you would have told me I'm a fucking nut bag.

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Nobody in our lifetime has turned people onto the freedom message like Ron Paul has, bar none, and add to the fact that it keeps growing by word of mouth among the people it's a very powerful thing.

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not if you ain't free.

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.... We have all become the most educated prisoners in the concentration camp.

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I don't like what is happening either. I am holding out for the possibility that he is purposely lying low so the Repub. Party does not find some way to disqualify him. I am also aware that a lot of his delegates are going to do what they want, even if Ron Paul asks them to support Romney. So I say let him continue to get delegates, and let them try and vote him in.

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RP HAS to lay low, he couldn't openly call for mass insurrection within the party! I can't help but think that he knows that he's created hundreds of Patrick Henry's that just don't give a flying shit about "the party" and are very concerned about their country! He can't control them, nor would he if he could, this is free market poliitcs in action! Even if he said support mitty, the vast majority will even tell RP to fuck off, just like they've told Rand to fuck off. It's still a very small movement but it can and will raise 3 kinds of hell in Tampa, bank on it.

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The term "idealist" comes to mind and is rarely used affectionately. But hey if it floats your boat...

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What do you have, if you don't have ideals?

ROMNEY

(edit: for the literary impaired, If you have no ideals you have a person like Romney. It is supposed to be funny, but some people are really thick.)

As long as we're on the topic;)

Brian Doherty, 06/05/12

Ron Paul has stopped actively campaigning in forthcoming primary contests, and after Texas everyone agrees that Romney has the nomination effectively locked up. But Ron Paul’s people are still striving to rack up as many delegates as he can at state Republican Party conventions before the Tampa .

He’s continued to do it too—even after his May announcement that many in media spun as “Paul drops out,” the Texas Congressman cleanly won control of his second state delegation at Minnesota’s state convention.

This past weekend in a chaotic and divided state GOP convention in Louisiana, in which two Paul activists were injured by police, it appears likely that he controls the delegation in that state too. (Since the convention literally split in two, the national party will have to eventually decide between two competing delegations, but the Paulite convention had the majority.)

Paul also previously won Maine, and has strong hope of coming out of the state convention later this month in Iowa controlling their delegation as well.

Still, Paul’s campaign admits they know Romney will win the Republican Party's presidential nomination. This has led many to wonder exactly what Paul’s trying to accomplish at the August GOP convention in Tampa. Prominent speaking slot? Platform influence? Sway over the vice presidential slot?

But what the GOP establishment needs to wonder is: what do his supporters want, and why?


Paul himself will likely not be a political player past 2013, when he leaves the House seat he’s held since 1997. But his supporters skew so young, they’ll be shaping the Party’s future far longer than Romney’s fans will.

Paul can attract over 7,000 students to come hear him speak, a level of enthusiasm no other GOP figure can muster. He’s now got 110,000 signed-up members for his “Youth for Ron Paul” group.

Why are they so passionate about this unlikely political champion? And why is their energy so hard to contain even by Paul’s own campaign, who talk of their desire for more “decorum” on the part of their often rowdy and contentious supporters?

Most politicians sell comfort—that American is the greatest, rich and mighty and right, and what small problems we have can be solved by electing our guy and getting rid of the other guy. Ron Paul wins passionate devotion selling a vision of great discomfort.

He tells us American foreign policy is misguided and understandably earns us enemies. He sees America not on the rise, but in decline because of Federal Reserve-primed booms and busts and a crushing debt burden.

He decries the American government for not protecting our liberties but rather unjustly oppressing its citizens over everything from medical marijuana to raw milk.

Unfortunately for Paul’s fans, the radical solutions the Paul worldview demands—an end to overseas military adventurism, ending government’s ability to manipulate paper currency, severe cuts in spending on all the myriad income-shifting promises Washington makes -- don’t register as “practical solutions” to those who helped create the crises those policies have led us to. And that’s both the Democrats and Paul’s own Republican Party.

Even though Paul’s budget plan, with its three-year glide path to a balanced budget with no tax hikes, was found by U.S. Budget Watch, a non-partisan research group, to be the only budget plan offered by GOP candidates this year that would not balloon the national debt, the Republican Party is scared of him. Even though his supporters continue to win control of delegations (Maine, Minnesota, and Louisiana) or state party structures (in Iowa and Nevada), the Party doesn’t want to embrace him.

Because if Ron Paul is right about the dangers of government overextension both at home and abroad, it means the GOP has to actually be serious about this limited government, living-within-our-means stuff that is supposed to be the very marrow of conservatism.

If they have to swallow some sour apples about returning the U.S. military to its original goal of just actually defending the U.S. and make the government respect citizens’ civil liberties, that should be a small price to pay to attract the loyalty, votes and money of a rising generation of activists.

Paul’s people have given money and rallied in amounts and numbers far exceeding such other GOP hopefuls as Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. Paul’s fans gave nearly as much money to his campaign as those other two candidates combined.

The Goldwater movement in 1960 was seen as too young, too radical and too outside the mainstream by the GOP establishment of its day.

The religious right during the 1988 Pat Robertson campaign was seen as an overly loud and pushy minority.

But just as those minorities grew and dominated the GOP, the libertarian-leaning energy of the Ron Paul movement is primed to shape the future of the Republican Party. With their unique seriousness about reining in a government drowning in debt, neither the Republican Party nor the country can afford to ignore the concerns of Paul’s devotees.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz1wxN6yd59

"But what the GOP establishment needs to wonder is: what do his supporters want, and why?"

They know what we want; they're afraid we just might get it.

I have always viewed Paul's national campaigns as educational; getting out the liberty-minded folks to see that they're not alone, and getting out the message of economic liberty is the foundation America was built upon. Madame Liberty clearing her throat, if you will, and libertarians clearing their consciences.

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"But what the GOP establishment needs to wonder is: what do his supporters want, and why?"

They know what we want; they're afraid we just might get it.

I have always viewed Paul's national campaigns as educational; getting out the liberty-minded folks to see that they're not alone, and getting out the message of economic liberty is the foundation America was built upon. Madame Liberty clearing her throat, if you will, and libertarians clearing their consciences.

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This user thanks the hell out of ya SW! X 10!

I wonder how many oz's of gold/silver have been bought because of RP's message of economic liberty?

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This user thanks the hell out of ya SW! X 10!

I wonder how many oz's of gold/silver have been bought because of RP's message of economic liberty?

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Well..... There wouldn't be any silver eagles or US minted gold coins... If not for the whipping boy Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not the single greatest ill in the world, au contraire, he is more cure than poison. There are too many people I should despise before I begin to despise Dr Paul.

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Well..... There wouldn't be any silver eagles or US minted gold coins... If not for the whipping boy Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not the single greatest ill in the world, au contraire, he is more cure than poison. There are too many people I should despise before I begin to despise Dr Paul.

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Thank you 20X for proving what I inferred Gonzo! I seriously wondered if anyone would chime in about that fact. People say he didn't author any legislation worth a damn during his tenure in Congress but is this not the single best piece of work that has been given us? Most everything else has been against us!

I voted for RP today here in Cali. With Independents allowed to vote for anyone, I wonder what the results will be.

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... he's created hundreds of Patrick Henry's that just don't give a flying shit about "the party"...

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https://www.examiner.com/sites/defau...eLarge-NYT.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/utTRW_h6KNk/0.jpg

Like his boy Republican Rand Paul?

:D

http://www.gq.com/images/news-and-po...ul-628x434.jpg

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Hell, 25-30 years ago most of you would have told me I'm a fucking nut bag.

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