Geocentrism

There's clearly many, many unsettled things even in a trailer.

1. Universe and life is way different than we think - yes
2. Universe will run out of energy - no
3. Universe has become from nothing - no
4. Nothing is almost everything - duh, mathematicians have been saying this for a few 100 years
5. Dark energy - fantasy of folks trying to fix holes (now giant) in General Relativity theory.
6. Lots of Nobel prizes for secrets of dark matter - british scientists (now an oxymoron) are wishing to play this to the end regardless if it all falls apart
7. Universe created for us - no
8. Earth created for us - possible, by alien life forms, we may even not be their first take
9. We are the only life in entire universe - no

Watch, or not?

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Originally Posted by FreeEnergy

There's clearly many, many unsettled things even in a trailer.

1. Universe and life is way different than we think - yes
2. Universe will run out of energy - no
3. Universe has become from nothing - no
4. Nothing is almost everything - duh, mathematicians have been saying this for a few 100 years
5. Dark energy - fantasy of folks trying to fix holes (now giant) in General Relativity theory.
6. Lots of Nobel prizes for secrets of dark matter - british scientists (now an oxymoron) are wishing to play this to the end regardless if it all falls apart
7. Universe created for us - no
8. Earth created for us - possible, by alien life forms, we may even not be their first take
9. We are the only life in entire universe - no

Watch, or not?

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The main theme of the film is the challenging of the Copernican Principle. If there is no Copernican Principle, there is no need for dark energy, big bang, etc. All the mythology gets stripped out. If there is no Copernican Principle, the tower they built over the last 400 years collapses, and we are back to our observations.

so john do all the members here get a free down load of the movie

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If there is no Copernican Principle, the tower they built over the last 400 years collapses, and we are back to our observations.

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Who is this, they?

And if there is a "they" side, who is this "our" side?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-7BeEkYwgk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFc4wriBvE

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Who is this, they?

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The so-called "scientific community."

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And if there is a "they" side, who is this "our" side?

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Those who prefer reality to "consensus."

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Those who prefer reality to "consensus."

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Reality is you're standing on the face of Earth, and Foucault proved you're rotating.

If Earth were center of the universe you would in some form be statically clung to the moon.

Though there is a distinct possibility that parts of you are orbiting around it.

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Reality is you're standing on the face of Earth, and Foucault proved you're rotating.

If Earth were center of the universe you would in some form be statically clung to the moon.

Though there is a distinct possibility that parts of you are orbiting around it.

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I am not convinced of a particular theory of cosmology, though I think "the Big Bang" and associated claims are garbage. Earth is almost certainly rotating. And yes, the rest of the universe could also be rotating - faster. But nothing we think we know is certain. That is unlike the so-called "scientific community" that proclaims they do "know" when they don't or even can't.

I look forward to The Principle because it appears to be well-put-together, and, the "scientific community" is in an uproar over it. If it's nonsense, why fear it? Their reaction is religious fanatic-like in intensity.

As it stands all science and any point of fact or theory is hypotheses and best guesses until something better trumps the current line of thinking! Two things that are certain birth and then death, and death (physical) raises the hotly debated but can not be proven nor answered question that is there something beyond for the soul or id !

Almost everything in life is conjecture!

imo

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I am not convinced of a particular theory of cosmology, though I think "the Big Bang" and associated claims are garbage. Earth is almost certainly rotating. And yes, the rest of the universe could also be rotating - faster. But nothing we think we know is certain. That is unlike the so-called "scientific community" that proclaims they do "know" when they don't or even can't.

I look forward to The Principle because it appears to be well-put-together, and, the "scientific community" is in an uproar over it. If it's nonsense, why fear it? Their reaction is religious fanatic-like in intensity.

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I imagine the film doesn't use their interviews in whole, but in part splice fashion to create an "aura" or bend the curvature of space time in the movie's pointed direction.

I don't view the "scientific community" being anywhere near a so called "towering" impasse, in fact everything is turning up and out to appear quite weak in most instances.

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Almost everything in life is conjecture!

imo

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Now you've gone straight from Worshipful Master, to Sitting Bull.

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Now you've gone straight from Worshipful Master, to Sitting Bull.

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! ? scratching head!

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I imagine the film doesn't use their interviews in whole, but in part splice fashion to create an "aura" or bend the curvature of space time in the movie's pointed direction.

I don't view the "scientific community" being anywhere near a so called "towering" impasse, in fact everything is turning up and out to appear quite weak in most instances.

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"Sound bytes" is one of the complaints of the "experts" in the film. But extensive editing is the usual technique when the interview is long, and the space is short. For any documentary or news report.

The "scientific community" has a core of "consensus" that is regarded as "science." It functions in a monolithic manner for topics that are controversial and/or impinge on traditional beliefs. "Global warming," Darwinist Evolution, and "the Big Bang" are examples.

As I understand it one of the main 'proofs' offered as evidence that Universe would be aligned to earth is the background heat map of the universe, which appears to be aligned in a north and south distinct sphere. However I think the most probable explanation for the anomaly is the Suns magnetic field. I suppose the good thing is that every star system that have some quasi intelligent life forms could based on their observations assume their star system being in the center of the universe.

I wonder if other stars systems have Hypertigers at the very center of their system. Or are we in a unique position of the universe?

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As I understand it one of the main 'proofs' offered as evidence that Universe would be aligned to earth is the background heat map of the universe, which appears to be aligned in a north and south distinct sphere. However I think the most probable explanation for the anomaly is the Suns magnetic field. I suppose the good thing is that every star system that have some quasi intelligent life forms could based on their observations assume their star system being in the center of the universe.

I wonder if other stars systems have Hypertigers at the very center of their system. Or are we in a unique position of the universe?

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Sounds more like evidence counter to big bang theory, to which there is already plenty. I don't see it as any evidence countering Foucault's rotation, or anything there to even suggest a relation, or even as any sort of anomaly.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...tid=6820&stc=1

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As I understand it one of the main 'proofs' offered as evidence that Universe would be aligned to earth is the background heat map of the universe, which appears to be aligned in a north and south distinct sphere. However I think the most probable explanation for the anomaly is the Suns magnetic field. I suppose the good thing is that every star system that have some quasi intelligent life forms could based on their observations assume their star system being in the center of the universe.

I wonder if other stars systems have Hypertigers at the very center of their system. Or are we in a unique position of the universe?

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The hot and cold areas in the CMB are segregated by the planes of the ecliptic and the eqiunoxes.

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Sounds more like evidence counter to big bang theory, to which there is already plenty. I don't see it as any evidence countering Foucault's rotation, or anything there to even suggest a relation, or even as any sort of anomaly.

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The movie is not trying to prove geocentrism, only discuss evidence challenging the Copernican Principle.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...tid=6825&stc=1

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...tid=6827&stc=1

Advance tickets to the documentary, The Principle are available now. Opening week starts October 24th.

Marcus Addison Cinema
1555 West Lake Street
Addison, IL 60101
(630) 932-0864


http://www.movietickets.com/movie/mi...us/15/tstate/0

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...tid=6831&stc=1

In other news, Christians discovered in Chicago.
:rolleyes:

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In other news, Christians discovered in Chicago.
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Look at the cast. This is going to attract more than Christians; though a lot of Christians will go see it.

why is it opening in a commie city are their no better places for it to open

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why is it opening in a commie city are their no better places for it to open

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Maybe they're hoping some crazy God hating liberal will shoot up the place so they can shut down any other theaters from showing it?

Cosmologists base everything on gravity, string theory is a bridge to the electric universe. Plank's filters or any others will never be long or strong enough to filter out the feed line microwaves to our closest star, The Sun.

Watch her string out into a mulitiverse to try and explain how she is looking through the wrong end of her telescope. While her contributions are important and her science sound, she still hasn't made the quantum leap into the electric universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAL1-vzMvmA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI

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Cosmologists base everything on gravity, string theory is a bridge to the electric universe. Plank's filters or any others will never be long or strong enough to filter out the feed line microwaves to our closest star, The Sun.

Watch her string out into a mulitiverse to try and explain how she is looking through the wrong end of her telescope. While her contributions are important and her science sound, she still hasn't made the quantum leap into the electric universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAL1-vzMvmA

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Of course everything she is talking about is nothing but pure fantasy. Great way of stringing up the best mathematical minds into a completely useless endeavor... Start them up by indoctrinating them in religious theories of mad men.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI

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That actually looks very promising after having looked at Part 1. Getting rid of black holes, dark matter and dark energy does it for me.

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Maybe they're hoping some crazy God hating liberal will shoot up the place so they can shut down any other theaters from showing it?

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Did they shut down the batman movie?

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Of course everything she is talking about is nothing but pure fantasy. Great way of stringing up the best mathematical minds into a completely useless endeavor... Start them up by indoctrinating them in religious theories of mad men.

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Wait there's more, Repulsive Gravity & Miracle Inflation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoqgka2W7YA#t=1046

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That actually looks very promising after having looked at Part 1. Getting rid of black holes, dark matter and dark energy does it for me.

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The search presented in this paper targets mostly very heavy monopoles, which cannot achieve relativistic speeds. “With the null detection, we now close the window on a connection between such hypothetical monopoles and dark matter. The resulting constraints on the flux are so low that monopoles cannot constitute the dominant amount of dark matter in the universe,” says Sebastian Schoenen, an IceCube researcher at RWTH Aachen University. Following these results, only monopoles with a mass larger than the so-called Planck mass could be responsible for a large fraction of dark matter, but this mass is above the scale predicted by GUT theories

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http://icecube.wisc.edu/news/view/202



Physicists create synthetic magnetic monopole predicted more than 80 years ago


(Phys.org) —Nearly 85 years after pioneering theoretical physicist Paul Dirac predicted the possibility of their existence, an international collaboration led by Amherst College Physics Professor David S. Hall '91 and Aalto University (Finland) Academy Research Fellow Mikko Möttönen has created, identified and photographed synthetic magnetic monopoles in Hall's laboratory on the Amherst campus. The groundbreaking accomplishment paves the way for the detection of the particles in nature, which would be a revolutionary development comparable to the discovery of the electron.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...tid=6832&stc=1
Due to the fact that every whirl carries an artificial magnetic field, their creation or destruction occurs at the point of merging. "This means that an artificial magnetic monopole has to sit on this point," describes Prof. Rosch, "whenever two magnetic whirls merge in the experiment, an artificial magnetic monopole has flown through surface."

http://phys.org/news/2013-05-artific...monopoles.html

Seriously The Primer Field dude, if indeed it is his theory, deserves the Nobel Prize in Physics, but since his breakthrough contradicts many of the previous Nobel prize laureates he will probably never get it. But his work on photones (part 3) is just astonishing in its common sense explanation after more than a century of madness! Damn I haven't been this excited re anything in physics and astrophysics ever before. On to part 4!

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Damn I haven't been this excited re anything in physics and astrophysics ever before. On to part 4!

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Possible he was since compromised by tptb, tranquilized by payments or vanished. Maybe, He was overly excited about it also, and his press to put it into action was harder than imagined?

Nothing has come since as far as i can see. i don't think a 4th part is coming, but oh well someone else will pickup on it.

Apparently some theory was based on a Walter Russells work.

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Possible he was since compromised by tptb, tranquilized by payments or vanished. Maybe, He was overly excited about it also, and his press to put it into action was harder than imagined?

Nothing has come since as far as i can see. i don't think a 4th part is coming, but oh well someone else will pickup on it.

Apparently some theory was based on a Walter Russells work.

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Yeah I just saw that 4th part was put on hold. I am disappointed about that.

More Primer Field structures...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENyyRwxpHo#t=80

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More Primer Field structures...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENyyRwxpHo#t=80

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It looks that way! Where is David LaPoint? seems to have disappeared off the end of the Universe in a handbasket... Damn his work on magnetism, galaxies, pulsars, supernova remnants and photones is nothing but groundbreaking, but part 4 was on how matter is held together. Which was announced in the beginning of 2013!

Was following a post of his in a thread of thunderbolts forums.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/p...=9221&start=45

I got to about page 7 and my brain suffered electrostatic discharge. :)

Bone for thread topic,

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In 1926 a very ambitious ring interferometry experiment was set up by Albert Michelson and Henry Gale. The aim was to find out whether the rotation of the Earth has an effect on the propagation of light in the vicinity of the Earth. The Michelson–Gale–Pearson experiment was a very large ring interferometer, (a perimeter of 1.9 kilometer), large enough to detect the angular velocity of the Earth. The outcome of the experiment was that the angular velocity of the Earth as measured by astronomy was confirmed to within measuring accuracy. The ring interferometer of the Michelson-Gale experiment was not calibrated by comparison with an outside reference (which was not possible, because the setup was fixed to the Earth). From its design it could be deduced where the central interference fringe ought to be if there would be zero shift. The measured shift was 230 parts in 1000, with an accuracy of 5 parts in 1000. The predicted shift was 237 parts in 1000.

Practical uses

The Sagnac effect is employed in current technology. One use is in inertial guidance systems. Ring laser gyroscopes are extremely sensitive to rotations, which need to be accounted for if an inertial guidance system is to return accurate results. The ring laser also can detect the sidereal day, which can also be termed "mode 1". Global navigation systems, such as GPS, GLONASS, COMPASS or Galileo, need to take the rotation of the Earth into account in the procedures of using radio signals to synchronize clocks.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/sagnac-...#ixzz3ExBBRneh

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Speed of light illusion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_9J_c9Kss

Interesting video on magnetism, but am not sure what it really means. As to Sagnac and Michelson-Gale, this is covered quite a bit in Galileo Was Wrong. Both are seen asn challenging reltaivity, and spporting geocentrism.

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The movie is not trying to prove geocentrism, only discuss evidence challenging the Copernican Principle.

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Interesting video on magnetism, but am not sure what it really means. As to Sagnac and Michelson-Gale, this is covered quite a bit in Galileo Was Wrong. Both are seen asn challenging reltaivity, and spporting geocentrism.

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The observations with Sagnac and Michelson-Gale may work well to challenge Relative Theory,

while basing itself in heliocentrism.