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monty do they still have the road block to stop o there from coming in , if so do you think the rest will be fair game for a shot out
I don't have any information. Krisnne Hall, in her video said some people are still in the refuge. She didn't have any names. As far as more shooting, that is anybody's guess.
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what was the purported reason for the 3%-ers staying only "for a few hours" as you put it, before deciding to return home?
I Joogled it for you PatColo.
:rolleyes: just lazy or passive-resistant?
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Wow, I've never seen a bigger group of self serving pussies trying to justify the blood on their hands as I have before that video.
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So everyone still there are allowed to leave peacefully to get arrested for federal charges, nice deal there.
The sherif does not look comfortable, seems to me there is something much bigger behind this that they are not leading on to...
I still don't think this is going to end well.
Is any of the property involved still tied to Reid?
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So everyone still there are allowed to leave peacefully to get arrested for federal charges, nice deal there.
The sherif does not look comfortable, seems to me there is something much bigger behind this that they are not leading on to...
I still don't think this is going to end well.
Is any of the property involved still tied to Reid?
Nope, but tied to Hillary and a company called Uranium one.
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Wow, I've never seen a bigger group of self serving pussies trying to justify the blood on their hands as I have before that video.
That was my thought too after watching it. They all have a good mans blood on their hands and they can't wash it off. SOB's
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Ares
Nope, but tied to Hillary and a company called Uranium one.
Excellent! Hope this gets spread wide.
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Video summary: "I'm clueless!" (as usual)
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Apparently some misguided souls are wanting to die on that hill.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...127-story.html
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I saw something maybe 20 minutes ago that said the Feds had gone in. Could have been something from yesterday caught up in other stuff.
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Jewboo
I Joogled it for you PatColo.
:rolleyes: just lazy or passive-resistant?
your link points to a joogle IMAGE search; when images are useless wrt your claim re the 13%-ers. :(
I'm most interested to see your source for saying the 13%-ers were there only "for a few hours" (which I would interpret to mean, < 12 hours coz after that we'd call it a half day; then 1 day, a couple days, etc); and any REASON provided for WHY the 13's would've chosen to return home after only "a few hours." :)
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JFriend article, also appeared at AFP, check link for growing reader comments. U can also check the 26 comments atm at the first LaVoy article JF posted.
Oregon Standoff Turns Violent; Leading Spokesman Dead
January 27, 2016 Realist Report 2 comments
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The standoff taking place in southeastern Oregon took a dramatic turn in the late afternoon hours on Tuesday, January 26.
According to local reports, Ammon Bundy, the leader of the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, and a number of other individuals close to him are now in federal custody after being stopped by Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Oregon State Police on US Highway 395 roughly 20 miles north of Burns, Oregon.
Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, who AMERICAN FREE PRESS interviewed while at the Refuge, was reportedly killed by law enforcement officers. Ryan Bundy, Ammon’s older brother, was reportedly wounded during the violent confrontation as well, and was subsequently taken into federal custody.
Also arrested were Joseph D. O’Shaughnessy, 45, of Cottonwood, Arizona, and Pete Santilli, 50, of Cincinnati, the combative Internet broadcaster known for his showboating and aggressive manner while recording and live streaming during the standoff. Both men face conspiracy charges of impeding federal officers.
Bundy and his entourage were reportedly traveling to a community meeting that was organized and scheduled by residents in the town of John Day, a small community just north of Burns. The Oregonian, one of the largest newspapers in the state, reported that several hundred locals gathered at the John Day Senior Center before being told Bundy and his supporters would not be speaking at the event.
At 4:25 pm PST, FBI officials and the Oregon State Police released a joint statement describing “an enforcement action to bring into custody a number of individuals associated with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge,” according to the press release. “During that arrest, there were shots fired.”
Finicum, who served as a spokesman and leader of the occupation, was a Mormon rancher with 11 children. He told NBC News on January 5 that he would rather be killed than arrested.
“There are things more important than your life, and freedom is one of them,” Finicum said.
Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, who has supported the Bundys in the past, told local media outlets that Ammon Bundy called his wife after being detained by law enforcement authorities, informing her that Finicum was cooperating with law enforcement officials before being shot and killed. Fiore Tweeted that Finicum was “murdered with his hands up.” That allegation has not yet been confirmed.
Other eye witnesses claim that Finicum attempted to drive around a major road block set up by law enforcement officials, hitting a snowbank in the process. He then proceeded to exit his truck and approach law enforcement officials, disobeying officers’ orders to surrender. He was then shot and killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wA18O_6dgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wA18O_6dgw
“My dad was such a good good man, through and through,” Arianna Finicum Brown, 26, one of Finicum’s 11 children, told The Oregonian. “He would never ever want to hurt somebody, but he does believe in defending freedom and he knew the risks involved.”
In an interview with The Oregonian on Monday, January 25, Finicum noted that “the tenor has changed” between his entourage and the federal authorities they were negotiating with. “They’re doing all the things that shows that they want to take some kinetic action against us,” Finicum told The Oregonian.
The violent confrontation between law enforcement authorities and the protesters came days after county and state officials in Oregon insisted the federal government intervene, forcefully if necessary, to end the occupation.
Ammon and Ryan Bundy, along with at least five other individuals associated with the occupation, are currently in federal custody. They are facing “a federal felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation, or threats, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 372,” according to the official statement.
TENSIONS RISING
Tensions had been rising in southeastern Oregon as the standoff at the Refuge in Harney County entered its fourth week. On January 20, Oregon governor Katherine “Kate” Brown submitted a letter to the U.S. Justice Department and FBI Director James Comey urging federal officials to take “swift” action against the occupiers.
“While it is easy to assume that an occupation in such a remote location does not threaten public safety and does not harm any victims, that perception is far from accurate,” the governor stated in her letter. Governor Brown described the occupiers as “armed criminals who appear to be seeking occasions for confrontation,” an allegation Ammon Bundy, Finicum, and other leaders of the occupation strongly disagreed with.
The Oregon governor went on to insist that the federal government find a prompt resolution to the standoff, and end the occupation of the Refuge. “Efforts to negotiate have not been successful, and now it is unclear what steps, if any, federal authorities might take to bring this untenable situation to an end and restore normalcy to to this community.”
The Oregonian, Oregon’s leading newspaper, also published an editorial urging the occupiers to end their protest and leave town on the same day Governor Brown issued her letter to federal authorities.
On Monday, January 25, Harney County Judge Steven E. Grasty, joining Governor Brown in her call for swift action against the protesters occupying the Refuge, argued the time is now for federal authorities to bring an end to the occupation.
“They need to move, they need to make a decision,” Grasty recently stated. “Are they going to arrest these people? Are they going to blockade the facility?”
Federal authorities had emphasized their desire to take an extremely cautious approach to handling the standoff in an effort to avoid violence. Those participating in the occupation and protest also emphasized they were not instigating or enticing a violent confrontation with law enforcement authorities either. They insisted that they were simply interested in having their legitimate grievances addressed by the proper authorities.
As we know now, those desires did not play out.
At various community meetings in Harney County over the course of the past two weeks, local residents expressed their disapproval of the ongoing occupation and the outsiders behind it. Although numerous Harney County residents, including ranchers and private property owners, sympathize with the Hammonds and are critical of many of the federal government’s land management policies in the county, many locals are getting tired of the occupation and the disruption it is causing to their daily lives.
“You should just go home, and I hope somebody catches you on the way, and you go to jail where you deserve to be,” Isabelle Fleuraud, pointing at Ammon Bundy from across the bleachers, stated at a community meeting held on January 19 in Burns, the county seat.
Supporters of Harney County ranchers Dwight L. and Steven D. Hammond, who surrendered to federal authorities in early January, took over a number of federal buildings on the National Refuge on January 2 in protest of the re-sentencing of the Hammonds following a federal appeal of their original sentence.
The protesters and occupiers have maintained that the Hammonds, as well as other local ranchers and private property owners in Oregon and across the United States, have been harassed, mistreated, and intimidated by federal agencies maintaining vast amounts of land owned by the federal government. The federal government has no Constitutional authority to even own the land, protesters claim.
Ammon Bundy, the iconic leader of the occupation now in federal custody, and others submitted a detailed redress of grievance to local and state officials in Oregon in December, emphasizing the plight of the Hammonds and the unjust treatment they have received by the federal government. Thus far, the issues and concerns they have raised with officials have yet to be responded to and addressed.
Local and federal authorities have asserted that the demands issued by the occupiers, which include releasing the Hammonds from federal prison as well as ending federal ownership and management of grazing land and the massive Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, are not feasible and contrary to established law and legal precedents.
County officials, including Harney County Sheriff David M. Ward and Grasty, were entirely unwilling to even engage with Bundy and his entourage, at least when it came to addressing their concerns with federal management of vast amounts of land in Harney County. According to a spokesman for the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the federal agency responsible for managing and maintaining land owned by the federal government, the BLM manages over 60% of the county.
Bundy and his supporters engaged in dialogue with representatives of the FBI late last week in an effort to resolve the ongoing standoff. However, on Friday, January 22, Bundy questioned the FBI’s legal authority to operate in Harney County. In a confrontation with Harney County sheriff’s officials, Bundy demanded to know whether or not Harney County officials granted the FBI authority to operate in the county. Harney County officials informed Bundy the FBI did in fact have permission to operate, and that local and state agencies were working closely with the federal government in their response to the standoff.
NB: This article was originally published by American Free Press on January 27, 2016.
http://therealistreport.com/oregon-s...pokesman-dead/
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US Fed has detained and remanded the 6 people into custody for a hearing on Friday.
The leader of that group has issued a message in court for everyone to stand down and go home. The leader said they can now fight their case in court.
Somehow that sounds contrived. Maybe words put in peoples mouths by FEDS/media. Who knows.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...d-down-go-home
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midnight rambler
^ This article has so much spin I had to stop reading before I fell over. What a bunch of propaganda!
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Glass
US Fed has detained and remanded the 6 people into custody for a hearing on Friday.
The leader of that group has issued a message in court for everyone to stand down and go home. The leader said they can now fight their case in court.
Somehow that sounds contrived. Maybe words put in peoples mouths by FEDS/media. Who knows.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...d-down-go-home
Giving the benefit of the doubt that Ammon Bundy did pass the stated message onto his lawyer to present publicly; I can see where his head is at-- he wants the peeps remaining at the compound to 'live to fight another day.'
I guess my base skepticism/pessimism shifts to the corrupt joodeo-masonic court system, which bends procedures & manipulates whatever trial outcome they wish.
It reminds me of how most people, like now, get caught up in imagining the fake "elections" have integrity/legitimacy, and build on that fallacious base presumption to get excited over this or that candidate or ballot measure, like RON Paul. The Donald, or labeling GMOs. So all their mental energy, time, "hope" goes into achieving their desired goals, from within a game which is rigged against them, whether that 'game' is the joodeo-masonic court system or the fake 'election' system. :)
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oh dear... 5.x hours old vid (overnight hours across cont. US), 2656 views, 215 comments atm. 6.5 mins:
Oregon Standoff is STAGED! Militia Actor EXPOSED! WARNING! PAY ATTENTION! (Redsilverj)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVe5nh7Da4g
RSJ doesn't tell when/where the dubious clip of those "jokuhs" was (and I agree with that "jokuhs" sentiment in this instance!); vid has no branding except RSJ's; first I've seen of the jokuhs; their tone/tenor is completely out of synch with everything else I've seen coming out of this event... weak sauce, RSJ! :(
Separately; haven't listened to this yet but Patty Aichen recently had JFriend on as guest, and she's pretty feisty herself:
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Witness Video: Police Version of Shooting in Oregon Totally Correct ... who the guy work for in the video , monty are pat may know . you keep hearing so many story of what has happen , see this story this morning
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on January 27, 2016
Bundy calls for surrender, fails to back "hands in the air" tale
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-cont...80-320x280.jpgLaVoy Finicum is dead. Was it necessary and who it to blame?
[ Editor’s update: Gordon and I had double posted on this story, so I am moving my intro to his comments below. The witness above who was stopped and arrested in the first car refutes the allegations made in this early reporting of an execution with his hands up in the air.
This is what I would classify as a credible witness, as he is telling what he knows with no hype, and he is already in carry on mode with the fight.
Finicum took off from the first road block after at least one person got out and was not fired upon, and then crashed into a snowbank while trying to run the backup roadblock. With two women in the car, one an 18-year-old girl, that was an irresponsible thing to do.
But Finicum left a big clue as reported by the NY Times Today, “I’m not going to end up in prison,” said Mr. Finicum, 54, who often appeared at news conferences wearing a broad cowboy hat on his head and a sidearm on his hip. “I would rather die than be caged. And I’ve lived a good life.”
He exited the car and charged the officers and was shot then… from the witnesses released and reported above. This video witness man was at a distance himself, but I suspect we will have plenty of video camera evidence of both stops, as that is routine in these situations where both sides want proof of what happened.
The rest of those stopped are alive, to tell their stories. Those with warrants were arrested and the others released. I am sure we will be hearing more about this in the next few days. For my two cents, these folks should have been aware that some sort of arrest could be expected and should have had a game plan to move the dispute into the courts, as will happen now.
I was surprised the Feds were letting this situation drag out. One of the reasons could be that they were waiting for the leaders to get overconfident and get sloppy. If the Feds wanted to avoid a legal case on the main theme, they will often tap phones and collect evidence for a conspiracy case, which can be a serious case, and nab a group at one time.
Any kind of shooting served neither the government’s position nor those arrested, injured or killed. The Jade Helm crew will crawl out from under their rocks and try to ride this pony, hoping we all will forget about their JH hoax, where Santilli was one of the main promoters. We are still waiting for video tours of the underground Walmart tunnels.
Here we have public relations genius, Mr. Santilli, with a few choice words to share with us.
Entering stage left next will be Alex “the Prison Planet – Jade Helm” Jones, to milk this for all he can get. We are still looking for the thousands of Russian commandos moving up the Mississippi River. At the end of the day, this is going to be a long drawn out legal case. The activists should be well represented... Jim W. Dean ]
__________…and now, for Gordon’s input
With wild stories from “activist” types and armchair government bashers backing the liars and fabricationists around the Bundy scamsters, we offer this version, short and sweet.
There is no reason whatsoever for police to have shot only one person. The idea that it was an execution of one person is childish and insane.
The versions out there, the “hands in the air” crap is just that, simply not to be taken seriously. Shame on anyone who is so desperate to pretend to believe an obvious lie just to seem “cool” and “acceptable” to the Jade Helm hoaxter trailer trash.
Grow up. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01...tally-correct/
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Oregon standoff: Judge considers leaders to be flight risks, denies them release
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...d_news_article A federal court judge Wednesday ordered Ammon Bundy and six others accused in the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to remain in jail, calling them flight risks and a danger to public safety.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Barrow argued that they would return to the refuge and "bunker in" with their followers and stage a last violent stand if released.
The government is also concerned about the "dynamic situation involving an ongoing armed occupation," said fellow federal prosecutor, Ethan Knight.
The erstwhile occupiers made their first appearances in a U.S. District Court in Portland, each charged with a single count of conspiracy to impede officers from discharging their duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats. The crime carries a maximum six-year sentence and fines.
Two uniformed Federal Protective Services officers stood guard in the courtroom and a handful assembled inside the courthouse's front doors. More than 20 people were turned away from the hearing after more than 40 others packed the courtroom.
The defendants all were dressed in blue jail smocks over pink T-shirts, a stark change from the standard cowboy hats and jeans that they had worn the last 25 days during their occupation of the federal bird sanctuary outside Burns in Harney County.
Barrow said the group took over "the refuge by force and while armed."
Lisa Hay, Oregon's federal public defender, argued that the government's case is weak and targets several of the defendants for their political speech. On behalf of defendant Ryan Payne, Hay told the court, "Mr. Payne did not engage in violence. The evidence against him is political speech and presence."
All seven of the defendants – six men and one woman -- are set to return to court at 1:30 p.m. Friday to argue for their release in formal detention hearings. Their court-appointed attorneys signaled that they'll argue that the defendants have limited criminal records, stable homes and will return for their court appearances.
A 31-page federal complaint (PDF) alleges that Ammon Bundy and Payne, his fellow occupation leader, visited Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward on Oct. 5 and urged the sheriff to protect Burns area ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven Hammond, from returning to prison on federal arson charges.
Payne and Bundy told the sheriff that if the Hammonds spent one more day in jail, there would be "extreme civil unrest," the complaint said. By mid-December, a video titled "Time for some camping" was posted on a Facebook community page called "Harney County Liberty News." It showed a man announcing that he was doing some "tactical camping" in Harney County and posing outside a "Hammond Ranch Rd." sign, the complaint says.
The document contains extensive quotes and screen shots from multiple blog posts, Facebook videos and news interviews of the defendants, contending Ammon Bundy, his older brother, Ryan Bundy, Payne and their alleged conspirators issued a call to action for others to join them at the refuge in protest of the Hammonds' return to prison and the federal governing of public lands.
It mentions alleged threats and harassment of a woman who was at a Safeway in Burns, wearing a U.S. Bureau of Land Management shirt, and includes photos of at least one defendant sleeping in a refuge building.
Sixteen federal employees who work at the refuge, which covers more than 187,700 acres of habit for 320 bird species, have been prevented from doing any work at the property because of the defendants' threats of violence, the complaint says.
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Occupiers leaving amid mounting calls to end the takeover
Confusion reigned Wednesday at the windswept bird sanctuary that has served as the hub of an anti-government protest that captivated the country 30 miles outside this high desert town.
The Bureau of Land Management learned of the Jan. 2 refuge takeover by watching a live online video stream and was notified by a county sheriff's deputy later that day that a source had told him the occupiers had explosives, night vision goggles and weapons, according to the complaint. The land bureau shut its Burns district office two days later out of concern for the safety of its 80 employees.
On Tuesday afternoon, federal agents and state police moved in to arrest the siege leaders as they drove along U.S. 395 to a planned community meeting about 70 miles north in John Day. They were stopped about 20 miles outside Burns. Standoff spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, 55, of Arizona was shot and killed and Ryan Bundy sustained a minor gunshot wound in the 4:30 p.m. confrontation.
Ammon Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho, was the only one of seven people in court who had a private attorney. The others -- Ryan Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada, Ryan W. Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana, Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada, and Shawna J. Cox, 59, of Kanab Utah, Joseph D. O'Shaughnessy, 43, of Cottonwood, Arizona, known in militia circles as "Captain," and independent broadcaster Pete T. Santilli, 50, of Cincinnati, were appointed public attorneys.
An eighth man, Jon Ritzheimer, 32, of Peoria, Arizona, who surrendered to police in Arizona, will be returned to Oregon for a future court appearance, said Oregon's U.S. Attorney Bill Williams.
All those who appeared in court were polite. Ryan Bundy seemed most relaxed, asking, "How are you today?" to the full courtroom as a deputy U.S. marshal led him in. He then turned to U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie F. Beckerman and said, "Good afternoon, how are you today?"
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Jason Patrick, 2 others linked to Oregon refuge occupation taken into custody
The FBI arrested Jason Patrick, 43,of Bonaire, Georgia, at a checkpoint outside the refuge about 8:40 p.m., authorities said.
Santilli scanned the crowd as he entered the courtroom.
His defense lawyer, Tom Coan, urged the court to release him immediately, describing him as an independent press agent who broadcasts his own show on YouTube.
"He produced on his show a call to action asking unarmed patriots to come out and join them" and suggested some bring flowers, Coan said. Santilli talked about the Second Amendment right to bear arms, Coan said, but made "no call to violence, in fact a suggestion otherwise."
"All he was doing was exercising his First Amendment rights to speak and associate with other people," Coan said.
The federal complaint quotes heavily from Santilli's YouTube videos – he's heard saying he's not armed but "armed with my mouth." The complaint contends Santilli has identified himself as a member of the patriot-affiliated Oath Keepers, wears insignia that indicates he's also affiliated with the III% group and posted a video on Dec. 27 called "Operation Hammond Ranch – Patriot ALL-CALL Deployment to Oregon."
On the day of the refuge takeover, a Santilli video captures Ammon Bundy saying off camera, "We're continuing the stand (at/out) the MNWR .... Let everybody know that. ... They're to go to the MNWR ... after the rally."
Santilli is heard responding, "OK, here we go," the complaint says.
By Jan. 21, Santilli is on camera calling for patriots to "staff up."
"We have a Second Amendment right uh to do that, to keep and bear arms. So those patriots that do keep and bear arms lawfully and constitutionally, it's time to staff up now! Right now," the federal document quotes him saying.
Amy Baggio, O'Shaughnessy's lawyer, described him as a law-abiding man who has minor infractions on his record – a dog-at-large without a collar and a traffic offense. She called him an "excellent candidate to remain out of custody," saying he lives with his mother and has previously worked as an EMT and firefighter though he's currently unemployed.
Federal prosecutors noted in the complaint that O'Shaughnessy was on video talking about setting up a "constitutional security protection force to make sure that these federal agents and these law enforcement don't just come in here like cowboys."
Cox's lawyer, Renee Manes, argued the case against Cox contained few details of specific offenses. She asked the court to have federal authorities return Cox's seized eyeglasses so she could read the full complaint.
Payne, according to the complaint, was stopped by Burns police on Jan. 5 at a McDonald's Restaurant in Harney County, wearing a holster on his hip. The complaint also includes a photo of Payne sleeping in a common room at the refuge and cites a Nov. 20 email he sent encouraging others to "defend the Hammonds."
Hay, the public defender, scoffed at the limited material in the complaint and urged the court to release Payne with conditions. She described Payne as a journeyman electrician with family in Montana.
"Engaging in political speech is not a crime," Hay said.
Barrow countered that the offense is serious and the occupation is ongoing. "He's repeatedly professed his disregard for the powers of the federal government" and likely wouldn't return to court if released, he argued.
Hay shot back, criticizing the government for using someone's "disregard for the powers of federal government" as a reason to keep a person in custody. She called it "anathema to everything we stand for ... the worst kind of argument the government can make."
Ritzheimer is accused of harassing a woman with a Bureau of Land Management shirt that he saw Dec. 18 at a Safeway in Burns. He was with another man, who reportedly shouted, "You're BLM. You're BLM" to the woman and threatened to follow her home and burn her house down, the complaint says. The woman reported seeing Ritzheimer and the other man leave the area in a black pickup and noticed a similar truck outside her home after that encounter, the complaint said.
At the close of the one-and-a-half hour hearing, Ammon Bundy's lawyer made a plea outside the courthouse on his client's behalf, urging those remaining at the refuge to "Please go home."
After the defendants appear Friday for detention hearings, they're set to return to court next Wednesday for preliminary hearings to determine if the government has probable cause to hold them. A second arraignment is scheduled for Feb. 24.
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In rural Oregon, wariness of extremists – and government overreach
While many don't agree with the the militant tactics used in the Ammon Bundy-led standoff, his arrest, along with other protesters is unlikely to shift local perceptions out West that the federal government has an ever-tightening grip on public lands.
https://s1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/1...m_logo_115.jpg By Mark Trumbull 13 hours ago
The arrest of protesters who occupied federal land in central Oregon this month is just a chapter in persistent story of tension over the use public lands in the American West.
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Rancher Ammon Bundy and a handful of his supporters were arrested Tuesday, leaving an unknown number of followers without leadership in their occupation of a building in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
In central Oregon and beyond, many residents of America’s inland West disagree with Mr. Bundy’s defiant tactics – occupying a federal building to protest the prison terms that two Oregon ranchers face for land-use infractions. And many don’t rally around Bundy’s view that vast Western lands really belong to states instead of the federal government.
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Yet the Oregon stand-off, which gained national attention in recent weeks, is the latest symbol of deep and ongoing tension in the West over the right management and use of federal lands – which often account for the majority of acreage in rural counties.
In rural Prineville, Ore., a common refrain among residents is that federal agencies should pay more heed to local interests. In particular, they worry that environmental restrictions have overly constrained the legitimate economic uses of the lands.
"If there's empty land that could be grazed, why not use it?" says Randy Jorgensen, a resident of Prineville, as he does an errand run with toddler in tow.
"We don't have enough wildlife to eat all the grassland" and reduce the fire risks created when the foliage grows too uncontrolled, echoes Shane Quimby, who runs a mobile butchering business in the community.
A lifelong Prineville resident, Mr. Quimby sees a pattern of ever greater restrictions on public lands.
"I think the government's kind of dipping in where they shouldn't," he says, recalling a time when he enjoyed winter recreational access to the Ochoco Mountains without a permit. But now, he says, "you have to pay that $25 snow park permit just to take your kids sledding."
The concerns voiced here, in this community of 9,000-plus residents nestled in the Crooked River basin, echo similar ones held in many western regions where the economy has long hinged on activities like ranching, logging, and farming, but where efforts to protect wildlife habitat and to promote wilderness as a tourist attraction have gained growing prominence in recent decades.
The federal government owns roughly 640 million acres in the United States, or about 28 percent of the nation’s land, according to a 2014 report by the Congressional Research Service. But in eastern states the percentage is fairly low, while the share exceeds 50 percent in states like Oregon, Utah, Idaho, and Alaska, and nears that percentage in California. In Nevada, the share of lands under agencies including the Bureau of Land Management, US Forest Service, and Defense Department is a nation-leading 85 percent.
For many of these lands, multiple uses coexist – from fish hatcheries and forestry to paths traversed by cattle or all-terrain vehicles. But the phrase Sagebrush Rebellion emerged in the 1970s and 1980s to describe residents’ desire for a greater say on land use – and less designation of land as off-limits wilderness. To the perceptions of some rural westerners, the controversies over land use are being worked out over time, balancing the various interests. Others feel the conflicts have intensified in the new millennium. But in any case, the battles over land use aren’t over.
In Prineville, differing views of how federal lands should be managed flared into the open recently because of a proposal, backed by the environmental group Oregon Wild, to set up a new 312,000 acre national recreational area within the Ochoco National Forest. The plan, according to news reports, would designate some of the land as wilderness and also thwart rival plans to expand a system of trails for motorized vehicles.
"That's not going over well at all," says Jerry Crafton, who runs a Prineville business that includes tax-preparation services.
He says he doesn't agree with the occupation tactics taken by Bundy and his colleagues, but he worries about environmental interests running roughshod over the views of locals about how to use the land.
"I understand they have to do some managing of it," he says, but "blocking the land off, that's also not right."
He recalls how local lumber mills shut down years ago, costing many jobs in the area, in efforts to protect the endangered spotted owl.
Jason Ahlman, another resident who works for a local manufacturer, says Prineville used to be known for its wood products, but that now many residents need to commute elsewhere for jobs unless they are ranchers.
He worries about the impact on his community of "the attitude [that] the environment is more important than trying to support your family."
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Atlanta — If you thought the armed occupation of a federal bird refuge in Oregon was simply a battle over land rights, think again.
This week, Ammon Bundy, the leader of the group, complained that Westerners are helpless against a federal foe that is “literally putting [people] into poverty.”
To be sure, since their take-over of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge last weekend, Mr. Bundy and his group have struggled to elicit sympathy and support. But by reframing the issue, Bundy may find a wider audience. And he's right: Poverty in the American West is rising even as it has fallen in the Deep South.
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By raising the plight of poor, mostly white Americans languishing under the thumb of federal land managers provides a poignant insight into recent economic trends as well as a centuries-old fight over land use in the west, one which could, some say, provide these Western range riders common cause with other groups of marginalized Americans.
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After all, America’s unresolved debate over federal management of nearly half the land in Western states – some quarter billion acres, in all, including 87 percent of Nevada – has increasingly come to focus on one stark fact of federal stewardship: As leaders in Washington – including President Obama – have taken a harder line on protecting public lands from loggers, miners, ranchers and others who wish to use it for profit, poverty in the rural West has intensified even as poverty has lifted in the Deep South.
Bundy’s comments are “really the first time [since the Great Depression] where rural people are talking about their fear of poverty and their experience of poverty,” says Catherine McNicol Stock, a Connecticut College historian and author of “Rural Radicals: Righteous Rage in the American Grain.” “White people don’t want to talk about being poor or a small town in Kansas being a white ghetto – nobody’s going to use those terms. What’s remarkable is that these guys are actually saying ‘impoverishment’ and blaming it on government, as opposed to broader structures in society.”
The Bundys, however, may be imperfect messengers.
After all, a big piece of their beef with the federal government is personal, stemming from allegations that Cliven Bundy, the family’s patriarch back in Utah, has refused to pay the federal government over a million dollars in grazing fees. That conflict led to an armed 2014 standoff in Bunkerville, Utah, from which federal agents backed off.
What spurred the current standoff is the sentencing of two members of the Hammond ranching family to five years in prison, even after a state judge deemed such a sentence cruel and “unconscionable.” Like much of Burns, the Hammonds have distanced themselves from the Malheur takeover, complaining about what one columnist dubbed “imported rebels.”
On Thursday, Bundy met with Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who asked Bundy to heed the will of locals and leave. Bundy declined.
Yet the decision by the protesters in Oregon to attempt to redefine the terms of the land debate to one of civil rights – Mr. Bundy invoked Rosa Parks before saying that “we realize we have to act if we want to have anything left to pass down to our children” – is rooted, at least in part, in economic and demographic trends.
Fifty years ago, half of the poor in America lived in the Deep South, a figure that dropped to 41 percent in 2010. Over the same time frame, the West’s share of the nation’s low-income population climbed from 11 percent to 23 percent – remarkable, given that more counties in the West today have fewer than two people per square mile than in 1890.
“Rebellion does seem in order,” writes Joseph Taylor III, for Reuters. “It’s just not Ammon Bundy’s version.” But, he adds, more “Bundy-like spectacles” are likely, given that “they have been occurring for two centuries, and nothing to date has resolved the underlying grievances, many of which are real, legitimate, and fundamental to any lasting resolution.”
As the group on Saturday once again vowed to stay until the feds cede local grazing lands back to the state, there’s evidence that political support for their cause - if not their methods - is growing.
Western legislatures filed 37 bills in 11 states in 2015 pushing for transfer of much of the federal land back to states, as Bundy has demanded in Harney County. A recent report by the Center for Western Priorities shows how a coalition of right-wing extremists, timber companies, and conservative lawmakers have invoked the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s to push for more local regulatory control of valuable land.
Complaints are often localized, but tie into a common refrain.
Oregon resident Joseph Fine told the Wall Street Journal that his parents were forced to quit ranching in the 1980s because federal officials curtailed access to critical grazing lands. "They want to turn it all over for birds instead of cattle," he told the paper.
According to polls, that's fine with most Westerners. Nine out of 10 Westerners surveyed in 2013 by Colorado College said national parks and wildlife preserves are boons to the economy, while only 35 percent said public lands should be made available for "responsible energy development.
Moreover, federal subsidies and government jobs help keep many towns afloat, and low grazing fees have helped make many ranchers wealthy.
And federal land managers say that, with exceptions, they have managed to reach compromise with local stake holders on difficult issues.
“Our employees have been members of this community for over 100 years,” Jason Holm, the spokesman for the US Fish and Wildlife Service, which manages Malheur, told the Wall Street Journal. “We may not always agree, but we’ve worked directly with ranchers and landowners for mutually beneficial goals.”
Yet there’s no doubt that the American West is facing an existential quandary – one which directly contradicts what many see here as the pioneer spirit that, for generations, defined the nation.
As Ammon Bundy pointed out, Harney County, the site of the protest, has gone from Oregon’s wealthiest to its poorest since federal land management tightened in the 1970s. Its timber industry has been decimated under federal land use management.
“When 60, 70 or 80 percent of a county is federally controlled, and the federal policies prevent active management and use of those lands, the result is you have depressed economies, impoverished people, and a lack of hope,” says Rep. Greg Walden (R) of Oregon, who represents Harney County.
San Juan County, Utah, sees 40 percent of its children born into families in persistent poverty – meaning that their conditions haven’t changed for more than three decades. Ninety-two percent of the county is managed by the Bureau of Land Management.
“This is not about the Bundys, it’s not about the Hammond family, or about Burns, Ore. – they’re not creating the problem,” says Phil Lyman, a San Juan County, Utah, county commissioner who was convicted last year on charges related to a protest ATV ride through Recapture Canyon, closed in 2007 to protect the remains of an archaeological excavation. “The problem is what’s being created by these agencies that have no political accountability and no knowledge about the areas they’re affecting so dramatically. They have 100 percent control and zero responsibility. That’s a recipe for disaster. And that’s what’s happening.”
The big question for many is whether continued federal control of vast unpopulated regions is a stopgap measure or a final solution for the West. Many Westerners look at the former frontier states of Illinois and Missouri, which both lobbied for decades before Congress agreed to cede the land to the state government.
But instead of being rapidly populating states close to the East Coast, the Western states with majority federal land ownership are part of a larger emptying-out of the American heartland. Without a growing tax base, it’s questionable, critics say, whether states can even afford to manage the lands, or stem over-exploitation of some of the nation’s grandest natural treasures
Even some of those who sympathize with the Oregon [occupiers' demands] downplay the Transfer of Public Lands (TPL) movement. The percentage of federally-managed land “is not really the issue here,” Rep. Walden tells the Monitor. “The issue is better management, and more active local collaboration.”
“We are moving from economies that are based on resource extraction to economies based on knowledge and service, so that is providing a lot of growing pains as the region changes,” says Jessica Goad, whose progressive organization, the Center for Western Priorities, has started taking a closer look at the impact of federal management on poverty rates. “But we really need to consider more deeply: What does a just transition for rural America look like?”
Francine Kiefer contributed to this article from Washington, D.C.
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Mel Bundy after speaking with his brother confirms that LaVoy was murdered by the FBI.
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Matches the story of the woman that I previously posted in the thread.
Posting it again in case anyone missed it and doesn't want to search through the thread.
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I'm most interested to see your source for saying the 13%-ers were there only "for a few hours"
Ok Mr. Passive Agressive Guy. Post proof that the 3 Percenters stayed longer.
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The Bundy name is one of the 13 Illuminati blood lines. I knew this was a false flag and Bundy would escape with the true people being killed Gordon Kahl style.
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Talent release is so that another news organization, or someone can have use of the live feed that was being recorded.
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The Bundy name is one of the 13 Illuminati blood lines. I knew this was a false flag and Bundy would escape with the true people being killed Gordon Kahl style.
Another member of the NWO Elite Illuminaughty families:
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Talent release is so that another news organization, or someone can have use of the live feed that was being recorded.
:rolleyes:
Why would someone rush to kill the camera feed?
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KrisAnne Hall reveals information which she has personal knowledge
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Look it up right there with the duponts, astors and rothchilds
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Look it up right there with the duponts, astors and rothchilds
I know, but it's a common last name still.
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I've been wondering if Grant county Sheriff Glenn Palmer befriended the Bundy group and then set them up for the ambush. The ambush took place ten miles north of Burns and that would have been in Harney county. I've seen a photo of Sheriff Palmer with a shotgun supposedly at the ambush. He may have been forced to be an unwilling participant or at least be there. I don't know but I'm wondering about it.
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UPDATE: Sheriff Glenn Palmer said in an email his meetings with militants didn't include Ammon Bundy, leader of the occupation.
BURNS – Leaders of the armed protesters holding the national bird sanctuary on Tuesday plan to push their anti-government agenda in Grant County, whose sheriff recommends the government give in to two of their key demands.
Sheriff Glenn Palmer said in a statement to The Oregonian/OregonLive that "the government is going to have to concede something" to end the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
He said freeing a father-son ranching team from prison "would be a start. Sending the FBI home would be a start." He referred to the FBI's lead role in ending the refuge occupation.
"I just pray to God that cooler heads prevail and that no one gets killed," Palmer said.
The sheriff's endorsement of the militants' demands stunned law enforcement officials, most of whom would not publicly discuss the matter.
Malheur County Sheriff Brian Wolfe, who has been helping in Burns, said Palmer's position "doesn't help the cause. If anything, it hampers the effort to end this."
The Grant County community may not know the protesters are coming back. The advertising promoting Tuesday's meeting makes no mention of Ammon Bundy or other occupation leaders. The meeting is set for 6 p.m. at the John Day Senior Center. Promotions urge local citizens to attend to learn about the Constitution and consider forming a Committee of Safety.
Such a committee was a key instrument used by Bundy to marshal local credibility in Harney County. Six citizens, including four ranchers, are now on the Harney County Committee of Safety, working closely with the refuge occupiers to unwind federal involvement in the county.
But LaVoy Finicum, an Arizona rancher who often speaks for the refuge occupiers, said that Ammon Bundy, his brother, and Ryan Payne planned to attend the John Day meeting. Finicum said he would attend too.
Finicum said he expected Bundy and the others to put on the same presentation they gave two weeks ago in the small Harney County community of Crane. There, attendees got lectures on the Constitution and reasons why local ranchers should renounce their federal grazing privileges.
Tad Houpt, the local businessman organizing the John Day meeting, didn't return four telephone messages or respond to written questions about the developments.
He organized the first known foray into Grant County by the militants on Jan. 12.
Ryan Payne and Jon Ritzheimer, two leaders of the occupation, attended a lunch in John Day with about 10 local residents. Palmer was called to the lunch, but said he didn't know ahead of time who was there.
He stayed for the lunch and then joined the group when it adjourned to meet in private at a nearby business.
Ritzheimer said that as the meeting ended, Palmer pulled out his pocket version of the U.S. Constitution.
He had the two militants autograph it, Ritzheimer said.
"We shared similar ideas about where we're at" in the country, Payne said.
"The sheriff has a practical plan for helping unravel the federal government," Payne said. He said the militants didn't ask Palmer to provide sanctuary or any other help to the protesters. He said when Palmer asked if he should visit the occupiers at the refuge, he advised the sheriff he would have to do so independently of his public role since he wouldn't have authority in Harney County.
Jim Sproul, a Grant County businessman who attended the meeting, said the protesters were "clean, nice, very informative."
"What I took away from it is they're no militants," Sproul said. "They're not terrorists. I think they are very patriotic."
Two days or so after that lunch, Payne returned for a second meeting with Palmer. Other law enforcement officials said Ammon Bundy also met with Palmer, but the sheriff said in an email on Monday that "I never met with Ammon Bundy."
County Judge Scott Myers said he was aware of the second meeting but Palmer has shared no details.
"I have no idea whatever what they've discussed," Myers said.
Wolfe, president of the Oregon State Sheriffs Association, said the state's other sheriffs are concerned with Palmer's conduct. He said he asked Palmer for details about the meetings.
"All I've been told is they just wanted to talk to him," Wolfe said. "He's not shared any other details with us at all."
Palmer declined interview requests and answered only a handful of more than two dozen written questions.
"I am not hiding anything," he said in an email.
Palmer said in an email that he got a text message from Ammon Bundy around Jan. 10 asking him to come to the refuge. Palmer didn't address how the militant had the sheriff's cell phone number. Palmer said he advised Bundy he couldn't make such a trip without clearance from David Ward, the Harney County sheriff. Palmer said he was advised not to go.While he wouldn't provide details of his subsequent meetings with the militants, Palmer said, "There are no and never has been any public safety concerns that would indicate that these people put our community at risk or in jeopardy."
In Harney County, the protesters in November and December pressed Ward to create a sanctuary to stop the imprisonment of ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son Steven. They returned to federal prison Jan. 4 to finish sentences for arson convictions. The militants insisted Ward had a constitutional duty to protect the Hammonds from what they considered unlawful imprisonment.
Bundy and his men are likely to find a receptive audience in Grant County and with Palmer. County residents have grown increasingly restive about the slow pace of restoring logging on the Malhuer National Forest and have bristled at plans to close forest service roads.
Palmer is aligned with the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, a national nonprofit which interprets the constitution to severely limit federal government powers. Palmer was the association's first "Constitutional Sheriff of the Year" in 2011 and now serves on its advisory board.
He often speaks critically of the federal government, particularly the U.S. Forest Service, which is a major land owner in his county.
"The only thing that is out of control is the federal government," Palmer said in a 2011 speech in California to a group considering constitutional issues.
"I am not a public employee. I am a public servant," said Palmer.
He warned the audience that federal authorities were eroding water, mining and other resource rights.
"Don't let them take them from you," he said. "Stand up and defend for what you believe in."
Palmer ended a joint policing agreement with the Forest Service because it wouldn't submit to his authority.
"They have no constitutional authority" to perform police functions in Grant County, he said.
More recently, Palmer crafted a local plan that he believed mandated how the Forest Service could manage its lands. He said he needed local input to ensure he could protect the public and stop federal acts such as closing forest roads.
But the county's attorney said Palmer misread the law and the Constitution.
"There is no authority in the U.S. Constitution, Forest Service legislation or the [management] rule that afford any priority to the sheriff's plan," attorney Ron Yockim wrote to county commissioners last October.
-- Les Zaitz
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I know, but it's a common last name still.
Sure, i see what you are saying. Given the gravity of the whole situation it did make me think he might be one of the illuminati bundy's
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I've been wondering if Grant county Sheriff Glenn Palmer befriended the Bundy group and then set them up for the ambush. The ambush took place ten miles north of Burns and that would have been in Harney county. I've seen a photo of Sheriff Palmer with a shotgun supposedly at the ambush. He may have been forced to be an unwilling participant or at least be there. I don't know but I'm wondering about it.
A lot of other people have had the same thought. We probably will never know all the facts.
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This is the complete video footage of a joint FBI and Oregon State Police traffic stop and OSP officer-involved shooting of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. This footage, which has only been edited to blur out aircraft information, was taken by the FBI on 01/26/2016 and released by the FBI on 01/28/2016.
:rolleyes: released just hours ago
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Looked like murder to me and I'd hang every one of those sons of bitches. What I saw was a 54 year old man jump out of a vehicle and try to walk or run in deep snow with slick soled cowboy boots and it would be extremely difficult to do that without your arms going up and down. I've done that sort of thing plenty.
If they took a shot at Ryan Payne when they were stopped the best thing he could have done for himself and the rest of the people in the vehicle was to try and put some distance between them and the shooters.
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Looked like murder to me and I'd hang every one of those sons of bitches. What I saw was a 54 year old man jump out of a vehicle and try to walk or run in deep snow with slick soled cowboy boots and it would be extremely difficult to do that without your arms going up and down. I've done that sort of thing plenty.
If they took a shot at Ryan Payne when they were stopped the best thing he could have done for himself and the rest of the people in the vehicle and was to try and put some distance between them and the shooters.
It looked like murder to me too. Did you notice the lasers dots on his head after he was down in the snow? I couldn't see if they fired more or not. It certainly wasn't justified.
