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Brad Steffy is probably the most unbiased writer reporting on government overreach events in and around Oregon. His report on the Ryan Bundy situation:
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OwO shared Bundy Ranch's video.
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FROM THE INSIDE;
"I'M COMPLYING! I'M GOING!"
The pleading words of Ryan Bundy as he was being beaten by Sheriff deputy's at the Multnomah County JailI. It was described by Ammon to be "hard to watch" as they smashed his head into the steel door pillar and slammed him to the floor with a horrific thud as his face hit the concrete floor.
A fellow inmate who was released yesterday described his injuries as facial lacerations and a split in the back of his head.
It's difficult to comprehend that these things occur behind the closed doors of our Jails and Prisons. Many would say don't commit crimes and you won't be in a position to have to deal with this. I was once one of those.
But after learning of so many wrongfully accused people snared and dropped into this environment, my sentiment is shifting.
Not to mention, a person who IS guilty of a crime deserves an appropriate defense and appropriate treatment.
Keep in mind, Ryan Bundy, Ammon Bundy and the others are NOT criminals. They are merely citizens who have been ACCUSED of crimes. They are not supposed to even be in jail, rather they should have been allowed to post bail and be with their families until they are tried and found guilty or innocent.
Their case is weak against the Bundy's, they know it, but their trying to force them into a plea bargain as they realize their chances of a conviction on all counts is near zero and they may not get any conviction at all.
What they do in this situation is coerce them with fear of the potential for years of prison in hopes they can convince them to plea to a lessor charge. Unfortunately, it's a very effective process which generally leads to the success of the prosecution.
Ryan seems to have an Iron will and they're trying to break him. He refuses counsel, is defending himself and maintaining his resistance to allowing them to take the bullet from his shoulder for good reason. That may be his only bargaining chip against their massive leverage and it's evidence which is very useful to his own defense.
Keep in mind, Ryan was merely a passenger in a vehicle trying to find safe harbor at the Sheriffs office when he was shot. He didn't have a weapon, fire a weapon or point a weapon at anyone. They didn't "perceive" him to be a threat or have any inclination that he would be a threat. Yet, he was shot. The bullet that resides in him is unaccounted for.
What they have done with this entire event is place the evidence in line with a story that paints this as a justified event. Without this evidence, they can't continue their story. If this is an OSP round, their story doesn't check out. If it's an FBI round, the FBI story doesn't check out.
Both sides are vulnerable because if they conclude their "investigation" and this bullet conflicts with their story, heads will roll. The Deschutes County team of "independent" investigators have already committed themselves to their story which has holes all over it if you read it carefully in conjunction with the autopsy report and the debriefing redacted statements.
From all accounts, and their are many, from inside the jail, this was an egregious violation of his rights and charges should be brought against those who beat him. In particular in spite of the fact he hasn't even been tried or convicted yet.
Ammon has acquired numerous affidavits from witnesses who will testify that he was not resisting and was unmercifully abused, mocked, and humiliated by the deputy's. For the record and accuracy, Ryan said the US Marshall's were respectful and conducted themselves professionally when he was handed off to them.
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Ammon Bundy would like to share with you what happened to his brother Ryan today at the jail. We still live in a country where men are innocent until proven guilty, don't we? We need your help to stop these abuses, Please listen and share.
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Comment from Bundy Ranch facebook. They must have been looking for the affidavits the other inmates wrote up for Ammon.
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Dan Sabrosky Ammon Bundy as per Lisa Bundy had his cell destroyed today by guards while he was in a meeting with his attorney. 503-988-5060 then hit 0 a sheriff deputy on duty tonighy will answer and try transfer you. Voice your concern before he does.
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Update from Ryand Bundy's wife Angie
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Message from Angie Bundy:
Ok...here is the latest, my lovely people....Ryan had his "hearing" yesterday. This is a matter that is done in the jail, and an employee of the jail is the "judge". She heard the side of the deputies, but interrupted Ryan, and would not listen to his side of the story. He maintains that the whole reason that he was taken out of his cell in the first place was fraudulent...there was no court, and he sat in the courthouse all day long.
Of course, he was beaten soundly before hand. His wrist was dislocated, his thumb either broken or dislocated, he is having knee trouble, and he has head injuries.
All of that aside...he never resisted, other than grab the railing on the staircase to prevent his fall. Anyhow, because of the court proceeding, Ryan was given a guilty verdict because of his "crimes" and will not be out of solitary or "segregation" as they like to call it until September 17...weeks after trial.
In the mean time, trial is right around the corner. He can in no way prepare for his defense. He is so strong, though, and he says that he feels strength... I am positive because of all of the prayers.
We are still working on someone to transcribe his version of events. I think we have that lined out now. He has hand written it, but doesn't get enough of a phone call time to record it.
I truly believe that they orchestrated all of this to injure him somehow and so they would have an excuse to have a medical emergency...they then could have conveniently removed evidence from his injured arm....you can call me a tin-foil hat person, or whatever, but all of this just doesn't add up, and just between us...I look fab in a tinfoil hat, so yeah...let's hear some of your theories about the situation.
I am still leaving messages for the jail, and it feels so frustrating that I am his wife...the woman who is supposed to take care of him, and I am powerless to fix this and all of the troubles he faces.
~Chastity
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Darrell Qualls I second that request and in fact demand it.
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Eden Riley Borrowman Why didn't any of these very serious-sounding injuries get mentioned in his recent filing for an extension? A broken thumb or dislocated wrist should have definitely been mentioned in the medical review he underwent after the incident.
To quote Hamlet, "something's rotten in the state of Denmark." Where the "rot" lies--with the prison staff or with Ryan Bundy himself--is unclear.
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The Oath I would like to see the report also.
~Chastity
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The Oath If these injures did occur then some people need to lose their jobs!
~Chastity
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Marie Brown If true, his standby attorney should have mentioned it in his filing. Instead no mention made , by Ryan either.
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Eden Riley Borrowman It's also possible he did sustain these injuries, but that they were justified--a result of the deputies trying to subdue and cuff him because he actually did resist.
Still, even in this scenario, surely it would have been noted on his medical evaluation. And I find it hard to believe there is no video (though considering how differently people interpret the LaVoy Finicum video, perhaps it really wouldn't settle anything).
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Christine Bell Prayers for Ryan & Angie Huntington Bundy & their precious family.
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Melissa Langley I Love Tin Foil Myself. I pray for Ryan and for the truth to prevail.
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Mary Endres I am confused. The description of the event and injuries keep changing. Ryan's court filing didn't make it sound nearly this bad. Is there any way to find out what really happened?
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Oregon Redoubt News getting the word out on prisoner treatment at Mutlnomah County jail in Portland, Oregon. Livestock are treated better.
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It was determined that he was guilty of disruptive behavior and has been sentenced to solitary confinement until September 17th, weeks after the trial is scheduled to begin.
August 13, 2016 Constitution, FBI, Featured, Oregon
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What have they done to Ryan Bundy?
By Shari Dovale
Ryan Bundy is in Solitary Confinement until after his trial. This means that he will have limited opportunities to prepare for defending his freedom. How did this happen?
Bundy was a major player in the political protest that took place at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Harney County this past January. On January 26, 2016, the FBI, in coordination with Oregon State Police (OSP), staged an illegal “Deadman’s Roadblock” which resulted in the murder of LaVoy Finicum. It also left a bullet, or possibly a fragment of a bullet, in the arm of Ryan Bundy.
The FBI agents are already under investigation for lying during that incident. They claimed that they did not fire their weapons. However, it has been shown that there were two bullet casings that were illegally removed from the scene. All of OSP’s shots have been accounted for, therefore the shots seem to have come from the FBI.
This is all relevant because of the bullet left in Bundy’s arm. It was never removed, even though he was treated for it after being arrested. This could be crucial evidence of the FBI cover-up.
Bundy has maintained that he does not give permission to State or Federal authorities to remove the evidence from his arm. He has said that he is willing to have it removed, however, he has certain conditions under which he will agree, including having an independent forensic analysis done. The Federal authorities refuse these terms.
Therefore the bullet remains in Ryan Bundy.
This has caused some worrisome days for the FBI, as this bullet could be the evidence that proves the case for these political prisoners. They have been incarcerated for over 6 months for staging a political protest, and bringing the government over reach to the limelight of the country. They are scheduled for trial on September 7, 2016.
Early last week, Ryan was taken to a hearing in which the government attempted to convince Bundy to allow them to remove the evidence from his arm. He reiterated his terms for removal and the government, again, denied those terms. They do not want anyone other than themselves to retain, and analyze, the evidence against them.
Bundy was returned to his cell at Multnomah County Jail.
This past Tuesday, August 9th, Ryan Bundy was awakened early by several guards. He was told to get up, as he had “an appointment.” Bundy did not refuse to go, however, he did ask them where he was going. This question was deemed inappropriate and considered to be “refusing” to follow the guards orders.
By just asking a question.
They proceeded to manhandle him out of his cell. When they got to the stairway, one guard, Sgt. Curtis E. Sanders, actually attempted to push Ryan down the stairs. He was severely hurt, with his wrist dislocated, his thumb either broken or dislocated, knee trouble, and head injuries.
Yes, this happened and it is under an official investigation. The guards have not been relieved of their duties. They have not been placed on administrative leave, or any other status. But, it is claimed that there is an ‘Official’ investigation into how Ryan Bundy received such severe injuries.
Bundy was taken to the courthouse that day and made to sit for hours. He had no hearing or conference scheduled or completed. There were suspicions that he would be taken to a hospital to have the bullet evidence forcibly removed from his arm, but that did not happen. The evidence remains within his arm.
While he was away from the jail, all of his belongings, including his trial preparation documents were thrown into garbage bags and removed from his cell.
After he was returned to the jail, Bundy was given an internal “hearing” for his bad behavior in asking where he was being taken. This “hearing” was conducted by internal employees, not an official judge. He was not allowed to defend himself, he was barely allowed to speak. All evidence was presented by the guards involved in the assault on him.
It was determined that he was guilty of disruptive behavior and has been sentenced to solitary confinement until September 17th, weeks after the trial is scheduled to begin.
This should be considered cruel and unusual punishment, as he has been severely limited in his abilities to prepare for trial, as well as his current physical health due to the assault by the guards. How does a citizen of the USA defend his freedom under these circumstances?
But is this is business as usual in the Multnomah County Jail? Is it becoming commonplace for inmates to die in Multnomah, as there have been at least 2 deaths since the first of the year?
More recently, a video surfaced of a man as he was released from Multnomah He described abuses that took place in the jail. Richard Eldridge was incarcerated on charges of ‘Failing to properly use 911’, then he was later released with no charges. He showed evidence of abuse during his time within Multnomah. A very telling video describing Constitutional violations that are normal in this country.
http://youtu.be/Py9Aw3fn_Hc
And yet, some still wonder why the Bundy’s, and others, are still trying to highlight these abuses to the citizens. They won’t wonder if they ever end up on the receiving end of this uncontrollable government injustice.
http://oregon.redoubtnews.com/2016/0...ne-ryan-bundy/
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Trent Loos podcast with Utah attorney Todd McFarlane discuss Oregon trials
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Ammon Bundy files, through his attorneys, a 28 page motion in limine why he should be allowed to inform the jury of his intended adverse possession.
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The full 28 pages are posted here:
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This is a folowup article Todd MacFarlane wrote after his radio broadcast with Trent Loos.
This case is nothing more than this government's attempt to destroy the right to own property, the right of freedom of speech and assembly, and implimenting Agenda 21.
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Assault on Judicial Transparency: From 4th Amendment to Lengthy Pre-Trial Detention & One-Sided Plea Deals
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This is another follow-up to my previous BFP pieces about the lack of transparency in the so-called justice system.
When I started on this subject I had not planned on focusing so much on the Bundy case(s), but, at least for the time being, they keep providing such good examples of both the judicial transparency issue I’ve been talking about, and some other basic legal reality check principles, that I can’t resist continuing to use relevant examples from those cases.
Last week the Internet, including Twitter, was abuzz with a story about Ryan Bundy. What really happened is anybody’s guess. According to the Bundy family and their supporters, as reported by Fox News, at a time when no court hearings were scheduled, Ryan was forcibly transported from the Multnomah County Jail, and taken somewhere. The concern was that he was being taken to a hospital to be subjected to forced surgery, against his will, to remove something from his arm or shoulder. That something was a bullet, bullet fragment, or shrapnel, depending on who you ask. Ryan received it as part of an injury he sustained at the stop when LaVoy Finicum was killed.
Other journalists less sympathetic to the Bundy case reported that the whole incident was exaggerated, dramatized, and they questioned both whether there was in fact any bullet or bullet fragment, as well as why Ryan wouldn’t want to have it removed to serve as evidence of some sort. One of the alleged points of contention surrounded the question of what would happen to such alleged evidence, and who it would belong to. According to Ryan’s reported reasoning, as long as the object remained in his body, he would maintain in physical possession and control of it, whereas if it was removed, who knows what might happen to it.
Multiple media sources have reported that regardless of the reason(s) for Ryan’s apparent temporary removal from the jail that day, when jail guards came to get him, some sort of scuffle ensued between Ryan and the guards, and as a result of that purported scuffle, upon his return, Ryan has subsequently been moved to “disciplinary” quarters, including solitary confinement.
Now, for purposes of this discussion, here’s the most important point: According to Aimee Green at the Oregonian, there were no court records explaining where or why Bundy was being taken. According to her, there was nothing on the court calendar, including some kind of hearing or court proceeding, that would explain what had happened. So regardless of the conflicting stories about what had happened, apparently there was no way to actually confirm or verify anything.
This is a subject Cheri Roberts and I discussed on her Challenging the Rhetoric radio program last week. Cheri wanted to know what would be required, legally, to do what the Bundys were suggesting had happened, and why Ryan might be opposed to it – because, arguably, extraction of whatever was in his arm might provide definitive evidence regarding the ongoing investigation into the actions of FBI HRT members during the fatal stop that resulted in LaVoy Finicum’s death, which is a good point.
As I explained to Cheri, however, regardless of the fact that Ryan is being held in pre-trial custody, the Fourth Amendment still provides protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. And any such purported surgery would be considered and treated as a search, and recovery of any object(s) would be considered and treated as a seizure of evidence. Under the constitution, in order to undertake anything of that nature, even with someone in custody, who has been deprived of their liberty, in the absence of valid, voluntary consent, there must be constitutionally adequate due process, including reasonable notice and a meaningful opportunity to be heard.
Any such procedure without consent, and against a person’s will would require a warrant or court order, signed by a judge, following procedures constituting due process. In other words, it’s not just something that jail guards, jail administrators, law enforcement, including the FBI, or the Justice Department can lawfully do without a court order. It has to be ordered by a judge. And any time such due process occurs in the court system, there is supposed to be a record of the proceeding. And that brings us back to the whole transparency issue that I have been talking about.
Ever since last week, no one really seems to know what actually happened. Upon Ryan’s return to the jail, apparently he was placed in “disciplinary quarters” and solitary confinement, so he hasn’t had much of a chance to communicate or talk to anyone, and court records don’t seem to shed light on any of this. And it’s not just Bundy-bashers who are interested in this sort of thing. Ryan has a family. He has a wife and children. They all want, and deserve, to know what is going on with him. But, for a variety of reasons, there appears to be a woeful lack of transparency.
On this point, one of the phrases we often hear – especially when it comes to judicial processes -- is: “the record speaks for itself.” And that is supposed to mean something. There is supposed to be a record, and when there is, there is no need to speculate about it, because the record speaks for itself. In a truly transparent system, that would be the case. We could look at the record and know exactly what was going on. But, as this situation illustrates, apparently that is not always the case.
And speaking of the T-word, for the sake of transparency, Cheri Roberts wanted to know why Ryan might not want to have the object removed from his arm, to possibly help answer and resolve some lingering, unanswered questions. I told her I couldn’t speculate as to Ryan’s motives in that regard, but as I explained to her, transparency is something we expect and require of our governments. Individuals, on the other hand, have a right of privacy, and are not required to be transparent. As a general rule, in the absence of probable cause, due process, and other requirements, individuals are not required to waive their privacy; they are not required to have their persons, places and papers invaded, and cannot be forced to testify and provide evidence against themselves. The constitution protects individual privacy.
And here’s a big point that many people seem to forget – especially in this case, that I later had the opportunity to discuss in more detail with Trent Loos on Rural Route Radio. Prior to trial, after a person has been accused and charged with a crime – even while that person is being held in pre-trial custody, they are entitled to a constitutional presumption of innocence. What this means, among other things, is that they are entitled to substantive and procedural due process; they are entitled to their full Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure, and; nothing that happens during the pre-trial phase or custody is supposed to be any form of “punishment.” Punishment is only supposed to be imposed once a person has been convicted – either by admission, or after being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The only reasons a person is supposed to be held in custody pending trial, is based on legitimate concerns that they might attempt to abscond, and fail to appear for future court proceedings, including trial, or that they pose a genuine threat to themselves or public safety. In most cases, bail is sufficient to insure court appearances, and that is the method most often used as a substitute for pre-trial detention.
And that certainly raises some interesting questions in this case, where so many of the defendants have now entered into plea deals after being held so long in pre-trial detention. The reality is, the conditions in pre-trial detention – especially for federal inmates – are usually much worse than post-trial incarceration. In my view, one of the government’s big strategies in this case has been the use of lengthy pre-trial detention – whether it is warranted and justifiable or not – as leverage to get some of the defendants to make plea deals.
I have been scratching my head about this particular issue for months. How can the government possibly justify such extensive pre-trial detention for so many of these defendants? That the government might charge some of them is one thing (I have said on multiple occasions, that I don’t think some of the defendants, including Wes Kjar, for example, should have ever been charged in the first place, and if the government wanted to get rid of those cases, the charges should have been dismissed outright), but to insist on holding so many of them in pre-trial detention for so long is another matter entirely. And I can’t see the legitimate justification.
In my view, Dave Bundy, who is currently being held in Nevada, is a prime example of this. That Dave might be charged with something is one thing (it will be interesting to see what evidence is ultimately presented), but the only reason I can see that the government would insist on holding him in custody for months pending trial (it will be close to a year by the time the case finally goes to trial in early 2017) is purely for harassment, and presumed guilt by association, because his last name is Bundy.
As part of the government’s one-size-fits-all approach in these cases, unreasonable pre-trial detention appears to be a big part of the government’s strategy in pressuring a whole bunch of the Defendants to enter plea deals, purportedly “admitting” that they engaged in a conspiracy to impede federal officers. On that score, to the extent many of these defendants were part of any alleged conspiratorial agreement, I seriously doubt that the affect such actions might have on federal employees even occurred to them, let alone served as any kind of motivating force. Under this theory, one might argue that the federal government shutdown in October 2013 was a conspiracy to impede federal officers, and that all congressmen who did not vote for the Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2014, were part of the conspiracy. One of the big issues becomes the question of who, if anyone, might have actually intended to impede federal officers.
For many of these defendants, however, having been left with the impression that once the government had locked them in custody, it fully intended to throw away the key, the thought of better treatment in prison – in the post-trial, punitive phase of the process -- rather than prolonged pre-trial detention was probably an incentive to do a plea deal – even if it meant admitting to things they never did, including, in Wes Kjar’s case, things they never even had an opportunity to do – just to reach a resolution and move on.
When it comes to plea deals in this case, there is anything but a level playing field. The government has all the leverage, and seems to be using it to full advantage.
Finally, and in all fairness to the bashers, there is no question, the actions of some of these defendants (including a wide variety of bizarre court filings) are not helping their cause in this regard. Many of them have now insisted on representing themselves, and have made a variety of statements and court filings that raise all kinds of questions, including challenges to the court’s authority, oath of office, etc. While I seriously question the wisdom of much of what they have done in this regard, objectively, the bottom line is the vast majority of it amounts to nothing more than “political speech.” Among other things, they are exercising their right to freedom of expression and freedom of speech – which they still have a right to do, because they have not yet been convicted. But they are saying things the federal government does not want to hear, and it certainly appears that they are being punished for expressing such views, even at this stage of the proceedings. In fact, one could argue that most of the pre-trial detentions in these cases are nothing more than pre-trial punishment for political speech. To a large extent, what they are doing seems to be the functional equivalent of what other political dissidents have done, around the world, and ended up being jailed indefinitely in places like China or the USSR for criticizing their own governments. In this case, it appears that the biggest so-called crime, and the one for which they are being subjected to lengthy pre-trial detention, is political speech against the government. In that sense, their situation does bear similarities to political prisoners around the world. There are parallels between how they are being treated, and how so-called enemy combatants are treated by the U.S. Government, at places like Guantanamo Bay. And there seems to be little question that the government has chosen to use these defendants as examples, to show the rest of the country what can happen when you become too vocal, too critical of our government.
Once again, if all this leaves you scratching your head, you’re not the only one.
# # # # #Todd Macfarlane, Newsbud-BFP Legal Analyst, is an attorney, rancher, writer, political activist, conservationist and commentator. Although he is comfortable wearing several different hats, beyond faith, family and grass-fed livestock ranching, his primary interests include natural law, property rights, western land-use, political policy, and what he often refers to as the “so-called justice system.”
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Ssg. 'Moe' Maureen Peltier interviews protester Matt Langston outside Multnomah Coutny Jail about prisoner abuse
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Facebook post written by a friend of Lisa and Ammon Bundy regarding todays court proceedings
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This information was forwarded to me regarding today's court proceedings.
This information is from SRB who is close friends with Ammon and Lisa Bundy. As she states her opinion is biased.
~Chastity
SRB update:
Ok many of you asked me to call you regarding court today. We just got out not too long ago and I have to run to help with some court paperwork so I'll post it here for everyone and hopefully, it gets to those I promised. so sorry, it isn't very personal but there is a lot to do before the end of the night. Keep in mind these thoughts on what I saw, heard, and witnessed are coming from a very biased supporter. I'm not a blog talk radio person, I'm not a news person, I am an individual who lives close to Ammon and Lisa Bundy and I love them as if they were my own family. so of course my opinions and thoughts are going to be very bias. Having said that, don't continue reading if you're not ok with that.
Many good and not so good things to share. I'll end on a positive note.
Ryan Bundy does not look good. Def has bruising on his face, black circles around his eyes, hasn't been able to shave, ect. Seeing him today made my heart hurt even more than it has during all of this. I hope Ammon is ok with me sharing this story publicly. He shared it with me last night during our visit and it touched my heart. I feel like people need to hear it. Those who don't know these political prisoners need to know the types of people we are talking about here. So there is a guy in the cell next to Ryan in segregation who screams and yells at random times, bangs on his cell door, and says he has demons inside of him causing him to do this. He throws his feces all over the place and does many random things. Ammon said Ryan started talking to him and when he has these outbursts in the middle of the night, Ryan will say his name and ask him if the demons are getting him again. The guy next to him will respond and say yes and so then Ryan will start to sing a church song to him and it calms this prisoner down and allows him to go back to sleep or if during the day, Ryan's singing calms him down and stops the yelling and banging. Ryan is not a dangerous criminal. He is a kind hearted, loving soul.
Ok I got distracted.....back to the pre-trial hearing
Jurors Judge Brown allowed into the pool even after reading these comments from them:
-I don't believe the public should be allowed to carry guns. Only the police and law enforcement should be able to
-I am an attorney, I believe laws were broken. The whole thing was ineffective and stupid. The second amendment should be amended.
-person who works with the prosecution's wife was kept in the "possible jury" pile.
-prosecution tried hard to argue why it would be appropriate to keep a person who stated he was former OSP and lives in Harney County but Judge Brown threw that one out.
-juror who's stepson is FBI stayed in the "possible juror" stack
-person employed by the BLM is allowed to remain in the "possible juror" stack
-The only Juror packet read in its entirety by Judge Anna Brown was one that started out by juror admitting that he may have referred to the armed occupiers as "impotent gun nuts" on his Facebook. Was she actually thinking this one might be a good fit?
-Lisa Bundy you had said that they weren't going to have trial on Fridays when you were trying to plan but today Judge Brown said that trial will be on Fridays as well but will not be held on Friday Sept. 30th
-person who openly admitted in his questionnaire that he struggles with the English language and may not understand all that is being said in trial, was allowed to remain in "possible juror" stack.
-person who said yes I believe it was wrong to take over a place and yes I believe they broke the law, was allowed to stay in the "possible juror" stack because he said he MAY be able to set his opinion aside.
-person who said he/she was opponent of gun rights and doesn't believe the 2nd amendment gives people the right to carry arms. He said these people took up arms against the US for greed and nothing else. Judge Brown threw that one out. Yay win for us. Lol
-loved the moment Morgan Philpot used Judge Brown's own words on a previous reason why she was dismissing someone. Previously Judge Brown said anybody who holds an erroneous position against the law will be dismissed. So on the several people who said they were opposed to gun rights Philpot brought up a good point. He said I carry a gun, because I have a gun right. You are opposed to me having that right, therefore you hold an erroneous position against the law. She didn't go with it, but it made complete sense in my mind.
-prosecution objects to allowing a person in who says the BLM does not have the authority to own land. Judge quickly tries to dismiss that person. Nobody on the defense team says anything so Ryan Bundy steps in and starts to state his objection to the prosecution objecting and judge brown immediately shuts him up. Ryan then brings to the courts attention that the defense did not have an opportunity to argue why this person should not be dismissed and Judge Brown then sheepishly agrees to keep the person in the possible juror selection.
-prosecution has a lot of supposed evidence that sounds like this "every time he went to the Safeway through the months of November and December, he saw armed men that he believed were militia." judge Brown made it very clear today to the prosecution that their "evidence" presented in trial needs to be very specific with names, dates, ect. No hearsay and no assumptions. Guns found at the refuge are alleged to be in the amount of 361 and was narrowed down to 250 with specific proof and may need to be narrowed down even further. Prosecution tried hard to argue against that. Judge Brown made Barrow stumble on his words and get fidgety. She told him "you're still woosing me" and asked him to stay on point.
-defense attorney got up to talk to one of the marshals and as he sat back down in his seat judge brown stopped in the middle of the discussion to ask this defense attorney if he needed something or if he was just "adjusting himself"
-Bunkerville may apply to this case enough to include it in trial but LaVoy's murder doesn't?? If allowed Agent Jason Curry will take the stand.
Phew.....I think that is it. Feel free to add your thoughts and points if you were at court today as well. :)
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Monty, I appreciate you keeping this thread up to date. thanks
