Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Dachsie, if you want to hear a bitter MCP screech about losing his AFP job, listen to this "free" one LOL, beginning @ 57 mins when MCP comes on. I comment on the podcast here; and further down that thread "fauxcapitalist" posts a minute-marked recap. There's another comment from me further below fauxcapitalist's.
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
I was poking around youtube, and this vid came up from Tyranny News Network, TNN, the one who "improved" Sofia's S.Hoax vid. It's from late March, check link for 28 comments:
A Response to the Accusations of Deception Advanced by Deanna Spingola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gchpAeJDZdM
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Thank you for the links. I have just listened to or read most of them.
I have to say your posting...
11th March 2014, 01:37 AM #76
PatColo
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Is bordering on absolutely brilliant. I wanted to summarize Spingola's behavior, without having to spend much more time on her, but you did it so perfectly in your "jooey rhetorical manipulation gambits" (JRMG) idea.
Now I see why you, PatColo, often refer to Spingola as "Delphi Deanna".
I remember reading Beverly Eakman's first book, Cloning of the American Mind: Eradicating Morality through Education, many years ago. I actually exchanged a few emails with Beverly Eakman.
I remember listening many times to Eakman on Dr. Stan Monteith's radio show. She helped me a lot understand the Delphi Technique (DT), but I must comment that her exposure of the Delphi Technique, and the Delphi Technique official documentation from the Rand Institute in California, has mainly or exclusively to do with GROUP DYNAMICS. In other words the DT as used in a group situation, a room full of people at a conference on in a special purpose meeting of people.
Of course, the DT employs some of the tried and true manipulative tactics that all of us observe in many aspects of life, so Cass Sunstein's "cognitive infiltration" theory on how to infiltrate the "conspiracy" crowd and groups also includes some of those generic manipulation techniques, but Sunstein's plan involves much more than the comparatively simple Delphi Technique.
Here is a good downloadable radio show
Guns and Butter, for September 22, 2010
Guns and Butter – September 22, 2010 at 1:00pm
http://kpfaweb.kpfa.org/misc/utiliti...out/player.swf
Click to listen (or download)
“Cognitive Infiltration: An Obama Appointee’s Plan to Undermine the 9/11 Truth Movement” with researcher, Tod Fletcher.
(Tod Fletcher was a guest on one of Dr. Flether's Real Deal archived radio shows.)
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I still do not find any words of Piper's saying he was "fired" from AFP, only that he has some "situation with AFP". That show I listened to showed Piper distancing himself from direct involvement at AFP when he claimed he has not been on the staff but has only been a "consultant" for about the last ten years. So if what Piper said is true, it would not even be possible for AFP to fire him, because he is not technically an employee of AFP.
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Piper consistently does not discuss the "facts on the ground" that we have tried to expand on and explain in our reasoning. I have seen many times over the years disputes in online and radio discussions that I see clearly coming from the use of the word "evidence." Everybody seems to vacillate in their meaning/use of that word. That is why I have started using the term "facts on the ground" and by that I mean observations that we need to investigate to the fullest of our abilities. We need to see if there are indications that the "fact" is indeed a fact or if there are signs that it is a false or faked element, and so on. If it is a real fact, it may or may not lead to something that reaches the level of "evidence." I try to keep in mind the legal and scientific criteria for evidence.
Again, I do not like to spend much time on Spingola as I regard her as a minor player. I have exchanged emails with her and I observed in that the old "JRMG" routine. She does not answer clear direct questions and skips on to other subjects. She also consistently exhibits what I call "paranoid ideations", i.e., everybody is persecuting her, same personality characteristics I see in Dr. Judy Wood, and also in Mark Glenn and Michael Piper for that matter.
One thing I will say for Spingola, she writes well and turns out a good article...such as this one...
http://www.dailystormer.com/false-flags-for-israel/
False Flags for Israel
Deanna Spingola
September 14, 2013
I think DS has spent much of her time telling us about the Joo connections to the CIA and the FBI, as has Michael Piper. That is why I find it especially incomprehensible that she cannot see the FBI's machinations in the Sandy Hook event, to say nothing of the many other Zionist / Jew characteristics of other aspects of Sandy Hook.
To tell you the truth, I have stopped trying to figure out who is an "agent" or an "op" and who is not.
I just try to focus on sincerely seeking the truth and trying to avoid being manpulated or "taken in" myself and not joining groups.
I am just trying to focus on things like Wolfgang Halbig appears to be attempting. He is going through the system for the purpose of getting us more information about Sandy Hook. Whatever the response of "the officials" in Newtown, we will gain information, though perhaps not the solid kind of information about the actual event that we so need.
I am still a bit fuzzy on the chronology of all these people who jumped shark on Sandy Hook, and some on Boston too, but it appears it had its genesis with the Mark Glenn / Michael Piper dynamic duo. I just see the results of their "jumping" or taking a 180 degree turn in their way of viewing these big events, starting I guess with the USS Liberty back in the 60s. I observed a coming together in agreement of the very diverse truth seekers ("Truth movement") on the two events, Sandy Hook and Boston, and now since these shark jumpers did their thing, this solidarity has been lost. We are more split up than ever.
No thank you, Cass and Mike and Deanna, for the great confusion and division and untruth you have injected into our efforts.
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
^ thanks again for the strokes Dachsie. As I said above somewhere, I didn't anticipate this Delphi-Deanna/Sandy Hoax business to extend much beyond her Jan 15 jumping-the-shark show described in the OP. I figured that show would be a "one-off anomaly" for Delphi, and she'd move on resuming her formerly excellent shows/guests. But as we've seen, that has not been the case! She just got nastier & nastier... and this Delphi/Shark thread has consequently become sort of a 'blog' documenting & deconstructing her joospew.
As to "Delphi-Deanna", that's intended to highlight the joowey irony/hypocrisy, the joowey/Orwellian Newspeak/inversion-of-reality, which I find so conspicuous in her S.Hoax campaign. She's spent 1/3 to 1/2 of her S.Hoax related shows schooling listeners as to Delphi/Sunstein/Group Manipulation/Yada/Yada, obviously seeking to posture herself as "SUPER-DUPER-ANTI-" those bad things; meanwhile conspicuously (IMHO) employing all those same manipulation/deception ploys, on her listeners! All her "SUPER-DUPER-ANTI-" posturing is merely a ploy to offset/neutralize our ability to notice this. Example:
Quote:
55s: PS: Still,
you can't say with absolute certainty that you know what happened with Sandy Hook, right?
1:00 DS:
Well, yes, you CAN say exactly what happened, because, they have come out with all the reportshttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...1&d=1361024018, and I have dug through them, other people have dug through them, [...]. The hoaxers would have you believe that
THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL LIARS. OR ACTORS, YES!! IS THAT RIDICULOUS OR WHAT?!? EVEN A CHILD COULD SEE IT!!
As to your "We are more split up than ever" remark above Dachsie, I don't really see that. The Delphi/TUT-Co kosher cabal have ostracized themselves. Their (handlers') Sunstein-game has been so thin & transparent. Their 'net shills astroturfing the comment boards, seeking to give the illusion of "widespread agreement/support" for the Delphi/TUT-Co cabal's joospew, are even more laughably transparent; to wit, Aleksa's hysterical & vacuous rantings.
Delphi's show today again had Sheila Matthews Gallo, co-founder of AbleChild, on as guest. I haven't listened and don't know if I can stomach it; but my prediction is at least part of their interview will be spent enshrining the official "Adam Lanza" myth, discussing "his relationship with psychotropic drugs" which led to his (officially) having done did Sandy Hoax. I predict this coz that's how Delphi sought to play Gallo's past couple appearances in the wake of Delphi's Jan 15 jumping the shark.
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Amanda Comment #90 this thread...
"Everything seemed to change last November (2013) after she [Spingola] read Michael Collins Piper's latest book [False Flags], which apparently goes along with the official narrative on Sandy Hook and Boston, and suggests that those of us who see those two events as hoaxes have somehow been manipulated by Cass Sunstein. "
I am gradually seeing the point in time the defectors appeared and it was after Piper's book came out in probably latter part of 2013.
Not sure my chronic nausea of late will allow me to listen to the Jan 15 2014 Spingola show where you say she jumped shark on air.
I think I always had this gnawing wondering why did these people change so suddenly and what is the motivation of the shark jumpers.
I do not believe that Spingola just had an "ah hah moment" and simply changed her mind about Sandy Hook solely from reading that book.
I still say there is some coercive force running all this and it points back to the Sunstein camp.
It is all so incredibly absurd. All these people doing a 180 on Sandy Hook and doing it all around the same time.
I have read half of Chapter 29 of Piper's book and will try to slog through the final Chapter 30. Piper sets out a careful, step by step set of propositions leading to his book's thesis. This is unlike anything I know of his writing, which is admittedly very little, and the book itself shows signs to me that Piper was under some kind of coercion to get this book out and out fast.
I think they want us to not ignore them so I think I will definitely ignore them as much as possible. They are baiting us and attacking us. They will get what they deserve for their subversive and deceptive ploys.
No matter how much good work, via writing and radio commentary, I think Piper and Spingola have done, their current behavior just blows them out of the game for me. They have turned no good and I will not imbibe anymore of any of their material. You say they have isolated or ostracized themselves and I guess that is true, but if this whole thing is a purposeful ploy as I believe it is, then they do not mind at all being isolated or not tuned in to or read: that's exactly one of the goals they wanted. As I said before, it was just time in someone's plan for them to all jump shark.
PatColo and Amanda have probably done the most in this thread and other forums describing and getting to the root of all this defection, but I still do not we know the real person running and forcing Operation Jump Shark.
The idea that AFP is actually a controlled op outfit for the Zionists still looms strong in my thinking. I have noted so many times over the years the Zionists "eat their own", that is, they attack their own people and set up controlled op entities that seem like they are really anti-zionist when they are not. (I believe the SPLC is such a controlled entity.) What a damn shame because they seem to have put out so much good work.
(I think there were several 'sub-narratives in 9-11 official story that were actually put in to the plot to get us all going down "hunt the Mossad" rabbit trails.)
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
I've said for years, MCP's an agent, not to mention a drunkard & gay (Bollyn flatly calls him gay, and he worked with MCP a decade or so ago). What is he, late 50s, never married no kids, living in a bachelor pad in "Gay DC"?? Duh he's gay! As to drunkard, I've heard him do podcasts obviously marinated in Scotch. Also seen him miss many scheduled podcasts.... see his own words here! It's at the root of his neuropathy in his legs (can barely walk), and bad heart. A couple years ago I listened to one of his podcasts, where at the opening he apologized for having missed the previous show, and get this: said he "was at the health food store, and he just lost track of the time" LOL... "health food store" is code for liquor store, that or he was just passed out drunk on his sofa.
So his profile is prime fodder as a CIA asset... blackmailable coz he's straight-acting gay, but (used to...) be able to do radio shows, blowing hard like AJ for a couple hours here and there. I've said above several times, his book(s) are ghost-written by CIA spooks (ditto for Delphi's seemingly exhaustive S.Hoax "research" and related solo shows where she simply read aloud from her prepared song sheet for ~1.5 hrs), with his name stamped to them. "False Flags" was his most conspicuously ghost-written... slick disinfo. He's too debilitated by his alcoholism to crank out book after book. He could barely keep it together enough to show up for his former podcast schedule.
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
That certainly explains a lot. I did not know that you have said he is an agent for years. What you said about his books being written by CIA spooks is believable now to me.
i do not know about the CIA writing Spingola's books. I have never read or purchased or even seen one of her books. I did post that one article of hers I recently came across and was impressed with how fast moving the read was and nicely footnoted. I did listen to Deanna years ago when she was on Radio Liberty shows but when she moved more actively into her anti-zio speaking and writing and over to radio, I stopped listening to her and only caught a few of her shows over the past few years. I have heard her read on the radio for long periods. That bad practice combined with her screechy voice just does not work for me.
I think reading several paragraphs from something on air is just very bad. Several of the hosts, including Alex Jones, simply are unable to read out loud even one sentence without stumbling, stuttering and mispronouncing words.
I have not followed MCP very closely and have only read one book of his about assassinated Louisiana U S senator Huey P. Long. It was really a compilation of essays by the senator and not much writing involved at all. I heard MCP say he started out being an anti-war person so he was probably a leftie and those folk were prime adoptees of the CIA/FBI subverters. If he were as virulently anti-Zio over the years as he portrays himself, he would have been dealt with by the Zio-mafia long ago and not living peacefully in an apartment in D.C. and activiely writing and speaking against the Zios.
This discussion has helped me sort things out and I appreciate it.
The zio subversion tactics are very sophisticated, twisted and deep and it is difficult for me to fathom sometimes. I have noted several writers of books over the years that came on radio shows and I felt their story did just not sound genuine and I felt they were sponsored by the intelligence apparatus of our government. I noticed similar sounding entities for many years in the 9-11 truth factions. A couple of big names in the 9-11 truth seekers who appeared to make some good contributions seemed to, in a twisted way, be for the purpose of supporting the official story.
The tell-tale sign for me always is when something the person says or their whole position or stance just does not ring true, does not seem logical or fit togeher naturally. I am very sensitive to that.
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
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Originally Posted by
Dachsie
That certainly explains a lot. I did not know that you have said he is an agent for years. What you said about his books being written by CIA spooks is believable now to me.
i do not know about the CIA writing Spingola's books. I have never read or purchased or even seen one of her books. I did post that one article of hers I recently came across and was impressed with how fast moving the read was and nicely footnoted. [...]
On MCP, besides posting this Bollyn/AFP thread in May '10; the first I can see there where I myself call MCP an agent is in Aug '11 in reply 26 therein, agreeing with Bollyn's conclusion:
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Originally Posted by
PatColo
Piper's a much more toxic character than his buddy Glenn, with Piper "slamming Bollyn" in virtually every one of his podcasts I've heard- even
this most recent 8/5 one, which Piper spends part of responding to this 8/4 Bollyn piece above. Piper's approach being mainly childish name calling (referring to Bollyn as "kinky balloon" ~10x per podcast) and repeating "proven liar!" over and over with only ambiguous and paper thin claims to back this up. When I'm
really bored I'll listen to a Piper podcast, just to see what he's saying these days, but I can't say I enjoy or learn anything from his shtick-
most of the time he's obviously full of scotch.
I do believe Bollyn about Piper being an agent, as Piper's attacks on Bollyn are just too thin yet too incessant and ongoing, esp in contrast to Bollyn's ignoring them (with Bollyn's 8/4 Piper-debunking piece above being a rare exception) and not picking fights generally, for Piper's tireless, endless Bollyn-slander-campaign to be anything but a spook disinfo op. And AFP's background with Mark Lane etc taint their trustworthiness indeed... they're surely compromised at best...
MCP's (and his JOO S.Hoax Story promoting tribes') ridiculousness wrt S.Hoax, has only served as additional coffin nails re any "agent or not?" question.
I wouldn't guess Delphi's books were ghost written by spooks either. Purely speculating based on the timeline of events, I'd guess she "flipped" officially with her solo Jan 15 show coming out as a JOO-S.Hoax-Story-Hugger, though "negotiations" with the spooks were surely in play in the weeks/months preceding. Last Sep, Delphi expected her RBN hostess job would soon end. She spent that Jan 15 show simply reading aloud a prepared dissertation, & taking no callers, same as she did for a total of 6 1/2 solo S.Hoax shows. It's those shows' prepared dissertations, as well as the various S.Hoax dedicated webpages she has at spingola.com, which I expect were the work of the spooks... The Delphi-Deanna jumping the shark timeline also adds up in that she came on board with AFP last Fall also, beginning a weekly radio show there. Given the credible evidence that AFP is itself a spook front organization, it follows that Delphi's exposure to the personalities there last Fall, would open the doorway to the communication/negotiations preceding her current, blatantly compromised circumstance.
Separately, may as well drop this turd into this thread; as Keith Johnstein is part of the same pro JOO S.Hoax Story tribe:
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Don't tell me Mr. Johnstein lemme guess: Halbig's answers can all be found in the Official JOO S.Hoax REPORTS??http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...1&d=1361024018 :rolleyes:
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Halbig and Fetzer were in Newtown all day Tuesday, then were interviewed on Rense last night I will see if I can up load it somewhere
You can download the interview here
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...050614_hr3.mp3
They tried to go to the United Way office there because UW has collected over $29M for SH, but were not even allowed into the building
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
thx Jim. Here's a backup link for that Rense hour 3:
Listen Download Hour 3 - James Fetzer - Sandy Hook Developments
Delphi had Dave Gahary on her show, haven't listened yet; she accompanied description with this bitchy addendum:
Deanna Spingola talks to her guests Wolfgang Halbig, Jim Fetzer and Dave Gahary, as they discuss their day in Newtown, Connecticut.
Update (by Deanna): Unfortunately, Dr. Fetzer and Mr. Halbig were unavailable for the program. They decided to join Jeff Rense later in the evening after taking a much-needed rest from their day's activities. Apparently, Halbig was unable to obtain the answers to his 16 questions from anyone in Newtown after spending all of the time and money (
from donations) to go there. One may see the answers to those questions by visiting
Wade's page, which he posted on March 23, 2014. Halbig did not ask the school board the only question that they, having the proper jurisdiction over, could have answered—had the school been in operation during the last five years? Some people claim that it was not. It is uncertain exactly what Halbig and Fetzer actually accomplished but their visit certainly became the focus of a lot of media attention. An NBC correspondent was at the school board meeting, InfoWars had a representative there and the
local newspapers covered Halbig's viist.
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