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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
Most everyone thought it stupid from day one. 3 Percenters and Oathkeepers stayed away.
This guy who is now dead:
Publicly declared he would not be taken alive.
Didn't peacefully surrender and live like the other guy when stopped.
Instead sped off...crashed into the roadblock...hopped out flailing his arms as shown in the video above.
:rolleyes: not murder...clearly suicide by cop
So where was the weapon at? In order to justify a killing cops should be in "fear for their life". At least that's how it used to be 25-30 years ago. Now you can be executed for "flailing his arms" apparently.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
http://memecrunch.com/meme/93XQK/uh-...here/image.jpg
So Midnight Rambler...when are you driving to Oregon with your AR-15?
:rolleyes:
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
According to the report (given by the FBI) the gun was found in his pocket - so they never saw him brandishing a firearm. If he wanted to go down shooting, he would have made sure to at least draw the gun when he had the opportunity
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Ares
So where was the weapon at? In order to justify a killing cops should be in "fear for their life". At least that's how it used to be 25-30 years ago. Now you can be executed for "flailing his arms" apparently.
I consider you an intelligent guy Ares.
You forgot about him speeding away from a traffic stop...crashing into the roadblock with a woman in the vehicle ..after publicly declaring that he would not be taken alive.
Would you have done that or would you have peacefully surrendered and LIVE like the other guy five minutes before.
:(??
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
I consider you an intelligent guy Ares.
You forgot about him speeding away from a traffic stop...crashing into the roadblock with a woman in the vehicle ..after publicly declaring that he would not be taken alive.
Would you have done that or would you have peacefully surrendered and LIVE like the other guy five minutes before.
:(??
Saying and doing are two different things. Does that justify every person who runs from the cops getting executed? What's the point of a judicial system if the cops are judge, jury and executioner right on the spot of your arrest?
At the most I saw was fleeing police, and resisting arrest. I did not see him charge an officer, and I also did not see him brandishing a weapon. If LaVoy had pulled out his hand gun I would of agreed the cops were in the right to shoot.
You have to remember, it would not of mattered if LaVoy pulled his gun as the cops already had their weapons trained on him with their fingers on the trigger. So the amount of time it would of taken for LaVoy to reach into his pocket, pull out his gun and start aiming at officers he already of would of had every one there shooting at him. THAT would be suicide by cop.
What that video was and still is, murder by the state.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Ares
Saying and doing are two different things. Does that justify every person who runs from the cops getting executed? What's the point of a judicial system if the cops are judge, jury and executioner right on the spot of your arrest?
At the most I saw was feeling police, and resisting arrest. I did not see him charge an officer, and I also did not see him brandishing a weapon. If LaVoy had pulled out his hand gun I would of agreed the cops were in the right to shoot.
You have to remember, it would not of mattered if LaVoy pulled his gun as the cops already had their weapons trained on him with their fingers on the trigger. So the amount of time it would of taken for LaVoy to reach into his pocket, pull out his gun and start aiming at officers he already of would of had every one there shooting at him. THAT would be suicide by cop.
What that video was and still is, murder by the state.
Believe your own eyes Ares and stop listening to our shrill keyboard inciter Midnight Rambler. Both Bundys and the others simply complied did not resist arrest and are now alive talking with their lawyers.
:rolleyes:
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
Believe your own eyes Ares and stop listening to our shrill keyboard inciter Midnight Rambler. Both Bundys and the others simply complied did not resist arrest and are now alive talking with their lawyers.
:rolleyes:
I am believing my own eyes, I've probably spent 2 hours going through that video with a fine toothed comb zooming in as far as I can before pixelation renders the image / frame useless. I'm just going by what I see in the video. It looks like he got shot in the side and he's putting his hand on the wound.
Like I said I'll wait until I see the autopsy report to see if there is a bullet wound or not. If not I'll concede that it was not a very smart move to put his hands towards his pocket while police have their weapons trained on him.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Ares
I am believing my own eyes, I've probably spent 2 hours going through that video with a fine toothed comb zooming in as far as I can before pixelation renders the image / frame useless. I'm just going by what I see in the video. It looks like he got shot in the side and he's putting his hand on the wound.
Like I said I'll wait until I see the autopsy report to see if there is a bullet wound or not. If not I'll concede that it was not a very smart move to put his hands towards his pocket while police have their weapons trained on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU
Hi res 13-second video
Yes. He should have peacefully surrendered like the two Bundys and the others.
:)
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
We do not have enough evidence to know exactly what happened. True, he sped away from the cops, but running from cops itself is not a crime. He did swerve to avoid the roadblock, which is reckless driving, but not something justifying shooting. The real issue is what was going on as LaVoy was reaching to his jacket? What did the sniper coming out of the trees see, and what could he justifiably say he thought. The FBI and Oregon cops did set a trap, and knew they would be forcing them into a road block, so they do are responsible for the outcome. What a mess.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
JohnQPublic
We do not have enough evidence to know exactly what happened. True, he sped away from the cops, but running from cops itself is not a crime. He did swerve to avoid the roadblock, which is reckless driving, but not something justifying shooting. The real issue is what was going on as LaVoy was reaching to his jacket? What did the sniper coming out of the trees see, and what could he justifiably say he thought. The FBI and Oregon cops did set a trap, and knew they would be forcing them into a road block, so they do are responsible for the outcome. What a mess.
Actions have consequences or so the FED's like to say. But those consequences are only rendered on the common man more often than not.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
So Book, kindly clear up your relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center...are you paid staff, do you make cash contributions, or do you merely volunteer your time posting on the net?
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
JohnQPublic
We do not have enough evidence to know exactly what happened. True, he sped away from the cops, but running from cops itself is not a crime. He did swerve to avoid the roadblock, which is reckless driving, but not something justifying shooting. The real issue is what was going on as LaVoy was reaching to his jacket? What did the sniper coming out of the trees see, and what could he justifiably say he thought. The FBI and Oregon cops did set a trap, and knew they would be forcing them into a road block, so they do are responsible for the outcome. What a mess.
He almost hit a cop with his speeding vehicle while swerving around the roadblock. Vehicles are lethal weapons. He did this with a woman and others in the vehicle who all instantly surrendered. Did the passengers willingly agree to this crazy joyride or were they at some point basically kidnapped?
:)
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
JohnQPublic
We do not have enough evidence to know exactly what happened. True, he sped away from the cops, but running from cops itself is not a crime. He did swerve to avoid the roadblock, which is reckless driving, but not something justifying shooting. The real issue is what was going on as LaVoy was reaching to his jacket? What did the sniper coming out of the trees see, and what could he justifiably say he thought. The FBI and Oregon cops did set a trap, and knew they would be forcing them into a road block, so they do are responsible for the outcome. What a mess.
Where is the video from the helmet cams/body cams??
You KNOW that video exists. Why not show that video...unless of course there's something to hide. (Duh.)
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
Where is the video from the helmet cams/body cams??
You KNOW that video exists. Why not show that video...unless of course there's something to hide. (Duh.)
Those will somehow get deleted like Hillary's emails
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
So Book, kindly clear up...
People actually get paid to incite violence against the government on the internet. Midnight Rambler constantly posting his incitement here at GSUS while he himself never actually leaving his keyboard.
I just want GSUSers to learn from this Oregon fiasco.
The readers of this thread will note that Midnight Rambler is now doing his ad hom attacks instead of he himself driving to Oregon with his AR-15.
:) Midnight Rambler want YOU to shoot cops
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
He almost hit a cop with his speeding vehicle while swerving around the roadblock. Vehicles are lethal weapons. He did this with a woman and others in the vehicle who all instantly surrendered. Did the passengers willingly agree to this crazy joyride or were they at some point basically kidnapped?
:)
Understood. But they set-up the trap and obviously expected these guys to flee, otherwise they would not have set-up the road block.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
Where is the video from the helmet cams/body cams??
You KNOW that video exists. Why not show that video...unless of course there's something to hide. (Duh.)
They may show-up at some point. I would be very interested to see the footage.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
People actually get paid to incite violence against the government on the internet. Midnight Rambler constantly posting his incitement here at GSUS while he himself never actually leaving his keyboard.
I just want GSUSers to learn from this Oregon fiasco.
The readers of this thread will note that Midnight Rambler is now doing his ad hom attacks instead of he himself driving to Oregon with his AR-15.
:)
Midnight Rambler has just as much right to post his opinion as you and I do. What you wrote here smacks of the progressive invalidation tactics used by the metro progressive cunts out there. I expected better from you
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
People actually get paid to incite violence against the government on the internet. Midnight Rambler constantly posting his incitement here at GSUS while he himself never actually leaving his keyboard.
I just want GSUSers to learn from this Oregon fiasco.
The readers of this thread will note that Midnight Rambler is now doing his ad hom attacks instead of he himself driving to Oregon with his AR-15.
:)
Midnight Rambler want YOU to shoot cops
Why are you so ashamed of being aligned with the splc?
Admit it, Morris Dees is your hero.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
JohnQPublic
Understood. But they set-up the trap and obviously expected these guys to flee, otherwise they would not have set-up the ambush.
fify
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
I am wondering what was the justification for stopping that crew-cab (driven by Lavoy Finicum) in the first place. Was it being driven recklessly? Was there a warrant out and the police had reason to believe one of the occupants was named in the warrant? Can ordinary motorists be expected to be stopped (pulled over) for no good reason?
The driver, and the passengers, could see they had come upon a trap, set by impostor lawmen (not the local sheriff), and they were being accosted as if one or more occupants in the vehicle were dangerous felons.
I am waiting for someone representing the folks in that vehicle to demand an absolute rational for stopping that vehicle in the first place. For setting up a roadblock, as if a dangerous criminal had escaped a local prison and they were conducting a manhunt. Without that, this should have been viewed as a normal collection of blameless americans heading to some destination on the Oregon highways. Is it no longer safe to go from here to there in a car anymore?
I can imagine how frustrating it was to the driver to see that these outsiders had set up a trap, and had pulled him over FOR NO GOOD REASON. It was obvious to him that these were little more than road bandits, and, absent their local sheriff to provide any legality to this roadblock, he panicked and speed off. I can't bring myself to criticize that action under those circumstances. Why couldn't those jerks have simply had the sheriff there to confront the inhabitants in that vehicle with whatever rational he had to require them to stop and exit the vehicle?
Based on what is being offered up for public viewing, so far, this was out-and-out premeditated murder. The feds will never allow an honest and impartial investigation as to THIER conduct and their guilt in this needless murder of a law-abiding man.
What was the legal basis for interrupting Lavoy Finicum as he went peacefully on his way over the Oregon highways?
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
Oh, and fwiw note that the donut munchers are ALL gong ho AND ORGANIZE to EXPAND the use of violence, YET when it comes down to the blatant use of deadly force/destruction of private property when DEFINITELY NOT appropriate by any of their associates NOT ONE OF THEM UTTERS A SINGLE WORD OF DISAPPROVAL, much less organizes a group to express disapproval of the clearly inappropriate use of deadly force/destruction of private property. But organize and SUE for the 'right' to mete out beatdowns - NO problem!
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f3bd9af303.jpg https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hp...09708735_n.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...938b0d17ac.jpg
Another one of Midnight Rambler's many rants to incite from May 2014.
:rolleyes:
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jerrylynnb
I am wondering what was the justification for stopping that crew-cab (driven by Lavoy Finicum) in the first place. Was it being driven recklessly? Was there a warrant out and the police had reason to believe one of the occupants was named in the warrant? Can ordinary motorists be expected to be stopped (pulled over) for no good reason?
BURNS, OR (KPTV) - Ammon Bundy, the leader of an armed group that has occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since Jan. 2, was taken into police custody in a confrontation with law enforcement that left one person dead. The FBI and Oregon State Police began an enforcement operation at 4:25 p.m. Tuesday on Highway 395 that led to shots fired and the arrests of multiple people involved in the weeks-long standoff.
Investigators did not immediately reveal who shot first, but police said one person who had a federal probable cause arrest warrant was killed. That person has not been identified by police, however CNN, citing a law enforcement official, reported that the person killed was LaVoy Finicum. Finicum had acted as a spokesman for the group during press conferences, once telling the FBI to, "quit acting as militia and stirring up fear." Another person was taken to the hospital with injuries described as non-life threatening. No officers were injured.
Police said seven people were arrested and face felony federal charges of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats, in violation of Title 18, United State Code, Section 372. They were identified Tuesday as Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho; Ryan C. Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Shawna Cox, 59, of Kanab, Utah; Ryan Waylen Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana; Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy, 45, of Cottonwood, Arizona.
http://www.kptv.com/story/31064909/r...police-custody
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Joshua01
What you wrote here smacks of the progressive invalidation tactics used by the metro progressive cunts out there. I expected better from you
Joshua01
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Joshua /ˈdʒɒʃuə/ or
Jehoshua (
Hebrew:
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Yĕhôshúʿa or
Hebrew:
יֵשׁוּעַ Yĕshúʿa;
Aramaic: ܝܫܘܥ
Isho;
Greek: Ἰησοῦς,
Arabic: يوشع بن نون
Yūshaʿ ibn Nūn;
Latin:
Iosue,
Turkish:
Yuşa), is a figure in the
Torah, being one of the
spies for Israel (Num 13–14) and identified in several passages as Moses' assistant.
[3] He is the central figure in the
Hebrew Bible's
Book of Joshua. According to the books of
Exodus,
Numbers and
Joshua, he became the leader of the
Israelite tribes after the death of
Moses. His name was
Hoshe'a (הוֹשֵׁעַ) the son of
Nun, of the
tribe of Ephraim, but Moses called him
Yehoshu'a (יְהוֹשֻעַ; Joshua in English) (
Numbers 13:16) the name by which he is commonly known. The name is shortened to Yeshua in Nehemiah (
Nehemiah 8:17). According to the Bible he was born in
Egypt prior to
the Exodus.
[2]
He was one of the twelve spies of Israel sent by Moses to explore the land of Canaan. (
Numbers 13:1-16) After the death of Moses, he led the Israelite tribes in the conquest of Canaan, and allocated the land to the tribes. According to
Biblical chronology, Joshua lived between 1355-1245 BCE,
[4] or sometime in the late
Bronze Age. According to
Joshua 24:29, Joshua died at the age of 110. Joshua also holds a position of respect among Muslims. According to Islamic tradition, he was, along with
Caleb,
one of the two believing spies whom Moses had sent to spy the land of Canaan.
[5] All
Muslims also see Joshua as the leader of the
Israelites, following the death of Moses. Some Muslims also believe Joshua to be the "attendant" of Moses mentioned in the
Qur’ān, before Moses meets
Khidr and some believe that he is a prophet.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
A coward shot him in the back.
How do you know what was going through his mind?? Are you psychic??
Found a /pol/ thread.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/62410139
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
So Book, kindly clear up your relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center...are you paid staff, do you make cash contributions, or do you merely volunteer your time posting on the net?
This is beyond ridiculous!
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
http://s17.postimg.org/x4xzs1trz/126...55744454_o.jpg
Note, this picture doesn't mean he doesn't have a backup pistol under his jacket. Many people have backup pistols.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
So Book, kindly clear up your relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center...are you paid staff, do you make cash contributions, or do you merely volunteer your time posting on the net?
You have to be Jewish to work for them.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
collector
Woods guy saw fit to actually run up to him and shoot him in the back with a rifle while he was stumbling to maintain his balance
Clearly murdered at close range.
Cop in front was maintaing 45 degree positioning so killer's shot from behind wouldn't penetrate and hit him.
You can see the accomplices hiding behind their vehicles, sort of running for cover before the executioner takes his shot
This was coordinated, no doubt premeditated.
If they flash grenaded the truck, I'm sure it was to provoke the others into fighting or maybe kill them where they sat.
Regardless if he was reaching for a gun, or not doesn't matter. If he APPEARS to be reaching for a gun the cops will shoot. It looks like the cops thought he was reaching for a gun and took the shot before he supposedly could get one shot off. The guy who shot him from behind probably is a hero in the government circles now.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
In Book's mind his heroes the state actors can do no wrong, you'll be getting no admissions of wrongdoing by state actors from Book.
There's a time to fight and a time to hide.
These guys fought when they had no support, so the ending was tragedy.
The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.
Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on with their own legends.
If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.
Me and Jewboo want freedom as much as you do. We just understand STRATEGY, and not throwing yourself out to be the lone hero like in the movies and video games. I get it, you're in love with a Romantic notion of saving the day with Muh Guns. That's how you get killed and remembered as a failure. It's also how you GIVE the government credibility.
If most of the militia people in the US don't support these guys, it's obvious they were doomed from the start. They literally supported a group that DIDN'T want them. Even the Oregon militia wanted nothing to do with this.
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Originally Posted by
Shami-Amourae
There's a time to fight and a time to hide.
These guys fought when they had no support, so the ending was tragedy.
The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.
Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on for their own legends.
If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.
Establishing and maintaining the moral high ground is key if we are to advance liberty. Even if that comes to armed defense, it should always be in defense not provocation.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Shami-Amourae
Usually on the side of their shooting hand. I believe that's the point being made here
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Ares
Establishing and maintaining the moral high ground is key if we are to advance liberty. Even if that comes to armed defense, it should always be in defense not provocation.
If you operate against an enemy who breaks all the rules, while you follow all the rules you'll always lose.
When the revolutionary war was fought the Red coats all marched out in lines and formations. American patriots were like "fuck that", and they hid in trees and shit and picked them off. People who follow the "rules" and "morality" usually are the losers.
If you want to win, you have to get the public on your side. You have to win the hearts and minds.
The original Bundy ranch was successful since it won the hearts and minds of people. People waved American flags, and there's was a pro-Bundy narrative even on Fox News. Militia men came around from the entire country.
The Oregon standoff didn't win the hearts and minds. Everything that happened fell into the "Muh Evil White Christians with Guns" narrative. It turned most of the people in the country against them. This is a huge victory for the Left/Jews. It undid EVERYTHING that the Nevada Bundy ranch standoff set in place. No one even knows the names of the people they were defending. Everyone only knows the name "Bundy".
It doesn't matter if you're in the right. If you're dead, you're fucking dead.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
midnight rambler
Where is the video from the helmet cams/body cams??
You KNOW that video exists. Why not show that video...unless of course there's something to hide. (Duh.)
Feds usually don't wear that stuff. That's just for normal cops not involved in a Federal standoff/manhunt.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Shami-Amourae
The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.
Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on with their own legends.
If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.
Me and Jewboo want freedom as much as you do. We just understand STRATEGY, and not throwing yourself out to be the lone hero like in the movies and video games. I get it, you're in love with a Romantic notion of saving the day with Muh Guns. That's how you get killed and remembered as a failure. It's also how you GIVE the government credibility.
If most of the militia people in the US don't support these guys, it's obvious they were doomed from the start. They literally supported a group that DIDN'T want them. Even the Oregon militia wanted nothing to do with this.
http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_f..._330/image.jpg
Exactly. After this idiocy the wives of decent 3 Percenters and Oath Keepers are now telling their husbands to take off their camo costumes and sell their AR-15s. This stunt just destroyed both organizations...
:rolleyes:
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
Exactly. After this idiocy the wives of decent 3 Percenters and Oath Keepers are now telling their husbands to take off their camo costumes and sell their AR-15s. This stunt just destroyed both organizations...
:rolleyes:
I hope not. But you may be right.
The Idaho 3% has been a great first line of defense here in Idaho against the rapefugees and other threats. Now their name is tarnished and they will justifiably so be taken down by the Feds since of their "morality". I just hope they can recover from this and keep going on since I like the Idaho 3% a lot.
This is why it's important to think strategically, rather than "doing the right thing for the moral high ground".
We're not in movie or video game. In reality the "moral high ground" is a losing strategy.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
✓ At the Bundy ranch in Nevada the government attacked the ranchers/reporters.
X At the Oregon standoff an out-of-state militia attacked the government.
Why is this so complicated?
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Originally Posted by
Shami-Amourae
✓ At the Bundy ranch in Nevada the government attacked the ranchers/reporters.
X At the Oregon standoff an out-of-state militia attacked the government.
Why is this so complicated?
3 Percenters and the Oath Keepers judged it the same way and kept out of it.
:(??
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Shami-Amourae
Feds usually don't wear that stuff. That's just for normal cops not involved in a Federal standoff/manhunt.
How do you know that for sure??
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jerrylynnb
I am wondering what was the justification for stopping that crew-cab (driven by Lavoy Finicum) in the first place. Was it being driven recklessly? Was there a warrant out and the police had reason to believe one of the occupants was named in the warrant? Can ordinary motorists be expected to be stopped (pulled over) for no good reason?
The driver, and the passengers, could see they had come upon a trap, set by impostor lawmen (not the local sheriff), and they were being accosted as if one or more occupants in the vehicle were dangerous felons.
I am waiting for someone representing the folks in that vehicle to demand an absolute rational for stopping that vehicle in the first place. For setting up a roadblock, as if a dangerous criminal had escaped a local prison and they were conducting a manhunt. Without that, this should have been viewed as a normal collection of blameless americans heading to some destination on the Oregon highways. Is it no longer safe to go from here to there in a car anymore?
I can imagine how frustrating it was to the driver to see that these outsiders had set up a trap, and had pulled him over FOR NO GOOD REASON. It was obvious to him that these were little more than road bandits, and, absent their local sheriff to provide any legality to this roadblock, he panicked and speed off. I can't bring myself to criticize that action under those circumstances. Why couldn't those jerks have simply had the sheriff there to confront the inhabitants in that vehicle with whatever rational he had to require them to stop and exit the vehicle?
Based on what is being offered up for public viewing, so far, this was out-and-out premeditated murder. The feds will never allow an honest and impartial investigation as to THIER conduct and their guilt in this needless murder of a law-abiding man.
What was the legal basis for interrupting Lavoy Finicum as he went peacefully on his way over the Oregon highways?
'Lying in wait' aka coup de main aka dry-gulching is what lawless highwaymen do.
http://thelawdictionary.org/lying-in-wait/