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Dunbar’s ranch is immediately adjacent to the Malheur Refuge. He had great views of the observation tower. He testified about seeing men with long guns appearing to secure a perimeter. He said he saw, through binoculars, a person in the watch tower pointing a gun in his direction. He described the stressful situation in January, and that he still had to tend his cattle during the calving season. He also said he heard funfire on a number of days

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Dunbar's "ranch" is 42 acres. Forty two acres won't support anyone in this day and age. He and his son were each paid $2000 by the FBI from early January until February for access to their property. I suspect the man has a full time job with one of the federal agencies.

Who in their right mind calves heifers in January? Sorta like catching carp frozen in the ice.

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Dunbar's "ranch" is 42 acres. Forty two acres won't support anyone in this day and age. He and his son were each paid $2000 by the FBI from early January until February for access to their property. I suspect the man has a full time job with one of the federal agencies.

Who in their right mind calves heifers in January? Sorta like catching carp frozen in the ice.

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We call 42 acres a hobby farm, a nice place for ducks and geese, chickens and sheep.

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Dunbar's "ranch" is 42 acres. Forty two acres won't support anyone in this day and age. He and his son were each paid $2000 by the FBI from early January until February for access to their property. I suspect the man has a full time job with one of the federal agencies.

Who in their right mind calves heifers in January? Sorta like catching carp frozen in the ice.

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There are people who calve that early but they need a shed to calve in and they need to watch the cattle round the clock during calving. I suppose the weather is similar to where I live maybe without as much wind. I've traveled through that area in winter and it was cold and there was plenty of snow. The reason some do that is because they move their cattle to summer grazing and want the calves big enough to move with their mothers when the grass has grown enough for grazing.

Dunbar and his son must have more land than that somewhere if they make their living running cattle as he said. He may own enough land in other locations to grow feed and hold cattle when they can't be grazing. He would also need to have grazing permits to move them too when allowed by the BLM.

Dunbar may very well have income from anther source than cattle. I don't think Tom Davis of "The cowboy and the Lady" owns very much land either but he also deals in real estate besides running some bucking horses for putting on rodeos.

I don't think Dunbar will have endeared himself to other ranchers in the area taking money from the FBI and testifying for them against the Bundys. I'm pretty sure the BLM won't be cutting the number of cattle that he can run on permits either like they did to other ranchers. I'd sure as hell lose respect for and avoid a guy that would help the BLM and FBI like he's done against the Hammonds and Bundys.

Apparently Dunbar's cattle are under fence. He probaly has corrals and a barn where he can keep watch over the cows that are ready to calve and are calving.

My father bred his sheep to lamb about the 20th of January because there generally was a break in the winter cold the old timers referred to as the January thaw. He had pens in the barn for the newborns. Some winters the weather didn't co-operate and we had newborn lambs in the house next to the stove drying them so they didn't freeze to death.

It definitely was a 24 hour job. Some winters it was 15 below in early January. If I recall correctly we checked the sheep every two hours through the night.

Fred Kelly Grant was one of the lawyers who was on E. Wayne Hage's team in Hage v. US

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Startling & Thought-Provoking New Analysis of LaVoy Finicum Shooting — with Additional Commentary by Attorney Fred Grant

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If you have been following our commentary and coverage of the Oregon Standoff Trial (or anyone else’s), you know that evidence regarding the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum has become a major point of contention in the case.

Supposedly there is an ongoing FBI investigation regarding a coverup by FBI HRT agents involved in that incident. In light of all this subject matter, new videos, anonymously produced, and recently posted on social media, are particularly thought provoking. In addition to the first general analysis video, we have now also added an additional video devoted to analysis of the purpose of the FBI foam bullet.

Below the videos you can also find exclusive, inside analysis and commentary by Attorney Fred Kelly Grant.

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AS AN OLD, CURMUDEONLY, DISTRUSTING PROSECUTING ATTORNEY I WOULD CHARGE THAT LAVOY FINICUM WAS MURDERED IN THE FIRST DEGREE WITH PREMEDITATION AND DELIBERATION — Fred Kelly Grant

I have written only one other time about what I thought of the shooting of LaVoy Finicum as an unnecessary, and deliberate acceleration of the “take over” of the Malheur Wildlife buildings in Oregon. And, I haven’t followed the case since visiting with Mrs. Finicum and her deciding to seek counsel elsewhere. I presented her with a plan of action designed to do two things (1) secure her financial assistance for the rest of her life under the Civil Rights Act, and (2) to protect her ranch from what someone will someday do to try to take it. When she chose to go elsewhere, I did not think it appropriate for me to write more about the case, and I have done nothing but follow the news stories of the enormous failures of due process of law regarding the defendants who were arrested. During my prosecutorial and defense career I have seen first degree murderers who frightened jailers treated less severely than what the press reports about the treatment of these men.

I have just watched [the YouTube videos shown above]. I have not and will not name the person who sent me the link because I would not want him linked to my absolute statements in this piece. But, there is full transparency as to who is showing the video and why.

On the basis of the video, as a prosecutor, I would file first degree, premeditated murder charges against officers who shot the deadly shots and at least accomplice before the fact against the officer who fired the foam bullet that caused Finicum to put his hands to the left of his chest.

I would argue to any Grand Jury and to any Petit Jury that his firing of that foam bullet, and then running out of sight instead of trying to subdue a man he knew he had only wounded, was proof that he was the “set up” man. Those of you who have seen the prior films and photos will no doubt remember that LaVoy Finicum got out of the vehicle with his hands in the air, arms fully outstretched, in an obvious surrender move.

Someone, somehow, had to make it appear that he was going to reach for a weapon. I know I could secure an indictment for first degree murder from a Grand Jury, so my focus here is on how I would talk to the members of the Petit Jury. My question to them in closing argument would be simply “If he were going to resist armed officers why did he come out of the vehicle with his arms high in the air; why didn’t he come out shooting? Think about that for just a moment, in fact, think about it for about ten seconds while I watch the clock and keep quiet.”

Jurors do that, they think when you give them moments of silence. More impact comes from their silent thought about your question, than if you immediately answered it for them.

Then my argument would go something like this: Keep in mind, ladies and gentlemen, he had already been shot at in the vehicle at least twice. He had already told the others in the vehicle that ‘they are going to kill us’. So, why, in the name of common sense, did he come out with his hands up so high in the air that he couldn’t possibly get to a gun without being gunned down. No, you members of this jury are regular people, with regular minds, and the voir dire showed that you have the ability to listen, but more importantly to hear, and to think. You demonstrated that in your answers to the questions put to you by defense counsel and I. With that ability, with that sense, you cannot possibly watch the video you just saw without observing:

1. The FBI set up the roadblock in a position that violated every rule of police safety for roadblocks—safety for themselves as well as the public;
2. The placement of that roadblock on a virtually blind curve with the snow banks along the highway so that a vehicle they knew was traveling at a high rate of speed would not see it in time to avoid acceleration of the situation involving a “take over” of a wildlife center in the winter;
3. Firing shots at the vehicle as it was still moving toward them at a high rate of speed, not knowing whether those shots would cause the car to crash into their parked cars, perhaps injuring or killing their own;
4. LaVon getting out of the vehicle with his hands in the air even as he exited the door; he didn’t just put them up once he was outside, he had them up when he came out of the vehicle.
5. His hands and arms were in the air, arms completely upstretched like this—-in as well known a surrender symbol as any symbol known to any one of you or any one of your family who has ever watched a western movie, comedy or detective show.
6. As he walks with his hands empty and his arms upstretched to their highest, had anyone shot to kill him, it would have been too clearly a murder, so he had to be set up.
7. Now we reach the unidentified officer who fires at LaVoy and we know from the evidence that he fired a foam bullet at his left chest; we see it strike LaVoy. You have heard our testimony as to the impact of such a foam bullet from the distance it was fired. The impact hurt him.

Think about it for just a moment—take a moment of silence while I shut up for a moment, and think about being hit in the chest with such velocity—what is the first thing you would do? Just think. ………And I know because I know you are reasoning people that during that silence you would have grabbed at that spot where you were hit.

When we see a football player go down in a pile we see him grab his knee or his shoulder or his ankle; when we see a basketball player twist his knee, what does he do? He grabs that knee. When we see a batter hit by a fast ball what does he do? Before he threatens the pitcher he reaches and grabs at the point at which the ball hit. I used to tell my young ball players “rub it off” when a baseball took a bad bounce. It is not some mystical theory as the defense would have you accept without using the common sense that you brought into this court room. It is a reaction we see in life, in person, or on television every day of our lives.

1. LaVoy did exactly what you thought about when I graced you with a few seconds of silence awhile ago. He reached for the spot of the pain.
2. And, that ladies and gentlemen, gave the killers the excuse they give you here—the excuse that they thought he was going for a gun.

I look at these experienced defendants at the table and wonder whether they really think that you twelve souls believe that they really feared he was going for a gun inside his heavy coat when he could have come out of that car shooting had that been his intent.

I ask you ladies and gentlemen to look at these defendants—you’ve heard about their training, their expertise, their policy of de-escalation—look them in the eyes and tell me whether you think they were that dumb. No. No. No. They were not.

1. 10. Where in the world, much less where in this courtroom to support his fellow officers, is the man who fired the foam bullet? You saw him fire, then turn and disappear behind the roadblock car—never to be heard from or identified again. He wasn’t just some bystander was he? He was one of these defendants’ comrades in arms. Where is he? Why is he not here so I could have asked him why he dashed away at a time when he could probably have subdued LaVoy who was reeling from the pain.
   
   

As you know, I asked the court to let you review that video in the jury room and within his lawful discretion he denied my request. He granted the defense objection. But the fact that you don’t have it with you doesn’t remove it from your minds and memories.

You’ve heard days of evidence as to the “take over”, the reasons for it, the reasons why the Government could not allow it to continue, the idea that LaVoy Finicum and his friends or “co-defendants” as the defense would call them, set out to speak to a sheriff. You’ve heard those days of testimony because in the American system of justice designed by our Founders we give these defendants more chance than they gave LaVoy on that Oregon highway.

Were it not for this video you saw, it might be a bit difficult for me to argue that this is a case of premeditated first degree murder. I still would have felt justified in arguing that the law was broken by these defendants in whom we place our trust for law enforcement—but maybe not premeditated, deliberate, first degree murder.

With the video, I have no qualms, no hesitance, in asking you to find that beyond every possible reasonable doubt, these men are guilty of taking the life of LaVoy Finicum intentionally and with premeditation.

What it took God years to develop into a hard working rancher, a good husband and father to eleven children— this man LaVoy Finicum— it took these defendants less than twenty seconds to destroy. You twelve, sworn and true, are the source for what earthly justice we can give him, his wife, his children. I ask you most earnestly to return verdicts of guilty—–guilty of murder in the first degree.”

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Note: Attorney Fred Grant is a former federal prosecutor in Baltimore, MD. He currently resides near Boise, ID.
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RANGE / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

Some history on Fred Kelly Grant


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Aging sagebrush rebel keeps up fight against feds

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In this photo taken Nov. 18, 2011, Idaho property-rights lawyer Fred Kelly Grant poses for a picture at his home office in Nampa, Idaho. Grant is promoting a strategy for counties that he says will help them take on the federal government, on hot-button issues including wolves, U.S. Forest Service road closures and the removal of dams on the Klamath River in California. (Associated Press)

A 75-year-old lawyer who fought private property rights battles alongside Idaho U.S. Rep. Helen Chenoweth and her Nevada rancher husband Wayne Hage in the 1990s is still cultivating the Sagebrush Rebellion’s roots and earning handsome speaking fees from conservative audiences across the West.


Associated Press writer John Miller has been looking into the efforts of Frank Kelly Grant to carry on where Reagan administration Interior Secretary and Sagebrush Rebellion crusader James Watt left off before he was booted out of government for, among other things, his attempt to privatize federal lands.


Read on for the AP Story.


A 75-year-old lawyer who fought private property rights battles alongside Idaho U.S. Rep. Helen Chenoweth and her Nevada rancher husband Wayne Hage in the 1990s is still cultivating the Sagebrush Rebellion’s roots and earning handsome speaking fees from conservative audiences across the West.


Fred Kelly Grant has been slowed by age and heart surgery, but he’s in demand from counties — and tea partyers who attend his $150-per-person seminars — as conservative elements in the West’s continue to clash with the federal government.


California’s Siskiyou County is paying Grant $10,000 to help block removal of four Klamath River dams. Montana and Idaho counties have enlisted him to trim hated wolf populations and thwart U.S. Forest Service road closures.


What Grant preaches is “coordination,” the theory that federal agencies by law must deal with local governments when revising their public land travel plans or protecting endangered species. Grant insists he’s not reviving the discredited “county supremacy” movement, in which a Nevada county once threatened federal employees with prosecution.


“This is not nullification,” simply ignoring federal mandates, he told The Associated Press. “Coordination is working within the system to try and make the system work.”


Hage, who died in 2006, epitomized the Sagebrush Rebellion by battling the federal government over water rights. Chenoweth, killed the same year in a car crash, worried that federal agents would arrive aboard black helicopters to enforce the Endangered Species Act.


Grant, a former federal prosecutor in Maryland who once helped guide Stewards of the Range, the Hage family’s property-rights nonprofit, started his own foundation last year. He, a son and daughter-in-law now give seminars, often to tea party groups, on how locals can demand coordination when Washington, D.C. isn’t listening.


Grant insists he’s no radical, but he’s not above fanning the flames. In 2009, he told a crowd angry about road closures in California’s Shasta-Trinity National Forest that he once dismissed those who claimed the United Nations and U.S. government sought to eliminate people from public land as crackpots who saw “a communist behind every sagebrush.”


“I thought it was a conspiratorial theory,” Grant said, in video footage. “It’s not.”


Some environmentalists are dubious of Grant’s “coordination,” saying it’s so much fodder on the conservative rubber-chicken circuit for a restive Western audience long unhappy with federal management of vast tracts of public land.


“He’s saying a county should adopt its own plan, and the federal government is obliged to make sure its plan is consistent with the local plan,” said Jon Marvel, Western Watersheds Project director in Hailey, Idaho. “It’s nullification by another name.”


Grant insists federal courts side with him.


In 2001, a U.S. District Court judge in Utah ordered the Bureau of Land Management to remove wild horses resettled in Uintah County, in part because the agency didn’t coordinate with local officials.
“Coordination does not mean the county gets its way,” Grant said. “What it means is, the federal government should be discussing policy with the county, and considering alternatives.”


He cites Idaho’s Owyhee County, where he says coordination between locals and the BLM beginning in 1990 resolved grazing disputes — and led to ranchers’ support for 500,000 acres of federally protected wilderness created here in 2009.


In California’s Modoc County, officials say coordination begun in 1993 helped resolve disputes, including halting plans to curtail grazing.


“The federal government is the one that’s ultimately calling the shots on the federal land,” said Tim Burke, BLM field manager in Alturas, Calif. “But the federal government is definitely interested in what the county has to say.”


Idaho’s Benewah and Custer counties and Montana’s Ravalli County enlisted Grant’s help as they aim to reduce wolves and reopen backcountry roads closed by the Forest Service and BLM.


“They’re not giving us a say in how they’re managing our land,” said Custer County Commissioner Doyle Lamb.


Ravalli County Commissioner Matt Kanenwisher says he’s seen some changes in how federal agencies in Montana respond to counties, but says time will tell if they’re taking coordination seriously.


“In the view of coordination, counties aren’t a stakeholder — they’re a partner,” he said.


Almost nowhere has Grant’s message resonated more deeply than in California’s Siskiyou County, in 14,179-foot Mt. Shasta’s shadow. “Coordination” became a catch phrase in the battle over whether four Klamath River dams should be dynamited to help endangered salmon.


Craig Tucker, a spokesman for the Karuk Indian Tribe that favors dam removal, first heard the word after Grant gave a seminar in nearby Redding in 2009 attended by dam-removal foes.


“Now, when those guys open their mouths, the first thing they start talking about is coordination,” Tucker said. “It seems to me Fred Kelly Grant has sold people a bill of goods that amounts to snake oil.”


Jim Cook, a Siskiyou commissioner who attended Grant’s Redding seminar, said Tucker and federal managers dismiss coordination at their own peril.


Maybe it’s not a silver bullet, “but you do make them explain why they do things,” Cook said. “That makes the agencies squirm. It asks, ‘Can you come in front of a judge and explain why you blew this policy off?’ "


In an Oct. 19 letter, Cook threatened U.S. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar with a lawsuit for “failing to coordinate your dam destruction decision with Siskiyou County. We will not stand idly by and allow you to continue to violate the law,” Cook wrote.


Salazar’s agency responded Nov. 4, citing 27 meetings with county officials since 2010.
Department of Interior lawyers contend Cook misinterprets federal laws purporting to require coordination.


“We’re under no obligation to actually coordinate with these entities,” said federal Bureau of Reclamation spokesman Pete Lucero. “What this really boils down to is the fact that we don’t agree. The fact that we fail to agree does not mean there’s a failure to cooperate with each other.”

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I went looking for the video that "Call of Duty Goddess" did where she pointed out that it looked like Lavoy pointed at the foam bullet shooter after he fired. She said Lavoy pointed at him and said "he shot me". She has taken it down but I'd sure like to look at it again.

If I were on the jury and Fred Grant was the prosecutor against those who murdered Lavoy Finicum I'd find them guilty and want them punished to the full extent of the law. SOB's

I thought I'd repost this video of former army ranger John Moore and his thoughts on the murder of Lavoy Finicum. This video was posted on the 12th of February 2016 and fits well with the recent videos and analysis of the murder posted above. ^

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I were on the jury and Fred Grant was the prosecutor against those who murdered Lavoy Finicum I'd find them guilty and want them punished to the full extent of the law. SOB's

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I would also. The evidence speaks for itself. There was a group trying to get indictments against those who murdered LaVoy. I haven't read anthing about any progress recently.

A point of view from The Cowboy and the Lady,

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BLINDLY LEAD CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OF A LIFE & FREEDOM OF MANY

By The Cowboy and the Lady · Updated about an hour ago

As we began covering the Malheur Refuge story, way back what seems a lifetime ago...because it was a lifetime ago for one man we knew, Lavoy Finicum. Lavoy, in our opinion, was assassinated and now we see character assassination in full throttle against good men/women.

We started this journey into truth of the situation, facts surrounding the Hammond wrongful incarceration and Bundy attempts to have them vindicated.

As the months passed and evidence a plenty gave proof to the innocence of the Hammonds we continued covering the US vs. Bundy et al case. Much to our disappointment the facts have not seemed to matter as the Federal Prosecutors continue to create their own story line, use false witness and turn the facts upside down to their benefit.

We also see a Patriot world turned upside down by deception and lies, trickery of words and the innocence of those in Harney abused to manipulate another narrative, the destruction of the Patriot movement via infighting to the enth degree. We believe that pious fraud was used in an attempt to believe the end justified the means in allowing very unsavory folks to participate with Bundy and crew.

It has been masterful in the execution, both of Lavoy and the Patriot movement itself.

This tells us that the people have the Corporate US structure in a panic or there would not be so many informants and so much spent to destroy good people. Do you know that the amount of 100 MILLION is the number already being said to have been spent on this Refuge stand and trial? 100 HUNDRED million! That friends is beyond comprehensible even to the simplest man or woman.

So, as we see it, the Blind were leading the blind as they followed the "manipulators, patriots for pay, informants and down right theatrical drama queens right into the laps of the destruction of the good name of patriots".

The Bundys were led by informants to make choices that have landed them behind bars as their character is also being assassinated. For all who have stood by the Bundy family this massacre of justice is impossible to fathom. To all who have stood by the Bundy family and given evidence of informants and criminals to them it is unfathomable that the bad elements were allowed to stay, and to the supporters this entire event from start to finish has the appearance of Federal staging, planting of people and lies to destroy all that the supporters have stood to protect.

Will the American people recover? We sure hope not, because the truth is BAM in your face that this country is in trouble when ranchers are being entrapped as thugs and thieves walk free to riot and kill. As thugs are jailed and released on bail pending trial yet the defendants still behind bars in this case and the Nevada case are held without bail and many having no prior convictions or rap sheet. (unlike those surrounding the defense with some having rap sheets so long one has to turn pages). Well folks, we have shared the evidence, said our peace and now we pray for the entire truth to roll out so we can roll up the saddle blanket and go home knowing we did our best to get you the facts, some facts sure got us beat up for sharing, but all we can say is that we stood to help the men and the information we shared right from the get go should have freed them...go figure! just like a green horse one doesn't know how long it will take to ride without a buckin and man have we done all we can to go the 8.

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