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It has been posted on facebook that Judge Anna J. Brown says we don't need to know the names of the informants. To reveal their names might endanger their lives.
The bastards should have considered that before selling out to Satan.
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Maxine Bernstein, Oregon Live. "Who is John Killman?"
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta...s_john_ki.html
http://image.oregonlive.com/home/oli...atars/4406.pngBy Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
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on October 17, 2016 at 1:01 PM, updated October 17, 2016 at 1:24 PM
Oregon standoff: 'Who is John Killman?' Defense lawyers believe he was an FBI confidential source
Defense lawyers in the Oregon standoff case want to call a man who goes by the alias "John Killman,'' believing he's one of the FBI's 15 confidential informants who had contact with occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
Killman, they argue, was a participant in the firearms and military-style maneuvers training during the occupation and helped train one of the defendants, Jeff Banta, in hand-to-hand combat techniques, according to court testimony.
He spoke with a French or South African accent to people at the refuge and his Facebook profile includes a majority of friends who occupied the refuge, according to defense lawyers.
"We are dealing here with a situation of a confidential informant who is participating in the commission of the alleged offense,'' defense lawyer Marcus Mumford said in court.
Prosecutors wouldn't confirm whether or not the man identified as Killman was working for the government.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Barrow said prosecutors aren't obligated to disclose any information identifying informants. If a person takes the witness stand and isn't truthful about their role, then the government would be responsible to come forward and correct any misinformation, he said.
Lawyer Tiffany Harris, who represents defendant Shawna Cox, said Killman has been adamant that he wasn't an FBI informant, yet the unredacted records that defense lawyers have from the government on the 15 confidential sources provides supporting material to suggest that he was acting in that capacity. They believe he is "confidential source No. 2.''
U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown directed defense lawyers to find a court-appointed attorney for this so-called Mr. Killman because he could be opening himself up to exposure for potential criminal liability if he testified on the witness stand.
By lunch hour, court-appointed lawyer Norman Sepenuk informed the judge that Killman does intend to testify and isn't interested in pleading Fifth Amendment, but the lawyer asked to speak to the judge in chambers.
"I'm not sure about the wisdom of his testimony,'' Sepenuk said. "He has certain ideas about the impact of his testimony.''
The judge asked defense lawyers to meet with Killman's newly appointed lawyer to determine if his testimony is needed or sought.
"In his judgment, what his client may have to offer may not be helpful,'' Brown told lawyers after emerging from her chambers.
According to the defense lawyers' investigation, Killman arrived at the refuge on Jan. 23. He lives in Las Vegas and has admitted to traveling to the refuge, staying in the refuge bunkhouse one night and at a hotel in the area for two nights and leaving on Jan. 26 after the arrests of Ammon Bundy and other leaders involved.
He admitted to defense lawyers that he offered firearms "safety'' classes to refuge occupiers and was present during the firing of assault rifles from the refuge boat launch, which was captured on a video and presented to jurors by the government.
The judge described the circumstances surrounding Killman's testimony and the defense desire to have the government confirm that he's the FBI's "confidential human source No. 2'' as a "very unique scenario.''
Brown ruled that she wouldn't order the government to identify any of its 15 confidential sources, although two others already have been named: Mark McConnell, who drove the Jeep that Ammon Bundy was riding in when he was arrested on Jan. 26, and Terri Linnell, a California woman who testified for the defense that she provided information to the FBI from the refuge.
However, if a witness testifies in a way that the government knows is false, "then we have a different story,'' Brown added.
Defense lawyer Matthew Schindler, who represents defendant Kenneth Medenbach, argued that the defense team has the right to know who these "mystery people'' are who brought all the 22 long guns and 12 handguns to the refuge that prosecutors had FBI agents parade before jurors.
The judge directed defense lawyers and prosecutors to come to an agreement on a stipulation that could be read to jurors noting the number of government confidential sources and the number of FBI sources that were present at the refuge during the occupation.
In other developments Monday, the judge limited the government's proposed rebuttal case. Prosecutors can't call a government lawyer to discuss the court orders that were in place regarding Cliven Bundy's cattle that led to the standoff with protesters in April 2014 outside his ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. They also can't call U.S. Bureau of Land Management agent Jason Curry to discuss the armed standoff in Bunkerville. The judge reminded the government there's already a stipulation before jurors on what occurred in Bunkerville.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Barrow had sought to call those witnesses to rebut what he characterized as Ammon Bundy's "distorted'' testimony about what precipitated the Bunkerville standoff.
Prosecutors offered their first witness in their rebuttal case, FBI Special Agent Benjamin Jones, who was called to challenge defense witness rancher Duane Schrock's testimony last week that he was intimidated by Jones before he was called to the stand as a defense witness.
Jones said he did show up unannounced to Schrock's ranch outside Crane on Sept. 21 at the request of Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel after prosecutors learned Schrock would be called as a witness.
During direct examination, Jones admitted he pressed Schrock about what guns he saw on the refuge. When Schrock told him he had seen a handful of guns, the agent said he continued to ask him further about the guns he had seen, surprised that during the number of visits Schrock had made to the refuge he hadn't seen more. Schrock then told him that he was surprised to see a man walk into a meeting he was having with Ammon Bundy, holding a long gun.
During cross-examination by Ryan Bundy and Marcus Mumford, Jones acknowledged that he was armed and accompanied by another agent when he visited with Schrock.
-- Maxine Bernstein
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Todd Macfarlane with his report for Monday Oct. 17
http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoi...-defense-case/
DAY 20 — Monday, October 17, 2016
Government Informants become a major sticking point:
Last week, prosecutors said in court the government used 15 confidential informants during the occupation. Only two are known: a San Diego, California, woman named Terri Linnell who was at the refuge from Jan. 12 to 23; and Mark McConnell, who drove Ammon Bundy from the refuge toward John Day on Jan. 26, the day Bundy was arrested. McConnell tipped off law enforcement to their location and provided a “threat assessment,” according to an Oregon State Police trooper who testified in the case.
“Obviously, it’s important to us to be able to know for certain that the activities our government alleges our clients committed are not actually acts committed by government informants,” said attorney Matt Schindler, hybrid counsel for defendant Ken Medenbach.
Schindler said there’s no way to know because the government hasn’t revealed who the informants were.
“We have a number of weapons and a giant quantity of ammunition that the government made no effort to attribute to anyone specifically,” Schindler said.
“One of our real concerns is people affiliated with the government or working for the government were people who brought these firearms to the refuge and therefore the evidence that is there that the government is using to support this notion of a threat is in fact evidence that the government created,” said Shindler.
Schindler acknowledged there’s an informant’s privilege for the government to withhold information, “but I think as the trial’s developed and as we’ve seen the testimony come out, the possible significance of that has become more clear,” he said. “That’s why we’re dealing with this subject now as opposed when we technically should’ve been dealing with it, which is before trial.”
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“Various reports provided in discovery, along with defense witness interviews, document the arrival, on January 23, 2016, of a weapons instructor, expert in ‘hand to hand training’ and leader in defensive drills at the refuge,” Tiffany Harris, standby counsel for defendant Shanwa Cox, wrote in an early Monday court filing. “’John Killman’— as he was known to the refuge occupiers — spoke with a French or South African accent.”
Harris goes on to write that defense attorneys have subpoenaed a Las Vegas man who speaks with a French accent and admitted to visiting the refuge for three days, leaving on Jan. 26. The man reportedly offered what he describes as firearms “safety” classes to people at the refuge and used the alias John Killman.
Harris also wrote that Killman’s Facebook profile was created in January after the occupation began and that most of his friends on the social networking site are people who occupied the refuge. Harris said in the filing that another “Confidential Human Source” said there was more shooting at the refuge Jan. 25 – that’s during the time Killman was said to be there.
Harris specifically references a video the government played for the jury, taken from one of the occupiers’ cellphones. It depicts heavy arms fire at the refuge boat launch. During their case, the government said it showed organized, tactical training taking place the refuge.
“The defense must be permitted to tell the jury that some of the most dramatic evidence of force, threat, or intimidation in this case was created, at least in part, by a paid government informant or agent,” Haris writes. “If Mr. Killman was dispatched to the refuge, in the waning days of the occupation, to encourage refuge occupiers to engage in mock tactical drills and trainings and to fire weapons on refuge property, then the jury should be able to consider that fact.”
Harris wrote that the government has declined to answer whether Killman was an informant.
defense subpoenaed and called “John Killman” to testify. He admitted that his real name was Fabio Minoggio, and that he was feeding information to the goverment,j and the government was covering his expenses.. He he had taken charge of firearms training at the “shooting range” at the boat ramp, and was responsible for much of the ammunition that was expended there that was presented as evidence. But the government successfully blocked disclosure of the identities of any of the other informants.
Before the defense rested, it also called Duane Schrock, a Harney County rancher, to testify. He testfied that even after FBI Agent Ben Jones testified during the prosecution case back in September, he tracked down Schrock and sought to question, interrogate and influence his possible testimony in the case. The defense argued that under any other circumstances Jones’ actions would be considered intimidating, and treated as witness tampering.
After the defense rested, the prosecution started calling rebuttal witnesses. It had hoped to call a DOJ attorney and a BLM employee to talk about Bunkerville, but they were blocked. The prosecution did call http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploa...-1-300x237.jpgHarney County Judge/commissioner Steven Grasty, who had been responsible for blocking access to public building venues in Harney County. He said that he made that decision, among other things, based on, in his words “crimes that were being committed at the Refuge,” but the court ordered his statement stricken, because it has not yet been determined whether there were any crimes being committed at the Refuge.
On Tuesday, October 18, the Court will begin instructing the jury, and the Government will begin making its closing arguments, followed by closing arguments from the defendants. At this point, it is expected that the case may be turned over to the jury by about noon on Wednesday.
For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive, and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB), Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook, John Lamb on Facebook, Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom and Redoubt News.
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
John Lamb Morning Oct. 17 Malheur Protest Trial, combine with Kelli Stewart video
http://youtu.be/iwxMDUbsM8s
https://youtu.be/iwxMDUbsM8s
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Defendant Mathew Deatherage posted a facebook video re todays court session
https://www.facebook.com/matthew.dea...4473/?permPage
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From Maxine Bernstein's twitter, defense rests, rebuttal over jury instructions next
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...ee4ba6fc96f152
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If this could be proven and the jury were to hear it . . . . .
From Thom Davis/Rene Powers The Cowboy and the Lady facebook:
Slider Joe I'm thinking that maybe the whole thing was a big setup from the start... Shaking my head.. WOW
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https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net...502d4f36a7bb87
The Cowboy and the Lady Of course it was and orchestrated by feds, informants, bad state actors who call themselves public servants and attorneys
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https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net...502d4f36a7bb87
The Cowboy and the Lady That's the problem feds were the aggressors in the whole business. Then to hear refuge employees were told if they came across Wright point towards the refugee that they would be arrested. So the I ask at that point were is the conspiracy to keep fed. Officers from work?
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Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
This informant aka John Kilman was also a Russian Arms Specialist for 20 years
Thom Davis/Rene Powers "Favio Minoggio. ..also 20 year Russian military specialist. Just peachy..."
The Cowboy and the Lady
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Lol, it seems more feds were working at the refuge than real protesters, so how could they be impeding employees? Seems more were employed at the refuge than ever before!
So, the town had record business for the usually sparse business season, hundreds of federal employees hit town to work, Ammon and crew clean the refuge and fix things....doesn't sound like impeding it sounds like bringing jobs and income to the area, don't you think?
It was the Fed's who trashed the refuge, threatened town folks pretending to be militia members and the informants looked for trouble while Ammon worked to blow the whistle on corruption and protect Americans who were being trespassed upon and lands stolen. Hmmmm...
#Trthecowboyand1
