Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
William Kullman CHS #14, an insider at the Malheur Refuge. Gary Hunt Outpost of Freedom
« A Thought on Leadership
Burns Chronicles No 51 – William “Will” Kullman (Night Hawk)
December 28, 2016, 1:25 pm
Burns Chronicles No 51
William “Will” Kullman (Night Hawk)
http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/w...er-cropped.jpg
Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
December 28, 2016
Jon Ritzheimer had put out a call for more people to come to the Refuge, shortly after the occupation on January 2, 2016. Many people who supported the effort being made by Ammon Bundy and the others resent that message.On January 3, Will Kullman contacted Maureen Peltier (SSG Moe). Peltier was one of those who had passed the message on. His first contact with Peltier shows that he was from Lake Stevens, Washington and that he was Founder of “Kullman Combat Organization”. Some of the text messages indicate his desire to help:
“I wanna come down to Oregon to help. What do I need to bring and when is the best time to come?”
Is there an armed militia that is doing security like we did at Sugar Pine and Bundy? Just wondering if I should bring a weapon.
He then stated that he “had a team ready to go…” And, then asked for a contact for when he got there. However, when he arrived in Burns, he was alone.
He knew that Ritzheimer was a Marine, so he sent the message:
“I will be there to help him. Tell him a fellow Marine is on his way to help him. Tell him I said “Semper Fi.”
On January 6, as he entered Harney County, he relayed messages through Peltier, announcing his approaching the Refuge. At 8:33 PM, he was driving in fog about 16 miles out from the Refuge. Then, at 10:56 pm, he reported to Peltier that he had arrived and that he “just met up with Ryan.” (Not sure if it was Payne or Bundy, as both were present at the time.)
“Semper fi”, short for “semper fidelis”, is the Marine Corps motto, Always faithful — that Marines will always be faithful to the Corps and other Marines. Both Ritzheimer and Kullman were Marines, though Kullman was more than willing to turn against his fellow Marine.
January 7, the day after Kullman arrived, he texted:
“You know there’s only maximum 40 of us here… Not as many as before. Get the word out. They are cutting power to the Refuge.”
Peltier questioned his going public with that sort of information and told Kullman that such information should only come out from the leadership. Peltier was beginning to have questions about Kullman’s assertiveness and assuming the authority to speak for the Refuge..
Then, on January 8, in an apparent effort to impress Peltier, he texts:
“Actually, I was just made the team leader of the militia with Jon, so trust my intel when I give it to you.”
Peltier, concerned about what role Kullman is playing, contacted Ritzheimer to explain what Kullman was doing. She indicates to Kullman that she has spoken with Ritzheimer and that he did not want any numbers to be given out. Kullman had been given a leadership position; he replaced Ryan Payne as head of one of the three militia units. The initial militia units were headed by Payne, Ritzheimer, and Varner, as explained in “Burns Chronicles No 40 – Allen Varner (Wolf)“.
The next day, January 9, Kullman is again trying to butter up Peltier, probably realizing that she has concerns about him, texts:
“At the point, with as much media that’s been here, everyone knows. You’re the only person that can get trusted and resourceful information out to the people. I’m sorry that I made you feel like a subordinate, but, the fact remains your ability to get the word out that we need help is impertinent (?) to the cause. I know we don’t know each other that well, but if Payne, Cooper, the Bundys and even Ritzheimer trust my judgment, maybe you could too, one day. Thanks for what you are doing. Out.”
You can see that he is trying to get closer to Peltier by his praise and his claim that “Payne, Cooper, the Bundys and even Ritzheimer trust” his judgment“. Kullman ended up leaving the Refuge on January 12 or 13.
Thus ended the communication between Kullman and Peltier, until January 26, after LaVoy Finicum was murdered, and all but two of the remaining members of the convoy had been arrested. There was confusion as to whether the Ryan that had been shot was Bundy or Payne. Until subsequent calls were made, and eventually it was established that it was Ryan Bundy, only Mark McConnell and Victoria Sharp knew for sure who it was. So, Kullman crowns his lies with a final effort to endear himself to Peltier, when he sends this message:
“Just got off the phone with a person who was with the people that were arrested, and he was released. Told me what happened to everyone including Payne and LaVoy."
It was Ryan Bundy, and McConnell knew that. Payne was put with McConnell, Ammon, and Booda, where they sat in the cold until the events down the road, where Ryan Bundy received a wound and LaVoy was killed.
Peltier, however, had had enough of Kullman and refused to answer any texts after the 8th.
Now, let’s venture into Kullman’s role as an informant and what information he provided to the FBI. This information is from the FBI form 1023, “CHS Reporting Documents”. CHS is Confidential Human Source”, or informant, or perhaps, spy. This, “xxxx”, indicates redactions within the paragraph. Those marked “PTM” by me are probably “Private Text Messages”, since time-stamps appear on the reports.
January 7, 2016 – PTM7: 27 AM: xxxx The whole refuge is under control. The federal worker cabins on sight are being used for shelter and housing for the militia. Hot water, electricity, and hot chow available. Numbers are minimal and most have received very little sleep. Weapons are not required for watch, but are not frowned upon either. They are trying not to make a scene by having them.
2:26 PM: There is a large supply of free food and a lot of donations. CHS is on the inside with JON RITZHEIMER and RYAN PAYNE. CHS has been asked to be a body guard for the BUNDY’s. Right now, there is zero organization and they are in a defensive posture. There are one or two guys on guard. There is a front guard and a back gate guard. The guys also have zero experience as far as training and weapons. There are about 30-40 people and maybe 75% are combatants. Weapons are staying in vehicles. Most everyone is just carrying a pistol on them. Mostly 5.56, hand guns, and some 7.62 Ak-style rifles. There are some higher calibers, like a couple of .308’s and apparently a .300 Win Mag. There is consistent talks of taking up arms if LEO/FEDS come onto the refuge and they all seem pretty serious about it. They are going through the property and using what they can use to aid their stay.
2:27 PM: Only a few folks have armor with no QRF, patrolling or legitimate security in place. There is a total complacency for security. These guys don’t have a clue what they are doing.
January 8, 2016– PTM12:40 PM: There is an older guy, drives a 90’s model Suburban and dressed like a cowboy. He stated that he planned to go to where LEO were and give them a piece of his mind.
1:20 PM: More gun fighters showed up. 8 or 9 of them with AR-15’s, pistols, but no kits yet observed. They are an organized group from southeast Oregon.
2:35 PM: No eyes on, but confirmed through constituents that the Oregon III% and Idaho III% have deployed to the refuge. “Reinforcements” are inbound.
2:43 PM: There is a guy LEO should look into. He is talking about how the way we deal with the problem is to ambush officials and “blow their heads off with shotguns and solve the problem no evidence.” His name is ROBERT HART and he is in his mid-50’s. He’s a lunatic. CHS noted he/she would attempt to get license plate. He drives a green two-door Suburban. He is not associated with these guys and they have made numerous complaints about him already.
January 9, 2016 PTM11:39 AM: About 20 vehicles with 50+ men from Idaho and Oregon III% and OATH KEEPERS just showed up. Add about another 100 firearms to my original count. ANDREW BERDOTHA is here now.
2:42 PM: BERDOTHA and that huge convoy of III% left. They are apparently staying in the area, but not at the refuge. BERDOTHA admitted they had been harassing LEO’s out in town. RYAN BUNDY and his bodyguard with a two man security detail are out in BURNS, OR heading to BLM office to screw a sign to the door that says “permanently closed.
”Now, Sheriff Ward, the FBI, Mainstream Media, and many others, claimed that those at the Refuge were harassing the LEOs in Burns. However, Kullman reports that it was Idaho III%, Oregon III%, and OathKeepers that were responsible for the harassing going on in Burns. No wonder the FBI wanted to hide Kullman and his testimony. Berdotha is an OathKeeper from Bend, Oregon.
3:41 PM: BERDOTHA talked about their group going to the airport to harass you guys (Agent note: “You guys” are meant to be FBI.)
10:08 PM The numbers for during the day and night as permanent personnel stay roughly the same. Maybe +/- 5 people stay out in town, but they are most out of town ranchers or civilians who are in a supportive role. The media never stay overnight. There are roughly 20 “Militia” or “security” combatants on site. However, there are about 50 people on site and all of them claim to be combatants. But actual personnel who are pulling security and have weapons is about 20. There are around 6 children ages 10 and younger with 2 infants to include AMMON BUNDY’s family who are staying on site. Key players, such as RITZ, PAYNE, the BUNDY’s and COOPER do not stay in town, they stay at the refuge every night.
11:04 PM: If you mess with the refuge (Agent note: referring to LEO), they will be right behind you to take you down.
January 10, 2016 – PTM9:41 AM: AMMON BUNDY and a small personal security detail are heading south to Fields, OR in one vehicle. There are 5 total personnel and 6 total weapons. They are heading down on the 205 and not using any other routes.
9:48 AM: They are going to Fields, OR to attend a meeting where they will talk with the community about the refuge and what they’re doing. They are traveling in a white, four door, Ford pick-up.
Kullman has been providing tactical information, however, here, he is setting the stage, probably hoping that the FBI will set up a roadblock and take Ammon and the others down. It appears that he is traveling with them, and would probably play hero if there was a roadblock, and arrest Ammon while still in the “white, four door, Ford pick-up“, going south on 205.
11:25 AM: At Fields, OR school house. There are about 50-60 people in attendance including children.
2:22 PM: Group heading back to refuge from Fields, OR.4:33 PM: Denotes picture of LEQUIEU. (Picture attached to 1A).
5:18 PM: Retired Army General NELSON has arrived and he presented AMMON BUNDY with his bronze star from Iraq. NELSON is here for moral support.
5:46 PM: PAYNE has been pretty stable, mainly dealing with operations politics with the ranchers. He is always with the BUNDY’s, PATRICK, and RITZ. He rarely leaves.
10:02 PM: PAYNE will be leaving soon. He isn’t staying much longer, but plans on returning. PAYNE and RITZ are going to be outside the wire tonight on patrol armed with AR 5.56 and .308 FAL with scope. Unsure of their exact location.
January 11, 2016 – PTM – [It appears that there was two-way texting going on during this session. Case agent is pasting CHS texting, but not his own.]
5:06 AM: CHS reported, ” I asked. He’s working on it.”
5:34 AM: There is no evidence or proof that government computers were used, but it appears that the computers on the refuge appear untouched. Only hard supplies, like paper, printers, and physical supplies were used. The only other computers here are personal ones. No one appears capable of being able to access the computers via hacking.
10:25 AM: PAYNE is in town on a mail run.10:29 AM: PAYNE plans to leave for an extended period of time.
xxxx10:34 AM: LEQUIEU confirmed he was a felon today in a debate over gun rights with felons. As far as the other two, one does not have a weapon with him, or on him, and one has expressed he is not allowed to carry one. The other one is no longer on the refuge.
2:36 PM: Someone sent that to RITZ and PAYNE (referring to photo of sexual toy-picture attached.)
2:37 PM: Do you understand how hard it is to control my composure? I’m dying on the inside (referring to aforementioned photo).
5:53 PM: Agents and LEO followed RITZHEIMER? Because that’s what he said. If you did or have Agents hanging out near the refuge, or on any ridge, PAYNE and JASON PATRICK agreed to go full kit and weapon to approach the Agents and surround them to talk. (Agent note: On 01/19/2016, additional details were provided in a follow-up interview). RITZHEIMER believed he was followed while on his way into town on HWY 205. He was on his way to the VERIZON store when 3-4 all white law enforcement vehicles followed him.
What? No threat, simply talk? That’s not what we heard in the courtroom.
5:58 PM: No he was followed into town. Said it was federal VIC’s and LEO that followed him into town.
6:31 PM: You know they ripped down a fence the BLM put up right?
8:18 PM: Two more semi auto .308’s showed up today. An MIA Socom and FAL.
8:58 PM: Unsure of the timing, but the people here are trying to get a lot of money together to make a large purchase of tactical equipment. They want LBV’s, mag pouches, magazines, ammo, optics, holsters, and belts. They want to use the items to distribute to people who came with nothing. Some people are saying they are willing to contribute money to purchase weapons. It’s all talk right now. As far as acting on it, it is unclear when it will happen.
January 12, 2016 – PTM8:59 AM: It is unclear when, but people at MWR are trying to get a lot of money together to make a large purchase of tactical equipment. They want to buy IBV’s, mag pouches, magazines, ammo, optics, holsters, and belts for people who show-up with nothing. Some people are saying they will contribute money to buy weapons, but it’s all talk right now. Unsure when they will act on it.
2:06 PM: For the past two nights, PAYNE and RITZHEIMER have been out around 11 PM -2 AM looking for federal and local law enforcement officers who may be in the area on the sides of the roads. They have been taking weapons with them and have been looking for about 2.5 hours to “show a force” to the Agents or LEO’s if they see them. They are usually in the area of 205 MSR.
2:23 PM: Located another shotgun and .300 WIN MAG.
Kullman then left the Refuge. However, he hadn’t ended his role. His Case Agent, shortly before the murder of Lavoy Finicum, who had some questions, contacted him.
January 22, 2016 CHS was asked to identify an individual in a photo. The individual in the attached photo is standing to the left with a black stocking cap on and a desert digital camouflage top. CHS identified the individual as Geoff Stanek who CHS believed was from northwest Oregon. CHS stated that Stanek could also be from southwest Washington. CHS stated that Stanek is a Army combat medic veteran.
CHS was also asked if any of the subjects at the MWR had fired a weapon while at the refuge. CHS stated that the subjects talked about making a rifle range on the property to shoot and practice, but was changed to building one off the refuge and shooting somewhere else. Payne was interested in finding out where the “Feds” had been posting up and set up a rifle range right next to them.
The FBI sought identification of individuals in a photograph, though no indication of the source of the photo. Then, they queried about gun firing on the Refuge, even though the Refuge allows hunting and has no restriction on firearms (See Burns Chronicles No 26 – Firearms Not Allowed). It was just a day later that “John Killman (See Burns Chronicles No 42 – Fabio Minoggio (John Killman)) began firearms training and led the occupiers in to a firing exercise, which the video of became a key piece of the prosecution’s evidence – until Killman testified.
January 25, 2016CHS reported that Jon Ritzheimer left the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (MWR) last night and plans to be away for approximately a week or so. Payne is still at the MWR and CHS was not aware if Payne intended to ever leave on his own.
January 25, 21016, the day before LaVoy’s death, is the last report that is within the obtained documents.
Kullman demonstrates one of the characteristics of an informant. He tried to ride Peltier as an entrance to the Refuge, hoping that it would be “credentials”, though Peltier made clear that she did not know Kullman. Kullman then lied to Peltier about his role and authority at the Refuge, but he failed, in that effort, too.
When someone starts dropping names, contact those named to see if what is claimed is, in fact, true. Your diligence, in this regard, may save you some grief.
Kullman was an “inside” informant, identified as “CHS #14”.
Prior to publishing this article, I called Kullman. As I began to explain that I was writing an article about the role he played at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, and see if he wanted to see the article and comment, he hung up the phone, in my midsentence.
Share this:
Like this:
Tags: Bundy, Burns Oregon, demonization, FBI, government, hammond, Harney County, Honor, informants, Moral Values, patriots, security
Category: Articles | Comment (RSS) | Trackback
2 Comments
Leave a Reply
Name (required)
Mail (will not be published) (required)
Website
Notify me of follow-up comments by email.
Notify me of new posts by email.
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
https://scontent.fbog2-2.fna.fbcdn.n...ec&oe=58EAFECE
https://m.facebook.com/1000118139228...%3Du_0_h&mdf=1l
Kelli Stewart added 3 new photos.
11 hours agohttps://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php...b6V8rCbZAP.png
In the past day, we have learned William kullman (Security detail for Ammon and Ryan) was at the refuge as a government informant and also visited us twice in Portland during trial, President Obama stole over a million acres from the people in two different Sovereign States and gave it to the federal government and Ryan Payne's motion for a plea reversal in Oregon was denied. Never a dull moment.
While we're talking about dull moments, WHO SHOT LAVOY TO MAKE HIM DROP HIS HANDS AND THEN WHO JOINED THE CONSPIRACY AND SHOT HIM 3 TIMES IN THE BACK TAKING HIM TO HIS DEATH AND WHEN IS THEIR TRIAL?!?!?!?! Also, Who fired shots at the truck hitting Ryan Bundy in the shoulder and almost killing two, non threatening women? How's that 11 month long investigation going FBI and DOJ?
Do we ever get answers from our government when they've gone rogue? Or do we forget as we're lured into compliance with nice things and nice vacations?
I will not forget.
#JusticeForLavoy
#FreeTheHammonds
#FreethePatriots
#LibertyRising
#Stand
46 Shares
https://scontent.fbog2-2.fna.fbcdn.n...48&oe=58F5A496
2 Shares
https://scontent.fbog2-2.fna.fbcdn.n...ef&oe=58DD088D
1 Share
https://scontent.fbog2-2.fna.fbcdn.n...a4&oe=58E2CF22
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
I think he meant to say first nigger president . . . . . . . http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/...ea-motion.html
|
For concise, informative and thought provoking analysis of the news.
The Independent Voice for Conservative Values!
Less Gov is the Best Gov, Because Less Government
is the Best Government!
© Scott Rohter - All rights reserved |
http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/...ebook-icon.jpg
|
in Malheur Occupation Trial Finally Rules on Ryan Payne’s Change of Plea Motion…
Posted by Scott Rohter on Thursday, December 29, 2016
Share
http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/...Anna-judge.png
Judge Anna J. Brown
The old adage, “Better late than never” unfortunately doesn’t apply to a Montana man named Ryan Payne… He is one of the defendants in the Oregon Standoff Trial who pled guilty to charges of preventing Federal officers from doing their job through the use of threats or intimidation. Mr. Payne pled guilty under duress while being denied bail and kept in custody for almost a year now. Mr. Payne’s guilty plea was offered in return for a promise to receive concurrent sentences in Oregon and Nevada on another federal indictment he will stand trial for next month involving the Bunkerville Standoff which at the Bundy Ranch in 2014. Mr. Payne sought to withdraw his guilty plea when Federal prosecutors in Nevada failed to honor their arrangements with him. For Ryan Payne it would have been better if Judge Brown had never ruled on his motion to withdraw his guilty plea…
Alas, nearly two months after an Oregon Jury returned NOT GUILTY verdicts for Ammon and Ryan Bundy, and five other defendants in the first group to stand trial over the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge the same District Court Judge, Anna J. Brown who presided over those trials denied Ryan Payne’s motion today to withdraw his guilty plea after Federal prosecutors renigged on their deal with him…
http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/...Ryan_Payne.png
Defending her decision not to grant Mr. Payne’s change of plea the judge declared, “It was a typical case of buyers remorse”. Mr. Payne filed his motion to change his plea to NOT GUILTY over two and a half months ago on October 13th, 2016 long before an Oregon jury returned not guilty verdicts for all seven defendants in the first group to stand trial, but Federal prosecutors objected to his change of plea motion even though they were the ones who reneged on the plea deal they offered him to have any sentence he received in Oregon run concurrently with any sentence he received in Nevada.
As a result of the Judge’s ruling Ryan Payne will now have to serve at least three and a half years in Federal prison for his participation in the protest in Oregon in addition to whatever time he receives in Nevada while everyone else who was at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon including the leaders of the so called “occupation” wont have to serve any time in jail in theory at least…
Actually Ammon and Ryan Bundy have already been locked up without bail for almost a year now just like Payne…
but that is how our wonderful justice system works under America’s first Black President and America’s second Black Attorney General.
Isn’t diversity a great thing?
Be Sociable, Share!
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
Jon Ritzheimer to question Mark McConnell in court hearing Jan. 8, Pete Santilli Show
http://thepetesantillishow.com/jon-r...sment-hearing/
Jon Ritzheimer To Question Informant Mark McConnell In upcoming Harassment Hearing
He'll be under oath and I look forward to finally being able to ask this guy some questions ...
petesantillishow
Home › News › Jon Ritzheimer To Question Informant Mark McConnell In upcoming Harassment Hearing
http://thepetesantillishow.com/wp-co...0661151294.gif
http://thepetesantillishow.com/wp-co...AM-1024x96.png
Phoenix Arizona
Mark McConnell who was ordered to stop the harassment of a popular activist out of Arizona, has decided to fight the injunction (Restraining Order) that he was served with on Christmas Eve, and will now face questioning by Jon Ritzheimer in an upcoming public hearing in Phoenix, Arizona.
Mr. Ritzheimer who filed a police report after being assaulted by McConnell at a Pheonix eatery this past October, says he looks forward to questioning Mark McConnell under oath when this goes before a Judge.
http://thepetesantillishow.com/wp-co...m-1024x580.jpgI have some questions for Mark McConnell concerning his role as an informant and if that role includes threatening me while I’m having dinner – says Ritzheimer. If this guy is still on the payroll I think I have a right to know, especially if he is going to approach me with a weapon and challenge me to a fight. Is he following me around Phoenix in an ongoing FBI effort to implicate me in some kind of wrong-doing or is he just harassing me because he enjoys being a bully? He’ll be under oath and I look forward to finally being able to ask this guy some questions …
It is not lost on the activist community whom often refer to themselves as “Patriots,” that Mark McConnell and those who follow him have targeted anyone who would criticize the – self appointed border guard turned informant – for his role in the takedown and murder of LaVoy Finicum, and arrest of respected activist Ammon Bundy and others during the Malheur Refuge Adverse Possession outside of Burns, Oregon last winter.
McConnell and the men and women who empowered and encouraged him in some instances to become an informant, are quick to go “full blown assassin” on any Soccer Mom, Grandmother, Veteran, friend, or family member that is even slightly critical of Mr. McConnell and his part-time job with the FBI.
It’s like these people have a spy watching every thread, says a stay at home mom of 3 from Wisconsin;I started following the story this past Winter and have no connection to a Militia, or border group or really any of the people involved — I just thought it was an interesting story. When McConnell was outed during the trial, I left a comment in the thread of one of the Oregon outlets that was covering the case, and simply said I wasn’t shocked that he was an informant because he didn’t get arrested when everyone else did back in January .. I was immediately attacked, and the language was so frightening I immediately deleted my comment.
Our Wisconsin Mom of 3 isn’t the only one who found herself reaping a verbal lashing from Team McConnell; hundreds of people logged complaints against the “Arizona Informant Network” when Louis Author the founder of Veterans on Patrol based in Phoenix Arizona, made “barely veiled death threats” against an outraged public during a series of live Facebook rants shortly after McConnell was exposed.
Ritzheimer sees McConnell’s in person physical threat against him as a next step in the evolution of this new breed of Border Bullies that feel they have some sort of self appointed high-ground to police, harass, and intimidate people that don’t agree with their agenda.
Jon Ritzheimer will face Mark McConnell in an open to the public hearing on January 5th @ 8:30 am in the Phoenix Municipal Courthouse.
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
Quote:
Originally Posted by
monty
More from this lady Vicky Gray on the communist Bruce Babbit. https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch#
https://scontent.fbog2-2.fna.fbcdn.n...4f&oe=59221094
Vickey Gray
This is so much more than jurisdiction it is fraud on the Supreme Court. By Bruce Babbitt, you see he had to follow the law in 1993, but he had a plan so he set up a nonprofit called the Public lands Council v Babbitt, he claimed the public land council represented the farm bureaus and the grazing rights groups but they did not. As you can imagine the Public Lands Council did nothing for their supposed groups 10th Cir then on to the US Supreme Court. Now the corruption takes off. In 2004, he tells all about his scam. At the University of Colorado, Center of the American West.
6 hrs · Edited
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
What I consider to be a very good OP/ED in RangeFire written by a Harney County,Oregon rancher Tim Smith, also chairman of Harney County Committee of Safety
I believe the passage of the admistrative procedures act allowing federal agencies/bureaus to write their own regulations in 1946, the creation of the Bureau of Land Management the same year coupled with human nature's lust for power has been the death nell to private property ownership in Western America. Obama's abuse of the antquites act has added to the problem.
http://rangefire.us/2017/01/03/missi...y-tim-k-smith/
Missing Elements in the Western Land Use Discussion — Op/Ed — by Tim K. Smith
January 3, 2017 - Government/Politics, Land Use News, Opinion/Editorial, Property Rights - Tagged: Allotments, BLM, federal, property rights, public lands, Ranching, Range, RANGEfire - 1 comment
http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploa...-5-295x300.jpg
The western land use events of the last few years seem to have been analyzed, pondered, condemned, praised and generally discussed into a state of confusion and stalemate. For forty or so years I have been active in the advocacy for economic natural resource development, mining, timber, grazing and water.
In these last few years since the Hage case, came the Bullock/Griffen land grab, the Federal intrusion at Bunkerville , the James Redd San Juan County Utah overreaction, the Pautre Fire in South Dakota and most recently the Hammond Family miscarriage of justice and Malheur Refuge and Standing Rock pipeline standoffs.
A myriad of new groups have recognized the abuses and failures of the Federal management of our resource lands. Despite all good intentions, no focused unified direction has been established by those affected by federal abuse and mismanagement.
Individual states such as Utah and Nevada have made the case internally for legislative changes demanding transfer of most Federally managed lands to the state. Most other non-legislative efforts have focused on raising monies to support individuals’ efforts to litigate abuses to their private and divided lands use rights. An example is the well organized and well-intentioned but politically entrenched Cattlemen’s Associations.
It seems three things are missing in the efforts to eliminate bureaucratic resource abuse: (1) education on existing rights of resource users; (2) taking on the root of the problem rather than fighting the after effects of current management abuse; (3) selfless unified action.
http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploa...R1-300x169.jpg
A Missing element 1;
Education; A good example of the failure to understand and unify behind a single issue would be the yearly decreases in grazing allotment numbers and size across the West. It is estimated in the last 20 years AUMs have been reduced across the West by about 40%. In order to survive a rancher with grazing allotment(s) will either have to decease his herd size or increase their cost of feeding cows by 40%. How many small business could survive that kind of readjustment in their business plan? It seems to me that the common sense solution to this would be that the thousands of victim ranchers across the West would unify behind the Constitutional dictate that no property can be taken without due process and just compensation.
To simply accept the Federal premise that an allotment is not real property is simply to lay down your rights to generations of held property. A grazing permit is simply a piece of paper but the allotment is and always has been real property that is bought and sold as a large component of the value of the appurtenant fee ground. I contend that if thousands of allotment owners across the West stood up in unison and said no, you can’t decrease the value of my allotment without due process and compensation, then the policy of annual changes to allotments would be over. The same concept of user unification can be applied to water usage, timber harvest reductions, recreational access and other resource take issues that face users today.
http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploa...-2-300x175.jpg
Missing element 2;
attacking the root of the problem: The fundamental root of the problem in current resource land use development is Federal management.
The incredibly large mass of land the Feds are attempting to manage, under one set of rules, is an abysmal failure for the resource, the environment, the resource user and the tax payer.
This will always be, due to the sheer size and complexity of the lands being mismanaged and the perennial propensity for the Fed agencies to grow and be increasingly controlled by absentee upper management. Classic examples of that growth and absentee control is the transfer of tax dollars from resource production to fire “management” and the onset of traveling teams of fire “incident managers”.
Fire ‘management’ or mismanagement is now a huge tax payer funded business in the West, while the resource production business wanes into obscurity in many regions. Fire is now the Forest Service and BLM’s largest segment of their budget.
Distributing these lands to state and county management would attack the root of the mismanagement we are currently experiencing. This would increase efficiency, decrease cost to tax payers, (see PERC report of 2015, Divided Lands), increase response time to resource and environmental threats and establish local jurisdictions. Local jurisdictions could knowledgably respond to specific resource abuses and damage through local oversight, enforcement and where necessary prosecution by the violators’ peers.
http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploa...-1-300x264.png
Missing Element 3;
Unification: We in Harney County, Oregon went through a community hell this last winter. It became clear that what was necessary and best for the economic wellbeing of our, and other similar communities, was unification of the resource users and the communities dependent upon the revenues generated by the resources. We set about to bring people together through education about our existing rights both regarding land use and the proper function of a tiered government, as was structured under the US Constitution and prior and subsequent legislated acts.
As we set about this task of bringing people together to relate their experiences and learn more about their rights we ran smack dab into the specter of intimidation at all levels. We would talk to ranchers and loggers who hated the management of the Feds on their allotments, timber sales and private lands. However, it was rare to find one that would defy the fear of retribution against them and their operations by the agencies for speaking up.
Commonly their ranches are dependent upon grazing allotments, government land leases, and access to water. Most of the loggers are heavily dependent upon Federal timber sales for their livelihoods. Without these Federally controlled resources their operations become uneconomic. As a result, the resource users were immediately fragmented into at least two groups, those who would stand up and speak up and those who would not for fear of retribution. In the Federal workplace they passed laws called “whistleblower” laws. No such protection is afforded those private sector operators who know of or operate under abusive or corrupt conditions in their dealing with Federally managed resources.
http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploa...-1-300x293.jpg
Discussion; No one individual can afford the cost in dollars, time and energy to take on the policies of the Federal government. Thus our dedicated group in Harney County, Oregon was nearly thwarted in our local efforts to help through education and unification. At that time of realization we began to see opportunities to join with others across the West whose realization was the same as ours.
In order to educate we helped form a broad spectrum group called the Range Rights and Resource Symposium(3RS). Out of this, we became loosely affiliated with Protect the Harvest and a new offshoot organization in the 11 western states named the Range Allotment Owners Association and a local land use group called Rural Advocacy Watch (RAW). The goal and mandate of this work was to work with and supplement the older and more established land rights and agricultural support groups such as the Cattlemens’ Associations, American Land Rights Association, American Lands Council, associated rural counties and state legislatures etc. We continue the process today.
Conclusion: We recognized that unity cannot be accomplished if there are turf wars and fragmented competition for funding for individual legal cases. The attack must be unified and directed at the larger issues of bad policy, unconstitutional regulation and Federal jurisdiction and management of resource lands. We saw that unending legal battles between individuals and the Feds can go on for decades and will eventually break even the hardiest of souls. There is no end to the money and time the Feds can throw at a victim of their overreach.
The bottom line is that we believe that a sustained two pronged approach has to move forward: 1) educate individuals on their existing land and resource use rights so they may be sufficiently confident in their position
http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploa...-1-300x217.jpg
to unify with others and take on errant policy in force; and 2) educate resource users and their support communities that transfer of “public” land management to States and Counties is both doable and beneficial for all concerned.
Tim K. Smith is a Harney County Oregon rancher, minerals geologist, and chairman of the Harney County Committee of Safety
One thought on “Missing Elements in the Western Land Use Discussion — Op/Ed — by Tim K. Smith”
- http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/79e4b95...?s=78&d=mm&r=gLEMJanuary 3, 2017 at 11:54 pm
We saw that unending legal battles between individuals and the Feds can go on for decades and will eventually break even the hardiest of souls. There is no end to the money and time the Feds can throw at a victim of their overreach.
NOT without funding.
how to get the BLM to back off, by getting its funding slashed ?
maybe by the new cowboy taking office ?
as long as they have the funding, there is no end in sight.
it is our tax dollars that fund this over-funded, over-reaching agency.
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
KrisAnneHall and her husband discuss Jeanette Finicum's continued problems with the Bureau of Land Management
http://krisannehall.com/discussing-trump-finnicums/
January 4, 2017 By KrisAnne Hall Leave a Comment
Broadcasting from Haiti I’m joined by my husband JC Hall and together we discuss the on going problems the Finnicum family is having with the BLM along with Trump and the challenges he is facing.
Direct link to audio:
https://krisanne-hall.podomatic.com/...2_40-08_00.mp3
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
John Lamb will have a video report on today's court, Jan. 6
LaVoy exposing legislative betrayal a few days before his assassination
https://s19.postimg.org/t1tk8ajdv/IMG_1436.png
http://youtu.be/gObV9V0eGK4
https://youtu.be/gObV9V0eGK4
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom, with new information on informant William "Will" Kullman
http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1904
http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/w...-1-300x293.jpg
Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
December 30, 2016
I have been contacted by a number of people who were contacted by Kullman, after the “Burns Chronicles No 51 – William “Will” Kullman (Night Hawk)“went out. His line to them is that I (Hunt) am a BATF agent. Heck, that accusation goes back to 1993, and in all of that time, nobody has been able to provide any substance to that accusation. That just shows how cheap talk is.
I have also been provided a copy of a text conversation from back in September, about the time the Portland Trial, Ammon Bundy, et al, began. So, we will begin with that text conversation. I have indicated Kullman’s comments with K and the other participant as S. This discussion took place before and during the trial that began on September 7, 2016.
SEP 4 AT 10:08
PMK: I’m going to Portland for the Bundy trials. Will you be thereSEP 21 AT 5:46 PM
S: Dude… People are freaking out your like McConnell… is this true?
K: Excuse me?
S: Ya. Everyone is telling me you were buddy buddy with him and you mysteriously left last week after they showed your picture. I’m not saying it that’s not me… it paranoia all over again… someone said you are testifying for the prosecution. Blah blah blah… figured you would want to know
K: First and foremost before the Bundys before the trials before any of this Mark and I Marine brothers just like John Ritzheimer and our bond is before everything else. Period. I have no idea what you mean by showing my picture I left on Thursday afternoon because I had trial myself here in Washington Friday morning for my son in custody. I’m not testifying for anybody and I risked a lot going to the courthouse, and because I was in Portland for a week and didn’t see my son before my trial I end up losing custody of my son so I sacrificed to be there don’t lump me in with Jason Blomgren just because he squealed like a pig.
Note that he mentions Ritzheimer, claiming that their “bond is before everything else.” This was brought up in ” Burns Chronicles No 51 – William “Will” Kullman (Night Hawk)“, when Kullman told Peltier to tell Ritzheimer, “Semper Fi!”
Now, we will jump to the end of the next discussion, which took place on Facebook. The initial discussion began on the day that LaVoy Finicum was murdered, January 26, and concluded on the next day. The conversation picks up again on December 28, 2016. It is this last portion that we will begin with. This is the day that the first Kullman article was published.
8:23 pm [December 28, 2016]
Friend: Not sure what is going on but you are being tagged in the Patriot community as an informant against the refuge guys. Outpost of Freedom has evidence and has written an article against you. What the hell is going on? I trusted you
8:37 pm
Kullman: I’m not sure. I was just told of it. And haven’t finished reading the article myselfI don’t know how they would come to that conclusion, I’m one of the biggest patriots in this state and make it known because I’m proud of who I am.
8:39 pm
Friend: I’ve been hit up by the armchair warriors stalking my page that keep pming me telling me how terrible I am that we are “friends” on fb…but I can’t find your name on my list. Strange. Gary Hunt called you for your input but you hung up on him. What the hell is going on?
8:41 pm
Kullman: Only 2 things in the article I’ve read so far are true. Me telling Maureen I wanted to come help, and that I hung up on him cause he’s a known ATF agent.And as far as Robert Hart, this character I turned into the Feds for wanting to kill cops, I didn’t tell the Feds that. I told the Bundy’s, Payne, Patrick and Ritz about that guy.
8:42 pm
Friend: Hunt is a known ATF agent? What? Bullshit!
8:43 pm
Kullman: He mentions me in another one of his articles but what is written isn’t even true about me. He says I brought night vision and a 300 win mag to the refuge but I’ve never owned any of those things. I brought my AR and my pistol.You can look all over the internet and find articles wherever the patriot community has come into play, Gary hunt is there
8:45 pm
Friend: Of course he’s there. He’s a Patriot journalist. Why would he write crap about you if it weren’t true?
8:48 pm
Kullman: Idk. I’m getting all sorts of messages and stuff. Not sure what to think about this.
8:50 pm
Friend: I’ve known Gary since Sky was arrested and he seems as if he doesn’t like to publish anything unless he has proof of what he’s writing…I would like to see proof of his accusation if I were you. If it’s not true, I would demand proof.
8:51 pm
Kullman: My only worry is if I do it, he will twist my words.
8:52 pm
Friend: That’s why you document everything in writing…your words can’t be twisted without proof that the words are being twisted if it’s in writing.
8:52 pm
Kullman: I’m gonna try and absorb this. Appreciate you writing me.
8:53 pm
Friend: Why? If these accusations are untrue, I’d be pissed and I would get on his page and ask for proof in the comment section of the article.
8:54 pm
Kullman: Appreciate you writing me. Don’t write to me again.
I didn’t realize that Kullman had already turned “Robert Hart” in to the feds. I can see no reason, whatsoever, that a person would turn a patriot over to the feds for what he said. That decision should be something to be decided by than more than one individual, and should be made by people that might be affected by whatever Hart said or did. If all else failed, then, their decision might be to turn Hart over to the feds. For a sole person to make such a decision could, as easily, be to an attempt to garner favor (or money) from the feds, as much as anything else.
It is also clear that Kullman wants to discredit the information contained in the article by trying to discredit the author (me), instead of discrediting the content of the article. However, the “Friend” knows me, well.
I want to provide the opportunity to someone that I am exposing as an informant to have his say. To do so, I endeavor to give that person the opportunity to provide something that would prove that I am wrong in my deductions. If I have a phone number, I call that person to give him such an opportunity. In this instance, I called, and it went to voicemail. Within just a few seconds, insufficient time for Kullman to have listened to the message, I received a phone call from Kullman. If you listen closely, you can hear the click after I say “events”. That is when Kullman hung up his phone.
Understand that I do record the calls that I make under these circumstances. First, to confirm that the call was made. Second, to make sure that if they make any comments, or provide information that contradicts what I have written, that I can be precise in what I write in any follow-up on the article.
Regarding Kullman’s communication with the “Friend”, we can now go back to what occurred on January 26, 2016. That was the day that LaVoy Finicum was murdered by the Oregon State Police, and in which the FBI has yet to conclude its “investigation” into the role that their agents played in those few minutes that were the last of LaVoy’s life. The communication, on FB, begins just about 5 1/2 hours after the shooting.
1/26, 10:02 pm
Kullman: [Friend], I was at Schuyler’s case back in December, don’t know if you remember me. I have been at the refuge in Oregon with Jason Patrick and the Bundys (god help us all for what happened today) but I was wondering when Schuyler’s next court date was so I could be there now that I am home.
1/26, 10:05 pm
Friend: May 2 is the trial date and we don’t know when the Motion hearings will be.
1/26, 10:05 pm
Kullman: Ok perfect. What’s the plan?
1/26, 10:05 pm
Friend: For OR or the Sky’s court?
1/26, 10:07 pm
Kullman: Both? I know we don’t know each other that well, but I was in Oregon as a leader of the Militia down there. As well as PSD for the Bundys. I just want to know what else I can do here with you for Schuyler and Oregon if there is anything else we can do…I know Schuyler protected you. He is my Brother, and Fellow Marine. If there is anything you need as far as security, let me know. I need details of everything.
1/26, 10:13 pm
Friend: I cannot talk about any plans on fb but the feds do not know the powder keg they just opened. The fuse has been lit and it could be bloody on both sides. Thank you for the offer. Schuyler is our boy and what the feds did to set him up is wrong on so many levels. Now they are trying to go after my wife. She has an attorney but the feds want to charge her for bogus crap concerning Sky.
1/26, 10:15 pm
Kullman: Any other way we can communicate. I know the PPN was there before when I was there, but, I have teams here in Western Washington that are ready to go. I just want the best clarification as possible.
I am so sorry they are going after [Friend’s wife]. She is a GOOD woman. I enjoyed our interaction at the Wandering Goose when we went there for lunch.
Not sure if you still have my contact info, but email me or call me anytime you need ANYTHING. 4253197669wrkilla89@gmail.com
1/26, 10:19 pm
Friend: PPN was told to stand down but the folks at the refuge are begging for more manpower. It is my understanding that people are gearing up and going down there.
1/26, 10:20 pm
Kullman: PPN was told to stand down AT the refuge but they maintained an outer perimeter in burns for us. As far as people going down, more people are just talking then actually acting. I was planning on heading back down tomorrow until I heard about Lavoy, god rest his soul, but now I need to stay and try and organize as many men as I can to go and fight. A broken arrow message has been sent to every able bodied man that can take up arms and fight to come to Oregon. Let me know when you’re coming down so we can set up a meet.
1/26, 10:22 pm
Kullman: Once we leave Malheur, we will move on to other refuges that are illegally controlled by our corrupt government. We will push and push. I know you have a group of guys that are ready to fight. I want in. There is a refuge on your side of the state. We can take it.
1/26, 10:25 pm
Friend: I want to go down to OR but the wife is court ordered not to leave the state and I’m not going to leave her alone.
1/26, 10:26 pm
Kullman: Absolutely not, you will not leave her! How many guys you got going? (roughly, please don’t give me an exact number) I have “5” guys who are gonna gear up with me.
1/26, 10:27 pm
Friend: I don’t have any guys going down. We are Sheepdogs, not militia.
1/26, 10:27 pm
Kullman: I’ll assume smaller but awesome!The problem with the west side of the state, is it not as organized here as it is where you’re at.
I’m assuming you know that.
So it’s hard to get people together.
1/26, 10:28 pm
Friend: We have about 2400 members in our group and that is a rough figure but like I said, we aren’t militia. We are Sheepdogs.
1/26, 10:29 pm
Kullman: Are you friends with Steve McLaughlin?
1/26, 10:30 pm
Friend: Not sure, why?
1/26, 10:31 pm
Kullman: Oh, he’s the rancher from eastern Washington and the president of Liberty Watch Washington. He’s a good man
1/26, 10:32 pm
Kullman: I met him at the rally in Olympia last week. He spoke of OR and Schuyler. He’s the rancher with problems. I’ll join you guys when you take over the refuge on the eastern side.
1/26, 10:32 pm
Friend: Interesting. Schuyler never mentioned him. We aren’t taking over anything.
1/26, 10:32 pm
Kullman: Steve McLaughlinHe spoke of Schuyler briefly in reference to our rights being taken from us, and people being punished unjustly. Like Schuyler. He didn’t say he knew him personally.
1/26, 11:05 pm
Friend: Copy that. I will contact Steve and see what he wishes folks to do.Is he the one that is a Reardon Police Officer? What is his fb link?
1/26, 11:08 pm
Kullman: No, he is retired Navy I think.
1/26, 11:17 pm
Kullman: Just got off the phone with a person who was with the people that were arrested and he was released. Told me what happened to everyone including Payne and Lavoy.
1/26, 11:18 pm
Friend: How was he released?Ammon was on the phone with Carol giving her a play by play as the whole thing unfolded. She recorded it. Wonder if that person who was released has the same story.Who is this person?
1/26, 11:22 pm
Kullman: Mark McConnell. He drove the jeep
1/26, 11:22 pm
Friend: What did he tell you? Something smells off about this guy. Why was he released?
1/26, 11:25 pm
Kullman: He said that him and Payne and the other vehicle got pulled over. That as soon as Payne and him were pulled out of the truck, Lavoy took off. Crashed the truck into a snow bank and then when they Leo got to the truck, he advanced on the Leo. Apparently telling them to shoot him, and he kept advancing so they did.
1/26, 11:25 pm
Kullman: He said that they grilled him for about two hours and couldn’t get anything on him but trespassing because he wasn’t there when they took the refugeApparently him and some 18 year old girlGot off with being in the “wrong place at the wrong time”
1/26, 11:26 pm
Friend: That is not what Ammon was telling Carol. The video shows LaVoy being shot in the back.Something is off…
1/26, 11:27 pm
Kullman: Mark wasn’t there when Lavoy was shot, he said that’s what he was told.I don’t think mark would lie, I think mark May have been told something else.
1/26, 11:27 pm
Friend: I agree.
1/26, 11:27 pm
Kullman: Because I don’t believe for a second Lavoy would advance on LeoMark is a good man. I think he was just fed some bullshit to try and spill the beans but he didn’t
1/26, 11:28 pm
Friend: If Mark was driving the jeep when they got pulled over, how was he not there when Lavoy was shot and why was he released?
1/26, 11:28 pm
Kullman: Because LaVoy sped off in the other vehicle
1/26, 11:29 pm
Friend: I got that part. But why was he released when he was the one driving the jeep?
1/26, 11:29 pm
Kullman: With Ammon, Shawna, and the 18 year oldAgain, I think mark was just fed some shit to try and get him to spill the beans on anything but he didn’t budge. Now he’s stranded in burns over night with no shelter. They won’t release his jeep for 24 hours
1/26, 11:32 pm
Friend: I still don’t understand. How can he be getting his jeep back? Something’s wrong here. Me thinks it’s a set up and whoever goes down there will either be killed or set up, too.
1/26, 11:33 pm
Kullman: I’ll be there by their side.
Kullman: I need to sleep. Calm my mind down. Stay frosty.
1/26, 11:33 pm
Friend: Watch your six….
1/26, 11:33 pm
Kullman: Always
1/26, 11:33 pm
Friend: AmenSchuyler is on lock down. They took him to solitary.
1/26, 11:35 pm
Kullman: What the hell for?!?!
1/26, 11:35 pm
Friend: Don’t know. That is all that was said.
1/26, 11:36 pm
Kullman: This is getting outrageousWe need to get him the hell out of there, but solitary!?!? Are you breaking him out?
1/26, 11:37 pm
Friend: They had him in solitary the first week he was there then moved him to population. Now he is back. No, I’m not breaking him out.
1/26, 11:37 pm
Kullman: Wooooooow. That’s absurd in my opinion
1/26, 11:38 pm
Friend: Why? I’m not going on a suicide mission to break him out. I know the feds are scared but…
1/26, 11:48 pm
Kullman: They should be.
1/26, 11:52 pm
Friend: I’m not sure what to do or think at this point.
1/26, 11:53 pm
Kullman: With more support coming from others in the state we should be able to break him out.
1/26, 11:53 pm
Friend: It’s a bad idea all around and I know Sky won’t want it. He wants to take this to the Supreme Court and he can’t do that on the run doing stupid shit.
You can see how often Kullman tries to bait Friend by asking him his plans or encouraging certain activities. This is well beyond what any reasonable person would answer, especially on FB and with someone that you didn’t know. But, apparently, Kullman’s desperation to increase his worth to the FBI led him to try, desperately, to get the Friend, a real friend to Schuyler Barbeau, to talk about plans for both Schuyler’s role (which the FBI knew about from intelligence in December 2015) and what might happen in Burns. However, much of his story is contrived. Let’s look at what he claims about his knowledge, acquired from Mark McConnell, at a time that he could not even have had the opportunity to talk with McConnell.
I interviewed McConnell on January 30, just four days after the shooting. He was not aware of any shots being fired at Ryan Payne, by his own observation. Later when Payne was brought down to where McConnell was, Payne did say, after he joined McConnell, Ammon Bundy, and Brian “Booda” Cavalier, that he had been shot AT, but not hit. Therefore, McConnell knew that Payne had not been shot. He also told me that he wasn’t released until 11:00 or 11:30 pm, fully an hour after Kullman claims to have spoken with McConnell.
Now, rumor had it that “Ryan” had been shot. There was speculation as to which Ryan, and at first, I had assumed Payne. However, McConnell said that when he was being transported to the rest area where they all met and the two parties were separated, one to Portland, and McConnell and Victoria Sharp back to Burns, he knew that Ryan Bundy was in an ambulance that made a short stop at the Harney District Hospital.
The next available discussion, the following day, January 27:
1/27, 12:37 pm
Kullman: Where is your group going to stage? We can’t get an answer from Max Fairchild and I got my phone blowing up from guys on the west side looking for answers and need to send them somewhere.Any information on where I can send them beside the refuge let me know.
1/27, 2:02 pm
Friend: There are some Sheepdogs down there but I’m not going. I’m not leaving my wife. Have them go to the town of Burns and go to one of the Motels. There they will find one or two Patriots with intel. Everything else I cannot put on fb
1/27, 2:04 pm
Kullman: Email? Wrkilla89@gmail.com
1/27, 2:04 pm
Friend: wickr is xxxxxxxx. Email is not secure
1/27, 2:07 pm
Kullman: Mine is KullmanCombat
1/27, 2:12 pm
Friend: I wickred you.
1/27, 2:16 pm
Kullman: Re send transmission
1/27, 2:22 pm
Friend: Done
1/27, 3:31 pmFriend: No details on fb.
1/27, 3:32 pm
Kullman: No I meant message me on wickr
Comtinued
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
Gary Hunt - continued:
Kullman persists, trying to get Friend to go to email or Wickr. Apparently, he assumes that if he can imply a greater degree of security to the communications, Friend will open up and give him what he seeks, though it really did not even exist.
It appears that Kullman has, unwittingly, given us a picture of some of the tactics of an informant.
