new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

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Originally Posted by PatColo

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You completely fabricated I post I never made at all.

I know I've asked before, but are you able to act like an adult, and a person of integrity without coming off as an unstable person ranting on with ad-hominen?

There was also a story on a crazy person interviewed that claimed he was Lanza's uncle, and Lanza was on fanapt. Check that guy out....looney toons. Found out later he made it all up. Maybe he's related to the guy in your video?

So what does it prove ultimately? That crazy people exist, and like to be on camera, and the media will interview them if they make themselves available as "knowing something". Does it prove more than that? No.

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Originally Posted by joboo

So X number of kids died, their names are listed all over the place, and none of the teachers, parents, friends etc... etc... etc... would know anything about it, or realize it?

Do you think that is possible? If so, how?

Who went missing in the school? How does one cover that up?

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Just like Mamboni said - have you seen any videos of neighbors or friends being interviewed saying - their kids used to play with my kids, or those kids were at my house for a play-date or birthday party? All I see is bad acting by people associated with the screen actors guild and laughing parents pretending to cry with no tears, red eyes or anger. How about the anger of not being allowed to see your kid for the last time? Sealed casket, no viewing allowed - wtf ?? This is theater - plain and simple http://crisisactors.org/ . Acting so bad that there are threats of prosecution for challenging the official fable.

Believe what you like but until concrete, verifiable proof is given, 'm not buying any of this drama

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Originally Posted by mamboni

ADL/SPLC have tasked their mole to scuttle this thread. This is most encouraging - we must be moving in the right direction vis-a-vis the hoax hypothesis.

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Here we go again.

How did you become a doctor? Aren't you supposed to be logical, and level headed both by study, and profession?

There is no proof of mass mind control, yet you default on the side of just believing it to be the case without any solid evidence.

It really is crazy.

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Originally Posted by collector

Just like Mamboni said - have you seen any videos of neighbors or friends being interviewed saying - their kids used to play with my kids, or those kids were at my house for a play-date or birthday party? All I see is bad acting by people associated with the screen actors guild and laughing parents pretending to cry with no tears, red eyes or anger. How about the anger of not being allowed to see your kid for the last time? Sealed casket, no viewing allowed - wtf ?? This is theater - plain and simple http://crisisactors.org/ . Acting so bad that there are threats of prosecution for challenging the official fable.

Believe what you like but until concrete, verifiable proof is given, 'm not buying any of this drama

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So it all seems strange. The MSM is a circus show. People are strange indeed.

You need to ask yourself if it's all faked, how are they mind controlling hundreds of people for the rest of their lives?

That's the crux of the argument.

Is it possible to mind control so many people, when they could have just sent in a few guys and actually did it.

Why fake the deaths?

Some massive elaborate uber mind control scheme on an entire town, v.s sending in a couple guys to actually do it.

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Originally Posted by joboo

Here we go again.

How did you become a doctor? Aren't you supposed to be logical, and level headed, both by study, and profession?

There is no proof of mass mind control, yet you default on the side of just believing it to be the case without any solid evidence.

It really is crazy.

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Was I talking to you? Mass mind control? What are you, delusional tonite?

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Originally Posted by joboo

But that doesn't prove anything other than they weren't put on TV.

How is it possible to control that many people forever?

When coming up with an idea for an "op" would that seem realistic to you? An entire school, and all those connected to it?



Why bother to fake so many deaths, and hope out of hundreds of people nobody says anything?

Why not just do it?

Why bother to fake any of the deaths?

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Why bother to fake any deaths?...gun control agenda?

20 kids dead = 40 parents + approximately 160 grandparents = siblings, cousins, uncles etc + 80 neighbors + friends and teachers yet NO ONE other than these actors are being interviewed - seriously, are you really buying this?

How about the decision to stage everything at a firehouse - all decided in less than 1 hour? Why? For what purpose? The guy inside is dead and the runners in the woods have been apprehended - why have everything happen at the firehouse? What if there was a fire - let houses burn?

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Originally Posted by joboo

So it all seems strange. The MSM is a circus show. People are strange indeed.

You need to ask yourself if it's all faked, how are they mind controlling hundreds of people for the rest of their lives?

That's the crux of the argument.

Is it possible to mind control so many people, when they could have just sent in a few guys and actually did it.

Why fake the deaths?

Some massive elaborate uber mind control scheme on an entire town, v.s sending in a couple guys to actually do it.

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Again, who's being "mind controlled"? How hard would it be to fake the deaths of people that never existed? If you told me that a kid died in my neighborhood but didn't give me his address, how would I know that he ever existed?

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Was I talking to you? Mass mind control? What are you, delusional tonite?

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You were.

I know how you feel about what you think I am because I try to make you think about things.

You have made it very clear.

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Originally Posted by collector

Again, who's being "mind controlled"? How hard would it be to fake the deaths of people that never existed? If you told me that a kid died in my neighborhood but didn't give me his address, how would I know that he ever existed?

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Kids that don't exist at the school, or live in the community.....and nobody noticed.

cmon...

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Originally Posted by joboo

You were.

I know how you feel about what you think I am because I try to make you think about things.

You have made it very clear.

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I have yet to see any evidence or eyewitness testimony which would hold up in court. But gee, since the shooter is dead we don't need to have any court hearings. How convenient.

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Originally Posted by collector

Why bother to fake any deaths?...gun control agenda?

20 kids dead = 40 parents + approximately 160 grandparents = siblings, cousins, uncles etc + 80 neighbors + friends and teachers yet NO ONE other than these actors are being interviewed - seriously, are you really buying this?

How about the decision to stage everything at a firehouse - all decided in less than 1 hour? Why? For what purpose? The guy inside is dead and the runners in the woods have been apprehended - why have everything happen at the firehouse? What if there was a fire - let houses burn?

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But it will never come out forever after the fact....despite. Sounds like a great plan.

Having no CIA/FBI training...would you come up with a plan like that, and think it's a good idea?

Would anyone?

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Originally Posted by joboo

But it will never come out forever after the fact....despite. Sounds like a great plan.

Having no CIA/FBI training...would you come up with a plan like that, and think it's a good idea?

Would anyone?

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When and where did you obtain your CIA/FBI training?

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Originally Posted by midnight rambler

I have yet to see any evidence or eyewitness testimony which would hold up in court. But gee, since the shooter is dead we don't need to have any court hearings. How convenient.

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Above convenience, it's also just the reality of matters that the shooters in situations like this end up dead every time because they are shooting at people.

Sure, it's very easy to think something is going on with this event, and very well maybe, but at a certain point the logic pattern sails off into outer space.

All the children who were supposedly gunned down were invented. They never existed. Just like the Arab hijackers on 911. They were invented. Whoever invented them used pictures of other peoples kids to give them identities. The identities are analogous to Mohammed Atta's passport that was found on the street outside the WTC. Nobody knew these kids. Nobody at the school knows the actors who play their parents. I bet if you asked the kids who attend Sandy Hook Elementary school if they had ever spoken with or even seen the dead kids, not a one of them could say yes. That's because all these dead kids never existed except in the media. They are a total fiction. They are a part of a DHS Full Scale Exercise. A simulation. And it is being treated by the media as a real event. If you noticed, all the official pronouncements were made by public 'officials' who are also acting out a script, if they really are public officials. The cops and the medical examiner are 'authorities' but they are also acting. Adam Lanza is most likely a fictional character, as is his brother, mother and father. Who knows Adam Lanza? Did anyone see his body? Did he have any friends?

Whoever is doing this is turning a half baked fiction into a myth. A myth is something you believe because you think everybody else believes it, so it is 'the truth'. You're not supposed to question mythology. If you do, they send the trolls after you.


Hatha

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Originally Posted by mamboni

When and where did you obtain your CIA/FBI training?

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I posed some very valid questions to this discussion. You don't want to answer them, or really even think about them, so you're left with attacking my credibility as that's all that is available for you at this point.

That's a bit immature no?

Do you act that way when your clients question you?

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Originally Posted by joboo

Above convenience, it's also just the reality of matters that the shooters in situations like this end up dead every time because they are shooting at people.

Sure, it's very easy to think something is going on with this event, and very well maybe, but at a certain point the logic pattern sails off into outer space.

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Except in this case the shooter was shooting at unarmed children and adults - so your comment is idiotic. The shooter decided to off himself per the MSM - how convenient!

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Originally Posted by joboo

I posed some very valid questions to this discussion. You don't want to answer them, or really even think about them, so you're left with attacking my credibility as that's all that is available for you at this point.

That's a bit immature no?

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Then answer my question, Mr. [In]credible.

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Originally Posted by joboo

But it will never come out forever after the fact....despite. Sounds like a great plan.

Having no CIA/FBI training...would you come up with a plan like that, and think it's a good idea?

Would anyone?

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Plenty of stuff can come out after the fact, if someone dares to risk Federal prosecution - but who will listen?
As far as my training - no, I would not come up with a plan like that, nor would I come up with the plan to mine the Murrah Building hoping that all the explosives would go off and we could blame patsy McVeigh for everything. What's your point?

Worried about the media exposing the scam - yeah, here's an example of GREAT reporting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwwzP6ANQo

Some highlights - at 1:50 - Soto's family members said she was shielding 1st graders when she died. I guess they were there or had live video feed to the classroom at the time of the alleged attack
At 2:55 Robbie parker gives his heartfelt speech talking about his incredible daughter yet he talks about her as someone he once met rather than the life he helped create. We also saw the video of him laughing, then going into actor mode in front of the camera, faking some tears without bloodshot eyes.
4:35 - elementary school is no longer a safe place ` selling fear

Believe what you like and if you think the media's to blame for the confusion, that's fine, dismiss everything. The government openly lies to us and says it's for "national security" so if you choose to believe an organization that openly lies, that's fine, just don't tell me that I should as well. Again, if the media's your scapegoat then admit that they're inept, and you'll just believe anything that's told to you by elected or appointed officials. I choose to make my own decisions based on common sense and facts that are verifiable

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Except in this case the shooter was shooting at unarmed children and adults - so your comment is idiotic. The shooter decided to off himself per the MSM - how convenient!

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So it's also idiotic to think the kid was on a suicide mission shooting up a school...and if he didn't shoot himself the police wouldn't have?

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Then answer my question, Mr. [In]credible.

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You ultimately didn't ask a credible question, and you know this, and no, no training whatsoever aside from looking at matters impartially without forming conclusions based on what I want to believe despite how incredulous certain aspects of it are.

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Originally Posted by collector

Plenty of stuff can come out after the fact, if someone dares to risk Federal prosecution - but who will listen?
As far as my training - no, I would not come up with a plan like that, nor would I come up with the plan to mine the Murrah Building hoping that all the explosives would go off and we could blame patsy McVeigh for everything. What's your point?

Worried about the media exposing the scam - yeah, here's an example of GREAT reporting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwwzP6ANQo

Some highlights - at 1:50 - Soto's family members said she was shielding 1st graders when she died. I guess they were there or had live video feed to the classroom at the time of the alleged attack
At 2:55 Robbie parker gives his heartfelt speech talking about his incredible daughter yet he talks about her as someone he once met rather than the life he helped create. We also saw the video of him laughing, then going into actor mode in front of the camera, faking some tears without bloodshot eyes.
4:35 - elementary school is no longer a safe place ` selling fear

Believe what you like and if you think the media's to blame for the confusion, that's fine, dismiss everything. The government openly lies to us and says it's for "national security" so if you choose to believe an organization that openly lies, that's fine, just don't tell me that I should as well. Again, if the media's your scapegoat then admit that they're inept, and you'll just believe anything that's told to you by elected or appointed officials. I choose to make my own decisions based on common sense and facts that are verifiable

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The fact still remains you have hundreds of people that are living 24/7 their entire lives with a different reality. Fabricating people who simply don't exist in other peoples lives is not a one off open/closed event.

That's quite the scheme to attempt to pull off when it is far easier to just do it covertly, and be done with it.

It's crazy actually.

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Originally Posted by joboo

You ultimately didn't ask a credible question, and you know this, and no, no training whatsoever aside from looking at matters impartially without forming conclusions based on what I want to believe despite how incredulous certain aspects of it are.

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Great pissing contest - I think you've got the lead - yay !!

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Originally Posted by joobot

So it's also idiotic to think the kid was on a suicide mission shooting up a school...and if he didn't shoot himself the police wouldn't have?

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And since Adam Lanza was on a suicide mission he concerned himself with destroying his computer hard drive so no one would be able to see or even have a clue as to who he really was and what was going on in his head. Yeah, this makes perfect sense. Also, waiting for his mother to come back from a 2 day trip to NH so he could kill her too makes absolutely perfect sense as well. No need to question any of that, it's all totally believable. /sarc

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Originally Posted by joboo

The fact still remains you have hundreds of people that are living 24/7 their entire lives with a different reality. Fabricating peole who simply don't exist in other peoples lives is not a one off open/closed event.

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And your point is ...?

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Originally Posted by collector

And your point is ...?

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- No witnesses
- Actors on tv (more than one)
- No bodies
- Mysterious 2nd and 3rd gunmen totally ignored
- No pictures of broken glass or anything
- No surveillance footage
- Inconsistent reports of guns
- No motive
- Unclear about family including mother and brother - many things
- New Sandy Hook school building supposedly negotiated on day of shooting
- Taking down facebook pages of people who question anything
- No injured but survived
- Bodies were left to sit for days
- Training drill at the same time, 25 minutes away
- Reports of fake pictures used for children, authorities being at his house before the shooting occurred, early death page on facebook
- 15 officers not returning to work for ptsd


I'm just not buying it. Until they release some evidence, it didn't happen as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by vacuum

- No witnesses
- Actors on tv (more than one)
- No bodies
- Mysterious 2nd and 3rd gunmen totally ignored
- No pictures of broken glass or anything
- No surveillance footage
- Inconsistent reports of guns
- No motive
- Unclear about family including mother and brother - many things
- New Sandy Hook school building supposedly negotiated on day of shooting
- Taking down facebook pages of people who question anything
- No injured but survived
- Bodies were left to sit for days
- Training drill at the same time, 25 minutes away
- Reports of fake pictures used for children, authorities being at his house before the shooting occurred, early death page on facebook
- 15 officers not returning to work for ptsd


I'm just not buying it. Until they release some evidence, it didn't happen as far as I'm concerned.

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A fine laundry list - and I would add one more thing: not a spot of blood anywhere! No blood stained sheets, uniforms, shirts, nothing. I have never seen such a clean and tidy crime scene where dozens were supposedly killed with dozens of bullets.

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Originally Posted by joboo

you completely fabricated i post i never made at all.

I know i've asked before, but are you able to act like an adult, and a person of integrity without coming off as an unstable person ranting on with ad-hominen?

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huh?!?:o

In #676 I submitted a pretend post from hypothetical user named 'joobo' for purposes of making an analogy; again:

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Originally Posted by joobo

http://noliesradio.org/images/wtc7small.gif

So you think WTC7 was a controlled demolition eh?

Okay, then where's the det cord? Show me the det cord, or you've got nothing!

Solve the crime completely [rule #14], otherwise zion.gov's official version is correct!

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but joboo, I did compose and sing this song for you, I know you'll enjoy:
http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/xl0e45fc44/hey_joboo.mp3 :D

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- No injured but survived
- Bodies were left to sit for days

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There were possibly two (but at least one) wounded survivor(s), the two women in the front office area shot in the legs/feet, but otherwise it was highly unusual that there were no survivors. Recall that there were early eyewitness reports of two children being carried out by LEOs and rushed to the hospital (in patrol cars?) where they were DOA.

And reportedly the bodies were moved at 1AM Sat. 12/15 (according to the ME's nooz conference) after the media reported that the bodies might remain in place through Sun or Mon (head fake).

I'm not doubting that people died, it's just all very bizarre, apparently intended to suit an agenda. Way too many things that fit just too perfectly and other things that are unlikely to ever be reconciled.

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Originally Posted by midnight rambler

There were possibly two (but at least one) wounded survivor(s), the two women in the front office area shot in the legs/feet, but otherwise

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Why the hell is it still unclear how many were wounded? I just don't understand why there is so much confusion about such a simple thing. It's something that we should all know from day 1, but like everything else, we're totally in the dark.

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Originally Posted by midnight rambler

And since Adam Lanza was on a suicide mission he concerned himself with destroying his computer hard drive so no one would be able to see or even have a clue as to who he really was and what was going on in his head. Yeah, this makes perfect sense. Also, waiting for his mother to come back from a 2 day trip to NH so he could kill her too makes absolutely perfect sense as well. No need to question any of that, it's all totally believable. /sarc

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Again your logic is running down a rabbit hole because you specifically want to see it that way.

Seems the guy wanted to be remembered for something, and go out in a blaze of glory. He wanted legacy.

What if he did things on his computer he didn't want to be remembered for, perhaps ashamed of?

Not hard to imagine anyone doing that at all. It isn't hard to question it, it's just that you aren't fully.

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Originally Posted by mamboni

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And you scuttled all the questions I asked while I have answered every one posed to me. Grow up. I can't believe you're a doctor. You really don't act like one.

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Originally Posted by PatColo

huh?!?:o

In #676 I submitted a pretend post from hypothetical user named 'joobo' for purposes of making an analogy; again:

but joboo, I did compose and sing this song for you, I know you'll enjoy:
http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/xl0e45fc44/hey_joboo.mp3 :D

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Correct. You completely fabricated an unrelated post putting hypothetical words in my mouth acting like a child in a sandbox, and you continue to do so.

If you want people to believe you're an irrational thinking person who has a few pegs missing upstairs, you're doing a fine job.

"And there was Tricia Gogliettino delivering a gingerbread house to a first-grade class when she came upon five children running down the street screaming "Someone is trying kill us!"

She ushered them into her car, drove them to the police station and sat singing to them as their parents were called, according to her brother, Ridgefield State Rep. John Frey."

Here's yet another version of the kids who "escaped". This time it's 5 kids and the woman drove them to the police station. I wonder if they stopped by Gene Rosen's house to play with stuffed animals and have some juice first?

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/...#ixzz2HG4tfzMh

Why has no one has admitted that mind controlling an entire town for life, and the entire world, in a grand scheme of make believe deception is in itself an insane notion over taking the far easier route of deploying a few guys to do some wet work?

Must to be too crazy to think about. ;)

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Originally Posted by PatColo

Brother Nathanael: What Really Happened At Sandy Hook?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtX2OiQ00Y

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Give'em Hell Brother Nathanial!

joboo apparently contracted joekingitis

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Originally Posted by joboo

Why has no one has admitted that mind controlling an entire town for life, and the entire world, in a grand scheme of make believe deception is in itself an insane notion over taking the far easier route of deploying a few guys to do some wet work?

Must to be too crazy to think about. ;)

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I don't think we know anything with certainty. But we have to look at where the evidence leads us. It could be entirely real, could be entirely fake, or could be a combination of the two. I think there are too many contradictions to say it's entirely real. Then the question becomes, how fake was it? Were children killed by trained blackops in the school? Were children abducted from the school? Were all the children real, or were some real and some not? There is a broad set of possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Horn

joboo apparently contracted joekingitis

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It's not that at all. It really boils down to the obvious of what I have already stated.

If you think it's easier to mind control the whole world with a grand scheme of make believe photo shopped fairy tale people v.s. a few agents, in and out the back door with a van, then there's really nothing else to be said that will instill common sense.

It's a really valid question, and if you don't see that for what it is at face value, something else is going on, and it's not related to common sense.

No one here has been man enough to admit that, and that speaks for itself.

I make people think...I ask questions...I'm the "bad guy". Burn the witch! ;)

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Originally Posted by vacuum

I don't think we know anything with certainty. But we have to look at where the evidence leads us. It could be entirely real, could be entirely fake, or could be a combination of the two. I think there are too many contradictions to say it's entirely real. Then the question becomes, how fake was it? Were children killed by trained blackops in the school? Were children abducted from the school? Were all the children real, or were some real and some not? There is a broad set of possibilities.

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The media was in such a ru$h to get the story out, the facts are all over the place. Were the parents grief counseled, and given medication? Could be.

One thing we do know. The end result is a gun control agenda for a gun that seems wasn't even used.