Live call from the refuge sounds like the siege is on by the FBI and people are trying to get the four people out of the refuge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlr...ature=youtu.be
Live call from the refuge sounds like the siege is on by the FBI and people are trying to get the four people out of the refuge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlr...ature=youtu.be
stream flowing good. i'm tuned in - sounds like they have a line to one of the guys insideQuote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed
Cliven Bundy arrested in Portland by Feds. Gotta contain this 'virus'.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta..._bundy_de.html
Oregon standoff: FBI moves in on last refuge occupiers
Source: Oregon Live
The live stream that broadcast online what appears to be the last stage of the refuge occupation stopped after more than five hours. The phone feed ended as the occupiers headed to their night camp, preparing to surrender Thursday morning. They said they have a promise that the encircling FBI agents would leave them alone overnight.
BURNS – FBI agents in armored vehicles moved in Wednesday night on the last four occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, hemming them into their rough camp and insisting they put down their guns and surrender.
The occupiers rejected the demands for hours before one of them said they will turn themselves in at a checkpoint once a national religious figure and a Nevada state legislator arrive. It was scheduled for 8 a.m. Thursday, but it wasn't clear if the deal involved all of the four occupiers
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Share This Article... The standoff played out for hours through an open phone line being streamed to YouTube. At one point, an estimated 60,000 people listened as the occupiers displayed anger and panic, prayed with those on the phone and yelled at the FBI agents surrounding them.
They're the remainders of a group of anti-government militants who took over the wildlife refuge headquarters Jan. 2. The four have been on their own since Jan. 28 -- two days after the occupation leaders were arrested on a highway north of Burns and protest spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum was shot and killed.
Those left at the refuge 30 miles southeast of Burns are David Fry, 27, of the Cincinnati area, Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada, Sean Anderson, 47, and his wife Sandy, 48, of Riggins, Idaho.
The live stream provided a remarkable front row seat for the nation to listen in as the holdouts faced the FBI move. At points, a phone left on inside the occupiers' camp picked up demands from agents over loudspeakers.
"Come out with your hands up," a law enforcement official was heard saying.
Two hours into the confrontation, Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore was heading to the refuge trying to negotiate for the group's surrender and Christian evangelist Franklin Graham and others had offered to intercede on their behalf as well.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, the father of jailed occupation leader Ammon Bundy, also appeared to be heading to Burns, according to the "Official Bundy Ranch" Facebook page.
In a statement, the FBI said one of the occupiers rode an ATV outside their encampment at 4:30 p.m. When FBI agents tried to approach the driver, he returned "at a high rate of speed" to the camp. Agents then moved into position ahead and behind "the area where the occupiers are camping."
The FBI said negotiations were underway and that "no shots have been fired."
The holdouts all face arrest on a federal charge of conspiracy for their roles in the armed occupation. They are among 16 indicted on that charge. They were told they had to surrender.
"There's nowhere for you to go," one officer was heard saying.
Fry shouted back, "We're leaving tomorrow."
In a statement released in the middle of the showdown, Greg Bretzing, the FBI's special agent in charge in Oregon, said: "It has never been the FBI's desire to engage these armed occupiers in any way other than through dialogue, and to that end, the FBI has negotiated with patience and restraint in an effort to resolve the situation peacefully."
But, Bretzing said, "we reached a point where it became necessary to take action in a way that best ensured the safety of those on the refuge, the law enforcement officers who are on scene, and the people of Harney County who live and work in this area."
FBI tactical teams had quietly moved into the refuge compound Tuesday night, entering the buildings undetected by the occupiers. They apparently were in the buildings through the day Wednesday before agents moved against the encampment.
The occupiers talked over each other as the call moderator, identified on the Youtube feed as Gavin Seim, tried to sort out the identities and relayed calls for help to outside parties.
"Just hang in there," he said as he tried to give the occupiers encouragement and calm them down.
At one point on the audio, Sean Anderson was heard yelling, "Did your boss send you here to kill innocent Americans?"
At another point, an agent over a loudspeaker said: "David, I want to talk to you."
"What do you want?" Fry replied, then yelled, "You guys killed LaVoy" and "You let Obama bring terrorists into our country."
Sean Anderson said there were five armored vehicles around the camp. "They have way more guns than us. We need help. ... We will not fire until we're fired upon," he said.
Anderson also was heard saying: "Mark, you promised and you lied again," apparently referring to an FBI negotiator.
His wife chimed in that the four have been asked to put down their guns, but "our weapons are at our sides."
They said they had planned to meet Thursday with Fiore and that they had been told Cliven Bundy would appear as well. They also said they wanted someone to get in touch with Graham, the son of Billy Graham who had been in touch with the occupiers at one point.
"You promised Franklin Graham you wouldn't do this," Sandy Anderson. Graham runs the North Carolina-based evangelical organization named after his father.
Graham later called in, reaching Sean Anderson. Graham offered to be at the refuge at 7 a.m. Thursday to join the occupiers in walking out to surrender, Anderson said. It was unclear if the FBI would entertain such an offer. The occupiers reported that they were told by the FBI that no one else would be allowed onto the refuge.
Even then, Sandy Anderson seemed to balk at surrendering. "I am not going to jail for standing up for my rights," she said.
"If my wife says she's not leaving, I'm not leaving," her husband said.
Earlier in the night, Sean Anderson said that the occupiers would shoot only if fired upon. He said they all expected to be killed.
"And it's not self-inflicted wounds either," Sandy Anderson said.
Fry yelled, "You don't need to go to hell for killing us."
They prayed at one point, and Sean Anderson repeatedly asked those listening in to the broadcast to pray.
Later, Sandy Anderson yelled: "They got ahold of another legislator!" when she was told Washington state Rep. Matt Shea of Spokane Valley had been reached by supporters outside the refuge. Shea had been part of a group of state legislators who visited the site in late January.
As the standoff continued, Fiore, the Nevada assemblywoman, got on the live stream line to offer to negotiate between the occupiers and the FBI. Fiore had just arrived in Portland and was scheduled to appear Thursday at a news conference in support of Ammon Bundy. For hours, Fiore stayed on the line as she rode in a car with other state legislators in a race to reach the refuge and walk the occupiers out.
Over and over, Fiore stopped the conversation to lead or ask someone to lead the group in prayer. The Andersons were the most frequently heard voices. At one point, Banta talked with Fiore but only for moments and otherwise he could not be heard. Fry also disappeared from the feed, apparently stepping away from the phone to deal with the FBI agents surrounding them.
For a time, Fry was on a second phone talking to an FBI negotiator. He was apparently told that the agent wouldn't talk to the legislator. Only Fry's part of the conversation was audible.
"I will come to the refuge," Fiore said. "They have to let someone to negotiate. We cannot afford more bloodshed."
She urged the four to keep calm as she tried to get directly to the FBI by phone.
"Listen, we're not coming out," Fry was heard saying on the phone to the FBI negotiator. "You need to find another option."
Fiore told the occupiers that she needs Gov. Kate Brown or Harney County Sheriff David Ward to intercede to get her to the refuge.
"There is no reason to shoot you," Fiore told the group.
But Sean Anderson said they feared being shot anyway.
"We will hold them accountable in the courts like they hold us accountable," Fiore said.
"Listen, listen," she said, trying to keep the occupiers focused on her.
She told them that some of the defendants in the case have been released from jail after their arrest while the charges are pending. "The Constitution is there to protect the people from the government," she said.
At that point, Sandy Anderson said the armored vehicles were moving closer, prompting Fiore to urge her to take a deep breath and pray with her. In the background, Fry can be heard yelling at the FBI agents.
Earlier as the occupiers tried to reach someone that could help them, Sean Anderson said, "Someone call Sheriff Palmer," referring to Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer.
His wife echoed him: "Call Sheriff Palmer."
Palmer met twice with occupation leaders in his neighboring county and was to share the stage with the key figures at a community meeting when the arrests and Finicum shooting took place on U.S. 395 about 20 miles north of Burns. He has come under criticism for his apparent support of the militants.
People were calling the sheriff's office and the John Day dispatch center, which handles calls for Grant County police agencies, urging that Palmer intercede.
Ammon Bundy and other occupation leaders originally took over the headquarters compound of the federal wildlife refuge on Jan. 2 in support of two imprisoned local ranchers and in protest of federal land ownership. The compound has been cordoned off by law enforcement officials since Jan. 27.
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The four holdouts have been camped in a parking area next to the complex of buildings. They have posted video reports off and on, showing their camp of pickup trucks and ATVs arranged in a rough circle, with tarps and tents providing shelter.
There have been repeated efforts to bring the occupation to a conclusion. Ammon Bundy, who participated in an armed standoff in 2014 at his father's ranch over grazing fees, has issued written and taped statements through his attorneys urging the four to leave the refuge. The FBI has continued telephone negotiations for days, but Fry and the others have insisted they wouldn't leave unless they had immunity from arrest.
Fry played a role throughout the occupation providing social media help to the protesters. The Andersons, transplants to Idaho from Wisconsin, had made several trips to the refuge since Bundy's group took it over. Banta, a construction worker, arrived just the day before Bundy was arrested.
The FBI and state police set up a roadblock Jan. 26 on the highway between Burns and John Day as Bundy, occupation spokesman Finicum and several others traveled in a Jeep and truck to talk to people in Grant County about their cause. They took Bundy into custody without incident, but troopers shot Finicum when he got out of his truck and appeared to reach into a pocket, the FBI said. Finicum was carrying a loaded 9mm handgun, the FBI said.
A federal grand jury in Portland has returned indictments against Bundy and 15 others in the case, including the four holdouts, on one charge each of conspiracy to impede federal officers through intimidation, threats or force.
The indictments accuse them of conspiring to prevent employees of the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service from working at the refuge, taking over the property with guns and intimidating the people of Harney County.
All are accused of occupying the federal property "while using and carrying firearms,'' threatening violence against anybody who attempted to remove them from the refuge and using social media and other means of communication to recruit and encourage others to join them.
The conspiracy charge is a felony and carries a maximum six-year prison sentence and fines.
-- Les Zaitz
They couldn't of picked a worst place to try and defend......
Everyone told them that it was a stupid move to pick a fight. Now Cliven has gone and gotten himself arrested over this as well..
Report: FBI Had Infiltrated Oregon Refuge Compound Undetected
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ByCaitlin MacNealPublishedFebruary 11, 2016, 6:54 AM EST
The FBI entered the compound at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Tuesday night without being discovered by the four remaining occupiers, before moving in on the militiamen on Wednesday, The Oregonian reported.
Per The Oregonian:
FBI tactical teams had quietly moved into the refuge compound Tuesday night, entering the buildings undetected by the occupiers. They apparently were in the buildings through the day Wednesday before agents moved against the encampment.FBI agents then moved in on Wednesday night after spotting one of the occupiers leaving the militia's encampment in an ATV. Law enforcement approached the ATV, which then quickly returned to camp. The FBI then surrounded the occupiers' camp in armored vehicles and set up barricades.
ADVERTISINGAfter negotiations with the FBI and Nevada state lawmaker Michelle Fiore -- a longtime ally of the Bundy family -- the occupiers agreed to turn themselves in to authorities Thursday morning.
Federal authorities also arrested Cliven Bundy on Wednesday night at the Portland airport, but it's not clear what the elder Bundy was charged with.
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John B. Wells Caravan to Midnight with Chris Briels, retired Burns fire chief. 2 hours. Chris Briels stands by his convictions.
http://youtu.be/jYSdFvB6YbA
Youtube Link http://youtu.be/jYSdFvB6YbA
http://s19.postimg.org/et2f66wgz/image.jpgNevada's "Second Amendment" Assemblywoman, Michelle Fiore
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“The Republic with liberty and justice for all.”
Watchman News Live feed @ refuge roadblock
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Four holdouts surrender...er, I mean 'turn themselves in' -
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta..._from_the.html
And all the ranting and raving of "Fuck the FBI" will be used as evidence for their Anti-Government rhetoric during the court proceedings.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
Yeah, they thumbed their noses at law enforcement and we just can't have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
Let's not forget that that criminal character Lavoy whatever failed to respond to police commands and was killed when reaching for that loaded 9mm he had concealed on his person, which of course was a stolen gun (criminals will be criminals), all according the the FBI. And of course the FBI would never misrepresent anything, them being the paragons of virtue and all.
The FBI agents and all other police are allowed to lie, of course they're only lying when you can prove they've lied - or when it's to their advantage to admit that they did. Otherwise, they're the poster boys of honesty and integrity
EXCLUSIVE: FBI sting to arrest 86 Americans in massive BLM cover-up
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, 74, was arrested late yesterday evening while exiting a plane at Portland International Airport on his way to Burns, Ore., a town located 30 miles south of the federally owned Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the site of a months-long standoff between free-loving land owners and the U.S. government.
Celebrated for standing up to government land-grabs in 2014, Bundy has been charged with conspiracy to interfere with a federal officer, an allegation that reportedly stems back to his standoff with the Bureau of Land Management, which tried stripping he and his family of land-use rights they spent a century earning. The charges are identical to those filed against seven protestors (including his son Ammon Bundy) who occupied the wildlife refuge in protest of government overreach.
NewsTarget has received exclusive information that Bundy’s arrest, which was made using facial recognition technology and TSA goons, may not be isolated, but is in fact the first of many to come in an effort to silence those who obtained incriminating information about the BLM and its unlawful land grabs.
Government uses facial recognition to apprehend libertarian activists
While taking up occupancy of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, protestors reportedly gained access to sensitive information stored on the computers there, revealing sinister plans by the BLM to confiscate privately owned land before auctioning it off corporate interests, according a source who requested anonymity.
In an effort to suppress this information, the FBI is believed to be conducting a nationwide warrant roundup of protestors and independent journalists involved in the recent protests and standoffs against the federal government. A total of 86 people, including Bundy, are believed to be on the FBI’s roundup list and could subsequently be arrested for their “crimes.”
The war on indie journalists and citizen protesters refusing to fall in line with the government’s increasing tyrannical actions is escalating. Radio show host Pete Santilli, who merely covered the wildlife occupation as a citizen journalist, never spending a single night at the refuge, was also arrested on felony conspiratorial charges.
When asked about his role at the wildlife refuge occupation, Santilli replied: “My role is the same here that it was at the Bundy ranch. To talk about the constitutional implications of what is going on here. The Constitution cannot be negotiated.”
Constitutional law and human rights attorney John Whitehead wrote that “the government doesn’t actually believe that 50-year-old Santilli is an accomplice to any criminal activity. Read between the line and you’ll find that what the government is really accusing Santilli of is employing dangerous speech.
“As court documents indicate, the government is prosecuting Santilli solely as a reporter of information. In other words, they’re making an example of him, which is consistent with the government’s ongoing efforts to intimidate members of the media who portray the government in a less than favorable light.”
The Obama’s administrations notorious crackdown on journalists is part of a large-scale government effort to use political correctness and accusations of hate speech to silence First Amendment rights – in turn attempting to destroy citizen journalism, the only faucet of journalism that remains uncontrolled by the establishment.
http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11...-cover-up.html
more and stronger evidence that a false flag is up for discussion
Hitler on the Malheur siege. In the 1950's there were a half dozen Federal crimes, counterfeiting, mail fraud, kidnapping across state lines, and crimes involving interstate commerce. FBI agents wore business suits, and sought permission from the county sheriff before poking around in his county. Where did we go wrong?
http://youtu.be/0ttiK1n4Byg
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The Money Powers. They live, we sleep.Quote:
Where did we go wrong?
A total of 25 have been charged so far in the 'Oregon occupation'.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...02-12-23-23-52
Assholes like Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton being bought off, not caring about the future of their own grandchildren and the grandchildren's grandchildren.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
Our country will go the way of the Soviet Union before things improve.
When you suggest 'will go' I'm hoping you're referring to the dissolution of US, Inc. aka USSA aka The District under the unlawful, illegitimate 14th amendment similar to the dissolution of the USSR some 25 years ago. FWIW, after that Russia has come back for the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty
While not a beneficiary of any 14th amendment government I can nonetheless be somewhat thankful that the poor freed slaves of the U.S. of A. have been taken care of by the present occupant of the oval office. When you consider that the municipality is the officers that represent the corporation the debt which had been Bush's and Clinton's before him now rests upon he and he alone. He might have chosen to avoid the office and cast all the poor folk into chaos because they just don't understand what is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
[p.s. just to make it clear.... The poor people of the Americas includes Donald Trump and Hitlery Clinton ... people so destitute of knowledge that they have to pretend they are wealthy when the truth is far from that]
Yes, I do mean that, with a complete rebuild from whatever remains.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
Constitutional Lawyer KrisAnne Hall Discusses Final Moments of Oregon Standoff
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The four remaining occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge have surrendered, ending the standoff on its 41st day. Rev. Franklin Graham and Assemblywoman Michele Fiore helped persuaded the four occupiers to surrender peacefully and convinced the FBI not to use aggressive force.
But why were the occupiers there in the first place? Farmers and ranchers have been battling the federal government for decades taking more and more of their land.
For more information on what caused the Oregon Standoff, click here.
In an exclusive interview with Truth In Media’s Joshua Cook, constitutional lawyer KrisAnne Hall talks about the dramatic events that led up to the final moments of the standoff and how concerned Americans can fight an overreaching federal government peacefully and successfully.
Watch the entire interview in the above video.
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I shutter to think what a country populated with mostly reprobates (those who've disavowed/turned away from the Creator) would come up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty
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Originally Posted by midnight rambler
I don't see an alternative. The current population is apathetic. Collapse is imminent, this debt based lie cannot continue muchlonger. Perhaps those reprobates will not survive the resulting caos. I don't think they will. The survivors, if any, likely will be the rural people, and inhabitants of small isolated communities. I will venture to guess these people are Christians, and after surviving such an ordeal will rely on the Creator to guide them in their endeavors to create a new system of government. If atomic war results there may be no survivors.
I don't know if anyone else has followed the reporter from Nebraska, Lorry Storm. Call of duty goddess had a video with one of her reports from Burns.
She has done three more besides the one call of duty goddess had on her video that can be found at this link.
http://www.twisterradio.com/Archives.html
I can't find them anywhere else so I guess you'll just have to go there, download and listen to them. They are the whole radio program so you have to scroll ahead when you come to the commercials.
They're interesting and there is information on them that I hadn't heard before. She and her
radio host are still asleep to the Jew lies about Hitler and WWII like most people so they mention some Jew brainwashing about that a couple of times.
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Be interesting to see what if anything happens to shamshilli; given the wide suspicion that he's an fbi stooge (think: Hal Turner), as claimed by the likes of Vinny Eastwood who's been on the war path against PS.
From what little of PS's daily streams I watched, I didn't see anything suspicious. And if "they" cut PS free, it still wouldn't be conclusive that he's compromised, as I didn't see anything they could legitimately prosecute him for.
Showdown in Oregon: How to - and How Not to Fight Tyranny
January 7, 2016 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - The showdown between armed ranchers and federal agents in the US state of Oregon has triggered passionate debates not only about the particulars of the standoff itself, but the precise manner in which people should stand up against an increasingly overbearing government and the corporate-financier special interests that have commandeered it.
Wall Street and Washington have left the country itself in socioeconomic shambles. Abroad, these collective special interests are subverting nations politically and economically from Venezuela to Southeast Asia, waging war throughout North Africa and the Middle East, while propping up criminal client regimes in nations like Ukraine.
A handful of armed ranchers with a few boxes of supplies, who live within and are completely dependent on a system controlled by the very special interests they are standing up against, will do little to change the military, economic, political, and social factors that add up to the above described global equation.
The ranchers' supply cache looks like it was picked up from one of America's many mega-retailers, the literal consumerist feeding troughs that keep the American people perpetually in servile dependence, and the Fortune 500 deeply entrenched amid the unwarranted power and influence it has enjoyed for decades and is able to wield at home and abroad with virtual impunity.
It is not unlike a group of American G.I.'s trying to fight the Germans during WW2, while buying German rations, from the Germans, all while leaving German supply lines completely intact. They would not only be preserving their enemy's source of strength to fight, but paying into it. The harder they "fought" the more supplies they would need, and the stronger their enemy would become.
The ranchers' standoff, from a purely strategic point-of-view, is already a failure. No matter who is really behind it, and no matter how it plays out, the actions of the ranchers at best will cause the government to back down on this one particular issue, and only for this particular case At worse, it will only further justify the growing police state evolving within America's borders. Regardless, it will do absolutely nothing to change the balance of power enabling Wall Street and Washington at home or abroad.
How to Fight Tyranny
A growing tyranny is not entirely unlike an insurgency. The terms insurgency and counterinsurgency can quickly become confusing in a politically motivated context. However, generally speaking, an insurgency seeks to overthrow an established institution or political order, while a counterinsurgency seeks to maintain that order.
In the United States, and around much of the world where the nation-state still prevails, the established order is one of national sovereignty based on constitutions and charters produced by each respective nation, with an infrastructure built and improved upon over generations by each nation's respective cultures, economic activities, and innovations. From a nation's national courts and military, all the way down to the individual family, these are the established institutions of one's nation.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EdJDGfDNOw...rporateMap.jpg Image: The problem goes beyond the various government agencies that torment us, be it land departments perceived to be harassing ranchers, or police perceived to be harassing African-Americans, and stems from the unwarranted power and influence the government wields due to the corporate-financier interests that have commandeered it to serve its own interests. A few guns and a box of supplies bought at Walmart will not solve a problem that, ironically, includes Walmart.
There is an insurgency to subvert all of this. A global corporate-financier insurgency, or simply a "corporate-insurgency."
The corporate-insurgency seeks to subvert our institutions, starting with the family, extending to our schools, universities, churches, temples and mosques, our local sheriff, and even reaching into our national governments, rewriting or eradicating altogether our national constitutions and charters. It has, to a great extent, already subverted our independent local infrastructure, while implementing laws and regulations to prevent us from restoring it. We have the very tactics described in a vast library of government and military counterinsurgency documents being employed against us, where ever we are and to a profound effect.
"Insurgency is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a region. As such, it is primarily a political struggle, in which both sides use armed force to create space for their political, economic and influence activities to be effective. Insurgency is not always conducted by a single group with a centralized, military-style command structure, but may involve a complex matrix of different actors with various aims, loosely connected in dynamic and non-hierarchical networks. To be successful, insurgencies require charismatic leadership, supporters, recruits, supplies, safe havens and funding (often from illicit activities). They only need the active support of a few enabling individuals, but the passive acquiescence of a large proportion of the contested population will give a higher probability of success. This is best achieved when the political cause of the insurgency has strong appeal, manipulating religious, tribal or local identity to exploit common societal grievances or needs. Insurgents seek to gain control of populations through a combination of persuasion, subversion and coercion while using guerrilla tactics to offset the strengths of government security forces. Their intent is usually to protract the struggle, exhaust the government and win sufficient popular support to force capitulation or political accommodation. Consequently, insurgencies evolve through a series of stages, though the progression and outcome will be different in almost every case." - page 7 U.S. Government Counterinsurgency Guide, 2009 (emphasis added)While this above quote is a most accurate description of an insurgency, as one reads the US Government Counterinsurgency Guide (2009), they will realize that the opposing methods of counterinsurgency itself involve all of these same factors, simply mirrored and reflecting the interests of the US versus the interests of targeted "insurgencies."
As a matter of fact, what is described by the 2009 counterinsurgency (COIN) guide, is an accurate description of how political control has been achieved and maintained by all governments throughout the entirety of human history - it also forms the foundation of modern empire.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J6NkZOqmwP...SAID_USDoD.tif Image: The cover of the US Government Counterinsurgency Guide (2009) features the signatures representing the trifecta of modern day empire, covert operations (USAID), military force (Department of Defense), and system administration (the State Department). COIN describes the methods by which empire is implemented at a grassroots level.
Understanding this is key to finding solutions when one finds themselves under the subjugation of an unfavorable political ideology or system. The tactics the guide describes can, and often are, used by either side in any political struggle, not necessarily only in an armed "insurgency."
COIN is a socioeconomic-tactical synthesis, an interdisciplinary strategy based on an understanding of how a society functions, how to organize human resources to multiple force, and what needs and desires motivate individuals, as well as how these can be manipulated and controlled to collectively motivate a society. These more technical concepts are generally absent from everyday political discourse, and equally absent or incomplete in regards to finding solutions for a failing or unfavorable system.
Insurgency and Counterinsurgency: How to Fight Back
While the US Government COIN guide gives us a clear picture over the governmental-military interdisciplinary aspects of COIN, the Marine Corps Field Manual 3-24 (FM 3-24) provides us with a complete picture of the actual components of an insurgency and all the relating factors that affect it.
This includes an enumerated list of services, institutions, organizations, and processes that must be controlled in order to establish political, tactical, and economic primacy. Without these, counterinsurgency fails. Without these, any political movement seeking to assert itself over a flawed or failing system, fails.
While FM 3-24 deals with an armed insurgency, presumably in a foreign country, the basic concepts can and are applied to the relatively peaceful execution of real political power throughout the world as well. The reason why so many well-intentioned political solutions fall short, is because they are tailored without understanding these basic concepts.
1. Establishing Essential Services
When attempting to establish political primacy - essential services, basic infrastructure, economic development and administration must all be controlled by the counterinsurgency. It is upon these basic aspects of modern society that people depend, and from which popular support is sustainably derived. Strength in arms alone will fail utterly unless these aspects are secured, controlled, and developed properly.
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Upon page 117, the manual discusses the establishment or restoration of essential services. It states specifically (emphasis added):
Essential services address the life support needs of the HN [host-nation] population. The U.S. military’s primary task is normally to provide a safe and secure environment. HN or interagency organizations can then develop the services or infrastructure needed. In an unstable environment, the military may initially have the leading role. Other agencies may not be present or might not have enough capability or capacity to meet HN needs. Therefore, COIN military planning includes preparing to perform these tasks for an extended period.Any goal, no matter how well-planned, noble, or progressive, cannot be achieved before these basic services are established and capable of being sustainably maintained. The military is a highly trained, disciplined, well organized institution capable of developing, maintaining, as well as protecting these services. In our local communities around the world, we have to ask ourselves how we can similarly develop and maintain these services sustainably.
Community gardens, farmers' markets, alternative energy and energy cooperatives, and many other local initiatives shift the power and influence centralized governments and corporate-financier special interests enjoy, away from their monopolies and toward our local communities. Communities that no longer dependent on these special interests are less likely to support them and more likely to defend vigorously infrastructure they are directly invested in.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o1kcFPdB5H...s640/wmill.jpg Image: Local energy cooperatives - maybe not as exciting as a shootout with the Feds, but definitely more constructive and unlike a shootout with the Feds, will actually leave the balance of power tipped slightly greater in the people's favor...
The task is not entirely as daunting as it may seem. Local communities around the world accomplish this through a combination of traditional and newly created local institutions. Most local communities around the world operate with the added advantage that the corporate-insurgency they face is low-intensity and generally not armed. For prospective activists, auditing what their communities already possess, and how to develop it to be more organized and effective would be a good first step.
Some other initial priorities identified by the manual include the following taken from page 122:
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Many communities already possess the ability to do these activities on their own. Points such as "building an indigenous local security force" might translate into efforts to empower local sheriff offices to negate intrusive, unconstitutional federal government control. It might also include the establishment of professional neighborhood watches and shooting clubs where responsible gun ownership is taught - not only to gun enthusiasts, but inclusively to community demographics not traditionally associated with firearm ownership.
Building and improving schools might translate into expanding and improving local home schooling networks, leveraging freely available open-courseware online, and opening after-school tutoring centers giving remedial classes or teaching trades and skills not taught at existing educational institutions.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Nk511rG_Mf...dec-09-016.jpg Image: Growing food organically, locally, undermines big-ag and big-retail. It also redistributes wealth not through government programs that breed dependency amongst the population, but through local entrepreneurship where people directly participate in and benefit from productive economic activity.
Image: Growing food organically, locally, undermines big-ag and big-retail. It also redistributes wealth not through government programs that breed dependency amongst the population, but through local entrepreneurship where people directly participate in and benefit from productive economic activity.
Ultimately, most communities are not faced with absolute destitution. For the most part, basic services exist. The problem really is that these services are carried out in some cases by "corporate-insurgents" and play an essential role in building legitimacy and a support base dependent on the corporate-insurgency for these services. Therefore, the goal should be to take ownership over the execution of these basic services which can be done as a community effort or as a local, small business. The precept of "boycott and replace" is the equivalent of the "take, hold, and rebuild" doctrine in military "nation-building" and counterinsurgency.
2. Economic Development
On page 119 of the report, it states the importance of expanding on basic services and supporting economic development. It states specifically:The short-term aspect concerns immediate problems, such as large-scale unemployment and reestablishing an economy at all levels. The long-term aspect involves stimulating indigenous, robust, and broad economic activity. The stability a nation enjoys is often related to its people’s economic situation and its adherence to the rule of law. However, a nation’s economic health also depends on its government’s ability to continuously secure its population.Planning economic development requires understanding the society, culture, and operational environment. For example, in a rural society, land ownership and the availability of agricultural equipment, feed, and fertilizer may be the chief parts of any economic development plan. In an urban, diversified society, the availability of jobs and the infrastructure to support commercial activities may be more important. Except for completely socialist economies, governments do not create jobs other than in the public bureaucracy. However, the micro economy can be positively stimulated by encouraging small businesses development. Jump-starting small businesses requires micro finance in the form of some sort of banking activities [now easily done via crowd funding]. So then, supporting economic development requires attention to both the macro economy and the micro economy.Without a viable economy and employment opportunities, the public is likely to pursue false promises offered by insurgents. Sometimes insurgents foster the conditions keeping the economy stagnant. Insurgencies attempt to exploit a lack of employment or job opportunities to gain active and passive support for their cause and ultimately undermine the government’s legitimacy. Unemployed males of military age may join the insurgency to provide for their families. Hiring these people for public works projects or a local civil defense corps can remove the economic incentive to join the insurgency.The report then goes on to list the major categories of economic activity that it implies are essential for the counterinsurgency to control:
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Clearly all of these industries are dominated by corporate-financier special interests and their "corporate-insurgency." One need not stretch their imagination here to see how the economic crisis created by corporate-financier interests across the West and spreading around the world is comparable to the sort of economic challenges facing a post-war nation fighting an armed insurgency.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VrL3UwdXf3...ickstarter.png Image: Through crowdfunding platforms like Kickstarter, local communities can "jump-start" local businesses and their local economies without banking monopolies being involved or possessing leverage over the community long after loans are granted.
The description and redresses described on page 119 are particularly relevant, and if we consider the corporate-financier interests who have overtaken our government and institutions as the insurgency, we must see it within ourselves and our communities to search for the energy and initiative to begin local economic development.
And again, where the military possesses the ability and the resources to do this on their own, or with other government institutions assisting - local communities must develop their own institutions to accomplish these same goals themselves. Hackerspaces and farmers' markets represent two organized efforts to develop economic opportunities locally, and present viable models that can be expanded into other industries.
3. Logistics
An entire section of the counterinsurgency field manual is dedicated to logistics. The importance of managing logistical lines not only enable an army to conduct counterinsurgency operations efficiently, but deny the insurgency supplies to conduct their operations. As it is pointed out, throughout history, insurgencies many times supply themselves off of carelessly protected counterinsurgency supply lines.
The report states on page 169 (emphasis added):Insurgents have a long history of exploiting their enemies’ lines of communications as sources of supply. During the Revolutionary War, American forces significantly provisioned themselves from the British Army’s overindulgent and carelessly defended logistic tail. In the 1930s, Mao Zedong codified a doctrine for insurgency logistics during the fight against the Japanese occupation of China. Without exaggerating, Mao stated, “We have a claim on the output of the arsenals of [our enemies],…and, what is more, it is delivered to us by the enemy’s transport corps. This is the sober truth, it is not a jest.” For Mao’s forces, his enemy’s supply trains provided a valuable source of supply. Mao believed the enemy’s rear was the guerrillas’ front; the guerrillas’ advantage was that they had no discernable logistic rear......For these reasons, forces conducting counterinsurgency operations must protect all potential supplies. Forces must also vigorously protect their lines of communications, scrupulously collect and positively control dud munitions and access to other convertible materiel, and actively seek ways to separate insurgents from black market activities.The corporate-insurgency's logistical lines are particularly easily to compromise - that is because we the people are their logistical lines. Corporate-financier special interests and the government they have constructed to serve them, sustains itself from the collective patronage of communities around the world failing to develop local institutions, services, and economies, and instead pay into centralized, monopolizing multinational corporations. By boycotting and replacing these multinational corporations, we cut the corporate-insurgency off entirely from its logistical lines, starving it into submission.
But just as the USMC COIN manual implores counterinsurgency planners to secure their logistical lines from pilfering insurgents, the corporate-insurgency uses laws and regulations to protect their lines.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9EuRdjsv5a...a-supplies.jpg Image: The Oregon ranchers' supply lines appear to lead right to Walmart's front door. Resistance against Wall Street that pays into Wall Street to sustain itself is doomed to fail before it even begins.
Laws and regulations are designed to prevent independent local institutions, services, and economies from springing up and competing directly with the corporate-insurgency. Farmers in America have been fighting laws seeking to disrupt and regulate out of business, local farmer's markets. Similar laws in regards to "intellectual property rights" seek to stifle the emergence of independent technological innovation and personal manufacturing. Understanding the greater implications of these laws should provide us a greater impetus to organize and find the means of circumventing them.
For local communities organizing against the corporate-insurgency, our "supplies" consist of our food and water, our electricity, our means of communication, and many others. To secure these, we must assume ownership over them, maintaining them as a collective common or a small, local business. To organize against the corporate-insurgency when we are still dependent on them for even simple things like food and water, is a recipe for instant and repeated failure.
4. Communications
In a very literal sense, a local community's communications include telephone networks, the Internet, and radio. Like many other aspects of fighting the corporate-insurgency, the low-intensity nature of it affords us the ability to piecemeal boycott and replace various aspects of its power structure without disrupting the lives of people in our local community.
Often times, alternatives are more appealing than existing, monopolized options, and enhance rather than disrupt the lives of ordinary people.
In terms of communication infrastructure, ad hoc wireless networks could be constructed to connect a local Internet. This is already being done by the US State Department to infiltrate and overthrow sovereign nation-states - they already recognize it as an essential strategy of the corporate-insurgency.
In New York Times' article, "U.S. Underwrites Internet Detour Around Censors," it states:The Obama administration is leading a global effort to deploy “shadow” Internet and mobile phone systems that dissidents can use to undermine repressive governments that seek to silence them by censoring or shutting down telecommunications networks.The effort includes secretive projects to create independent cellphone networks inside foreign countries, as well as one operation out of a spy novel in a fifth-floor shop on L Street in Washington, where a group of young entrepreneurs who look as if they could be in a garage band are fitting deceptively innocent-looking hardware into a prototype “Internet in a suitcase.”With a well developed community Hackerspace, a similar network can be created for a local community to simply circumvent and replace corporate-financier monopolies, providing custom tailored services for a community its creators already know, and spreading the profits of communication monopolies across local communities worldwide - a redistribution of wealth done not through socialist handouts, but through innovative local entrepreneurship. A larger international Internet could be made by simply providing links between communities.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SW63eC5c1x...ackerspace.jpg Image: Hackerspaces - sometimes called makerspaces - are local institutions that pool together both technological and human resources to prototype and manufacture local technology and solutions. They serve as the perfect nexus for solving everything from agricultural problems to creating local communication solutions, and even bringing manufacturing down to a personal level.
The alternative media is a perfect example of a new decentralized "institution" leveraging communication to successfully counter the corporate-insurgency, and it does so by leveraging technology that allows us to do as individuals what was once only possible with large, capital intensive organizations.
The alternative media also reflects some of the tactical considerations expressed by the USMC COIN field manual in regards to logistics. By using large corporate-owned, free services like Blogger, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and others to spread a constructive message aimed at developing our local communities, and against the corporate-insurgency, we are essentially exploiting their own logistical lines for our own cause.
Conclusion
It must be understood that while, without taking these basic aspects into consideration a political movement is sure to fail, this does not by any means negate the work of activists focused in other areas. A synergy must be created between all efforts aimed at unwarranted corporate-financier influence - but these fundamentals must be understood by all involved.
It must also be understood that not everyone employed or involved in a large corporate-financier, multinational corporation is a bad person. In fact, many people who work for corporations like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Halliburton, Exxon, and even Monsanto or Cargill are hardworking and incredibly talented. Like many military who leave the service and join the cause of humanity, these people can become some of our most valued allies if and when they realize the greater implications of what they are involved in and what, for their own best interests and those of humanity, they must next do.
For our part, we must work hard to develop our local communities, to create tangible solutions to the problems we face, superior local alternatives to replace the dependency that empowers special interests, and produce a viable model that is self-evidently a system people will want to join and help build.
Of all the aspects discussed in the voluminous collection of counterinsurgency manuals the US government has produced, possessing a morally superior cause and instilling a sense of legitimacy within a population ranks toward the top in importance. Building a local community with the people's best interests addressed by the people's own two hands themselves, exhibits just such a cause, featuring just such legitimacy. It would be a movement very difficult for the corporate-insurgency to prevail against, and is the key reason why their doctrine has failed them overseas in pursuit of their empire where nations and peoples have successfully accomplished this.
For the Oregon ranchers, their ill-conceived strategy fits nowhere within the above outlined necessities for taking back our communities and institutions. A well-organized and well-armed citizenry if led and used properly, would deter confrontations before they even unfolded. A group finding itself in multiple armed standoffs before it has even built the necessary sociopolitical and technical underpinning necessary to sustain any kind of struggle, has failed to understand even the most elementary aspects of strategic doctrine and has doomed itself before it even began.
The best advice for those either joined with these ranchers, or supporting them, is to step back from the Hollywood narrative apparently being woven, see how our attention has been distracted away from real solutions and real local empowerment, and directed toward an expanding confrontation Wall Street and Washington are well prepared to easily win.
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RedsilverJ, an ambitious 25 mins of calling people Jokuh! and FAKE!
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Oregon Wildlife Refuge Standoff Was an Anti-Patriot FBI Operation (Redsilverj)
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The Oregon state Legislature is working to pass legislation to keep the identity of the murderers of Lavoy Finicum secret. They claim there have been threats against the police. It's probably the FBI threatening them to get the legislation passed so it will be easier to get away with Lavoys murder. SOB's
Story here. http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns...lice-name-law/
There's another interview of Shawna Cox on Freedom Outpost where she speaks about filming with her video camera when Lavoy was murdered. She says the FBI have it. She says she was recording when they were shot at and it would be on the video. I've got a feeling that video will never see the light of day.
Video and story here. http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/02/la...as-shot-video/
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Originally Posted by Tumbleweed
In one of the interviews at the link posted above it is stated that the FBI had beat the hell out of two of the body guards that had been protecting Clivens wife Carol. It was confirmed in the interview by Brianna Bundy. I haven't located anywhere else where this has been mentioned before. Maybe some one else has posted it somewhere and I've missed it.
Lory Storm says at the scene of Lavoys murder she walked back in the woods where the snipers had been and found where maybe six of them were dropped off by a snowmobile. The tracks then led to places where they had sawed branches off trees in preparation for the ambush. Not a routine traffic stop as they've said but a preplanned set up ambush and murder.
There were other things in the interviews that I thought were interesting but they don't come to mind at the moment.
Another thing that Lorry Storm said was LaVoy may have taken a bullet before he left the truck. I had thought that was possible because you could see a bullet hole in the left side of the windshield in one part of the video the FBI released.
Yes and Shawna Cox confirmed in the Freedom Outpost interview that they had been shot at just before they left the road at the ambush.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty
Mafia BLM Burns Rancher Property and Cows to Show They Own This Joint http://truthstreammedia.com/wp-conte...s-ranchers.jpg
(Truthstream Media) With the killing of LaVoy Finicum and the standoff at the Oregon Malheur Wildlife Refuge still fresh on everyone’s mind, it is worth taking a look at the actions from the other side.
Not the FBI agents and other law enforcement who descended upon the area, but the BLM and other federal agents who engage in bureaucratic land theft, and engage in sometimes nefarious tactics to surround and pressure out land owners who don’t want to sell.
This is what the average TV viewer does not know about why Oregon happened. This is what it looks like when the mafia sends a message.
Watch the video:
•Full video — Feds Burning Cows ALIVE, Torching Homes, Imprisoning Ranchers!
•Full video – Gov’t employee brags about stealing land
Not two weeks after the Hammond father and son were sent BACK to prison on trumped-up “terrorism” charges for setting an acre of federal land in a controlled burn to eradicate weeds (an incident that actually took place some time back, and for which the Hammond’s already served jail time) – the feds showed up to burn off land in the area.
The burns, initiated by the BLM, took place out of season and spread onto the surrounding lands that are privately owned. As video shows, the flames surrounded engulfed several ranchers, who had numerous cows burned as the fires either caught up with them quickly, or trapped them.
Video shows ranchers outraged at the violence to their cattle and their land, and the blatant tactics employed by the feds to assert dominance over the wild lands of the Western U.S. in concert with Agenda 21 “conservation” concerns that amount to federal land grabs and leave people between narrow frontiers and fewer freedoms in the expansive rural lands, or the many controls of modern, digital, urban society.
How far will the system press against freedom, and how will people respond next to what is coming?
Read more:
Read more:
NOT NORMAL: Oregon Rancher Killing Highlights Police State Dehumanization
The U.S. Gov’t Vs. a Cattle Rancher: ‘Wake up America. They are taking everything away from us.’
Oath Keepers Vow to Stand by Bundy Ranch in Cattle Dispute with Feds
Anna Von Reitz seems to think Grant County, Oregon Sherrif Glenn Palmer is a constitutional Sherriff. Because of what's happened I wouldn't trust him. Below is a letter Sherriff Palmer sent to Joe Biden and can be found at Paul Stamers site.
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What a REAL SHERIFF does under pressure!
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Judge Anna has also written a letter of support to Sherriff Palmer below. It is also found at Paul Stramers site.
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Letter of Support for Sheriff Palmer, Grant County, Oregon
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by Anna Von Reitz
Sheriff Palmer and Sheriff Clarke in Oregon have both realized that the "Federal Government" corporation and its for-hire agencies have usurped unlawful jurisdiction, but they may still not realize exactly how or why, so I wrote the following Letter of Support to Sheriff Palmer to make it absolutely clear:
February 15, 2016
Sheriff Glenn E. Palmer
Grant County Sheriff’s Office
205 South Humbolt
Canyon City, Oregon RFD 97820
Dear Sheriff Palmer,
I want to thank and congratulate you on your strong stand in behalf of The Constitution and for honoring the guarantees that both the States of America and the living people are owed.
Although you are currently employed by a “governmental services corporation” that forces you to spend your time and effort on corporate law enforcement activities---- enforcement of “Public Policies” and “code” and “statutory law” and “regulations” instead of enforcing the Organic and Public Law we are all owed---- Sheriff Richard Mack brought this very issue all the way to the US Supreme Court in Mack and Prinz v. USA and it was determined that you have every right to exercise your office in defense of The Constitution.
If anyone tries to intimidate you or tell you that you can’t enforce the Organic Law of this country, you just waive that under their noses.
That said, it must be clearly stated that as things now stand, you are not occupying any Public Office. This isn’t your fault and I am not criticizing you. This circumstance resulted from the units of State and County governments choosing to “incorporate” as franchises of the USA, Inc. back in the 1950’s and 60’s.
When you take a company operating on the land and under the Law of the Land and incorporate it, the resulting corporation then has to operate in the international jurisdiction of the sea and under the international Law of the Sea.
The Constitution is the “Supreme Law of the Land” so far as the Federal Government is concerned, but without an unincorporated County or State organization to access that jurisdiction, you are stuck operating as you now are---- a mere employee of a governmental services corporation, placed between your stated and moral duty to enforce The Constitution and the Organic Law of this country and the demands of those operating the private corporation management for you to do nothing but enforce their edicts and regulations instead.
Mack and Prinz v. USA guarantees your right to enforce The Constitution, but a man cannot ultimately serve two masters.
The move is on to elect men like you to the true Public Office of Sheriff on the Land in restored Counties operating as unincorporated body politics owed absolute control of the land jurisdiction of this country once again. As a peace officer--- as opposed to a “law enforcement” officer--- you will be able to occupy the vacated Public Office of Sheriff on the Land and hold the highest peace keeping office in America. You will be able to deputize as many men as you need to deputize to guarantee The Constitution and enforce it and the rest of our Public Law. You will be able to commandeer whatever equipment you need.
The De Facto Rule of the Corporations as opposed to the Rule of Law and their usurpation upon our jurisdiction is swiftly coming to a well-deserved and ignominious end, as these organizations are being recognized internationally as the self-interested crime syndicates they have become. The banks that have been running these “governmental services corporations” as storefronts and misrepresenting them as if these organizations were in fact our lawful government have been caught red-handed in mammoth fraud, unlawful conversion of assets, and enslavement.
From the “Governor” on down, people have knowingly or unknowingly been impersonating lawful Public Officials and appearing to act in our lawful Public Offices, while in fact occupying private corporate offices instead. Many of them have taken secretive advantage of the resulting lack of accountability to plunder our country and our people. Those who have abused our trust and used these similarly named private offices as a means to abuse the power of Public Offices for private gain and purposes of plunder are guilty of terrible crimes. They will be prosecuted accordingly.
Please try to inform your fellow-Sheriffs of the facts so that no more of them fall into the trap of obeying unlawful and immoral orders. The Nuremburg Tribunal has been reopened to serve those who, like Sheriff Ward, continue to follow orders that are: (1) not issued by anyone holding valid Public Office; (2) violate the Organic and Public Law of this country; (3) result in harming innocent people and their public and private property interests.
Judge Anna Maria Riezinger
c/o Box 520994
Big Lake, Alaska RFD 99652
BREAKING Feds are Rounding Up Bundys Cattle
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Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e79UqnBArxw
That will teach you malcontents what happens when you thumb your nose at law enforcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
Now bow down and worship your gods on earth you swine.
He broke the law, he has to pay.. No you can't know the jurisdiction of that law just do as we say and no one will get hurt.Quote:
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