Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
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Originally Posted by Awoke
I have an actual copy of morals and dgoma at home, in my possession, but I am reading about 4 books right now simultaniously, so who knows when I will sit down and read the actual works of a luciferian anti-Christian?
I have read a few books that dissect Pikes Ms&D book, but I know that I have to read the source itself.
I would disagree with you on your synopsis though. It is hell-bent on the destruction of Christianity, using "Reason" and "Superstition" to lead people away from Christ.
I will post more in this thread to discuss with you, but I just posted a lengthy post in a similair thread and I'm burnt out on it right now.
EDITED for typos and clarity.
The intro to Morals & Dogma says that masons may believe the book in part, completely, or not at all. Pike didn't pretend to speak for all masons (even though he was head poobah of the Southern Jurisdiction USA for a few decades).
For what it's worth, Pike considered himself a "trinitarian christian". I was surprised too.
Here are some snippets from here and there:
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Speak kindly to your erring brother! God pities him; Christ has died for him; Providence waits for him; Heaven’s mercy yearns toward him; and Heaven’s spirits are ready to welcome him back with joy. (Morals & Dogma p.134)
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Masonry does not pretend to be a religion; but it is not irreligious or irreverent. It does not assume to take the place of any religion, or claim to make religion unnecessary. To charge it with this is to libel it. It requires its initiates to believe in one God and a Divine Providence, and that the soul survives the dissolution of the body. Thus it teaches those great primary truths on which all religion must repose; and it inculcates those principles of pure morality which have commended themselves to the good and wise of all ages." (Albert Pike – Ritual for the Reception of a Louveteau p.14)
Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
SirGonzo, what you are posting I can find on pro masonic sites, I been reading since 2007.
Like this one. You are actually posting what is on there, read it.
Are these your ideas you posted or you read them online from pro mason sites ?
http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm
I have masonic books , banned, Awoke and I even shared some of them in PM,
and skykike banned us for that. I posted that screen of him talking about scientology.
And who thanked him, monkey trolls and his little agents.
I have posted screens from these books, Jah Bul On, very revealing, demon gods.
Pike ain't no Christian, what do you expect him to say to his target audience that is
Christian, first they hook you.
Pike is a very sinister character.
His methods and masonry methods we can see in MSM and disinfo today.
Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
Albert Pike
QUOTES BY ALBERT PIKE, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33rd Degree, Ku Klux Klan ritual designer, Ku Klux Klan Chief Judicial Officer and Arkansas Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the spirit of darkness! Lucifer, The Son of The Morning! [Here Pike is denying Christ as the Light of the world and giving that designation to Lucifer, the Devil] Is it he who bears the light . .? Doubt it Not!" (Pike, op. cit., p. 321. See also A Ralph Epperson, The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History, Tucson, Arizona, Publius Press, 1985, p. 224).
On July 14, 1889, Pike gave instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World: "That which we must say to the crowd is, We worship a God, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (the name of the 33rd degree, the highest degree known to the world in Scottish Rite Masonry), we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees. The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine . . . Yes, Lucifer is God . . . the pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer . . . Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good . . ." (Decker, op. cit., p. 6). With this admission, is it any wonder that Pike is called the "Pontiff of Luciferian Freemasonry" (Waite, op. cit., Vol. II, p. 253)?
"Nothing excites men's curiosity so much as Mystery, concealing things which they desire to know; and nothing so much increases curiosity as obstacles that interpose to prevent them from indulging in the gratification of their desires. Of this the Legislators and Hierophants took advantage, to attract the people to their sanctuaries, and to induce them to seek to obtain lessons from which they would perhaps have turned away with indifference if they had been pressed upon them." (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 384).
"So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray . . . If you have been disappointed in the first three degrees, as you have received them . . . remember that . . . symbols were used, not to reveal but to conceal . . . The symbols and ceremonies of Masonry have more than one meaning. They rather conceal than disclose the Truth" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma,pp. 105-106; 148).
"The Blue Degrees (the first three degrees of Masonry) are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their True explication is reserved for the Adepts (those who have advanced to the highest degrees in Masonry) . . . It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain (and any past Mason who has learned the truth, knows the almost complete futility in trying to enlighten his fellow Mason as to truth. For they have been so completely indoctrinated they will not listen, nor examine the evidence presented to them) . . . " (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819).
"Masonry, like all the [man-made organised] Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it. . . . So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets, and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, pp. 104-105).
The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is NOT a black God..... but the negation of God.... the Devil is the personification of Atheism ....or Idolatry. For the 'Initiates', this is not a person, but a Force, created for GOOD, but which may serve for evil. IT..is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the He-Goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend. (Albert Pike: Morals and Dogma, p. 172).
Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
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Originally Posted by MAGNES
SirGonzo, what you are posting I can find on pro masonic sites, I been reading since 2007.
Like this one. You are actually posting what is on there, read it.
Are these your ideas you posted or you read them online from pro mason sites ?
http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm
I have masonic books , banned, Awoke and I even shared some of them in PM,
and skykike banned us for that. I posted that screen of him talking about scientology.
And who thanked him, monkey trolls and his little agents.
I have posted screens from these books, Jah Bul On, very revealing, demon gods.
Pike ain't no Christian, what do you expect him to say to his target audience that is
Christian, first they hook you.
Pike is a very sinister character.
His methods and masonry methods we can see in MSM and disinfo today.
Have you ever read the book?
I read it, and while a christian might find it objectionable, I don't. I am not a freemason, but a relative of mine is a 32nd degree and he had never read Pike's book or anything like it. Masonry is used today as a power structure; a network.
There is nothing in Morals & Dogma to suggest Satan worship.
Pike's book seems to be more of a synthesis of buddhism and kabbalah, with other bits from various mystery schools thrown in.
I DO however see how the Hegelian dialectic fits in with Pike's affinity for duality/trinity...
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All of Masonry is anti Christian, ritual , manipulation, deceit and demon worship.
Some have described Pike as a brilliant writer and poet, may be true, but that is not a
proof of how good of a guy he is. They don't come out and tell you outright what you
are joining, nor do most know even after they join, Pike himself is part of that deceit,
and has contempt for his fellow masons. Like Lenin, " useful idiots " .
Even MP on gim refused to defend Pike, " he was out there " .
Masonic oaths automatically disqualify you from public office of trust.
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Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420
Have you ever read the book?
I don't have a hard copy, I do have more than one copy in PDF form.
And many mason books written by and for masons, and first hand accounts.
I suspect there are different versions of it even in hard copy.
There are quotes above, you have the hard copy, are they there ?
Even if he writes nice stuff what does that prove ?
It's interesting to see Pikes statue in washington as acceptable,
with the same stolen and corrupted double headed eagle as
rothchilds use. He was their man.
Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
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Originally Posted by MAGNES
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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420
Have you ever read the book?
I don't have a hard copy, I do have more than one copy in PDF form.
And many mason books written by and for masons, and first hand accounts.
I suspect there are different versions of it even in hard copy.
There are quotes above, you have the hard copy, are they there ?
Even if he writes nice stuff what does that prove ?
It's interesting to see Pikes statue in washington as acceptable,
with the same stolen and corrupted double headed eagle as
rothchilds use. He was their man.
The quotes from Morals & Dogma are real quotes, but the one from that letter is an admitted hoax. (Leo Taxil hoax)
Pike admits that the higher degrees hide truths from the lower degrees, but that's because that's how the mystery schools did it and freemasonry tries to imitate that.
I like philosophy, and so I was bound to find the book interesting. It's not a big handbook for taking over the world like the Protocols; it is a philosophy/theosophy book.
Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
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Originally Posted by MAGNES
The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is NOT a black God..... but the negation of God.... the Devil is the personification of Atheism ....or Idolatry. For the 'Initiates', this is not a person, but a Force, created for GOOD, but which may serve for evil. IT..is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the He-Goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend. (Albert Pike: Morals and Dogma, p. 172).
This is the key here. Many masons, and the rulers of this world, are what I would call spiritual atheists. They relate to Lucifer, the light bearer, as a symbol of knowledge. They do in fact develop themselves spiritually, but in a negative direction.
Regular atheists like, say, Dawkins, are spiritually immature atheists who believe they've got everything figured out in their head. Spiritual atheists don't rely on logic and debates, they follow their soul. Like anyone who wishes to develop spiritually, they must attain Love. In their case it is love of themselves. As they develop, they become what is known as service-to-self (STS) entities, and can eventually become non-physical. They need others like them to sustain themselves, because their love does not come from the Source....they require others to serve them.
Christ represents service-to-others. Generally the idea behind organized religions (note I didn't necessarily say organized religions) is based on service-to-others as the path of spiritual development. In this case, Love is freely given and received. This makes it difficult for the negative side because it starves them out of existence.
I'm sure a mason could go either way, since these spiritual principles apply equally to both ways. However Free Masontry as an organization appears to be orientated in the negative direction.
Regarding Satan, he is a real entity or being, one that is on the top of this negative pyramid. He requires this dark pyramid to sustain him, feeding off the energy of humanity. He isn't a god, he's just an STS being like all the others that aspire to be like him. And there are humans who could eventually get to his level, theoretically. There are probably many others like him throughout the universe.
Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
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Originally Posted by vacuum
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Originally Posted by MAGNES
The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is NOT a black God..... but the negation of God.... the Devil is the personification of Atheism ....or Idolatry. For the 'Initiates', this is not a person, but a Force, created for GOOD, but which may serve for evil. IT..is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the He-Goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend. (Albert Pike: Morals and Dogma, p. 172).
This is the key here. Many masons, and the rulers of this world, are what I would call spiritual atheists. They relate to Lucifer, the light bearer, as a symbol of knowledge. They do in fact develop themselves spiritually, but in a negative direction.
Regular atheists like, say, Dawkins, are spiritually immature atheists who believe they've got everything figured out in their head. Spiritual atheists don't rely on logic and debates, they follow their soul. Like anyone who wishes to develop spiritually, they must attain Love. In their case it is love of themselves. As they develop, they become what is known as service-to-self (STS) entities, and can eventually become non-physical. They need others like them to sustain themselves, because their love does not come from the Source....they require others to serve them.
Christ represents service-to-others. Generally the idea behind organized religions (note I didn't necessarily say organized religions) is based on service-to-others as the path of spiritual development. In this case, Love is freely given and received. This makes it difficult for the negative side because it starves them out of existence.
I'm sure a mason could go either way, since these spiritual principles apply equally to both ways. However Free Masontry as an organization appears to be orientated in the negative direction.
Regarding Satan, he is a real entity or being, one that is on the top of this negative pyramid. He requires this dark pyramid to sustain him, feeding off the energy of humanity. He isn't a god, he's just an STS being like all the others that aspire to be like him. And there are humans who could eventually get to his level, theoretically. There are probably many others like him throughout the universe.
I'm not familiar with "STS entities"... care to enlighten?
Re: So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....
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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420
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Originally Posted by vacuum
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Originally Posted by MAGNES
The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is NOT a black God..... but the negation of God.... the Devil is the personification of Atheism ....or Idolatry. For the 'Initiates', this is not a person, but a Force, created for GOOD, but which may serve for evil. IT..is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the He-Goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend. (Albert Pike: Morals and Dogma, p. 172).
This is the key here. Many masons, and the rulers of this world, are what I would call spiritual atheists. They relate to Lucifer, the light bearer, as a symbol of knowledge. They do in fact develop themselves spiritually, but in a negative direction.
Regular atheists like, say, Dawkins, are spiritually immature atheists who believe they've got everything figured out in their head. Spiritual atheists don't rely on logic and debates, they follow their soul. Like anyone who wishes to develop spiritually, they must attain Love. In their case it is love of themselves. As they develop, they become what is known as service-to-self (STS) entities, and can eventually become non-physical. They need others like them to sustain themselves, because their love does not come from the Source....they require others to serve them.
Christ represents service-to-others. Generally the idea behind organized religions (note I didn't necessarily say organized religions) is based on service-to-others as the path of spiritual development. In this case, Love is freely given and received. This makes it difficult for the negative side because it starves them out of existence.
I'm sure a mason could go either way, since these spiritual principles apply equally to both ways. However Free Masontry as an organization appears to be orientated in the negative direction.
Regarding Satan, he is a real entity or being, one that is on the top of this negative pyramid. He requires this dark pyramid to sustain him, feeding off the energy of humanity. He isn't a god, he's just an STS being like all the others that aspire to be like him. And there are humans who could eventually get to his level, theoretically. There are probably many others like him throughout the universe.
I'm not familiar with "STS entities"... care to enlighten?
Google results of "sts entity" provide a pretty good idea of the concept and relate to what I'm talking about.
