church observation

If you had attended a weekday mass 40 years ago, you would have seen the same thing.

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Originally Posted by StreetsOfGold

IF the entire CATHOLIC church died in America, it would be a great day indeed. America was built on Christian beliefs and ideas, NOT catholic ones. You couldn't even BE a Catholic in congress untill the 1800's. when the stinking Jesuits influenced the lawmakers to allow Catholics.

Catholicsm = Satanism

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WOW !

You and some of your ignorant friends on here are not for real.

" Catholics are kabballists ", " Crosses are satanic" , " stone the Orthodox ",
you people are haters and destroyers of Europe and the planet.

Learn some history, Catholics and the Church are builders of Europe,
every single one of you would be bowing down and praying to Mecca
if it was not for them. That is just one fact. Despite it's excesses.

One liner haters with their troll posts Vs indisputable history.

" PEARLS BEFORE SWINE " ANTY EP, before he left for good.

Rabbi "Gentiles only exist to serve jews"

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef: Gentiles Exist Only to Serve Jews
http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=29404

StreetsOfGold's Rabbi speaks, he defends him.

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Originally Posted by StreetsOfGold

Oh I wouldn't let what one rabbi says bother you. Afterall, EVERY pope for the last 1650 years have taught that EVERY person on earth should be under his authority and not unlike muslims believe that those who resist should be killed. Neither are in position to accomplish this on a mass scale so why worry about it. Worry is a sin anyways.

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Originally Posted by MAGNES

WOW ! Every single point you made stinks worse than most bullshit on here.

This is Israel's Chief Rabbi, the Pope can't even quote Constantine without riots.

If someone would of told me 10 years ago I would be actively defending the
Catholic Church and a Popes comments I would of laughed at them at minimum.

Many of you promote propaganda on here, but you are on the wrong forum for this.
Your comments are an insult and troll comments to educated people here.

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Originally Posted by po boy

Why defend a church that covers up pedophilia?

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Originally Posted by MAGNES

" WHY SUPPORT THE USA AND THE CONSTITUTION ? "

" After all the Founding Fathers were all slave owning racists. "

ROFL !

http://www.omdurman.org/martel1.jpg

http://www.historyofjihad.org/crusades18.jpg



http://www.themiddleages.net/people/charlemagne.jpg

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Some Protestants treat each other like viruses in many cases,
they are dividers and they hate the builders that matter, they talk
like the Occult in many cases.

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Originally Posted by StreetsOfGold

IF the entire CATHOLIC church died in America, it would be a great day indeed. America was built on Christian beliefs and ideas, NOT catholic ones. You couldn't even BE a Catholic in congress untill the 1800's. when the stinking Jesuits influenced the lawmakers to allow Catholics.

Catholicsm = Satanism

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Ok, now I take issue with this, and I will show you based on scripture.

Before I get into it, I will say that I recognize that the (Catholic) Church is corrupted from within, but that also goes for all other sects of the Christian faith. In fact, going back to the book of Jude which I exhorted above, you can see plainly that the conspiratorial decievers were already hard at work infiltrating and working towards the destruction of the Christian Faith right at its inception:

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Originally Posted by Jude

[1] Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James: to them that are beloved in God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called.
[2] Mercy unto you, and peace, and charity be fulfilled.
[3] Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.
[4] For certain men are secretly entered in, (who were written of long ago unto this judgment,) ungodly men, turning the grace of our Lord God into riotousness, and denying the only sovereign Ruler, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
[5] I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not: [6] And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day.
[7] As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighbouring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.
[8] In like manner these men also defile the flesh, and despise dominion, and blaspheme majesty.
[9] When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
[10] But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.

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Also, in 1 John, chapter 2, starting at verse 18 you can read about the deceivers at work, the antichrists:

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Originally Posted by John

Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrists is coming, so now many antichrists have come; therefore we know that it is the last hour.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us.

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The point I am making is that the Church has been under attack since day one. Humanity and our salvation was under attack long bfore Christ came, which was the reason for his coming to begin with: To save us.


So then scripturally I take issue with your statement, as if Lutheranism or whatever other protestant version of Christianity which holds strict adherance to the KJV is "better than" or more "pure than" the Catholic faith.

I give thanks to the Lord that I have a friend who pointed this out to me when I was bent on discovering "What is the closest version of Christianity".

In the book revelation there are 7 letters to 7 Churches. John was given this revelation by Christ on the Island of Patmos, and was told to write these letters to the 7 Churches. I will not repost them all here, but they are found in Revelation right at the start of Chapter 2.




So then let's look at a significant difference in what Jesus had to say to the 7 Churches that Jesus addressed through John:

Ephesus:
He finds good work and praises their efforts, and He finds bad and scolds their misdeeds. (Rev2:4)

Smyrna:
He finds good work and praises their efforts, and warns them against the synagoue of Satan (Rev2:9)

Pergamum:
He finds good work and praises their efforts, and He finds bad and scolds their misdeeds. (Rev2:14)

Thyatira:
He finds good work and praises their efforts, and He finds Jezebel teaching immorality. (Rev2:20)

Sardis:
He does not find too much of good work, except for a few, and He finds bad and scolds their misdeeds. (Rev3:1)

Philadelphia:
He finds good work. The Lord mentions no fault in this Church. (Rev 3:7)

Laodicea:
This Church is found neither cold nor hot, but Lukewarm, and the Lord says they will be spit out as a result. (Rev 3:140


So then, where are these Churches now? The Catholic Church is not perfect, but then neither is Baptist, Pentacostal, Lutheran, or whatever other label you want to put on it. Simply put, none of the current modern day Churches are the Church of Smyrna or Philadelphia, and whether you like it or not, those are the only two Churches that Jesus Christ Himself addressed and found no fault in.

As I Christian, I find strength in this knowledge. I attend a Catholic Church, but I don't consider myself a "Catholic".
I am a "Christian". I am not a "Protestant" or anything else.
I love Jesus, and Jesus Christ is my Lord, and my faith needs no label put on it, nor do I need other people to agree with me. My faith has been steered and shaped by the Lord through Prayer, Scripture and friends/angels that the Lord has put in my life to help me along the way as I seek the truth.




I am getting sidetracked. The essence is this:
This division in the Christian faith is the work of the synagogue of satan, and there is ample warning of this group of conspirators all througout the Holy Scriptures.


I doubt very highly that any of the modern Churches meet the Holy expectations of Jesus Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit.

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Originally Posted by Awoke

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This division in the Christian faith is the work of the synagogue of satan, and there is ample warning of this group of conspirators all througout the Holy Scriptures...

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I would say the division in the Church is part of the action of Beast of the Apocalypse (BotA). The reference to the s-o-s in Apoc. refers to the present time for St. John (though it may still have relevance today). The BotA is an agency which has the singular purpose to destroy Christianity. The 7 heads can be thought of as different approaches used by the beast to accomplish it goal, or more precisely, different areas of human thought to control and distort to its purpose (i.e., politics, economics, science, media, etc.). The BotA interacts with the whore and the little beast (who may represent false prophecy which is part of what has lead to the current divisions in Christianity, and to other religions). This is based on the amillenial view- the view the Church has held since Augustine, and which some protestant churches also hold.

meanwhile the snyagouges are bursting at the seems with the young who are eager to read the torah and talmud

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Originally Posted by JohnQPublic

I would say the division in the Church is part of the action of Beast of the Apocalypse (BotA).

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Agreed, but I'm saying it is the work of satan at it's core.

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Originally Posted by JohnQPublic

The reference to the s-o-s in Apoc. refers to the present time for St. John (though it may still have relevance today).

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Without a doubt the SOS is active today. They are reading every word we type on this forum.

Chad, I go church hopping with my neighbor in my county. Regardless of the religion, it's all old people, and very few people our age. The same was true when I was out on the road. I always thought the old-people-factor was because of my location in the country (God's Waiting Room), but in all different kinds of churches, I saw the same thing: almost completely old people.

PS - I think it's absurd that people argue over which flavor of Christianity they believe in. It always reminds me of this Emo Phillips bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2y_k...eature=related

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Originally Posted by k-os

Chad, I go church hopping with my neighbor in my county. Regardless of the religion, it's all old people, and very few people our age. The same was true when I was out on the road. I always thought the old-people-factor was because of my location in the country (God's Waiting Room), but in all different kinds of churches, I saw the same thing: almost completely old people.

PS - I think it's absurd that people argue over which flavor of Christianity they believe in. It always reminds me of this Emo Phillips bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2y_k...eature=related

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Die heretic!!

I'm curious to know what Chud thinks of all this...

Try going to a Catholic church that serves the Mexican part of the Catholic population and see what happens.