Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver
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7th trump
There is no new government....all the union states have returned to their union status.
No. The several States are administrative subdivisions of the federal government.
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7th trump
There was no orginal rules to begin with....involuntary slavery is outlawed.
Slavery is still slavery. An adjective simply acts to reduce the population. As in 'all men' as opposed to 'all short men'.
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7th trump
Nonsense huh?
An amendment cannot eliminate that which makes it exist.
Your short sightedness is going to lead you to poor decisions. You admitted yourself that the 14th amendment makes a new class called a 'subject'. Do old rules apply to something newly created?
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7th trump
Your "prohibition" thingy is an example of you trying to fit square pegs in round holes.
No. Rather it is an example of the trouble you may find yourself in by relying upon legislation. Here is another one. County attorneys were eliminated in Iowa in 1971 by constitutional amendment. Why does each county still have an attorney on the payroll?
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7th trump
The 14th amendment didnt make a new government. It made subjects for the federal government where none existed before.
YET BY A STRANGE COINCIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER BOTHERED TO EXPLAIN ... WHY IS THE ORGANIC NATIONAL DEBT FIXED AT $346,681,016?????
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7th trump
What does the 14th say?
If it speaks to you then that is proof you are delusional.
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7th trump
Where is the wording suggesting as you say the 14th eliminates the original government and replaces it with a different government.
Specifically? Right here:
"But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void."
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7th trump
Do you understand what form of law the "civil law" is from the "common law"?
Do YOU understand that CIVILIZATION is the process of making a common law crime civil?
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7th trump
We are talking form.
I am not TALKING at all!!!
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7th trump
Look up "United States Civil Law" sometime and get a clue!!!
Heres a clue.........its the difference between knowing what is "democracy" from a "republic".
Before the 14th there wasnt a civil law form because there wasnt any federal subjects in existence.
The government adopted the roman civil law form because they now had subjects who couldnt be their own king and rule themsleves as a republic from of government.
I suppose you are touting this as a BENEFIT?
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7th trump
You are going to use "due process" as your means of debate?
"MEANS OF DEBATE"???? Do we need MEANS to debate?
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7th trump
Are you this stupid?
I am not as nice as you!!!
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7th trump
Thank you for showing the proof the US federal government has never been removed by the 14th amendment.
Theres nothing like giving yourself an embarrassing black eye in a debate.....but I'll take what ever you are willing to give me.
Is DUE PROCESS under the 14th amendment the same as DUE PROCESS under the 5th amendment?
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7th trump
Do you think the government was going to take away "due process" from the now free'd slaves.
Thank you for making my point. If DUE PROCESS had applied to 14th amendment 'citizens' (aka freed slaves) there would be no need to repeat the concept would there?
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7th trump
Heres a bit of history about the 14th.
The 14th may have free'd the slave from involuntary servitude but it never brought them up to the level of the People.
So now you actually come out and admit that the 14th amendment forms a new government with none of the baggage of the organic constitution? SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT TWITT?
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7th trump
Not one state, not even one northern yankee state, allowed the free'd slave negroes as an equal to the white people.
This is a stupid statement that is false. There were many northern states that admitted blacks to citizenship. NONE OF THEM ADDRESSED A SEPARATE CITIZENSHIP CLASS CONSISTING OF FREED SLAVE NEGROES. You were either a citizen or you were not. Your attempt to characterize government acts lacks merit and is ABRASIVE.
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7th trump
Heres a clue in statutory form.
Reverting to your religious source again?
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7th trump
Why is this even an issue if the free'd slave was an equal after being free'd?
Because they werent an equal and why there is such an Act called the Civil Rights Act of 1866.
Why is there the Bill of Rights and a Civil Rights Act palani?
Duhhhhh!!!! 1866 ... 1868 ... old government.... new government ... can't even follow this simple topic?
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7th trump
Are you sure you want to debate me palani?
I don't debate the insane. I might be mistaken as one myself.
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7th trump
You are in way over your head grasshopper.
Keep studying your statutes and you will find that it is you that is in over his head!!!!
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And the battle rages: duck versus uberkitty versus palani. When the dust clears, there is only gold and silver.
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mamboni
When the dust clears, there is only gold and silver.
Neither of which is subject to OWNERSHIP in the communist plane.
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palani
Neither of which is subject to OWNERSHIP in the communist plane.
True. This could be a problem in the future. To paraphrase Richard Nixon: "We are all kulaks now!"
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No, the several states are not subdivisions of the federal government.
Iowa is not a subdivision, but the "state of Iowa" is.....two seperate jurisdictional planes.
Here....let the courts explain it to you. Hopefully being lost within the law will come to a minimum for you.
Keep in mind what I said about the Bill of Rights and the Civil Rights of 1866.
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We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it’s own...”United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)
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“...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)
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“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)
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"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383
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“The governments of the United States and of each state of the several states are distinct from one another. The rights of a citizen under one may be quite different from those which he has under the other”.
Colgate v. Harvey, 296 U.S. 404; 56 S.Ct. 252 (1935)
The several states are not subdivisions of the federal government palani.........the courts prove you wrong!
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“There is a difference between privileges and immunities belonging to the citizens of the United States as such, and those belonging to the citizens of each state as such”.
Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41 (1900)
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“The rights and privileges, and immunities which the fourteenth constitutional amendment and Rev. St. section 1979 [U.S. Comp. St. 1901, p. 1262], for its enforcement, were designated to protect, are such as belonging to citizens of the United States as such, and not as citizens of a state”.
Wadleigh v. Newhall 136 F. 941 (1905)
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“...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship”.
Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)
"US citizens" as defined by the 14th amendment are clearly different from the People.
It went right over your head, but did you catch that last one where the court recognized "natural rights" being inherent of state citizenship and not federal 14th citizenship (us citizen)?
Has a light bulb turned on yet?
Why do you think the 10th amendment is worded like this?
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
What was inherent to state citizenship again................natural rights!
Remember me telling you about the difference between the president and a governor?
Who really holds the power of the People?
The several states jurisdictional plane is where its all at palani.
Governors are called governor because thats who really governs.......not some government formed by the several states that deal with international law and treaties having a president that is restricted by the Constitution.
Your problem is your legal eyes are foggy to see the definitional line seperating the two jurisdictions.........its all about rights palani.
Now do you know why I told Ares in another thread to defend yourself from the IRS and to stop taxes being taken from your pay check you'll need to know what makes your earnings to transform into "wages"?
Like I say...you, palani, are lost in the law from following conspiracy internet nut jobs who are just as lost in the law as you are.
There is no shadow government or any other government as you beleive.
There are two classes of citizenship under one existing government.
The blind leading the blind is more appropriate in describing you palani.
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Did somebody say: "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"
Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver
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Uncle Salty
I agree.
But it amazes me how many are so ignorant to this reality. And even when confronted with it, will then deny it. Fucktards they are.
The vast majority of folk cannot understand inflation not do they percieve it as abnoxious until it rises to very high levels. This has been the case in countless societies. Lack of education in basic economics and money management aggravates the problem.
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7th trump
No, the several states are not subdivisions of the federal government.
Iowa is not a subdivision, but the "state of Iowa" is.....two seperate jurisdictional planes.
Cite please?
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7th trump
Here....let the courts explain it to you. Hopefully being lost within the law will come to a minimum for you.
Keep in mind what I said about the Bill of Rights and the Civil Rights of 1866.
The several states are not subdivisions of the federal government palani.........the courts prove you wrong!
Until the 'courts' are willing to grab a rifle to enforce their opinions then they really don't amount for much do they?
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7th trump
"US citizens" as defined by the 14th amendment are clearly different from the People.
It went right over your head, but did you catch that last one where the court recognized "natural rights" being inherent of state citizenship and not federal 14th citizenship (us citizen)?
A prairie dog has an inherent right to dig a burrow. That doesn't mean that a horse can come along with an inherent right to step in it and break a leg.
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7th trump
Has a light bulb turned on yet?
Why do you think the 10th amendment is worded like this?
Why do you think the word 'state' has been hijacked here http://www.scribd.com/doc/63526884/R...ome-Tax-at-281 [13 stat 306 located at the bottom of the page]?
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7th trump
What was inherent to state citizenship again................natural rights!
Except you have no state to derive natural rights from. You occupy a political subdivision of the federal government.
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Last man standing?.........silver and gold............and tp, of course.
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