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Horn, thanks for the feedback.
I did not intend to remove capitalism, nothing changes in that regard except usury is abolished, unless that is to what you are referring. The intent behind this all is for life to continue as is except for government and control systems, usury and holding prices to curtail greed.
Of course, there are all kinds of challenges but life is full of them. It is more a case of bringing the control to the people and for the nations prosperity to stay within the nation.
I don't want your system.
Can you describe Johnzo's system? Can anyone give a cliff notes version of this discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by osoab
We assume the worst, as we should, as we need to, but sometimes it's good to be objective.
@ Johnzo... Tough crowd here, get a backbone. I read partially through the PDF but skimmed, I just don't have time. Again get a backbone, newcommers are beat to shit here, if you are not a spammer put on your diapers and join in. What you brought up so far is worthy here.
I enjoyed the read. It's nice that you're thinking about a possibility of an upbeat, dare I say Utopian vision for the future. My cynical nature gets the better of me.
I'm wondering who gets to count all the online votes and who gets to be on the new non-governmental non-authoritative administrative committees? Oops! Sorry about using the words "governmental and authoritative."
Don't forget free trips to Guantanamo for any jewish osoab who will not comply, Johnzo...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by osoab
Would stall the drive for innovative investment and thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnzo
Technology needs to have a free market to drive it, you will lose on all fronts without a way of allowing an incentive for technology. Commodity consumables is a place that you could save alot of the usury aspects and also keep the prices of that innovative investment low or not greatly rising. Usury is eliminated by law easily anyway.
Most of our usury in fiat money and inflation issues today come from speculation in commodities, and the monopolized insurance game. Insurance was a racket started by the mafia, and you can see the results of it. What and how you are able to insure is a great issue anymore.
Cebu_4_2,
appreciate you think it's worthy!
As for backbone, yes I came to this forum of my own volition, no-one asked me here, however, I am not a salesman or politician it's just ideas for a new system that I am sharing.
I am not here to argue, debate or even defend it, it either resonates with people or it doesn't.
I don't think of it as 'mine' rather it is for everyone.
All I ask is that people read it (completely) before questioning me because it is written in such a manner as to answer most questions. This is a new way of thinking so to question me in the same mindset we have currently is pointless.
This is a framework for a new system and there are certainly challenges but this is where the people can step up and be counted, to propose new ideas that work for everyone. But as I said, if you don't read it fully then we will still be arguing back and forth this time next year.
If I said to you I could save or make you at least $5,000 per year you would likely take an hour and read it. If you are content with the way the world is heading (and I'm sure you know where that is) then don't bother reading it. The irony is this system with it's abolition of usury and eventual lower taxes will likely save or leave you with more money too, but again I am not trying to sell this, it just is what it is.
If people here or anywhere can offer a better solution or add to what I propose for constructive purposes then please do, I am just tired of the systems we have and I bothered to put together something I believe is a good start.
Rather than be cynical for cynical sake can we not try and be constructive and look for a better way ahead for us all, that is all I am saying.
(These comments are not directed at you Cebu, just a generalisation).
Horn,
good point, I did not address new technologies or any new products that come to market yet. My initial thoughts are not to interfere with anything new as it needs time to find it's place in the market. Demand will drive the price. This is not about holding back innovation rather we should encourage it in every way, same as rewarding enterprise, effort and ideas, these are paramount to our success and survival.
As for my saying that we hold prices it is only to 'train' us away from the accepted idea of inflation. Without having to pay interest inflation should be zero or minimal, but greed would likely be a factor. This is a different way of thinking entirely but when we have stable prices there should not be pressure to 'inflate'.
The Organic Economy is about getting back to who we are, sharing and caring as opposed to the dog eat dog world of greed and materialism which, as we can plainly see is a train wreck waiting to happen.
Johnzo, how do you plan to get everyone on board with your plan and how will you handle the ones who don't want to follow your plan?
Also, can you think of any others throughout history that had grand plans for a new society that didn't turn out so well?