So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma....

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Masonry is evil. My advice is to throw that book into the fire.

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I would say they are pretty fucked up and the top is evil.

The rest are what Pike and the top say, they have contempt for them deceiving them.

I wouldn't throw it away, apparently Pike has a lot of works people are not aware of.

Trying to understand what they are about is easy, they are about corruption of everything.

If someone is looking for a title let me know. Most likely I have it or can find it. Or give sources.

Scrib was good for all this but no more, they destroyed it as source.

We ain't alone in outing the freaks, gets taken down, army ready to re up.

THEY FEAR APOLLO'S LIGHT , PLATO'S LIGHT , TRUE LIGHT .

Like vampires, and yes folks, silver does kill them.

I will look into it.

dys

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This is modern garbage, what they do is corrupt him, there is even a book that they wrote saying this.

Masons and the Occult burrow from many to corrupt, symbols, history, etc, it's all mumbo jumbo,

Plato would shit on them, matter of fact he did, their kind.

Reason Vs Black Magic

You should have a close look at my post above.

You want references, will take some work.

The Blat Witch hates Plato and the Greeks,
calls them heathens, their language heathen,
as she goes on to use Greek language,
The Sophist, this alone is corruption by association.
There is nothing Theo or even Sophist about them.

Do people here believe in Justice, one word describes
our societies, and what the Occult stands against.

These images are even in physical metals that have not
changed much over the thousands of years.

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I know Theosophy is not popular here, and I am no Theosophist, but I can't knock their motto:

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That is not truth, you seem to be years behind on your reading and clueless on all this,
and that's coming from a friend of yours.

I have posted a lot on all this and you never bothered to counter what I post.

They believe in black magic and all sorts of other sick beliefs.

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They might believe in black magic and stuff but I don't.

I was just saying "THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH". I can't disagree with that statement, can you? I may disagree with Theosophy's notion of Truth, but I can't deny that there is no religion higher than REAL TRUTH.

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That symbol you have no problem with is a black magic symbol of power to the sick minded.

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That may be, but it doesn't mean a whole lot to me; I just liked the motto under it. Besides, the swastika is pretty much the oldest Indo-European (Aryan) symbol anyway.

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They play with numbers too and kill people using them.

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Not sure what you are referring to here...

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They corrupt history and attack important Western leaders, promote aliens,
one world government, promote nonsense and jibberish based on nothing
but their own fantasies.

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Yes, I'll admit they do that, and I DON'T SUPPORT THEM OR THEIR ACTIONS!

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That is their truth that you are for you are saying ?

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No, not at all. I seek Absolute Truth, not someone else's. I just agree with theosophists in that there are no religions higher than TRUTH.

TRUTH trumps everything.

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Masonry and " theo sophists " overlap and did so on gim as well promoting an agenda on there.

They are anti Western and can be accurately described as Oriental Depostism, their beliefs.

Total anti thesis to Western Ideas and Philosophy and through deceit work to destroy from within.

" by their works ye shall know them "

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Did you ever bother to read my accounts of confrontation with skyvike and goldisimma ?

It's very revealing.

You can't be Pro West and believe in this shit. They are not.

They seek to destroy White Western Christian European Man.

It's all Jew Bullshit. All of it, Pike one of the leaders.

Even on SF they get outed strongly, some of the best threads I have ever seen.

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They may seek to destroy White Western Christian European Man, but I don't. Although I'm not sure christianity has been the *best* influence on white european man...


I don't believe in what they (Theosophists) believe, but I do acknowledge the existence of something so vast and awesome so as to escape virtually all understanding by man, that which men have called "God". Some people call it "Nature" or "the laws of nature", but there is something that keeps the universe in existence, even if it's just the universe itself.

The sun pulls constantly at the earth, but the speed of the earth's orbit around the sun is perfect to keep it in a precise balance. There are innumerable examples of balance, harmony, beauty, etc, etc, in the universe. There is an order; a PLAN.


What do you believe, Magnes? You champion the cause of white western christian man, are you a christian?

By the way, Plato was an 'adept' of the mystery schools.

Friend, I am more open on what I believe than most on here, I have posted a lot.

This stuff drives me for a reason, please go to the links above and read them,
see how one of them plays out, it starts with questions, starts with another
nonsense post corrupting history and a key leader.

I don't care if I stand alone and sound like a loon, I told goldie that on here,
I told them that on gim, and I am saying that right now. But I know I am not
alone. People know the truth and this stench comes from gim, FRED got it too
before anyone.

That talisman is described by the blat witch as very powerful high black magic.
666 being crowned by the destroyers of nations. A corruption
again. You don't see that nor the parallels to something positive.

You go from Pike to "theosophist", fryer to fire.

I despise Pike and I despise the Blat witch, for good reasons,
when you read some of the Blat witch works, their works just
make more sense.

Human Achievement, Merit, Justice, Good Works, being mocked.

They even took shots are Charles the Great. And they want truth. lol

How many times have you seen me post something positive on the West
especially Charles the Great, it counters their lies and they hate him too,
that is what the West needs now, another Charles the Great, you claim
to be related to them.

They want us under their feet.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-...y-of-the-jews/

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By the way, Plato was an 'adept' of the mystery schools.

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You are lost in space, everything out in the open is what he was about.

Plato opened real schools and universities.

Not the garbage masons believe secret knowledge on how to corrupt.

Jews built shit, they destroyed the Library of Alexandria, this is the kind of
crap goldie was posting.

You talk about mystery schools from corruptors versions, fact is nobody
knows what they taught, and it was not good, anyone that tells you they
know is a liar, scholars don't know, experts don't know. Some were very
bad liky dionysium, some references.

I posted Plato's Cave above.

Unbelievable.

I agree with you, Magnes. The Theosophists and Masons are up to no good. I agree with you, and I don't support them.

All I was saying is that Morals & Dogma is an interesting book and I stand by that remark. It IS interesting. Spackled with goobledegook, but there are some nuggets of truth to some of it.


There is no religion higher than TRUTH.

I don't follow Theosophy, but dammit, there aren't any religions higher than TRUTH!

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By the way, Plato was an 'adept' of the mystery schools.

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You are lost in space, everything out in the open is what he was about.

Plato opened real schools and universities.

Jews built shit, they destroyed the Library of Alexandria, the authors of your knowledge on mystery schools.

Not the garbage masons believe secret knowledge on how to corrupt.

You talk about mystery schools from corruptors versions, fact is nobody
knows what they taught, and it was not good, anyone that tells you they
know is a liar, scholars don't know, experts don't know. Some were very
bad liky dionysium, some references.

I posted Plato's Cave above.

Unbelievable.

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I think I know what the original mystery schools were all about.


About anyone today could eat a few hits of good LSD or a handful of a particular species of mushroom and find out for himself.



(now, I'll admit I wasn't present in ancient Greece, but I know for a fact that psychedelics can teach some "mysteries")


By the way, I see Plato's cave allegory as being comparable to the mystery schools themselves, and the fact that many people would prefer to stay in the cave (which would be the "profane" in the mystery school lingo).

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By the way, Plato was an 'adept' of the mystery schools.

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You are lost in space, everything out in the open is what he was about.

Plato opened real schools and universities.

Jews built shit, they destroyed the Library of Alexandria, the authors of your knowledge on mystery schools.

Not the garbage masons believe secret knowledge on how to corrupt.

You talk about mystery schools from corruptors versions, fact is nobody
knows what they taught, and it was not good, anyone that tells you they
know is a liar, scholars don't know, experts don't know. Some were very
bad liky dionysium, some references.

I posted Plato's Cave above.

Unbelievable.

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I think I know what the original mystery schools were all about.


About anyone today could eat a few hits of good LSD or a handful of a particular species of mushroom and find out for himself.



(now, I'll admit I wasn't present in ancient Greece, but I know for a fact that psychedelics can teach some "mysteries")


By the way, I see Plato's cave allegory as being comparable to the mystery schools themselves, and the fact that many people would prefer to stay in the cave (which would be the "profane" in the mystery school lingo).

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I`m scared shitless of acid, had it slipped on me and had a horrible experience. I doubt that one can attain enlightenment thru any drug, unless previously pretty enlightened.

Unfortunately masonry relies on homosexual orgies in order to attain "enlightenment",good luck with that.

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yup, they aim to bring about their version of Plato's "Republic".

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Plato does not lay down the law on any society, as described by historians,
" plato concerns himself with justice and the moral state " .

One Prof asks, What does plato say or believe, nothing.

The process is the education. Thinking , questioning.


Even the Romans had a problem with this and " sophist " became semi dirty name.

Plato had a problem with the Iliad and Odyssey, questioned them, that is not Justice.

There are 3 societies Plato has up for discussion or 4, lol, from my count.

What Plato writes about is not possible, he destroys his own creation,
what he is doing, questioning would not be possible, as he promotes
questioning as key, being involved, not being an idiot, ie, apathetic,
without this evil overcomes the government. Plato states he himself
would be killed. He goes full circle, starts all this cause of Socrates.

People corrupt Plato and deceive people on his works, I just did 2 major
podcasts and look at my own copy of The Republic, not an easy work to
read, even NeoCons corrupt Plato, Strauss, make him a communist.

The Cave I posted above is The Matrix.

You are all Philosopher Kings, take your fellow man out of the Cave to see the light.

Apollo's light.

Do not be deceived by the puppet masters.

A historian on Plato, Philosophy PHD and University Prof,
" it will take you 3 or 4 reads with direction to begin to understand " .

It is hard to read and boring even, I would not recommend it as reading,
I did have a big thread on the Classics, I recommended picking up more
than one copy and reading the preface and intro of different authors,
translation, and time period, what do they highlight, that alone is a very
educational exercise, since then I have done more but my initial advice is
stands.

I posted Plato's Cave on here a few times, people don't know what I am posting it seems.

That is disappointing, considering one of the versions I found on gim by a member,
the cartoon stick one, that's funny and real at times, beat your buddy and drag him
out if you have too.

Who is the Philosopher King on this microcausm of society.

Gaillo is.

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I have always likened Plato's "Guardians" in the Republic to the Templar Knights, Masons, Illuminate, etc

"There is no religion higher than Truth"

This is one of those phrases that sounds wise but in reality doesn't mean anything. Religion is a set of beliefs - belief and truth are separate. By elevating belief to truth you are corrupting truth. Illumination through theosophy and the mystery religions is a fancy way of rationalizing this process. Selling it through symbols is similar to me to the way Madison Ave sells sex through advertising. We all have a desire, some larger than others, to know. Secret methods for unlocking reason is a big red flag for me. That is how the best deceit is accomplished.

The nature of man's learning and experiences over time have led to many new truths replacing the old truths. God is supposed to be the constant. Elevating worship of beliefs as "truths" over God is part of the corruption Blavatsky and other deceivers are attempting to achieve.

For example:

1200 AD - the world is flat. Truth.

2011 AD - the world is an oblate spheroids (ellipsoid). Truth

2500 AD - the world is a fractal construct emanating from a photonic core within the 17th dimension. Truth (or something like that :D)


The Allegory of the Cave synopsis (for those reading that are not familiar, or who have been misled on its meaning).


The point of Plato's Cave is that it is the responsibility of all to teach how to reason, that the ability for reason is within us all and to not to be told the "what is". This is how we become knowers. As I tried to illustrate above with what we have thought of as truth, Plato recognized there was more to the physical world than what we call reality. This is part of the point to the cave. On the whole, we do not know what we think we know.

Where people (mistakenly, IMO) attribute a secrecy or mystery school adherence to Plato is in his admiration for the Pythagoreans. I think that is a topic for another thread.

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"There is no religion higher than Truth"

This is one of those phrases that sounds wise but in reality doesn't mean anything. Religion is a set of beliefs - belief and truth are separate. By elevating belief to truth you are corrupting truth.

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Perhaps I view the sentence differently. I don't take it to mean that Truth itself is a "religion"; but that Truth is higher than ALL religions. I can't disagree with that. Absolute Truth may be unknowable in toto, but it is still about the "highest" "thing" there is, and no religion can truly touch it.

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Illumination through theosophy and the mystery religions is a fancy way of rationalizing this process. Selling it through symbols is similar to me to the way Madison Ave sells sex through advertising. We all have a desire, some larger than others, to know. Secret methods for unlocking reason is a big red flag for me. That is how the best deceit is accomplished.

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Yes, the secrecy is sketchy and dangerous, but some of the ideas aren't completely false.

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The nature of man's learning and experiences over time have led to many new truths replacing the old truths. God is supposed to be the constant. Elevating worship of beliefs as "truths" over God is part of the corruption Blavatsky and other deceivers are attempting to achieve.

For example:

1200 AD - the world is flat. Truth.

2011 AD - the world is an oblate spheroids (ellipsoid). Truth

2500 AD - the world is a fractal construct emanating from a photonic core within the 17th dimension. Truth (or something like that :D)

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Agreed. Which is why Absolute Truth is pretty much unknowable to man. But it still exists. The Truth is out there! LOL!

The "Truth" is what allows (or makes) everything to be the way it is.

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The Allegory of the Cave synopsis (for those reading that are not familiar, or who have been misled on its meaning).


The point of Plato's Cave is that it is the responsibility of all to teach how to reason, that the ability for reason is within us all and to not to be told the "what is". This is how we become knowers. As I tried to illustrate above with what we have thought of as truth, Plato recognized there was more to the physical world than what we call reality. This is part of the point to the cave. On the whole, we do not know what we think we know.

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Agreed.

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Where people (mistakenly, IMO) attribute a secrecy or mystery school adherence to Plato is in his admiration for the Pythagoreans. I think that is a topic for another thread.

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I'm a bit rusty on pythagoreans, and it's been years since I've read Plato... if you start a thread I'll check it out though.

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I'd like to make some general comments on Satanic deception.

First of all, deception in the form of a book is a tactic as opposed to a strategy. This is important in that the strategy has already worked once the individual picks up the book. Think chess...the opening was designed to get the victim to expose a certain piece or pieces to vulnerability. Once the piece is vulnerable, a tactic is employed to capture the piece. Thus, the book is aimed at the person that picked it up.
The tactic is to mix truth with lies. If you are a smart and moral person, the tactic will be to use MOSTLY truth. The lie is designed to get you just a little off track, one step the wrong way. Think gradualism, incremental change, mission creep. So I often hear things like:
"take what you want out of it and throw away the bad."
or
"the book contains a lot of truth."

Here is the problem- are you going to be able to discern what is true and what is the lie? Remember, the book was designed specifically for YOU! The inspiration to the book was supernatural. I have news for you, Satan is smarter than you are! I don't care how smart you are, Satanic books are snares and reading them is walking right into an ambush. I know what I'm talking about, because I've lived it.

dys

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I have always likened Plato's "Guardians" in the Republic to the Templar Knights, Masons, Illuminate, etc

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Low Pan , I think you and I are on the same side of the arguments above, what you posted here
is wrong, if you stated " the total opposite " it would be correct, I am no expert here but the general
brush strokes I know and am careful not to say things I don't know, I had to look this up to refresh
my memory even,

The Guardians, no property, no gold, no wealth, they are not allowed to attain anything,
the reason for this is you remove all motives for corruption, Plato is putting this out there
for discussion, just like his whole work, the process is the education, this is a hypothetical,
what if, then these Guardians would do the right thing, protect and govern society, and even
act as soldiers. The total and exact opposite of the occult and masons that work secretly to
corrupt society, if Rothchild and his minions were to be Guardians of Plato's society, they would
need to have all their wealth stripped of them, even still they would need to answer to crimes.
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/2g.htm

Even wikipedia does a good job explaining for now. Sounds like Masons to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republic_(Plato)
The Republic (Greek: Πολιτεία, Politeia) is a Socratic dialogue written by Plato sometime around 380 BC concerning the definition of justice and the order and character of the just city and the just man.[1] It is Plato’s best-known work and has proven to be one of the most intellectually and historically influential works of philosophy and political theory.[2][3] In it, Socrates along with various Athenians and foreigners discuss the meaning of justice and examine whether or not the just man is happier than the unjust man by proposing a city ruled by philosopher-kings. The participants also discuss the theory of forms, the immortality of the soul, and the roles of the philosopher and of poetry in society.[4]

Different profs in university treat these issues different but in general the same.
This is why my advice on studying is good, get different versions, different translation,
author, period, get one from 100 years ago, read the intro and preface and have a
look at what is highlighted, only then begin to read if you are interested, you can also
read sections, they stand on their own in some cases, you don't need to start from
part 1 etc.

Plato is a blood relative of Solon, this is important to understand, what Solon did.

The " theosophists" and masons do target plato, corrupt him, their total opposite,
you cannot separate Plato from the West and Western Philosophy and even Christianity.
The Occult knows what they are doing.

“The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it
consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.” Whitehead, referenced by quite a few scholars
on this for a reason. Plato was a product of the society he lived in, and it all started with
Hesiod and Hales ... a progression, and never ended to major European Philosophers and
Church Fathers.

The NeoCons tell a lot of truth , so what, Poddy writes a book full of truth, so what.

Last thing I am going to do is read and promote their books, I know how their deceptions work.

It's nothing new.

@ everyone above, the symbol is satanic, 666 is being crowned by the serpent,
different levels of corruption here, the Greeks and their ways are key targets, it
is all Jews behind all of this too, instead of crowning merit, victory, achievement,
the way crowning works, they crown the hex symbol with the serpent, this fits
with all the other ripoffs they do and crown, like the UN logo, the sacred oak of
Zeus the Justice giver being replaced by the serpent representing Satan, crowning
the " star of david ", these are not accidents, crowning black magic, they openly
talk of it being a " talisman " with black magic properties. They believe in the power
of a symbol which brings us back to the numbers they use for these reasons,
11 11 11, 9 11 , 13, 33, etc, and on and on.

Satan's truth, " you got your god's mixed up " Masonic Plot

Satanic Symbol
http://brianakira.files.wordpress.co...eal-green1.jpg

All masonry is Jewish.
http://i56.tinypic.com/a3l1ug.gif

A high level medal to the mason stooges.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2q222wk.jpg

In Greek, it says, " gnosis ", which translates to knowledge, from the masters of darkness and corruption.
Through this they even corrupt in other ways I have not even mentioned. The snake/serpent what it represented to Jews vs the society they targetted. The Serpent represents Satan.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2ps51tw.jpg

Overlapping stars of david, hex, 666, in the rosette.
Translation for code is, " for you ". Referring to Lucifer/Satan in death.
Code translation is easy, blocks online to decipher.

http://i53.tinypic.com/5kj40j.jpg

2 MAJOR CORRUPTIONS, CROWNING THEIR WORKS, 13, 33, 13, 33

http://i51.tinypic.com/2nm2nps.jpg

AN OPEN BAAL WORSHIPPER, Rothchild bitch, a big fan of Plato and Solon . ROFL !
http://i56.tinypic.com/t7h24p.jpg

Solon is my favorite Greek.

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Breaker of all debt contracts and destroyer of the mortgage stones, outlawing debt slavery,
creator of separation of powers, representation, creator of institutions encouraging citizen
participation, by law even, law courts, citizen jouries, trials, destroyer of the Oligarchy, the founding
fathers of the USA knew him and his works well, ... , he lives today, even John K quotes Solon in his
famous speech that got him killed, against secret societies.

JFK Blows The Whistle on Secret Societies!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA

Most interesting discussion gentlemen, I appreciate being able to read it and learn from all of your vast personal knowledge bases. Thank you all.

I've read the Bible. Doesn't mean I believe half of it. Interesting book none the less. Nothing wrong with expanding ones knowledge. Only the individual can decide what he chooses to believe in matters of "faith".

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I have always likened Plato's "Guardians" in the Republic to the Templar Knights, Masons, Illuminate, etc

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Low Pan , I think you and I are on the same side of the arguments above, what you posted here
is wrong, if you stated " the total opposite " it would be correct, I am no expert here but the general
brush strokes I know and am careful not to say things I don't know, I had to look this up to refresh
my memory even,

The Guardians, no property, no gold, no wealth, they are not allowed to attain anything,
the reason for this is you remove all motives for corruption, Plato is putting this out there
for discussion, just like his whole work, the process is the education, this is a hypothetical,
what if, then these Guardians would do the right thing, protect and govern society, and even
act as soldiers. The total and exact opposite of the occult and masons that work secretly to
corrupt society, if Rothchild and his minions were to be Guardians of Plato's society, they would
need to have all their wealth stripped of them, even still they would need to answer to crimes.
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/2g.htm

Even wikipedia does a good job explaining for now. Sounds like Masons to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republic_(Plato)
The Republic (Greek: Πολιτεία, Politeia) is a Socratic dialogue written by Plato sometime around 380 BC concerning the definition of justice and the order and character of the just city and the just man.[1] It is Plato’s best-known work and has proven to be one of the most intellectually and historically influential works of philosophy and political theory.[2][3] In it, Socrates along with various Athenians and foreigners discuss the meaning of justice and examine whether or not the just man is happier than the unjust man by proposing a city ruled by philosopher-kings. The participants also discuss the theory of forms, the immortality of the soul, and the roles of the philosopher and of poetry in society.[4]

Different profs in university treat these issues different but in general the same.
This is why my advice on studying is good, get different versions, different translation,
author, period, get one from 100 years ago, read the intro and preface and have a
look at what is highlighted, only then begin to read if you are interested, you can also
read sections, they stand on their own in some cases, you don't need to start from
part 1 etc.

Plato is a blood relative of Solon, this is important to understand, what Solon did.

The " theosophists" and masons do target plato, corrupt him, their total opposite,
you cannot separate Plato from the West and Western Philosophy and even Christianity.
The Occult knows what they are doing.

“The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it
consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.” Whitehead, referenced by quite a few scholars
on this for a reason. Plato was a product of the society he lived in, and it all started with
Hesiod and Hales ... a progression, and never ended to major European Philosophers and
Church Fathers.

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you are most certainly correct RE Plato's stance. H/e what I am inferring is that the Elite took his controls for ruling (i.e. telling the people what jobs they are to do, who to marry, when to mate, what is to be told in schools, what music is allowed, etc. to control not just the people but the population) and incorporated it on a grand scale (the known world was much smaller in Plato's time). The Elite would never rid the world of debt. They've known for too long that is how to truly enslave people. Make them all indentured servants. I honestly thought the Republic was Plato's bid at a coup and his conversation (in the guise of Socrates) was him feeling out the nobles to determine what side they would be on. Or it could have been his way of immortalizing Socrates after Socrates was put the death. Either way I believe Plato had an ulterior motive and that the Elite use the Republic as the base for their framework to rule the masses, in their own way.

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I have always likened Plato's "Guardians" in the Republic to the Templar Knights, Masons, Illuminate, etc

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Low Pan , I think you and I are on the same side of the arguments above, what you posted here
is wrong, if you stated " the total opposite " it would be correct, I am no expert here but the general brush strokes I know and am careful not to say things I don't know, I had to look this up to refresh my memory even,

The Guardians, no property, no gold, no wealth, they are not allowed to attain anything,
the reason for this is you remove all motives for corruption, Plato is putting this out there
for discussion, just like his whole work, the process is the education, this is a hypothetical,
what if, then these Guardians would do the right thing, protect and govern society, and even
act as soldiers. The total and exact opposite of the occult and masons that work secretly to
corrupt society, if Rothchild and his minions were to be Guardians of Plato's society, they would
need to have all their wealth stripped of them, even still they would need to answer to crimes.
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/2g.htm

Even wikipedia does a good job explaining for now. Sounds like Masons to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republic_(Plato)
The Republic (Greek: Πολιτεία, Politeia) is a Socratic dialogue written by Plato sometime around 380 BC concerning the definition of justice and the order and character of the just city and the just man.[1] It is Plato’s best-known work and has proven to be one of the most intellectually and historically influential works of philosophy and political theory.[2][3] In it, Socrates along with various Athenians and foreigners discuss the meaning of justice and examine whether or not the just man is happier than the unjust man by proposing a city ruled by philosopher-kings. The participants also discuss the theory of forms, the immortality of the soul, and the roles of the philosopher and of poetry in society.[4]

Different profs in university treat these issues different but in general the same.
This is why my advice on studying is good, get different versions, different translation,
author, period, get one from 100 years ago, read the intro and preface and have a
look at what is highlighted, only then begin to read if you are interested, you can also
read sections, they stand on their own in some cases, you don't need to start from
part 1 etc.

Plato is a blood relative of Solon, this is important to understand, what Solon did.

The " theosophists" and masons do target plato, corrupt him, their total opposite,
you cannot separate Plato from the West and Western Philosophy and even Christianity.
The Occult knows what they are doing.

“The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it
consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.” Whitehead, referenced by quite a few scholars
on this for a reason. Plato was a product of the society he lived in, and it all started with
Hesiod and Hales ... a progression, and never ended to major European Philosophers and
Church Fathers.

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you are most certainly correct RE Plato's stance. H/e what I am inferring is that the Elite took his controls for ruling (i.e. telling the people what jobs they are to do, who to marry, when to mate, what is to be told in schools, what music is allowed, etc. to control not just the people but the population) and incorporated it on a grand scale (the known world was much smaller in Plato's time). The Elite would never rid the world of debt. They've known for too long that is how to truly enslave people. Make them all indentured servants. I honestly thought the Republic was Plato's bid at a coup and his conversation (in the guise of Socrates) was him feeling out the nobles to determine what side they would be on. Or it could have been his way of immortalizing Socrates after Socrates was put the death. Either way I believe Plato had an ulterior motive and that the Elite use the Republic as the base for their framework to rule the masses, in their own way.

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Good points, some elite learn Classics, what works and what does not.

TPTB elite hate Plato, that is why he is corrupted deliberately, the very people this OP was
about, Pike "theosophy", etc, Plato is against elite control, like Solon his blood relative,
he is against the people that murdered Socrates for asking questions and getting people to think,
Socrates and Jesus have a lot in common, that is the setting to Plato's work, and the reasons for it.

Plato himself in these hypothetical worlds he constructs he destroys, he openly states it is
not possible, they would kill him , he and others like him, Socrates, going full circle could
not exist. Openness as opposed to occult hidden. The West vs Oriental Depotism, it is this thread.
Slaying tyrants was sport in the ancient world and a big part of everything we talked of above is part of Greek Mythology. Like these goddesses below. And their images are on PM's too.

Freedom, Justice, Peace, Good Order.

The Greeks were political animals, the very word politics comes from this,
they recognized man was a political animal, corrupt, and that
evil gravitated to power and control, and that you will never get rid of that ever, it is just a fact
of the world and nature, BUT, most are good, and just and you can educate them, they know the
answers, to do the right thing, and that they have to be involved in order to live in a just and
moral state, no involvement equals slow enslavement.

This is where the word, IDIOT comes from, " idiotes " in Greek, apathetic people are idiots,
not involved in the business of the city/state, they have no freedom and put their fate in
others hands, corrupt, Hesiod tells you where freedom comes from, it's base, and the
Founding Fathers of the USA totally ripped him off or maybe it is just a universal truth,
or both, lol, the Occult/Elite have gone after this base over and over, totally destroying
with rivers of blood and even creating dark ages.

Plato stands for Universal Western Truths that will never die so long as there is one
free man alive on the planet, total antithesis to Occult teachings, systems, beliefs and works.

And War and Peace are the same Goddess, No Justice, No Peace.

This is a threat to the corrupt puppet masters, posting this is like saying they should die.
We should kill them all. But people lost the meaning and think it is just some statue.
Plato would approve, and he would approve of physically stopping all conspirators.

Wielding Winged Victory, notice Winged Victory is ready to crown righteousness, the just,
to destroy the unjust, even those guilty of hubris, high public officials, these are not my
opinions, read Hesiod. The Occult uses the very same crowns to crown their works of evil.
Like the UN logo, like the " theo sophist " talisman using a serpent to crown 666.
All corruptions and levels of it.

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The elite may study what works and do the opposite, I believe Rabbi's play that role.
That is the only secret knowledge that exists and few at the top have it.
That is what the Frankfurt School is, the Fabian Society, Tavistock, and Jewish.
And exist for the sole purpose of corruption and destruction of the West.
Only to name a few.

Bump because Magnes has been trying to contort my words a little bit lately...


I stand by everything I posted in this thread, and in general.

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

Bump because Magnes has been trying to contort my words a little bit lately...


I stand by everything I posted in this thread, and in general.

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"déjà vu all over again"

;D


But seriously, I am still not a Mason, or member of any secret or occult organizations, or a jew, and I still stand by every word I've posted.

And if Magnes, (or anyone else) wants to have an actual *discussion*, then I would be more than happy to oblige them.

Wow, what a great thread full of TEACHING and DISCUSSION

Thanks for reminding me that we can learn without attacking one another.

My heart is inspired to redouble my efforts as well


Thanks for leading by example