Karma...

Kamma: Acts of intention resulting in becoming and birth

I must run, but while I was getting ready to head out the door, I wanted to share one more thought before I run.

I have noticed throughout my life that MEN are much much more better at releasing their ego than women are.
A million times better at it then women. I'm not bashing women ! I am a woman ! Let me explain....

This is a male dominant forum so I hope this helps the men understand themselves a little better.

Men are simple creatures. They really are. They generally take pride in their work & like to keep busy doing productive things,
generally don't care all that much how they look every second of the day and generally will help people everywhere. Even if you don't think you're that type of man,
generally men are. They don't expect much back in return except from their wife/girlfriend. They want love, support, friendship, partner etc.
If they have that, they're generally good .

However, since most women on this planet are ego centered & only think about ME ME and ME and what you can do for ME ME and ME,
the men tend to get hard & tough & get surrounded by stuff like this from their wife " Well if you do this for me or that for me, THEN I'll
do this or that for you "

The men get controlled and then end up living in a constant POWER STRUGGLE.

Women are the ones who cannot give up their ego.

Now look at the women on this board. Very, very few women here. These ladies are ALL VERY VERY UNIQUE & different.
They want no power here, they contribute their love & wisdom without expecting to be bowed down to.

Now on another gold silver forum (AHEM, clears throat for a second) I have seen some woman's EGO very STRONGLY.

So my point is, is that the ego thing is a learned negative behavior .

And once people just live in peace with themselves and get rid of their negative beliefs & behaviors then it is much much easier to do more to help mankind freely instead of wanting /expecting something back.

Look at children. My little one fills up her little red wagon with an over abundance of veggies from the garden & wheels it down the road passing out her goods to neighbors just for fun. She doesn't want anything in return. She forgot that she even did it the next day.

Expect nothing back ever. If you get a good feeling in your heart. That's not selfish or self-interest.
It's not a material thing. That is your gift, free.

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It follows that karma does not exist for two types of individuals: spiritless humans for whom it serves no purposes since any lessons they receive dissolve along with their consciousness upon death, and highly STS individuals who are on a negative evolutionary path and have no need for a corrective mechanism that teaches them to be ‘good.’ Thus the world is full of seemingly wicked people who never receive their comeuppance. Karma is not a moral thing, but an evolutionary catalyst for those who need it.

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Vacuum, this is very interesting. What are spiritless humans?
And also, what are highly STS individuals? I have no idea what STS refers to.

A spiritless human(color of man)?? would be a fictitious entity such as a corporation, no?
Or a man made creation such as an automaton or robot or machine or something?

I'm finding it difficult to understand how a man or woman imbued with life from birth can exist without spirit, since as I understand it, spirit is the origin of life, the general intent behind conscious Life.

In other words, a man who exists without spirit, going by my current interpretation, would be non living. Maybe these creatures are something like Doppelgangers, or the Dark matter equivalent of conscious life or something?

Anyway, the idea of spiritless humans sure gave me a WTF moment.

At the danger of possibly offending some people and getting in trouble, I'm going to throw these definitions out there. (I hope those who aren't interested in this subject aren't reading this thread....)

OHL:
Ego

An artificial intelligence in the soul and brain that helps a being operate more successfully within a particular environment. The environment programs the ego into the soul through the intellect. Beings like plants and lower animals who lack intellect also lack egos.

When the ego is an instrument of Spirit, it provides an individuality and personality through which Spirit can accomplish its purpose in the physical realm. In that case the ego takes a large part of its programming from Spirit, as it’s partially operating in a spiritual context and thus a spiritual internal environment.

When the ego breaks away from Spirit, or if Spirit is absent, then the ego becomes solely a product of the physical environment and picks up all the traits of physical living – survival and competition primarily. Then it starts exploiting others for the sake of self gain. Lying, deception, manipulation, delusion — these are the properties of ego if left unchecked by Spirit. Ego removed from Spirit is the foundation of the STS pathway.
But it is as much an error to annihilate the ego, because then one becomes ineffectual in this world, unable to carry out the mission of Spirit with discernment, vigor, togetherness, and focus. Rather, the ego must be conquered and reprogrammed, refined and sharpened, to act in accordance with the impulse of Spirit.

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Originally Posted by Santa

Vacuum, this is very interesting. What are spiritless humans?
And also, what are highly STS individuals? I have no idea what STS refers to.

A spiritless human(color of man)?? would be a fictitious entity such as a corporation, no?
Or a man made creation such as an automaton or robot or machine or something?

I'm finding it difficult to understand how a man or woman imbued with life from birth can exist without spirit, since as I understand it, spirit is the origin of life, the general intent behind conscious Life.

In other words, a man who exists without spirit, going by my current interpretation, would be non living. Maybe these creatures are something like Doppelgangers, or the Dark matter equivalent of conscious life or something?

Anyway, the idea of spiritless humans sure gave me a WTF moment.

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Here's a definition Santa:
The term denotes a person who has mind, body, and soul but lacks spirit. They are lacking the heart, crown, and third eye chakras since these are only uplinks to a spirit, which in their case is nonexistent. Therefore they are permanently incapable of experiencing genuine empathy or having sincere interest in anything outside material pursuits. They comprise the majority of psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists, and robotic background characters that pad the population.

And STS:
STS

Service to Self. A metaphysical orientation where one serves self by exploiting and manipulating others, reducing their freewill to increase one’s own. Overall this creates a freewill imbalance. STS systems are closed systems, meaning they have to take material and energy from one place to feed another. Thus survival and competition, overpowering the weak, violence, and manipulation arise.

The most basic manifestation of STS is having to take life in order to live. We are all STS in our current human state, due to our genetics and environment causing it to be so. However, we are not all evolving in the STS direction. To be STS in a basic sense, but be committed toward living according to STO principles, is the best we can do in our 3D state. By pursuing this sufficiently, we can transform into Fourth Density STO eventually. By doing the opposite and sufficiently pursuing STS, one can likewise graduate into 4D STS existence.

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

Enlightenment is a funny thing. But one need not permanently destroy their ego! That would be like having to physically throw away a television because you don't trust yourself not to watch it. Just realize who you are, or who I is, and all the illusions of the world (Maya) fall away.

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A game of chess, the ego placed in check, while the sum of the game goes about what is.

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Originally Posted by vacuum

At the danger of possibly offending some people and getting in trouble, I'm going to throw these definitions out there. (I hope those who aren't interested in this subject aren't reading this thread....)

OHL:
Ego

An artificial intelligence in the soul and brain that helps a being operate more successfully within a particular environment. The environment programs the ego into the soul through the intellect. Beings like plants and lower animals who lack intellect also lack egos.

When the ego is an instrument of Spirit, it provides an individuality and personality through which Spirit can accomplish its purpose in the physical realm. In that case the ego takes a large part of its programming from Spirit, as it’s partially operating in a spiritual context and thus a spiritual internal environment.

When the ego breaks away from Spirit, or if Spirit is absent, then the ego becomes solely a product of the physical environment and picks up all the traits of physical living – survival and competition primarily. Then it starts exploiting others for the sake of self gain. Lying, deception, manipulation, delusion — these are the properties of ego if left unchecked by Spirit. Ego removed from Spirit is the foundation of the STS pathway.
But it is as much an error to annihilate the ego, because then one becomes ineffectual in this world, unable to carry out the mission of Spirit with discernment, vigor, togetherness, and focus. Rather, the ego must be conquered and reprogrammed, refined and sharpened, to act in accordance with the impulse of Spirit.





Here's a definition Santa:
The term denotes a person who has mind, body, and soul but lacks spirit. They are lacking the heart, crown, and third eye chakras since these are only uplinks to a spirit, which in their case is nonexistent. Therefore they are permanently incapable of experiencing genuine empathy or having sincere interest in anything outside material pursuits. They comprise the majority of psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists, and robotic background characters that pad the population.

And STS:
STS

Service to Self. A metaphysical orientation where one serves self by exploiting and manipulating others, reducing their freewill to increase one’s own. Overall this creates a freewill imbalance. STS systems are closed systems, meaning they have to take material and energy from one place to feed another. Thus survival and competition, overpowering the weak, violence, and manipulation arise.

The most basic manifestation of STS is having to take life in order to live. We are all STS in our current human state, due to our genetics and environment causing it to be so. However, we are not all evolving in the STS direction. To be STS in a basic sense, but be committed toward living according to STO principles, is the best we can do in our 3D state. By pursuing this sufficiently, we can transform into Fourth Density STO eventually. By doing the opposite and sufficiently pursuing STS, one can likewise graduate into 4D STS existence.

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Is that a vacuum original? If so, consider me impressed.


I have always thought the ego was sort of a bad thing. When I think of ego, I think of a guy who cannot let another person pass him on the highway. (I actually know people like this.) I think of people who refuse to accept new information that could change their beliefs. The ego, to me, is greedy and closed minded. From your definition, it seems that what I have always thought of as the ego is one that is broken from the spirit.

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The term denotes a person who has mind, body, and soul but lacks spirit.

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To me you're describing "Lost souls," not souls that lack spirit,
but people who have forgotten they are the manifestation of spirit. They have become lost in the magnitude of life and
equate the sensation of being lost to that of being alone.

There is nothing more frightening in material existence to a
conscious soul than the certainty of being absolutely alone,
because it highlights the existential question, what then is the point of existence, but self?"

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Originally Posted by Joe King

How is it possible to make decisions outside of linear time? Any decision you make has to occur at a particular time. Then time moves on and you make another decision. How are they all not linear relative to each other?

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Imagine empty space, with nothing in it at all except two spheres. If a sphere moves, how can you tell which one moved?

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Originally Posted by k-os

Is that a vacuum original? If so, consider me impressed.


I have always thought the ego was sort of a bad thing. When I think of ego, I think of a guy who cannot let another person pass him on the highway. (I actually know people like this.) I think of people who refuse to accept new information that could change their beliefs. The ego, to me, is greedy and closed minded. From your definition, it seems that what I have always thought of as the ego is one that is broken from the spirit.

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No, I'm not the originator. I agree with those definitions though.

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Originally Posted by Santa

To me you're describing "Lost souls," not souls that lack spirit,
but people who have forgotten they are the manifestation of spirit. They have become lost in the magnitude of life and
equate the sensation of being lost to that of being alone.

There is nothing more frightening in material existence to a
conscious soul than the certainty of being absolutely alone,
because it highlights the existential question, what then is the point of existence, but self?"

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The "lost souls" you talk about, which have lost connection to the spirit, account for the vast majority of people with spirits (almost all of them). Reconnecting with the spirit is kind of like growing, but unlike your body and natural cognitive growth, nature doesn't do this automatically. It takes focused and sustained effort, and is what is known as being "born again" and other names.

People without spirits are different - they can't go down that path. Their purpose is to learn, as a group, from those who do have them. For those with spirits, their purpose is to provide resistance in life to provide an environment for development (because without resistance there can't be development).

Without connection to your spirit (vast majority), or if you don't have one, being alone is indeed the most scary thing possible. The reason for this is because, as mentioned above, you are mostly just artificial intelligence and require interaction with those around you to appear real. You reflect the emotions around you, etc. Once connection is made with the spirit, you have everything you need inside of you, and don't require anything else.

I've been reading this discussion with great interest, but haven't had anything to contribute until now. I guess I let the ideas "percolate" until all of this sort of "distilled out" and became evident to me:

In this collectivist/socialist/controlled society, we are taught from the time we are VERY young that it is BAD to be more than just superficially concerned with ourselves and our own needs. We are taught that altruism (living for the benefit of others) is the highest ideal to which a human being can aspire, and that "pride", "selfishness" and "ego" are negative things that should be avoided. As I stated in my previous post, this type of indoctrination is highly treasured by TPTB, they WANT a population stripped of their sense of self, because such a population is EASY to manipulate through guilt, appealing to "communal" instincts, and taking advantage of charitable urges.

I am an egoist. I am unashamed and proudly proclaim it... because I ALSO have quite a bit of pride. I see pride as a virtue (when earned through proper action, not fantasies of greatness) and something that builds a person up, not a vice. I have a very strong sense of who I am, what I have accomplished in my life, and what my values, needs, and strengths are. Does this mean that I'm the kind of guy who cuts people off on the highway, jumps ahead of everyone in lines, and would claw my way to the top of a bloody hill of corpses to sieze power and be worshipped? Of COURSE NOT! Those are the marks of a diseased mind, the actions of a SELF-AGGRANDIZING individual - someone who has increased their own sense of who they are beyond what has been established by the facts of their existence and actions. I think that due to this society's social programming, the actions and nature of this type of person is OFTEN confused with "ego", even though the connection is superficial. Ego is the sense of self, a person's concept of who and what they are. Nothing more, nothing less.

I like who I am. I am proud of the things I've accomplished in my life. This is NOT a bad thing. Now all the metaphysicists will pile in (as programmed to do...) and tell me how I'm an insignificant speck of dust in a vast whirling universe beyond comprehension, and that my existence is short and unmemorable in the "big" scheme of things, blah blah blah. I reply SO FUCKING WHAT? I'm not running for the position of God, I have no illusions about my existence and what it represents in the big scheme of things! I live a harmless life, I treat other people the way I would like to be (though rarely am...) treated myself. I've contributed SOMETHING to the lives of the people I've come across in this brief life, and created an existence for myself that is comfortable and interesting without using the expedients of fraud and coercion. In the "big picture" or "long run" or whatever you want to call it, isn't that the only thing that's truly worth striving for anyway?

Too much confusion of terms when people talk about these concepts... by deliberate design, I'm sure. :o

too many words. "fuck off and leave me alone," is what i use. but, i hear you. ;)

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Originally Posted by vacuum

Once connection is made with the spirit, you have everything you need inside of you, and don't require anything else.

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Confusion arrives at the being "made" part.

As its already there, no pilgrimage is required.

"We" are taught to avoid ourselves, and "be" pilgrims.

You don't know who you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7gvBW996A

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Originally Posted by Gaillo

Now all the metaphysicists will pile in (as programmed to do...) and tell me how I'm an insignificant speck of dust in a vast whirling universe beyond comprehension, and that my existence is short and unmemorable in the "big" scheme of things, blah blah blah. I reply SO FUCKING WHAT? I'm not running for the position of God, I have no illusions about my existence and what it represents in the big scheme of things!

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yeah... well... you started this thread...lol
;)

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Originally Posted by freespirit

yeah... well... you started this thread...lol
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;D

Nice! ;)

Iffen you state you know who you are, you are as far from freedom as possible.

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Originally Posted by Horn

Iffen you state you know who you are, you are as far from freedom as possible.

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Says "who"?

;D

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

Says "who"?

;D

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Ha!

First of all, my posts in this thread are an attempt to communicate the ineffable.

Don't get "trees" mixed up with those green things with branches that grow out of the earth. (That is an attempt, but since it uses words it still doesn't do justice)

The REAL WORLD (the Truth) is unspeakable.

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Originally Posted by Gaillo

I've been reading this discussion with great interest, but haven't had anything to contribute until now. I guess I let the ideas "percolate" until all of this sort of "distilled out" and became evident to me:

In this collectivist/socialist/controlled society, we are taught from the time we are VERY young that it is BAD to be more than just superficially concerned with ourselves and our own needs. We are taught that altruism (living for the benefit of others) is the highest ideal to which a human being can aspire, and that "pride", "selfishness" and "ego" are negative things that should be avoided. As I stated in my previous post, this type of indoctrination is highly treasured by TPTB, they WANT a population stripped of their sense of self, because such a population is EASY to manipulate through guilt, appealing to "communal" instincts, and taking advantage of charitable urges.

I am an egoist. I am unashamed and proudly proclaim it... because I ALSO have quite a bit of pride. I see pride as a virtue (when earned through proper action, not fantasies of greatness) and something that builds a person up, not a vice. I have a very strong sense of who I am, what I have accomplished in my life, and what my values, needs, and strengths are. Does this mean that I'm the kind of guy who cuts people off on the highway, jumps ahead of everyone in lines, and would claw my way to the top of a bloody hill of corpses to sieze power and be worshipped? Of COURSE NOT! Those are the marks of a diseased mind, the actions of a SELF-AGGRANDIZING individual - someone who has increased their own sense of who they are beyond what has been established by the facts of their existence and actions. I think that due to this society's social programming, the actions and nature of this type of person is OFTEN confused with "ego", even though the connection is superficial. Ego is the sense of self, a person's concept of who and what they are. Nothing more, nothing less.

I like who I am. I am proud of the things I've accomplished in my life. This is NOT a bad thing. Now all the metaphysicists will pile in (as programmed to do...) and tell me how I'm an insignificant speck of dust in a vast whirling universe beyond comprehension, and that my existence is short and unmemorable in the "big" scheme of things, blah blah blah. I reply SO FUCKING WHAT? I'm not running for the position of God, I have no illusions about my existence and what it represents in the big scheme of things! I live a harmless life, I treat other people the way I would like to be (though rarely am...) treated myself. I've contributed SOMETHING to the lives of the people I've come across in this brief life, and created an existence for myself that is comfortable and interesting without using the expedients of fraud and coercion. In the "big picture" or "long run" or whatever you want to call it, isn't that the only thing that's truly worth striving for anyway?

Too much confusion of terms when people talk about these concepts... by deliberate design, I'm sure. :o

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I hear you. Kali Yuga is a bitch! ;D

I see that TPTB preach altruism/socialism, and I am not an altruist or a socialist. Neither am I an egoist.

Not to wax philosophical, but there are no words for what "I" quintessentially am.

first chapter of Tao Te Ching:

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The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders

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I agree, words and languages are a problem, and this is coming from a guy who appreciates foreign languages.

I think part of the reason why I like languages, is so I can get a feel for the worldview and manner-of-thinking that is birthed by various types of languages, and thus "get beyond" it.

After learning a language, people generally *think* in language, which limits them, and causes confusion (the Tower of Babel comes to mind).

Western mind and Eastern mind is very different. The middle way is key. East and West meet exactly where you are. There is no 'time' but NOW, there is no 'space' but HERE.

Everything everywhere everywhen is a dream in the mind of God.

Sorry if this post is confusing - it was the words' fault! If words didn't exist everyone would know exactly what I mean.

Anyway, I wouldn't call you an insignificant grain of sand or whatever, more like the opposite. You are the entire *Cosmos*, experiencing itself, as centered on your being. What else could you be anyway?

*also called "the Universe", "God", "that which men have called God", "Ultimate Reality", "Truth" and countless other names in infinite incarnations and manifestations.*

The Universe is unfolding as it should.

In short, trust in God, but row away from the rocks!


Anybody having a hard time understanding what I'm talking about might do well to eat 5 grams or so of these and see if they don't have an "Aha!" moment (to some, it's an "Oh shit!" moment, lol):

https://psychesingularity.files.word...-mushrooms.jpg

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

Says "who"?

;D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjqHA8x1rOk

What a beautiful thing is a sunny day!The air is serene after a storm,The air is so fresh that it already feels like a celebration.What a beautiful thing is a sunny day! But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face! When night comes and the sun has gone down,I almost start feeling melancholy;I'd stay below your windowWhen night comes and the sun has gone down. But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face!

OK then... I've decided how to decide who gets the Silver Karma. The first person (who's posted in this thread) to PM me with their (postal) address will have an envelope of silver mailed to them tomorrow. Thanks to all of you for making this a much more interesting than expected thread! ;)

BTW, I'm making a 400 mile car trip tomorrow, so I'm not worried about "revealing" anything about my actual physical location, which only 4 of you on this forum know the general gist of anyway! ;D

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Originally Posted by Horn

Confusion arrives at the being "made" part.

As its already there, no pilgrimage is required.

"We" are taught to avoid ourselves, and "be" pilgrims.

You don't know who you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7gvBW996A

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I'm not sure what you're first sentence means, but you're right that it fundamentally comes down to what "I" means. Just like your body is made of many parts (systems, organs, cells) "you" are also made of many parts - the body and its parts, the ego and its parts (which are hundreds), non-physical bodies, and possibly a spirit.

Using descriptors to identify yourself "I am a basketball fan", "I am a smart person", "I know who I am and strongly believe in x, y, and z" gives you the illusion that you are one whole, self-consistent, individual.

The truth is, if you are nothing more than a scattered set of impulses than it doesn't really matter what you do. It doesn't matter if you're altruistic, or if you are a criminal. You can't make a difference in the world either way. It's only when you solidify inside and obtain a true Will that you and help others (or accomplish anything). The (truly) evil people in the world have developed a super strong and dominant ego, which is controls every impulse they have, and strives to consume everything around it. The "good" or "enlightened" people have connected to their spirit and it is that tiny spark which is able to control their actions.

Any talk of pilgrimages, altruism, or any other external focus as "the answer" is false.

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Originally Posted by Gaillo

OK then... I've decided how to decide who gets the Silver Karma. The first person (who's posted in this thread) to PM me with their (postal) address will have an envelope of silver mailed to them tomorrow. Thanks to all of you for making this a much more interesting than expected thread! ;)

BTW, I'm making a 400 mile car trip tomorrow, so I'm not worried about "revealing" anything about my actual physical location, which only 4 of you on this forum know the general gist of anyway! ;D

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Gaillo, John, Madfranks, you guys should be proud of yourselves, you have already given more than anyone.
Especially Gaillo. And everyone here benefited by the right thing being done by many working together.

I didn't want to ruin your thread so I dropped two posts, my first post is directly
related to both of the ones I dropped, I think you get it. I left the authors out,
Socrates, Aristotle, Mark Twain, cherry picked timeless quotes of truth,
Western, these forums are a microcosm of society, we lived those quotes.
First post I dropped was gim related, karma , she can be a real biatch,
second post was about Western Philosophy, these ideas are more developed,
this is not " eastern ", there are forces, they balance themselves out, self regulating,
and they have everything to do with doing the right thing and justice, freedom,
good order, peace, war, law, etc. The good outweighs the bad, society progresses,
these forums are proof of this as well, again, a microcosm of society.
This is Western Philosophy. You need people, leaders stepping up and doing
the right thing, that creates good " karma " for everyone.

I would like people to read my quotes again after reading this post.

This is a very interesting thread.

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Originally Posted by Horn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjqHA8x1rOk

What a beautiful thing is a sunny day!The air is serene after a storm,The air is so fresh that it already feels like a celebration.What a beautiful thing is a sunny day! But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face! When night comes and the sun has gone down,I almost start feeling melancholy;I'd stay below your windowWhen night comes and the sun has gone down. But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face!

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Just checkin'.

Never can be too careful.

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

You are the entire *Cosmos*

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Where did you learn to speak Greek, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.

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Originally Posted by MAGNES

Where did you learn to speak Greek, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.

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Are you saying you agree with his statement because it aligns with Greek tradition, and want to know where else he is getting the idea from?

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Originally Posted by vacuum

You can't make a difference in the world either way. It's only when you solidify inside and obtain a true Will that you and help others (or accomplish anything).

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No action is required to "solidify" in my estimation, only the relatedness on your own part will be enough of an example and "compel"-ation to help "make a difference".

Anything planned or sought, after relatedness, tends to end up in the land of click clack once again.

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Originally Posted by MAGNES

Where did you learn to speak Greek

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I can't speak greek; when I was a child, I tried to learn enough ancient greek to be able to better my understanding of the bible. I taught myself in my house and at the library. Same with ancient (gasp) hebrew. There is much more to the bible in the original tongues than the KJV, of course.

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, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

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False. I mentioned that ancient greeks liked to fuck little boys, and that that was gay and kinda puts a blemish on their otherwise agreeable existence.

I do not hold them in contempt. So it can't be "clear". I don't hate them at all.

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So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.

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Why don't you like to talk about Eleusis? What went on there went on for over 2000 years, and the same great men you glorify themselves spoke highly of it.

The ἐποπτεία of the Μυστήρια would know what I mean...

I did cite a source; for one, psilocybe cubensis mushrooms! Truth (in a metaphysical sense) is to be experienced, not written about. Words don't do certain things justice, no? Any decent book about Zen will tell you in the first pages that it isn't really a book about Zen.

My ideas don't come from any books or people - just direct experience with and without psychedelics (or better yet, entheogens) and logic. I appreciate buddhist teachings, but I do not follow Buddha or anyone else. Alan Watts was (and is, through his lectures available in audio) a pretty good entertainer type 'teacher' of Vedanta and buddhist thought for westerners. A friend of his, Suzuki Roshi was a Zen master, and a couple days ago I bought a book of anecdotes his students had put together. It is hilarious! I love Zen, but you can't really read or write about it. It's just Isness.

The Rig Veda, Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads, etc, written by the ancient aryans, contains more wisdom than many modern westerners would ever know. Sanskrit and greek, and english and german and scandinavian languages and latin and the romance languages all come from the same mother tongue.

The people who spoke that language would probably know what I mean.

If you give for the purpose of receiving, you won't receive.

If giving doesn't come from the heart, it's best you sell it.

[QUOTE=MAGNES;469725]Where did you learn to speak Greek, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.[/QUOTE]


Not sure where Gonzo's sources & references are coming from , Vacuum's are coming from Montalk

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OK then... I've decided how to decide who gets the Silver Karma. The first person (who's posted in this thread) to PM me with their (postal) address will have an envelope of silver mailed to them tomorrow. Thanks to all of you for making this a much more interesting than expected thread! ;)

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Says, who got the plata?

i know! i know! ;D

Bump for Magnes.

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Bump for Magnes.

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You are not a Western Man !

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Gonze,
Check your PM's.

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Don't trust the mods?

Oh oh... the typeface is growing bold.

The tension in the air is becoming palpable as Magnes the Greek squares off against Sir Gonzo of the Eleusian Forest. ;D

Magnes' western Euro-man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ

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You are not a Western Man !

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What the fuck ever. You don't know me! I've always been cool with you but damn! You are just ridiculous!

What makes you say I'm not a western man? I was born in Kentucky and I've traced my family back to England, Ireland, Germany, Scandinavia, France, and Italy. No jews did I find, and I searched my maternal line waaaaaay far back. I found one non-white: a cherokee on my father's side over 300 years ago.

Is it because I can read some hebrew? I'm learning sanskrit now, will that be a problem?

Je parle français, aussi. *Ça*, c'est une problème? Pourquoi pas? Mon français est mieux que mon hébreu!

Just chill Magnes. I'm white. Get over it.

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Don't trust the mods?

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Hahaha! Oh my god! That's a JOKE! It's just encouraging encryption. I'll take it down for you, buddy.

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Oh oh... the typeface is growing bold.

The tension in the air is becoming palpable as Magnes the Greek squares off against Sir Gonzo of the Eleusian Forest. ;D

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LOL! :D

All I was wondering is why Magnes, champion of western man and all things greek, would simply IGNORE the 2000+ years of HISTORY of the Eleusinian Mysteries.

What's stopping you from discussing it, Magnes? I'd seriously like to discuss it with you.

And if you quit all your bullshit about me not being white or whatever other delusions of me you might have, we can be friends again. We helped build this place together and now you're trying to run me out!

Not everyone is a jew troll, Magnes. I'm not exactly a fan of jews, as my posts may indicate, but because I know a liiittle hebrew I must be as evil as a Rothschild, right? lol

If you just apologize, we can put it all behind us. You can even do it in PM and no one will know. Your 'honor' will remain intact.

And dammit, let's talk about Eleusis!

...ok, where's my popcorn?