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last I checked there were PDFs of Behold a Pale Horse around,
Thread: Bill Cooper's "Behold A Pale Horse" PDF
Annunaki, doesn't that sound familiar? Annakin Skywalker, aka Darth Vadar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink
Lots of other pop culture references to this stuff. I would say 'open your eyes', but that's a mind control term. Check out Fritz Springmeier, incidentally.
dys
Would you mind posting a starting point? Book of Enoch?Quote:
Originally Posted by dys
Edit: You already posted...Thanks!
(sorry spelling in a rush)Quote:
Originally Posted by undgrd
I would always recommend the bible as a starting point. There are quite a few quotes in the book that I believe are important. After that, it's a crapshoot. The only guy that I can recommend in good concious is William Cooper. Read his book, watch his speeches, and listen to his old radio programs. Most of them are available for free. After that, it's a crapshoot.
Book of Enoch is probably ok. Book of Jubilees might be ok. Most everybody else out there is probably not ok. The following people are probably NOT ok:
Bill Schnoeblen
Jim Marrs
Zacharia Stichkin
David Icke
Chuck Missler
Michael Tsarion
Like I said earlier, it is really difficult to find information that can be trusted when it comes to this issue. Harder than any other issue in my experience. Maybe someday, I will tell my story. Right now, I'm too afraid to and I don't necessarily think many people would benefit from it or even believe it. All of those guys I mentioned probably tell a little bit (or a lot bit in some cases) of truth, mixed with lies. I've seen ministries and websites that I believe had good intentions become overrun with wolves. I've seen just about everything. Just fair warning.
Here are some phrases and issues to check out if anyone is so inclined:
nephilim
rephaim
fallen angels vs. demons
greys
reptiles
insectoids
nordics
underground bases dulce NM
alien abduction
cattle mutilation
Alistair Crowley
Just these issues will lead you down into a million mini rabbit holes. If anyone should find themselves under spiritual attack, consider stopping what you are doing. If you insist on continuing and you ever need help, stay as far away from anything or anyone associated with spiritual warfare as humanly possible.
dys
Matthew 24:37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Who is the they Jesus was talking about?
dys
The "they" you are wanting to know is "man" and the "fallen angels".Quote:
Originally Posted by dys
God found that Noah and his family were the few left who hadnt mixed with the angels or mixed with the already mixed.
Noah, being of the few who hadnt mixed, was chosen by God as he was a man of up righteousness who sought Gods word therefore God finding favor with Noah and was chosen to build the Ark.
The sin went for generations and filled the earth until the day of the flood.
Regarding demons and forgiveness:
Any typos are mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Euteneuer in Exorcism and the Church Militant
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Originally Posted by dys
I disagree with 7th on this.
When the Lord said "they", I believe it is in the context of living in sin and indulging the flesh, and ignoring God's directions and the Covenant.
They were basically partying hard and ignoring all Godly warnings, right up until the flood, when the Lord wiped them off the face of the earth. Same applies today. We are trapped in the world that the "Prince of this world" (satan) is corrupting, partying hard and ignoring the Lord, and this will continue until He comes again.
I'm not going to call bullshit on the fallen angels race mixing, becuase I have never really looked into it or given it any consideration in the past, however as I stand right now, I am skeptical of the whole concept.
As far as "Who is the 'they' that Jesus was talking about", it is all of us.
My friend, I'll tell you the truth. I am just not sure. But I am almost positive that the UFO phenomenon and everything associated with it is demonic. One day, hopefully I'll be able to connect the dots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke
dys
In the end, we will all know the absolutes of everything. In the mean time, it is important to strive to live as God has directed us, without allowing the interferance of the infiltrators to lead us astray.
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Originally Posted by dys
one thing that strikes me is, how similar Luke 1-26-38 is to many accounts of UFO 'contact experiences'.
"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, [thou that art] highly favoured, the Lord [is] with thee: blessed [art] thou among women.
29 And when she saw [him], she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her."
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-Chapter-1/
I don't consider angellic encounters to be synonymous with UFO or alien encounters. Aliens are flesh (If they are indeed real) where angels are without flesh.
Perhaps the phrase "fallen angel" refers to those which lost their spirit essence and have become entrained in the flesh. It would be like gravity taking hold of them and pulling them into the realm of physical laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke
On the question of demonic repentence, there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood. There has to be a perfect sacrifice of the same blood. You cannot have goat blood save a man. And, you cannot have man's blood save an angel. The Messiah took on the form of man.
Yes. Christ was God made man. His blood redeems us.
Demons are spirit beings, no different from angels, with the exeption of their alignment to evil and apostasy from the Lord who created them. Demons are not physical. They have no fleshy body. That is the pupose of possession and why they yearn for it.
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Originally Posted by Awoke
Just guessing here as I have no definitive proof... but it may be possible for the spirit entities to take on physical form at will. Consider this:
Heb 13:2 Do not forget hospitality, for by this some unknowingly took in angels as guests.
But it may also require energy to maintain that state.
There may be a difference between fallen angels and demons. One demonologist thinks demons are discarnate human souls hungry to rejoin flesh. These are evil souls, selfish in their lust for flesh. Fallen angels, however, may despise the flesh. To them it is weakness and restricting.
The fallen angels AND the demons are ALWAYS looking for a HOST. (me, you, all/any of us !! ) Always remember that.
Here are 8 very powerful verses from the Bible, all showing us that we are not to be afraid of demons, and that we are to directly engage with them if we have to, operating under God’s authority and anointing to be able to do so.
1.And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe. In my name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover.” (Mark 16:15-18
2.“Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee … the Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor, He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” (Luke 4:14-18
3.“Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” (Luke 10:19)
4.“Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.” (Luke 9:1)
5.“And He called the twelve to Him, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits … And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them.” (Mark 6:7,13)
6.“And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.” (Matthew 10:1)
7.“But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:6-8
8.“For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8
Dys, that's pretty redundant there. That's like saying if you're in a drowning situation and you need help then stay as far away from the water as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dys
How is running as far away as possible going to help you when the dark entity (that is in or around you) can follow you as easy as pie and continue to practically kill you a little more each & every day.
God has given you the tools & rules to use & follow , heed them & you won't be running scared shitless if you're spiritually protected each & every day from the spiritual warfare that is occurring 24/7 ...365 .
Fight them off first to get them out of you/ away from you THEN run like hell but if you don't fight them off first then you just invited them in by running !
What's wrong with Chuck Missler? I've listened and studied along with his teachings on the nephilim and I've found them to be quite in tune with the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dys
I'm totally positive that the UFO phenomenon is demonic in nature. I don't want to derail the thread, but there's a somewhat prominent luciferian out there named Aaron Donahue who remote viewed what he called the 72 goetic demon kings, and then drew crude pictures of what they looked like, and many of them looked like what we call "aliens".Quote:
Originally Posted by dys
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id260.html
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id286.html
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themin...hue/id255.html
I think a better description of angels would be to call them "spirit men", because they do indeed have fleshly bodies. Read Genesis chapter 18 when the angles of the Lord came to visit Abraham and they were offered to rest, wash their feet and enjoy a meal and drink with Abraham. And as mentioned above, many of us have entertained angles unaware. Jesus in his resurrected body was of flesh and bone, yet he was able to "disappear" like the angels. I personally believe that Jesus and the angels are simply not limited to the three spatial dimensions that we humans are limited to. But that is a discussion for another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke
Ask yourself what happened to the spirits of the nephalim after they died? They were not angels, they were the unholy offspring of angels and humans. So where do their spirits go when they die? I think the demons prominently displayed in the NT are the spirits of the Nephilim, and the reason they yearn for bodies is because their bodies are dead, unlike the angels who don't die and lose their bodies.
The Nephalim Agenda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2MWVxdDpgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Cc2...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEfEe...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roQ2-...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxctS...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAA1v...eature=related
Yes. All good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks
This verse stuck with me....
Mat 12:43 But when the unclean spirit goes from a man, he goes through dry places seeking rest and does not find it.
Mat 12:44 Then he says, I will return to my house from which I came out. And coming, he finds it standing empty, swept and decorated.
Mat 12:45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more evil than himself, and entering dwells there. And the last things of that man become worse than the first. So it will be also to this evil generation.
With God, all things are possible. I believe that on occasion, when it suits God's purpose, He may allow some of His angels to take on a fleshy body, but I don't think the angels "have a fleshy body" and I don't think that angels can manifest in the flesh, unless the Lord gives them power to do so through his will.
In those cases, I believe them to be "on a specific mission" so to speak.
Following that same train of thought, I don't think demons can manifest or appear in flesh, because it is not in their power to do so by their own means or devices, and because God will not help them in any of their purposes.
So I am not taking a hard line and saying "They are not, never have been, and never will be" flesh. I am just saying that I don't think it's in their power to do so, without the direct machinations of God himself.
Go to God, not men. That is what I'm saying. The men in the 'spiritual warfare' community are for the most part very dangerous people. I made the mistake of getting involved with some of them and I'm hoping other people can learn from my mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Herb Lady
dys
Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke
If demons don't manifest in the flesh then who are the illuminati ?
They are now beasts who have allowed demons to take over their bodies/flesh and turn against God.
Demons do have the power once the person in the flesh allows them /invites them in.
The nephilim are likely the beasts running the governments. Here is an interesting read. Shaggy dog tale or truth?
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/0...ings-ive-done/
WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: You Don’t Ever Wanna Do The Things I’ve Done…
by Ulsterman on January 18, 2012 with 96 Comments in News
UM: …Just start as you did before – before you decided to not include it in that previous interview.
Insider: I had a good reason for that…still not sure we want to go there. What’s done is done and all I got are thoughts. Suggestions. Bad feelings.
UM: That’s fine – the story has worth.
Insider: Another drink then…and another story for your…for whatever you think it might…
UM: Go ahead. The convention. Denver. 2008.
Insider: Yeah…yes-yes-yes. Yes we fu–ing can. Hope. Change. All bullsh-t…
So let me…let me put it – I’ll start if off like this…
There’s a fella…he’s West Coast…I’m East Coast. Great guy. Hell of a nice guy. Smart. Real sharp.
UM: You’re both – you both do the same thing? Within the Democratic Party?
Insider: Yeah – that’s right. I’ve been at it longer. I’m older…but he’s good. Connected. Well regarded. Funny son-of-a-bitch. Well liked…that’s not easy to do…with what we do…being well liked. I got…plenty…plenty of people don’t care much for me. Comes with the-the job. What it…sometimes what we are required to do.
You know…you know I destroyed a man’s career for the good of the party? That’s what they told me. For the good…they wouldn’t listen to reason. So drop the goods. Get it to that faggot at the Times. Wife. Kids. Shit…that’s all…that’s—
UM: (interrupts) I need you to focus on Denver…the convention…your friend. Focus…
(Pause)
Insider: (smiles) Yeah…my friend. Maybe a friendly acquaintance…he was everybody’s friend though. Even our Republican counterparts liked the guy. Respected him. We didn’t see each other all that much…but there were emails. A phone call here and there. He was a primary contact for the campaign out there…California, had some good people working with us in Nevada. Dealing with the union f-cks out there. J-sus did they screw Hillary on that. I’ve seen some dirty sh-t go down…but that was…they stole it. Bribed it. And she has to know. Has to know…
UM: The convention. Go back to that.
Insider: Ok – yeah…the fu–ing convention…
I’m gonna go there and then jump back…then bring it back…that’s how it went for me. That’s how I started to put it together…what…what left me – what got me worried. Thinkin’ they might of…that something very-very bad went down.
The Denver convention. Big success, right? Barack Obama…the media…just another easy campaign success for us. Everyone falling over themselves to say how brilliant…how fu–ing brilliant Obama was.
UM: You weren’t there.
Insider: No…they had me…I was back east. I watched it on the television like everyone else.
UM: But your friend was there. From the West Coast…the other operative.
Insider: Oh yeah…he was there. He was helping organize it all. That’s how he got so close…closer than I had ever been to Obama up to then.
UM: And he didn’t think of the convention as a success? Is that right?
Insider: No, that’s not right. Everyone knew the convention was a success. Can’t deny that…what a show, right?
…it’s what he saw behind the…behind the scenes.
UM: From the president?
Insider: He wasn’t the f–cking president yet. He was still just a do-nothin’ Senator bought and paid for by those Chicago boys.
UM: Explain what your friend saw – “behind the scenes” as you put it.
Insider: Oh…what he saw – what he saw…yes indeed. What he saw was sh-t that didn’t feel right. What he saw was…was a guy who came in draggin’ and a guy who left bouncin’ off the f-cking walls. What he saw…what he heard was a godd-mn…dammit…I’m forgettin’ how he told it. The term he used…
UM: The chant?
Insider: Yeah – the chant…but he used a term for it and I can’t…it was a word…ah, dammit to hell…
UM: How about you go back to the coming in dragging part…explain that a bit more.
Insider: Not much to explain…Obama comes in…he’s been there already right. Several practice runs…fired up the teleprompter, going over the stage marks…all the typical sh-t. When he’s out practicing…the family is all there, right? But when he’s in the back area…no family. They are…they are in different areas. My friend – he thought that was a bit odd.
UM: The president – Barack Obama…he appeared fine during the rehearsals?
Insider: Sure-sure…he wasn’t close to Obama at that point – but he could see him from a distance…could hear him. He sounded…looked like the candidate on television. The interviews. Smooth. Confident. Charismatic.
UM: But then?
Insider: But…then…later in the back area. Like a meet n greet area…and an adjoining room. Private. Closed off. So my friend is back there…some others too – they are hoping to catch the candidate coming in. You know…everybody wants to shake his hand. All that sh-t.
UM: And Obama comes in.
Insider: Yeah – like I said…draggin’. He’s…he looks wiped. Wiped out. His color is all off. His eyes…he barely…my friend says…my friend SAID…he looked right through them. Like his eyes couldn’t focus enough to see them…and a big fella…Black guy…he was…it looked like he was holding Obama up. Making their way to the-the room…the private area.
UM: Did everyone notice Obama’s condition?
Insider: I don’t know – my friend didn’t say anything about that…but he sure as hell noticed. He thought maybe Obama had gotten sick…it’s not uncommon on the campaign trail. You eat some sh-t food sometimes.
…so Obama is holed up in this room. People are kinda mingling about I guess…maybe ten, fifteen minutes go by. Then a couple folks march on in – that’s how he put it to me…they marched on in…very purposeful. One looked like Secret Service…the other was a woman. Didn’t get too specific. Wish he would have but he didn’t. The woman goes in – the other fella…he stays outside the door. She’s in there for maybe another five minutes…she comes back out and tells ‘em to clear the hall. Clear out. Says they need about ten minutes to prepare.
UM: Prepare?
Insider: That’s what he told me – she said they needed a little time to prepare.
UM: For what?
Insider: Hell if I know.
UM: So did he clear out with the others? Your friend?
Insider: No…he goes up to the guy outside the door…outside the room Obama, the big fella, and the woman are in. He’s just concerned…wants to know if he can help in any way. You know, maybe go get something for a bad stomach?
…But the guy outside the door – he ain’t messin’. It’s all business. Serious. He pushes my friend right on the chest – hard…tells him to step away and to clear the hall. And that’s where…that’s when he hears the chanting. The…he said it sounded like…like a…Gregory chant. That’s the term he used. A Gregory chant.
UM: Gregorian?
Insider: Eh? Greg…yeah…Gregorian.
UM: Was your friend Catholic?
Insider: Catholic…I…I don’t know. But that was the term there…Gregorian. It sounded like a Gregorian chant coming from the room…the room Obama was holed up inside.
UM: Could they have been praying? Singing?
Insider: Maybe..but…this group…the Obamas…prayin’ has never seemed like their thing. The team…they had a bunch of religion jokes you know. Even by then it seemed clear to most of us…like I just told you – Obama is an atheist. Now I’ve developed that little line of reason…0f reasoning later – down the road…but we all figured it then too.
UM: And his wife – Michelle…no sign of her?
Insider: I don’t think so…like he told me…they were never together except on that stage. No wife. No kids. Not until it was showtime apparently.
UM: So what then? Your friend is stopped outside the door and he hears…he hears what is described as chanting…is he the only one around at this point?
Insider: Don’t know that – he didn’t say.
He cleared out – like they told him.
UM: Does he mention this to anyone else there?
Insider: Then? I don’t know…he would mention it later though. I do know that. He told it to some others…that’s a big part of this…where this story…where this is headed. It’s where he f-cked up. It’s where…it’s…(trails off)
UM: That’s not it…tell about when he sees Obama come out of the room again.
Insider: Yeah…it’s maybe 20 or 30 minutes later…he makes his way back into the hall…there’s already a bunch of people there. Somehow the message went out to come back in…I don’t know. So they’re all mingling…the mood is great. Nothing being said about Obama being sick, or acting strange…nothing.
UM: But your friend is still wondering…concerned?
Insider: Oh yeah…that seems natural, right? The guy who is gonna accept the nomination on national television…the guy who is probably gonna be the next President of the United States…he is carried into a room not more than an hour ago? Hell yes you would think he would be wondering what the f-ck is up with that.
UM: But nobody else was concerned?
Insider: I told you – I DON”T KNOW THAT.
UM: Right then…go ahead. Keep going…
Insider: So…you got about…there’s a ton a people now waiting to see the…to see Obama make his way out into the hall. The ceremony is firing up…you can hear the enormous crowd in the stadium…whatever worries there might have been…people mighta just forgot them. Easy to do in that kind of environment. It’s a f-cking rock concert you know. A convention…that last night…the build up…an amazing thing. Like a drug those moments. You get a taste of it…you want more.
UM: So Obama comes back out – he leaves that room.
Insider: Michelle Obama comes out first.
UM: She does? But she never went in…
Insider: Obviously she went in at some point…just…my friend didn’t see that. He wasn’t around. Just…just shut up and let me do this…get through this. Keep your mouth shut for a bit…
…Obama’s wife comes out, there’s another woman carrying a bag thing. That would be makeup. Pretty sure of that. She was always…the amount of cover that Obama wears…I told you about that before right? Cakes that sh-t on. 24/7. It’s why his color seems to change so much…different brand, or product…something like that.
So they come out…the First Lady – soon to be…Michelle…she just walks on by. Not a word to anyone. She’s got a secret service guy who is alongside her. Out she goes and not a word. My friend notices somebody puts their hand on her – trying to say high or something…it’s harmless…but the Secret Service fella, he is right there to intervene. Pushes this other woman…she gets pushed back and the…Obama’s wife…she just keeps on walking. No smile – nothin’.
Another five minutes or so and out comes Obama and a few others – the big fella from earlier, the woman who went in after them, and now there appears to be a couple of Secret Service alongside them.
UM: Was that woman Jarrett?
Insider: Told you – don’t know. He…my friend – he didn’t say…
…so out of that room they come. Everybody is excited…including Barack Obama. It’s like…it’s like one man went into that room and another one came out. An entirely different man walked out of that room than went in. That is how…that’s how he told it to me. A different man walked out. The change…that…the transformation was stunning. He seemed taller. His eyes were…there was an energy to him. Powerful. He was smiling and joking, shaking hands, talking real fast…the suit – the one you see on television…every detail was perfect. Everybody was rushing to shake his hand, tell them they loved him…but my friend…he was shaken up. It was too damn weird, right? What the hell happened in that room? How could one man walk in and another man walk out? We’re talking two extremes here…Obama was just about carried into that room…and he comes out…he’s bouncing off the f-cking walls.
UM: Did your friend get close…up close to Obama at that time?
Insider: Oh yeah…got the handshake. Looked right up at him. And Obama…he looked right down…looked right down and through him.
UM: Through him?
Insider: Yeah boy…right the f-ck through him. He didn’t recognize…my friend…he had been introduced to Obama not more than a day before. He was helping organize the whole fu–ing event there in Denver. He spoke to the president…to the nominee…probably for about ten minutes. And there was nothing odd at that time…Obama seemed like what everybody saw in public. Not what my friend saw go into that room…or what he saw come out of that room. And Barack Obama – my friend was very…he made a point of emphasis there – Barack Obama did not recognize him in the hall. Not a clue. He smiled down at him, shook his hand…kept repeating thank you over and over again…and his eyes were always blinking. Fast.
UM: Blinking…his eyes were…blinking?
Insider: Yeah…like f-cking shutters. Blinking. Over and over again. My friend watched him as we he made his way to the side stage…his eyes were blinking over and over again.
UM: Drugs? Amphetamines?
Insider: I told you before what I know on that…the…his depression…or something along those lines…that was leaking out from the White House after he got in there…so maybe. Maybe somethin’ like that.
But that ain’t the meat of this thing…the…that’s not…I don’t give a f-ck if there were drugs or what involved before he gave that speech in Denver. What I care about…what-what…where this gets…where this leads us here is how people start gettin’ messed up who mighta seen whatever happened in that room before that speech…
…My friend…I heard later he had shared what he saw here and there. I’m guessing that sharing…my gut tells me somebody wanted him to shut the f-ck up about it.
UM: Explain why you have that feeling. Just…put it out there. You’ve gone too far not to finish it.
Insider: I don’t…you don’t…you still don’t have…you’re too bold sometimes and that scares the hell outta me.
UM: This friend you’re talking about – you said they are…they were – younger than you? Quite a bit younger?
Insider: Yeah…younger…young enough anyway.
UM: Enough?
(Long pause)
Insider: Young enough that when they are found dead at home with no sign of…of…of foul play…when the cause is put down as “natural causes”…
…when – I mean natural causes? Really? Just like that? Natural f-cking causes? A guy…he’s in relatively good health…not so bad anyways…he is found dead alone at home…been dead for weeks…natural causes? All neat and tidy like that huh?
Guy in his 50′s…natural causes. Just drifts off of natural causes? Well f-ck you no. Now that just don’t sit right with this here boy.
UM: And no investigation, right? Nothing.
Insider: That’s right – nothing. I get the news…stunned. Pissed. Suspicious. Worried. Sh-t, I had everything running through my mind the moment I got word. The timing…everything pointed to something not being right? Something serious was…it was all…things were not right.
UM: So no specific cause of death?
Insider: No investigation…coroner…the only word on that I heard back was no investigation. Nothing. Was it a heart attack? Some said it appeared that way…but nothing official on that. NOTHING. It just…they found him dead, he was gone…that was it. DONE. A guy in his 50s just up and dies and that’s it? No way.
UM: And then the other stuff you tied together…I haven’t heard that from you yet. Go ahead…tell that now. It should be a part of this.
Insider: You really think so? You really…none of this sh-t scares you?
UM: Yeah…it scares me. If your instinct on this is right…yeah, very much so.
Insider: You doubt what…what I’m sayin’ here? You don’t believe it?
UM: Not at all but you said yourself…this is…this is a feeling you have. Nothing specific. At least nothing you’ve told me yet.
Insider: Oh…oh…the kid wants specifics…that it? So easy to ask for…but then…but then what then?
UM: What?
Insider: You heard me – what then? What’s knowing gonna change in any of this?
UM: Maybe nothing…but keep telling what you know.
Insider: Don’t know it…feel it.
UM: Fine then…what you feel it to be. You said there was – that you put it together. The other pieces.
Insider: Yeah…I did. You want to know all that? How…how if you say too much in this…what I do…step too far out of line and that’s it. Ruin your marriage? How about some jail time? Maybe more? Maybe less? That’s how it is for us…we all…you don’t ever wanna do the things I’ve done.
UM: You’re drunk.
Insider: Yes I am. You’re not?
UM: No.
Insider: You drinkin? Bushmills? I brought it – I asked…you said…that was right?
UM: And then some – and thank you.
Insider: Not drunk?
UM: No.
Insider: Bullsh-t.
UM: Finish the story. Share the pieces.
Your friend dies. No investigation into cause. Then what? Who else? What other – who else is involved?
Insider: The other pieces?
UM: That’s right…the other pieces.
Insider: I won’t name names…not gonna put that on you..not gonna…I don’t want that responsibility.
UM: Fine…but you can still share the details. Don’t need to be specific – just specific enough.
Insider: How about the involvement of one of the most powerful members of the United States Senate? That enough to perk you up? That enough…f-cking specifics for you?
We got the death of a longtimer…an operative. Good solid party guy. Fifty somethin’ years old. Natural causes. No investigation. He sees something about the current United States president…says it…shares it with some others, including this Senator. They are tight. Go way back a ways. She’s got power. If she has…if she gets some kind of information… that makes her a threat. It makes him a threat. There’s a business partner…he…well wouldn’t you know it…he has a serious legal threat brought down on him around the same time! Imagine that? Bet he was told something too, right? No accident there. Warnings is what was going on there. Back the f-ck off – and it was comin’ right from the White House boys. Or worse yet…back to f-cking Chicago. The unions. That vote that pissed ‘em off so much. And then they killed him. And now they are taking on the Senator herself. Right on it. Theft? And the fu–ing thief is…I sh-t you not…she headed up an Obama group. That’s either ballsy or stupid…or both…or just fu–ing insane. The Senator…she knew something. That vote…how she bypassed Obama on the Bin Laden announcement. That wasn’t his call and she knew it. She knew it. Her words that night. “No one knows when. No one knows how. No one knows why.” She was warning them to back off…the White House. Back the f-ck off. The public face…all smiles and nods. That’s how it’s always done…but there’s what’s said off to the side, if you know what to hear…you catch it. It’s there. You just gotta wait for it. You just—
UM: Apologies, but you…can you slow down. You’re throwing out too much too fast here. Slow it down. Please. I apologize but this is…it will be way too difficult to follow.
Insider: For who?
UM: For me…for anyone who reads this.
Insider: I don’t give a f-ck about them…this ain’t…I am…this ain’t for them. You asked me to tell you this…you…this is for you. I…if they can’t follow it…let the dumb bastards try. Piss on ‘em.
UM: Fine – but I can’t follow it…so…start again. The Senator – start with her. Take a bit of time to explain that…
…and then go from there.
Ayn Rand's magnum opus, the novel Atlas Shrugged, is known in Hebrew translation as "Mered HaNephilim" (מרד הנפילים, literally: the revolt/rebellion of the Nephilim)
Thanks alot Spectrism, I really needed to have shivering chills all over my body. Yiiiiiiiikes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FREAKY !!!!
I gotta go bless myself & get all this ick out of my head now !
oops.... sorry. There is some really creepy stuff going on with Obama and his managers. The meetings with the power brokers must be like vipers in a pit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Herb Lady
Oh Specs ! Thank You for posting it ! I want to know , I just don't like what I know.
Don't confuse perfect-possession (Voluntary possession) of a human with a demon having its own corporeal body. In that case it is still just the body of a human, who has willfully given their body over to demons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Herb Lady
How could angelic beings mate with women if they were unable to take on physical attributes? There is some linkage with this physical realm that they are able to use. When we hear about UFOs and the aliens as being trans-dimensional, it sounds like the transfer of organized energy into different frequencies of matter. The physical laws we see in this world all lead to more chaos - breaking down organization into less organized parts. The ONLY exception to this is LIFE. Life brings more organization as it collects matter and arranges it. Life is displayed as organized energy.
I never said angels mated with humans. You guys said that.
afaic, aliens are aliens.(if they exist) Demons are demons. apples and oranges imo.
Well, yes- that is a good thing to do.... limit comments to what we know. It is true that we cannot be sure angels mated with humans. It is possible that other created species did come here from other planets and were called "sons of god" because of their advanced knowledge and size. These need not be angelic beings. I think it is a limitation of existing language and understanding that could lump various categories together into one word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke
Either way, the result of the mix- hybrids, would be a doomed lot with no chance of redemption according to the messages of Messiah and the prophets. And if they are in such a hopeless category, their propensity toward clever evil could be amazing.
Also another couple things to take into consideration:
The take on "Sons of God" and "Sons of men" as far as the Catholic dogma goes, is as follows:
This would dissolve the "breeding with angels" theory. I am not saying what I quoted above is fact, I am just sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRBO dot org
Also, to bear in mind, when in reference to giants in Genesis 6:4, things were different before the flood. The people lived to be 900 years old, and some theologians assert that they were bigger in stature. I don't know.
However in Numbers 13:33, we see giants referred to again. In this case, it was the people with Moses who were rumouring, nothing more.
That's very interesting considering that Atlas, who had to bear the weight of the heavens on his shoulders, was a Titan. Perhaps the ancient deities of old were considered Nephilim?Quote:
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There is nowhere in the entire Bible that says Seth and Enos were righteous and pious. Whereas the Bible discusses the sin of the angels and even compares it to sodom and gomorrah, indicating their sin was deviantly sexual in nature:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Book of Jude
What about Deuteronomy chapter 3:11? It mentions Og, the king of the Giants whose bed was 14 feet long and 6 feet wide!Quote:
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Originally Posted by deut 3:11
I can't say definitively that he is a false teacher. I can say that I have a very bad feeling about him, mostly because other false teachers use his stuff. There are masonic connections, there...and connections to the Hebrew roots movement, and connections to the 'spiritual warfare' community. Also, there are rumors of womanizing. Not to say that we are all perfect, not at all...but overall, this guy doesn't pass my smell test. Caveat- rumors can sometimes be disinfo and I am certainly capable of making mistakes with my discernment. A good website to start:Quote:
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http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/20...out-chuck.html
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Christians Discerning the Truth About Chuck Missler
Others have done some of this research regarding Missler but want to share my experiences and share these links to expose this false teacher. Years ago, I listened to Chuck Missler's DVDs, CDs, and online Bible teachings, many were sent to me via a diehard fan of Chuck Missler's. Chuck Missler is a popular teacher in Calvary Chapel circles, and even got his start with Chuck Smith's Costa Mesa church. Chuck Missler says even recently on his website that he considers Chuck Smith still to be his "personal pastor" and that along with his business partner, and Walter Martin, he was mentored by Chuck and them, and they have served on each other's board of director's. Hal Lindsey has played a part too where Chuck Missler admits that they shared a long personal relationship and helped him get his start as well.
Chuck Missler is a very popular teacher in Calvary Chapel circles, and in Calvary Chapel many will share his teaching CDs, books and much more. I listened probably to dozens. Now being trained to always test by God's Word, while I was intrigued by in-depth Bible studies, there were things that alarmed me about Missler from the get-go, why did he warn about YK2 which turned out to be the biggest bust going? His Nephilim teachings were strange and kind of raised a red flag--the idea of fallen angels mating with humans seemed more from the uninspired book of Enoch then from scripture. Some of the teachings about the Bible seemed to border on Kabbalah like interpretations of the special meaning and use of words or even specific Hebrew Letters. Why did he advance Bible Codes? Even if he separated from himself from the popular Bible Code books, this was worrisome as well. I myself reading Bible Codes II at a bookstore, saw the scary prophecy [which obviously turned out be false] that a major USA city would be nuked in 2006, and realized with time, those books were just more confusion and using the Bible for sinful divination which was not based on any truth. The focus on Bible Codes in general seemed just more distraction. My worry about Chuck Missler being a false teacher and not just making normal human errors or misjudgements, grew stronger and strong.
It got even worse, the false doctrines piled to the ceilings with Chuck Missler's wife publishing a book he supports called "The Kingdom, Power and Glory" which said that so called "carnal Christians" [there really is no such thing] during the Millennium will be sent away from the Lamb's Supper Table to go stew in "darkness". This one floored me because it basically spoke of a Protestant Purgatory or at the very least putting Christians back under the law. Even Dave Hunt, who says he considers Missler a friend came out against this book warning of its false doctrines considering this "outer darkness".
But the picture grows even darker. With further study, one can find out that Chuck Missler is purported to be a member of the Council for National Policy, a group that has oddly both the antichrist Reverend Moon [who claims to the Messiah today], and Catholic Knights of Malta members and even has been headed by a Catholic president until at least last year coupled with Tim LaHaye who helped found it. The Reverend Moon connections to this group and others like it have made for some odd Christian right bedfellows . What was scary were the so called "Christians" who excused this, saying politics trumped the teachings of the Bible.
But as I looked over more and found out about Chuck Missler's connections to the Swansat Project things got even stranger and surreal. As the website Discerning the World asked in a different way: I too ask: What kind of born again Christian pastor would be behind a program like this? That seems one world government to the core: "Learn how SWANsat™ can help stabilize the world's economy through the proposed gold-backed Auric™ currency". Its main focus as co-associate Welty states being: "SWANsat could play a significant leadership role in connecting every person on the face of the planet.” and the what about the "African Union"? The mind boggles.
Other Christians have discerned the truth about Missler and go into even more detail as to the odd bedfellows at conferences and other worrisome teachings and connections. Please take heed and be careful of trusting in this teacher. I have thanked God for warning me.
Posted by Bible Believer at 10:45 AM
I appreciate the warning dys. One of the things I happen to really like about Chuck is that his signature verse is Acts 17:11 which says "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so". Whenever he starts going into a touchy subject like the nephilim or prophecy, he openly tells us not to take him for his word, but search the scriptures yourself whether those things are true or not. He knows his views aren't shared by many other pastors and Bible teachers, but he never denigrates them, rather he counts many of them as friends.
^^^ I've never read his wife's book, but that's a little strange.