Supreme Court Rules: Police can search you ANYTIME, ANYPLACE, for ANY REASON

I don't know if this fits here, but today after lunch I was walking back to my car. There was a traffic officer walking towards it too. I was partly parked in a red zone and he flipped open his ticket book. I was already in the car by then and I told him, "I'm driving away". He causually said "OK", closed his book and walked back to his car. My other choice was to be silent and wait for him to write the ticket.

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Originally Posted by milehi

I was already in the car by then and I told him, "I'm driving away". He causually said "OK", closed his book and walked back to his car.

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You made an offer. He accepted.

I observed a sheriff tell someone "If you take one step toward that door I will arrest you." The step was made and so was the arrest.

You have to be able to communicate ... as in COOL HAND LUKE ... "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

To argue this point is moronic.

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I never argue. I do provide due process which starts with NOTICE and ends with opportunity to be heard.

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

Anyone that thinks that spouting off some semantical, magical, obscure legal talk will deter a legalized criminal from assaulting them is friggin crazy and or stupid. Force needs no reason, it does not want or need it. Force only understands one thing and that is equal or greater force. Every single one of us are potential victims, there are no exceptions.

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Is it that Palani thinks this, or is it that Palani is yet again peddling his 'blame the victim' meme?

dys

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Originally Posted by milehi

I don't know if this fits here, but today after lunch I was walking back to my car. There was a traffic officer walking towards it too. I was partly parked in a red zone and he flipped open his ticket book. I was already in the car by then and I told him, "I'm driving away". He causually said "OK", closed his book and walked back to his car. My other choice was to be silent and wait for him to write the ticket.

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Also, when getting "pulled over", the victim usually initiates the interaction by stopping their car and pulling over to the side of the road just because some asshole with flashing lights is behind him.

I once watched a cop follow an elderly man who was driving down the road in his car. The cop's lights were on, and it was obvious he was trying to get the guy to pull over, but instead the gentleman simply waited at the stoplight (cop behind him with lights on all the while), and when the light turned green, he proceeded along his way at a reasonable speed. I happened to be headed the same direction, so I followed, and the cop continued to follow him with lights and sirens, waiting for the guy to pull over, but he never did... the old fella kept headibg toward his destination. After another minute or two, the cop turned off his lights and turned down a different street, and I presume he left the guy alone, since they were going different directions last time I saw them.

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Originally Posted by milehi

I don't know if this fits here, but today after lunch I was walking back to my car. There was a traffic officer walking towards it too. I was partly parked in a red zone and he flipped open his ticket book. I was already in the car by then and I told him, "I'm driving away". He causually said "OK", closed his book and walked back to his car. My other choice was to be silent and wait for him to write the ticket.

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You got lucky! If the cop had a burr up his/her ass or a quota to meet you would have been told to take the keys out of the car, lisc/tags/registration check and the you broke the law and I have to write you up spiel. There was NO offer/counter offer in play.

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

There was NO offer/counter offer in play.

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I see you studied law at the Acme Academy along with the roadrunner and Wiley Coyote.

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Originally Posted by dys

Is it that Palani thinks this, or is it that Palani is yet again peddling his 'blame the victim' meme?

dys

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Don't you believe it is irresponsible to always blame the other guy? Are you ever responsible for ANYTHING? As James Allen might point out in AS A MAN THINKETH your garden has become full of weeds. Best tend it soon.

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

The cop's lights were on, and it was obvious he was trying to get the guy to pull over

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It is a felony to turn on the emergency lights when there is no emergency.

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Originally Posted by palani

I see you studied law at the Acme Academy along with the roadrunner and Wiley Coyote.

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I see you have a masters degree in Obfuscation. The OP is about the expanding police state, laws that are being passed that effect all of us!! GOD DAMNIT ARE YOU A FUCKING SHILL? WTF? Yeah, you think your superior intellect gives you the power of the force or with your legalese to be above the very possible facts right before your eyes? Riiiigggghhhtttt, they'll just leave Palani alone, he really knows his shit..chuckle. The problem is, that's BULLSHIT!

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

they'll just leave Palani alone, he really knows his shit

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Chances are palani will be left alone because he is not an insurgent; however there are no guarantees. One must simply follow his own nature and be responsible for his own actions and not become agitated over irrational actions of others when the goal is to be made whole.

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Originally Posted by palani

Chances are palani will be left alone because he is not an insurgent; however there are no guarantees. One must simply follow his own nature and be responsible for his own actions and not become agitated over irrational actions of others when the goal is to be made whole.

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Chances are, your chances are as good as ours no matter what language you choose to speak. But......I wouldn't be surprised if your IP was from the DC/VA area. Insurgent?

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

I wouldn't be surprised if your IP was from the DC/VA area.

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I have no IP.

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

Insurgent?

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It's a status reserved for those who profess one thing and practice another.

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Originally Posted by palani

I have no IP.

It's a status reserved for those who profess one thing and practice another.

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No IP? Really? That in itself is interesting.

So, you're an insurgent?

i thought this case was about strip-searching when you are in police custody.

e.g., if you're pulled over by a cop who's fishing for a traffic violation ticket, and pulls you over for a bullshit reason. he can write you a ticket, but you won't be strip-searched unless you, for example, smack the officer and they take you into custody.

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Originally Posted by gunDriller

i thought this case was about strip-searching when you are in police custody.

e.g., if you're pulled over by a cop who's fishing for a traffic violation ticket, and pulls you over for a bullshit reason. he can write you a ticket, but you won't be strip-searched unless you, for example, smack the officer and they take you into custody.

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It says you have to be under arrest, then they can search you. The arrest could be for ANYTHING it appears....

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

No IP? Really? That in itself is interesting.

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I don't know why it would be. You might have a drivers license in your wallet but it doesn't belong to you.

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

So, you're an insurgent?

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I don't vote. Being insurgent is a requirement to vote. You figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Sui Juris

It says you have to be under arrest, then they can search you. The arrest could be for ANYTHING it appears....

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Except what they currently consider an arrest is a citizens arrest. No peace officer has the authority to arrest. The sheriff has not the authority to arrest. The sheriff lost his shire leet court centuries ago and now only has the authority to execute process.

Nobody can arrest you. You volunteer.

You can be required to post a recognizance bond and you can be held until you do so.

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Originally Posted by palani

Nobody can arrest you. You volunteer.

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I certainly did not volunteer to be arrested for walking down a road minding my own business while talking on my cell phone... BUT I WAS.

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Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2

I certainly did not volunteer to be arrested for walking down a road minding my own business while talking on my cell phone... BUT I WAS.

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1) "Am I under arrest?" ... answer "no"
2) "Am I free to go?" ... answer "no"

This results in a constitutional seizure. No arrest ever occurred.

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Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2

I certainly did not volunteer to be arrested for walking down a road minding my own business while talking on my cell phone... BUT I WAS.

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So was I Cebu.

But if you're a member of the tribes bullshit team they'll tell you it's just your imagination.

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Originally Posted by palani

1) "Am I under arrest?" ... answer "no"
2) "Am I free to go?" ... answer "no"

This results in a constitutional seizure. No arrest ever occurred.

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See, just like I predicted and said, Cebu never got fucked with, it was just a seizure, Constitutional at that!

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

But if you're a member of the tribes bullshit team they'll tell you it's just your imagination.

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And when you are insurgent you may be treated as an insurgent. Big surprise!!!

Sounds like a threat? LOL. Like I care. You are showing your true colors though.

Like I said I was WALKING and on my CELL PHONE I did not say anything to anyone besides my phone and was knocked to the fucking GROUND and handcuffed. I was not read any rights or was I told why I was handcuffed. The next day when I left<- "was released" from jail I found that it was for DUI even though I was over a MILE away from my home or car. They claim that I refused a breathalyzer which I did... Now I have a restricted license but never charged for anything. So much for a jog around the block (a block is 4 miles here).

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

Sounds like a threat?

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Funny. I thought it was just an observation. But then when dealing with irrational people I find they fantasize frequently.

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Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2

Like I said I was WALKING and on my CELL PHONE I did not say anything to anyone besides my phone and was knocked to the fucking GROUND and handcuffed....So much for a jog around the block

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Walking in a JOGGING zone?

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Originally Posted by palani

It is a felony to turn on the emergency lights when there is no emergency.

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If you DO pull over, it's fun to ask if there is any emergency. If they say no, say "oh because I just noticed you had your emergency lights on".

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Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

If you DO pull over, it's fun to ask if there is any emergency. If they say no, say "oh because I just noticed you had your emergency lights on".

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One old timer told me he would jump out of his car, run to the front, get down and look under the car. When the cop would ask what he was doing he would say "trying to find the corpus delicti ... you had your emergency lights on and I figured I ran over someone".

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Originally Posted by palani

Walking in a JOGGING zone?

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No it's called a road... made of dirt and sand, no lines and very little traffic, surely you have heard of these?

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Originally Posted by palani

Don't you believe it is irresponsible to always blame the other guy? Are you ever responsible for ANYTHING? As James Allen might point out in AS A MAN THINKETH your garden has become full of weeds. Best tend it soon.

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I take responsibility for that which I do that is wrong, not that which other people do that is wrong. YOU should take responsibility for repeatedly attempting to pervert the notion of accountability. AKA blame shifting. AKA blame the victim.
In the style of masonic triple meanings, your palaver creates 3 seperate distorted concepts in those that are unfortunate to be deceived by it:

1. The victim blames himself for the actions of the perpetrator.
2. Other people blame the victim for the actions of the perpetrator.
(something darker)
3. Lambs to the slaughter, those that accept your BS that they can 'opt out' or 'withdraw consent', try to do so, and are 'dealt with' by TPTB.

I say that you are a shill and a deceiver. But then again, I've been saying that for a long time. Looks like other people are starting to get clued in now, too.

dys

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Originally Posted by dys

I take responsibility for that which I do that is wrong, not that which other people do that is wrong. YOU should take responsibility for repeatedly attempting to pervert the notion of accountability. AKA blame shifting. AKA blame the victim.
In the style of masonic triple meanings, your palaver creates 3 seperate distorted concepts in those that are unfortunate to be deceived by it:

1. The victim blames himself for the actions of the perpetrator.
2. Other people blame the victim for the actions of the perpetrator.
(something darker)
3. Lambs to the slaughter, those that accept your BS that they can 'opt out' or 'withdraw consent', try to do so, and are 'dealt with' by TPTB.

I say that you are a shill and a deceiver. But then again, I've been saying that for a long time. Looks like other people are starting to get clued in now, too.

dys

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Actually Dys you think at a lower level therefore perceive reality at the same level!

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Originally Posted by dys

I take responsibility for that which I do that is wrong, not that which other people do that is wrong.
dys

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So you disclaim responsibility. Isn't that irresponsible?

That is the root of your problem. Don't look to other parties to blame for actions that happen to you. What happens to you solely belongs to you. Look at it this way, if you never bothered to make an appearance then nothing anybody else did would affect you. Are you responsible for your own appearance or are you prepared to blame someone else for that as well?

Once you find that you are responsible for your own actions then you might be able to ask forgiveness for them. If you are out blaming others for interacting with you then you are not seeking forgiveness. Instead you are seeking retribution and retaliation. Neither of these two goals leaves particularly spectacular results. They result in more hate and lack of closure.

If someone were to post a video of a bunch of cops beating the crap out of Palani as he wailed on with his law school dropout bullshit..... I would of course condemn the cowardly pigs, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't enjoy watching it.

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Originally Posted by Kruger

If someone were to post a video of a bunch of cops beating the crap out of Palani as he wailed on with his law school dropout bullshit..... I would of course condemn the cowardly pigs, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't enjoy watching it.

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Thinking really hurts sometimes, doesn't it? I suppose that is why so many people avoid it at all cost.

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Originally Posted by Kruger

If someone were to post a video of a bunch of cops beating the crap out of Palani as he wailed on with his law school dropout bullshit..... I would of course condemn the cowardly pigs, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't enjoy watching it.

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That's part of what's wrong with people today.

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Originally Posted by palani

But then when dealing with irrational people I find they fantasize frequently.

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KgBT8kIRgB...PD+Beating.jpg

::) Palani's nose does not recognize the jurisdiction of a police fist...lol.

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Originally Posted by Book

Palani's nose does not recognize the jurisdiction of a police fist...lol.

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Would the agents in your photo be men responsible for their own actions or are they agents acting under the limited liability of a principal whose uniform and badge they prominently display?

Would that so called principal (aka "the State") be nothing more than a legal fiction?

Inquiring minds would like to hear your response to these questions.

we need a do - over on this thread....

It's so far OT.

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

So was I Cebu.

But if you're a member of the tribes bullshit team they'll tell you it's just your imagination.

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