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James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, told NBC that the leaks "violate a sacred trust for this country. The damage that these revelations incur are huge." On Monday, Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian's lead reporter on the Snowden case, used Twitter to chide Clapper for claiming that Snowden's disclosures harmed national security. Greenwald also suggested that there were more revelations to come.
"Clapper: leaks "literally gut-wrenching" - "huge, grave damage" - save some melodrama and rhetoric for coming stories. You'll need it," Greenwald tweeted.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-whistlebl...192837160.html
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James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, told NBC that the leaks "violate a sacred trust for this country. The damage that these revelations incur are huge." On Monday, Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian's lead reporter on the Snowden case, used Twitter to chide Clapper for claiming that Snowden's disclosures harmed national security. Greenwald also suggested that there were more revelations to come.
"Clapper: leaks "literally gut-wrenching" - "huge, grave damage" - save some melodrama and rhetoric for coming stories. You'll need it," Greenwald tweeted.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-whistlebl...192837160.html
Let Clapper save it for his perjury and treason defense case. If I were him I would get a good attorney and shut his mouth at this point.
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Charge the POS James Clapper with perjury and treason.
Wyden cites contradiction in eavesdropping answer
"...Wyden said he wanted to know the scope of the top secret surveillance programs, and privately asked NSA Director Keith Alexander for clarity. When he did not get a satisfactory answer, Wyden said he alerted Clapper's office a day early that he would ask the same question at the public hearing.
"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" Wyden asked Clapper at the March 12 hearing.
"No, sir," Clapper answered.
"It does not?" Wyden pressed.
Clapper quickly and haltingly softened his answer. "Not wittingly," he said. "There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect — but not wittingly."
Wyden said he also gave Clapper a chance to amend his answer.
A spokesman for Clapper did not have an immediate response on Tuesday, but the intelligence director said in an interview with NBC News last weekend that he did think that Wyden's question during the March hearing was "not answerable necessarily, by a simple yes or no." Officials generally do not discuss classified information in public hearings, reserving discussion on top-secret programs for closed sessions where they will not be revealed to adversaries.
"So I responded in what I thought was the most truthful or least most untruthful manner, by saying, 'No,'" Clapper said in the NBC interview when asked about his response to Wyden..."
If this guy doesn't get serious prison time, I think everyone knows that to do
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James R. Clapper
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James "The Clap" Clapper (born March 14, 1941)[2][3] is a retired lieutenant general in the United States Air Force and is currently the Director of National Intelligence. He was previously dual-hatted as the first Director of Defense Intelligence within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence alongside the position of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.[4] Clapper has held several key positions within the United States Intelligence Community. He served as the director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) from September 2001 until June 2006. Previously, he served as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) from 1992 until 1995.
On June 5, 2010, President Barack Obama nominated Clapper to replace Dennis C. Blair as United States Director of National Intelligence. Clapper was unanimously confirmed by the Senate for the position on August 5, 2010.[5][6]
James Clapper perjured himself before Congress, and is probably guilty of treason [7].
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Everytime a politician opens their mouth lies speww out!
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They are there to protect people....hahaha.......................themselves
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Definitely hero status.
Re-assessing....
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This Snowden guy's background is rather hinky, maybe as much as Barry Soetoro's
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Good interview with Thomas Drake. NSA whistleblower (wire tapping controversy):
Ex-NSA Leaker's Advice To Snowden: "Always Check Your Six"
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Edward Snowden: how the spy story of the age leaked out
The full story behind the scoop and why the whistleblower approached the Guardian
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...nowden-016.jpg
Link to video: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things' As he pulled a small black suitcase and carried a selection of laptop bags over his shoulders, no one would have paid much attention to Ed Snowden as he arrived at Hong Kong International Airport. But Snowden was not your average tourist or businessman. In all, he was carrying four computers that enabled him to gain access to some of the US government's most highly-classified secrets.
Today, just over three weeks later, he is the world's most famous spy, whistleblower and fugitive, responsible for the biggest intelligence breach in recent US history. News organisations around the globe have described him as "America's Most Wanted". Members of Congress have denounced him as a "defector" whose actions amount to treason and have demanded he be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
His supporters argue that his actions have opened up a much-needed debate on the balance between security and privacy in the modern world.
So is he whistleblower or traitor? That debate is still raging.
Snowden, aged 29, had flown to Hong Kong from Hawaii, where he had been working for the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton at the National Security Agency, the biggest spy surveillance organisation in the world. Since Monday morning, he has gone underground. Hong Kong-based journalists, joined by the international press, have been hunting for him. At the height of the search, reporters recruited Twitter followers to see if they could successfully identify the lighting and other hotel furnishings shown in the video in which he went public. They did: the $330-a-night Mira Hotel, on Nathan Road, the busy main shopping drag in Kowloon district.
Knowing it was only a matter of time before he was found, Snowden checked out at lunchtime on Monday. It is thought he is now in a safe house.
What happens now? The US is on the verge of pressing criminal charges against him and that would lead to extradition proceedings, with a view to bringing him back to the US for trial and eventually jail.
If America is planning to jail for life Bradley Manning, who was behind the 2010 WikiLeaks release of tens of thousands of state department memos, what retribution lies in store for Snowden, who is guilty of leaking on a much bigger scale? The documents Manning released were merely "classified". Snowden's were not only "Top Secret", but circulation was extremely limited.
For an American, the traditional home for the kind of story Snowden was planning to reveal would have been the New York Times. But during extensive interviews last week with a Guardian team, he recalled how dismayed he had been to discover the Times had a great scoop in election year 2004 – that the Bush administration, post 9/11, allowed the NSA to snoop on US citizens without warrants – but had sat on it for a year before publishing.
More at link.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...blower-profile
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I wish Snowden just leaked to Wikileaks. What we are getting is one powerpoint slide at a time (with redactions) from the Guardian. Basically, do we trust the Guardian to start with? Does the queeny-poo or her representatives get to pick what slides get released, and what gets redacted?
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BREAKING NOW: Whistleblower Edward Snowden talks to South China Morning Post!
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/a...a-morning-post
SERVERS ARE DOWN! NSA?
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It is back (scmp.com):
Washington is bullying Hong Kong to extradite me, says Edward Snowden
America is desperate to prevent me leaking further information, whistle-blower says
"... He said: “I heard today from a reliable source that the United States government is trying to bully the Hong Kong government into extraditing me before the local government can learn of this [the US National Security Agency hacking people in Hong Kong]. The US government will do anything to prevent me from getting this into the public eye, which is why they are pushing so hard for extradition.” ..."
EXCLUSIVE: Whistle-blower Edward Snowden talks to South China Morning Post
Whistle-blower Edward Snowden tells SCMP: 'Let Hong Kong people decide my fate'
Ex-CIA operative wants to remain in Hong Kong
[Most of this is already on Zerohedge- JQP]
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Attachment 5012
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"If you see something, say something." Juxtaposed on pictures of your 'friends', Janet and Barry, who are 'Preserving our freedoms'.
Ignorance is strength
War is Peace
Freedom is slavery
They are also the champions of strength and peace. Bravo. Not surprising that sales of Orwell's 1984 have gone exponential.
Hatha
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Snowden Currently answering questions live via Twitter:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...-whistleblower
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John_QPublic 17 June 2013 5:23pm
Mr. Snowden:
Of critical minds I have come across (non-sheeple), a sizable portion want to support what you do, but are suspicious that you may:
1. Have been led by various agencies to break the revelations you made for their purposes (unwittingly by you);
2. May be part of a larger distraction;
Is there anything you can say to lay these suspicions to rest?
God be with you in any case.
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It appears that Snowden's father is seriously brainwashed. I can understand that, because the issues being raised are, to say the least, mindbending. One of those issues is the definition of what is treason. Someone who commits treason is known as a traitor. Is Edward Snowden a traitor? Has he turned against his country? Or are his accusers traitors because they have turned against their country?
It appears that the whole political establishment in not only the United States, but in virtually all countries are traitors, who want to dissolve their own countries and impose some form of global government on their people. Is it treasonous for one of the people to oppose this?
My take on this is that Snowden is only a traitor if the people who judge him are incapable of critical thinking. Those prosecuting him are counting on this deficiency in the masses to convict him. How can one be a traitor to a country that his prosecutors want to dissolve? Isn't this prosecution the height of hypocrisy? Aren't the people condemning Snowden hypocrites?
It reminds me of the quote by Hannah Arendt about hypocrisy:
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What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core.
Hypocrisy is a vice. One that covers up corruption--which is an agreement not to fix mistakes among people who make self-serving mistakes. Snowden's accusers are corrupt--appealing to the ignorant.
Hatha
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Hatha Sunahara
It appears that Snowden's father is seriously brainwashed. I can understand that, because the issues being raised are, to say the least, mindbending. One of those issues is the definition of what is treason. Someone who commits treason is known as a traitor. Is Edward Snowden a traitor? Has he turned against his country? Or are his accusers traitors because they have turned against their country?
It appears that the whole political establishment in not only the United States, but in virtually all countries are traitors, who want to dissolve their own countries and impose some form of global government on their people. Is it treasonous for one of the people to oppose this?
My take on this is that Snowden is only a traitor if the people who judge him are incapable of critical thinking. Those prosecuting him are counting on this deficiency in the masses to convict him. How can one be a traitor to a country that his prosecutors want to dissolve? Isn't this prosecution the height of hypocrisy? Aren't the people condemning Snowden hypocrites?
It reminds me of the quote by Hannah Arendt about hypocrisy:
Hypocrisy is a vice. One that covers up corruption--which is an agreement not to fix mistakes among people who make self-serving mistakes. Snowden's accusers are corrupt--appealing to the ignorant.
Hatha
When the people that employ you break laws and commit crimes against your country, imo you are no longer bound by any contract you have with them.
As long as Snowden does not reveal anything that jepordizes the lives of our military, or innocent people, he cannot be accused treason.
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tweet acct:
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Journalists should ask a specific question: since these programs began operation shortly after September 11th, how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive that, and ask yourself if it was worth it. Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.
Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school.
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EE_
When the people that employ you break laws and commit crimes against your country, imo you are no longer bound by any contract you have with them.
As long as Snowden does not reveal anything that jepordizes the lives of our military, or innocent people, he cannot be accused treason.
Any prosecutor can accuse anyone of anything at anytime. Whether they can get a conviction is another question.
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It's easy to see that the traitor meme is being built and it's coming from both the left and the right, or as we know it, from the elite in power, same shit. It's a PR war for the publics opinion...er brainwashing.
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[paranoia]What if....
Snowden has already been liquidated, and the tweet chat today was a controlled event with a stand in from some agency? [/paranoia]
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Any prosecutor can accuse anyone of anything at anytime. Whether they can get a conviction is another question.
They usually can.
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I wonder- are there messages within Snowden's comments? Like "petting a phoenix", etc. (beyond possible sexual inuendo). How about in the rash of poses being posted form his girlfriend? Maybe his dad's message? If so who is he communicating to?
Another question: when are we going to start seeing the leaked documents (besides the piddly few pages from pp presentations)?
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hotograph: The Guardian
12.43pm ET
Final question from Glenn Greenwald:
Anything else you’d like to add?
Answer:
Thanks to everyone for their support, and remember that just because you are not the target of a surveillance program does not make it okay. The US Person / foreigner distinction is not a reasonable substitute for individualized suspicion, and is only applied to improve support for the program. This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance.
12.41pm ET
Question:
So far are things going the way you thought they would regarding a public debate? – tikkamasala
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Initially I was very encouraged. Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history.
12.37pm ET
Follow-up from the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman:
Regarding whether you have secretly given classified information to the Chinese government, some are saying you didn't answer clearly - can you give a flat no?
Answer:
No. I have had no contact with the Chinese government. Just like with the Guardian and the Washington Post, I only work with journalists.
12.34pm ET
Question:
AhBrightWings
17 June 2013 2:12pm
My question: given the enormity of what you are facing now in terms of repercussions, can you describe the exact moment when you knew you absolutely were going to do this, no matter the fallout, and what it now feels like to be living in a post-revelation world? Or was it a series of moments that culminated in action? I think it might help other people contemplating becoming whistleblowers if they knew what the ah-ha moment was like. Again, thanks for your courage and heroism.
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I imagine everyone's experience is different, but for me, there was no single moment. It was seeing a continuing litany of lies from senior officials to Congress - and therefore the American people - and the realization that that Congress, specifically the Gang of Eight, wholly supported the lies that compelled me to act. Seeing someone in the position of James Clapper - the Director of National Intelligence - baldly lying to the public without repercussion is the evidence of a subverted democracy. The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed.
12.28pm ET
Question:
Ryan Latvaitis
17 June 2013 2:34pm
What would you say to others who are in a position to leak classified information that could improve public understanding of the intelligence apparatus of the USA and its effect on civil liberties?
What evidence do you have that refutes the assertion that the NSA is unable to listen to the content of telephone calls without an explicit and defined court order from FISC?
Answer:
This country is worth dying for.
12.24pm ET
Question:
Do you believe that the treatment of Binney, Drake and others influenced your path? Do you feel the "system works" so to speak? #AskSnowden
— Jacob Appelbaum (@ioerror) June 17, 2013
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Binney, Drake, Kiriakou, and Manning are all examples of how overly-harsh responses to public-interest whistle-blowing only escalate the scale, scope, and skill involved in future disclosures. Citizens with a conscience are not going to ignore wrong-doing simply because they'll be destroyed for it: the conscience forbids it. Instead, these draconian responses simply build better whistleblowers. If the Obama administration responds with an even harsher hand against me, they can be assured that they'll soon find themselves facing an equally harsh public response.
This disclosure provides Obama an opportunity to appeal for a return to sanity, constitutional policy, and the rule of law rather than men. He still has plenty of time to go down in history as the President who looked into the abyss and stepped back, rather than leaping forward into it. I would advise he personally call for a special committee to review these interception programs, repudiate the dangerous "State Secrets" privilege, and, upon preparing to leave office, begin a tradition for all Presidents forthwith to demonstrate their respect for the law by appointing a special investigator to review the policies of their years in office for any wrongdoing. There can be no faith in government if our highest offices are excused from scrutiny - they should be setting the example of transparency.
12.12pm ET
Question:
Mathius1
17 June 2013 2:54pm
Is encrypting my email any good at defeating the NSA survelielance? Id my data protected by standard encryption?
Answer:
Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on. Unfortunately, endpoint security is so terrifically weak that NSA can frequently find ways around it.
12.10pm ET
Question:
US officials say terrorists already altering TTPs because of your leaks, & calling you traitor. Respond? http://t.co/WlK2qpYJki #AskSnowden
— Kimberly Dozier (@KimberlyDozier) June 17, 2013
Answer:
US officials say this every time there's a public discussion that could limit their authority. US officials also provide misleading or directly false assertions about the value of these programs, as they did just recently with the Zazi case, which court documents clearly show was not unveiled by PRISM.
Journalists should ask a specific question: since these programs began operation shortly after September 11th, how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive that, and ask yourself if it was worth it. Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.
Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school.
Updated at 12.11pm ET
12.04pm ET
Question:
Guardian staff
Spencer Ackerman
17 June 2013 4:16pm
Edward, there is rampant speculation, outpacing facts, that you have or will provide classified US information to the Chinese or other governments in exchange for asylum. Have/will you?
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This is a predictable smear that I anticipated before going public, as the US media has a knee-jerk "RED CHINA!" reaction to anything involving HK or the PRC, and is intended to distract from the issue of US government misconduct. Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.
11.55am ET
Question:
MonaHol
17 June 2013 4:37pm
Ed Snowden, I thank you for your brave service to our country.
Some skepticism exists about certain of your claims, including this:
I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President if I had a personal email.
Do you stand by that, and if so, could you elaborate?
Answer:
Yes, I stand by it. US Persons do enjoy limited policy protections (and again, it's important to understand that policy protection is no protection - policy is a one-way ratchet that only loosens) and one very weak technical protection - a near-the-front-end filter at our ingestion points. The filter is constantly out of date, is set at what is euphemistically referred to as the "widest allowable aperture," and can be stripped out at any time. Even with the filter, US comms get ingested, and even more so as soon as they leave the border. Your protected communications shouldn't stop being protected communications just because of the IP they're tagged with.
More fundamentally, the "US Persons" protection in general is a distraction from the power and danger of this system. Suspicionless surveillance does not become okay simply because it's only victimizing 95% of the world instead of 100%. Our founders did not write that "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all US Persons are created equal."
11.41am ET
Question:
HaraldK
17 June 2013 2:45pm
What are your thoughts on Google's and Facebook's denials? Do you think that they're honestly in the dark about PRISM, or do you think they're compelled to lie?
Perhaps this is a better question to a lawyer like Greenwald, but: If you're presented with a secret order that you're forbidding to reveal the existence of, what will they actually do if you simply refuse to comply (without revealing the order)?
Answer:
Their denials went through several revisions as it become more and more clear they were misleading and included identical, specific language across companies. As a result of these disclosures and the clout of these companies, we're finally beginning to see more transparency and better details about these programs for the first time since their inception.
They are legally compelled to comply and maintain their silence in regard to specifics of the program, but that does not comply them from ethical obligation. If for example Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Apple refused to provide this cooperation with the Intelligence Community, what do you think the government would do? Shut them down?
11.40am ET
Anthony De Rosa
17 June 2013 2:18pm
1) Define in as much detail as you can what "direct access" means.
2) Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?
2) NSA likes to use "domestic" as a weasel word here for a number of reasons. The reality is that due to the FISA Amendments Act and its section 702 authorities, Americans’ communications are collected and viewed on a daily basis on the certification of an analyst rather than a warrant. They excuse this as "incidental" collection, but at the end of the day, someone at NSA still has the content of your communications. Even in the event of "warranted" intercept, it's important to understand the intelligence community doesn't always deal with what you would consider a "real" warrant like a Police department would have to, the "warrant" is more of a templated form they fill out and send to a reliable judge with a rubber stamp.
Glenn Greenwald follow up: When you say "someone at NSA still has the content of your communications" - what do you mean? Do you mean they have a record of it, or the actual content?
Both. If I target for example an email address, for example under FAA 702, and that email address sent something to you, Joe America, the analyst gets it. All of it. IPs, raw data, content, headers, attachments, everything. And it gets saved for a very long time - and can be extended further with waivers rather than warrants.
11.27am ET
Question:
Anthony De Rosa
17 June 2013 2:18pm
1) Define in as much detail as you can what "direct access" means.
2) Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?
Answer:
1) More detail on how direct NSA's accesses are is coming, but in general, the reality is this: if an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc analyst has access to query raw SIGINT databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want. Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on - it's all the same. The restrictions against this are policy based, not technically based, and can change at any time. Additionally, audits are cursory, incomplete, and easily fooled by fake justifications. For at least GCHQ, the number of audited queries is only 5% of those performed.
Updated at 11.41am ET
11.23am ET
Question:
Gabrielaweb
17 June 2013 2:17pm
Why did you wait to release the documents if you said you wanted to tell the world about the NSA programs since before Obama became president?
Answer:
Obama's campaign promises and election gave me faith that he would lead us toward fixing the problems he outlined in his quest for votes. Many Americans felt similarly. Unfortunately, shortly after assuming power, he closed the door on investigating systemic violations of law, deepened and expanded several abusive programs, and refused to spend the political capital to end the kind of human rights violations like we see in Guantanamo, where men still sit without charge.
11.20am ET
Question:
D. Aram Mushegian II
17 June 2013 2:16pm
Did you lie about your salary? What is the issue there? Why did you tell Glenn Greenwald that your salary was $200,000 a year, when it was only $122,000 (according to the firm that fired you.)
Answer:
I was debriefed by Glenn and his peers over a number of days, and not all of those conversations were recorded. The statement I made about earnings was that $200,000 was my "career high" salary. I had to take pay cuts in the course of pursuing specific work. Booz was not the most I've been paid.
11.17am ET
Question:
ActivistGal
17 June 2013 2:15pm
You have said HERE that you admire both Ellsberg and Manning, but have argued that there is one important distinction between yourself and the army private...
"I carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest," he said. "There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over, because harming people isn't my goal. Transparency is."
Are you suggesting that Manning indiscriminately dumped secrets into the hands of Wikileaks and that he intended to harm people?
Answer:
No, I'm not. Wikileaks is a legitimate journalistic outlet and they carefully redacted all of their releases in accordance with a judgment of public interest. The unredacted release of cables was due to the failure of a partner journalist to control a passphrase. However, I understand that many media outlets used the argument that "documents were dumped" to smear Manning, and want to make it clear that it is not a valid assertion here.
11.13am ET
Question:
Guardian staff
ewenmacaskill
17 June 2013 3:07pm
I should have asked you this when I saw you but never got round to it........Why did you just not fly direct to Iceland if that is your preferred country for asylum?
Answer:
Leaving the US was an incredible risk, as NSA employees must declare their foreign travel 30 days in advance and are monitored. There was a distinct possibility I would be interdicted en route, so I had to travel with no advance booking to a country with the cultural and legal framework to allow me to work without being immediately detained. Hong Kong provided that. Iceland could be pushed harder, quicker, before the public could have a chance to make their feelings known, and I would not put that past the current US administration.
11.07am ET
Question:
Guardian staff
GlennGreenwald
17 June 2013 2:11pm
Let's begin with these:
1) Why did you choose Hong Kong to go to and then tell them about US hacking on their research facilities and universities?
2) How many sets of the documents you disclosed did you make, and how many different people have them? If anything happens to you, do they still exist?
Answer:
1) First, the US Government, just as they did with other whistleblowers, immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home, openly declaring me guilty of treason and that the disclosure of secret, criminal, and even unconstitutional acts is an unforgivable crime. That's not justice, and it would be foolish to volunteer yourself to it if you can do more good outside of prison than in it.
Second, let's be clear: I did not reveal any US operations against legitimate military targets. I pointed out where the NSA has hacked civilian infrastructure such as universities, hospitals, and private businesses because it is dangerous. These nakedly, aggressively criminal acts are wrong no matter the target. Not only that, when NSA makes a technical mistake during an exploitation operation, critical systems crash. Congress hasn't declared war on the countries - the majority of them are our allies - but without asking for public permission, NSA is running network operations against them that affect millions of innocent people. And for what? So we can have secret access to a computer in a country we're not even fighting? So we can potentially reveal a potential terrorist with the potential to kill fewer Americans than our own Police? No, the public needs to know the kinds of things a government does in its name, or the "consent of the governed" is meaningless.
2) All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.
9.00am ET
Edward Snowden Q&A
It is the interview the world's media organisations have been chasing for more than a week, but instead Edward Snowden is giving Guardian readers the exclusive.
The 29-year-old former NSA contractor and source of the Guardian's NSA files coverage will – with the help of Glenn Greenwald – take your questions today on why he revealed the NSA's top-secret surveillance of US citizens, the international storm that has ensued, and the uncertain future he now faces. Ask him anything.
Snowden, who has fled the US, told the Guardian he "does not expect to see home again", but where he'll end up has yet to be determined.
He will be online today from 11am ET/4pm BST today. An important caveat: the live chat is subject to Snowden's security concerns and also his access to a secure internet connection. It is possible that he will appear and disappear intermittently, so if it takes him a while to get through the questions, please be patient.
To participate, post your question below and recommend your favorites. As he makes his way through the thread, we'll embed his replies as posts in the live blog. You can also follow along on Twitter using the hashtag #AskSnowden.
We expect the site to experience high demand so we'll re-publish the Q&A in full after the live chat has finished.
Updated at 10.03am ET
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You Do as They Say Or Else
Posted on June 17, 2013 by Armstrong Economics
http://i0.wp.com/armstrongeconomics....size=200%2C284
This whole NSA thing is bringing up a lot of questions. The former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio is currently serving a six-year prison sentence for insider trading in April 2007 because he sold $52 million of stock in the spring of 2001. The prosecution argued he KNEW that the telecommunications carrier appeared to be deteriorating. Nacchio argued that was not true and that he believed Qwest was about to win secret government contract that would keep Quest in the black. He would be guilty ONLY if he KNEW the company would decline and that was the reason he sold. If he sold simply to get money and it then happened to lose contracts, that would not be a crime. The conviction is based on a STATE OF MIND. Naturally, his claim that the government stopped offering the company lucrative contracts ONLY after Qwest refused to cooperate with a NSA (National Security Agency) surveillance program in February 2001 that is doing precisely what they have been caught doing today.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-s...the-nsa-2013-6
http://i2.wp.com/armstrongeconomics....size=476%2C297
In my own case, AFTER I refused to build the model in Washington for the CIA, the case began. Many staff to this day believe that was the reason behind the case. While I was supposed to be in contempt of court to turn over assets IN CASE I might owe something it turned out I did not, documents suggest otherwise that the “unpublic” demands made to Martin Weiss who was willing to rent Princeton to keep the forecasting going but was told that I had to turn over the source code to the model or else Princeton Economics would be shut down.
http://i0.wp.com/armstrongeconomics....size=584%2C230
Then there was the case of a CIA operative who spent 22 years in prison after his daughter helped to get him out. The CIA claimed he never worked for them and was selling arms to Libya on his own. His daughter later found evidence the government lied and he was finally released.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-age-84.html
A Filmaker claims an innocent Man was jailed to cover up CIA Drug Buisness. These stories go on and on. What is curious is how the government does whatever it likes and juries believe their government is honest and would never lie.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...4/22/affidavit
The greatest problem we have is that people like Diane Fineberg will NEVER allow the government to really be investigated. There is no hope of cleaning up the system because you cannot sue the government only it people and they are the only people who can press charges ensuring they will never prosecute themselves. Thomas Jefferson included in the Declaration of Independence the very same complaint about the king.
For protecting them [government employees], by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/0...y-say-or-else/
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osoab
What a two-bit twit.
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One of the requirements for being a beauty queen is to be politically correct. Does anyone expect her to say anything else?
Hatha
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Hatha Sunahara
One of the requirements for being a beauty queen is to be politically correct. Does anyone expect her to say anything else?
Hatha
That is not beauty in my eyes. Sure she looks good, but I like a little more substance. I am not looking for a sex slave (I am already hitched in any case).
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She didn't understand the question. I think she thought that they were tracking her tweets and messages so if she disappeared or something, they could save her, but without violating her privacy? I don't think I understand the question. Can you, Miss Alabama use the word "is" in a sentence?
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Mouse
... Can you, Miss Alabama use the word "is" in a sentence?
Way'all as my second favorite president said (after Obama), "What IS, 'IS' "?
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NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls
"...Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed on Thursday that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."
If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee..."
[I wonder what happened the night before? JQP]
"...James Owens, a spokesman for Nadler, provided a statement on Sunday morning, a day after this article was published, saying: "I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans' phone calls without a specific warrant." Owens said he couldn't comment on what assurances from the Obama administration Nadler was referring to, and said Nadler was unavailable for an interview. (CNET had contacted Nadler for comment on Friday.)..."
