Obamacare: A Deception - A Detailed Analysis - Paul Craig Roberts

I see this as a potential catalyst too, not that this is "the "last straw" kind of thing but that the people who are affected have no choice but to not pay and will at some point be criminals or targets for the gestapo..IRS.

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You and me both.

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What do you say we eliminate medical insurance all together, Doctor's are good sumaritains, aren't they?

Some of them probably have enough dough to start their own banks creating their own loans for the people.

What's a couple gause bandages and scissors cost anyway?

In the construction business your materials run about a third to 50% of the total bill.

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What do you say we eliminate medical insurance all together, Doctor's are good sumaritains, aren't they?

Some of them probably have enough dough to start their own banks creating their own loans for the people.

What's a couple gause bandages and scissors cost anyway?

In the construction business your materials run about a third to 50% of the total.

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Well, some MDs are opting out of the insurance scheme and setting up concierge (cash) practices. But there are so many potential pitfalls. Also licensing and malpractice insurance remain major overhead drags. In practice, you would need a large number of docs with many specialties to have any chance of survival. Large number means over 400-500!

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Well, some MDs are opting out of the insurance scheme and setting up concierge (cash) practices. But there are so many potential pitfalls. Also licensing and malpractice insurance remain major overhead drags. In practice, you would need a large number of docs with many specialties to have any chance of survival. Large number means over 400-500!

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Compartmentalized fields, I'll bet more than half of doctors must hate that aspect of their careers. If they had specialty in a minimum of 3 they should be able to then call themselves doctors. First spending thousands to learn the entire body then disregard to spend thousands to learn individual parts. Granted once an eye doctor isn't going to go back to perform colostomy, but hey :)

Malpractice is easily solved by legislation and a free market.

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I spend most of my days talking to drunk people...

YOU, sir, should see a specialist.

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I am a specialist.

36,000 PEOPLE HAVE ENROLLED IN THE OBAMACARE CLUSTERFUCK OF FAILURE



Posted on 17th October 2013 by Administrator


Clusterfuck of Failure is too kind of a description for the Obamacare rollout. The same people who have designed and rolled out this computer system are going to control your healthcare from here onwards. They have written tens of thousands of pages of rules and regulations. IRS drones will be enforcing the fines on businesses and individuals. Government apparatchiks will decide whether it is worth saving your life. These morons will dictate what is covered and when you can see a doctor. This will all be administered by thousands of health insurance companies. Millions of forms will need to be filed. Doctors will be driven out of the profession by the reduced reimbursements and myriad of paperwork involved in administering this Clusterfuck.


Either the ignorant masses are so ignorant they don’t even know Obamacare went live, or they are too stupid to even read the instructions, or the computer system is so fucked up that no one is able to sign up, or they now realize free didn’t mean free. No matter the reason, Obama told the people of this country that Obamacare would cover 30 million Americans, save the average family $2,500 per year, and be cost neutral to the budget. Only 28,964,000 Americans to go until Obama’s vision is achieved. I wait for my $2,500 check in the mail every day. Our trillion dollar deficits should start to plummet momentarily, once Obamacare hits its stride.
Less than 1% of HealthCare.gov registrants finish enrollment: report

October 17, 2013, 2:16 PM
By Russ Britt

In case you missed it…..


Fewer than 1% of those trying to register for health insurance under President Obama’s health-care overhaul actually were able to complete the enrollment process during the first week of business at HealthCare.gov.


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That was the finding earlier this week by Millard Brown Digital, a researcher that surveyed visitors to the website, rapidly becoming a thorn in the side of supporters of the Affordable Care Act.


Complaints being unable to get insurance using the website have been numerous in the 17 days it has been up and running. For the most part, visitors are unable to get very far in the enrollment process, often not getting past the first few registration pages — a problem that persists.


As Millard’s chart at left shows, there were 9.5 million unique visitors to HealthCare.gov, with 5.7 million visiting the individual marketplace from Oct. 1 to Oct. 5. Millard Brown estimates 3.7 million tried to register and 1 million of those completed registration.


From there the numbers plummet into the thousands. Successful log-in was achieved by 271,000 users, 196,000 of which began enrollment. And of those, 36,000 actually completed the enrollment process. That works out to 0.97% of the 3.7 million who tried to register.


Neither officials from the Department of Health and Human Services nor the contractor hired to build the web site CGI Group Inc. responded to requests for comment.
The researcher determined traffic fell 88% from HealthCare.gov’s first week to its second, based on what it calls the website’s daily reach. Officials said the daily reach dropped that much between Oct. 1 and Oct. 13.


Millard Brown’s findings were disclosed earlier this week and publicized by the web site Kantar U.S. Insights.

http://www.theburningplatform.com/

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36,000 PEOPLE HAVE ENROLLED IN THE OBAMACARE CLUSTERFUCK OF FAILURE



Posted on 17th October 2013 by Administrator


Clusterfuck of Failure is too kind of a description for the Obamacare rollout. The same people who have designed and rolled out this computer system are going to control your healthcare from here onwards. They have written tens of thousands of pages of rules and regulations. IRS drones will be enforcing the fines on businesses and individuals. Government apparatchiks will decide whether it is worth saving your life. These morons will dictate what is covered and when you can see a doctor. This will all be administered by thousands of health insurance companies. Millions of forms will need to be filed. Doctors will be driven out of the profession by the reduced reimbursements and myriad of paperwork involved in administering this Clusterfuck.


Either the ignorant masses are so ignorant they don’t even know Obamacare went live, or they are too stupid to even read the instructions, or the computer system is so fucked up that no one is able to sign up, or they now realize free didn’t mean free. No matter the reason, Obama told the people of this country that Obamacare would cover 30 million Americans, save the average family $2,500 per year, and be cost neutral to the budget. Only 28,964,000 Americans to go until Obama’s vision is achieved. I wait for my $2,500 check in the mail every day. Our trillion dollar deficits should start to plummet momentarily, once Obamacare hits its stride.
Less than 1% of HealthCare.gov registrants finish enrollment: report

October 17, 2013, 2:16 PM
By Russ Britt

In case you missed it…..


Fewer than 1% of those trying to register for health insurance under President Obama’s health-care overhaul actually were able to complete the enrollment process during the first week of business at HealthCare.gov.


http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/MW...1017130545.jpg


That was the finding earlier this week by Millard Brown Digital, a researcher that surveyed visitors to the website, rapidly becoming a thorn in the side of supporters of the Affordable Care Act.


Complaints being unable to get insurance using the website have been numerous in the 17 days it has been up and running. For the most part, visitors are unable to get very far in the enrollment process, often not getting past the first few registration pages — a problem that persists.


As Millard’s chart at left shows, there were 9.5 million unique visitors to HealthCare.gov, with 5.7 million visiting the individual marketplace from Oct. 1 to Oct. 5. Millard Brown estimates 3.7 million tried to register and 1 million of those completed registration.


From there the numbers plummet into the thousands. Successful log-in was achieved by 271,000 users, 196,000 of which began enrollment. And of those, 36,000 actually completed the enrollment process. That works out to 0.97% of the 3.7 million who tried to register.


Neither officials from the Department of Health and Human Services nor the contractor hired to build the web site CGI Group Inc. responded to requests for comment.
The researcher determined traffic fell 88% from HealthCare.gov’s first week to its second, based on what it calls the website’s daily reach. Officials said the daily reach dropped that much between Oct. 1 and Oct. 13.


Millard Brown’s findings were disclosed earlier this week and publicized by the web site Kantar U.S. Insights.

http://www.theburningplatform.com/

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Out of the 36,000 people, I'd be interested to know how many of them have pre-existing conditions and/or are in dire need of medical care?

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Out of the 36,000 people, I'd be interested to know how many of them have pre-existing conditions and/or are in dire need of medical care?

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Every last one of them, absolutely without a doubt. The cost overruns on this bureaucratic white elephant are going to shock and awe.

This could have been designed to fail as the AFC plan but it seems to be a successful data miner.

It will be interesting to see the reverse pyramid flocking into medicaid now that the government is re-opened.

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It will be interesting to see the reverse pyramid flocking into medicaid now that the government is re-opened.

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That and how much less income people are going to report.

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I believe they are going to have a lot of people who will not comply. This is revolution territory. Forcing a segment of the population to purchase a product at the barrel of a gun. I have a gut feeling that the peoples gun barrels will start pointing towards those who attempt to enforce this ridiculous law.

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I can't afford the coverage, the fines, or the (further) loss of autonomy over my own life.

So, I guess it ain't gonna happen. It ain't gonna happen.

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I am a specialist.

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Me too.

Well worth a listen, includes details about the astounding hypocrisy and duplicity of Boehner the snake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=HU3MkVtXKLk

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Insurance exchange director quits, gets contract

Politics: CBSNews: ACA website sending insurance companies incorrect info on the few people who manage to sign up

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Image Credit: CBSNews Published by: Robert Laurie on Friday October 18th, 2013

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Uh-oh, more trouble for Obamacare. Why are we not surprised?

By now, everyone knows that Obamacare enrollment is far, far, below target levels. According to a memo uncovered by the AP, the White House was expecting 500,000 signups by November 1st. Their target by the end of the year was 3.3 million. The most recent estimate is that - overall - a measly 51,000 people had actually registered - most of them via state exchanges in California and New York. Granted, that number was released last week so, while it may be a bit higher today, it's still not going to be anywhere near projections.

Now, we're learning that the problems don't end if you manage to claw your way through the healthcare.gov registration process. In fact, a new CBS News report indicates that's just the beginning of the federal system's troubles.

"CBSNews has learned these problems are more than just people trying to sign up. Insurance companies now are reporting problems once people manage to complete their applications. They say the website is generating duplicate and incomplete enrollment forms, suggesting the problems are pervasive."

So, a meager 20,000 people have managed to register via the federal exchange and the system is so badly designed that - even at such bottom of the barrel levels - it can't keep the data straight. Just imagine if the feds actuallyhad gotten the traffic they expected. Sure, it's annoying, but with only 20,000 applications it should be fairly easy to sort out the errors. However, if the Obama administration had gotten the hundreds of thousands (or millions) of new enrollees it expected, the chaos would have been extraordinary.

Apparently, for the moment, the President is lucky no one wants to have any part of his health care scheme.

His problem is that, the more this system fails, the less people are going to want to use it. That's just human nature. If the AP story is correct, the powers-that-be are still expecting a sudden, massive, influx of signups later this year. If they can't get their site under control by the end of the month - and there's virtually nothing to suggest that they can - it's never going to happen.

If, by some miracle, the signups do suddenly jump and this hasn't been ironed out? The administration will be have elevated its fiasco to a whole new level.

The CBSNews report is below. Be sure to "like" Robert Laurie over on Facebook or follow him on Twitter. You'll be glad you did.

<span><span>http://youtu.be/gWdjYvJf8Wk

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Well worth a listen, includes details about the astounding hypocrisy and duplicity of Boehner the snake:

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Persistent problem with the House, any of those elevated to lead it turn Senatorial.

News of Obamacare’s imploding launch went from bad to worse Thursday:

• Soaring cost: The cost of the Healthcare.gov online insurance website soared from $93.7 million to $292 million since April as the Obama administration began pouring money into the project following concerns it was in trouble. According to Reuters, “Henry Chao, deputy chief information officer at the lead Obamacare agency, said at an insurance-industry meeting that he was ‘pretty nervous’ about the exchanges being ready by October 1, adding, ‘let’s just make sure it’s not a Third-World experience.’” Now the House Energy and Commerce Committee is investigating the technical problems and contractors who received hundreds of millions of dollars to create it.

• Copyright violation: The Obamacare website has reportedly violated licensing agreements for copyrighted software. The website failed to comply with the user agreement when it removed copyright notices from the software. The company says it will pursue action against the Department of Health and Human Services.

• Minimal testing: The site wasn’t even tested until less than a week before its launch. A person with direct knowledge of the procedures told the Washington Examiner, “Normally a system this size would need 4-6 months of testing and performance tuning, not 4-6 days.”

• Old technology: Technology experts are reporting that the federal exchange was built with “10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months and the eventual overhaul of the entire system.”

• Nancy Pelosi complains: The glitches have become so bad, even House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi – who personally pushed Obamacare through the House when she was speaker – said the system “has to be improved,” though she claims the problems are due to overwhelming traffic. Pelosi added, “I hope that we would have some answers soon and that the answer would be: OK, we’ve found the glitch or whatever it is, it’s been corrected and here’s a demonstration of how people, when they approach it now, will be received.”

• No accountability: White House press Secretary Jay Carney tried to distance the president’s signature legislation from the troubled website, arguing, “It’s important to remember the website alone is not the Affordable Care Act.” But Carney refused to answer whether anyone would be held accountable for the botched roll-out.

• Designers distance themselves: Now even the designers who helped create Healthcare.gov have erased all references to their Obamacare-related work from their firm’s website.

• Contractors fainting: And Healthcare.gov contractors claim they’ve been working themselves sick trying to fix the glitches. “There’s a lot of frustration,” a staffer said. “People are getting sick, fainting in conference calls.”

• Navigators frustrated: Other community organizations and nonprofit groups that had been hired to help millions of Americans sign up for Obamacare are now expressing frustration over the enrollment process. (Wade Rathke, founder of ACORN, is now participating in the Obamacare “navigator” drive.)

• Tremendously low enrollment: Three weeks after the website’s launch, enrollment numbers remain very low. Washington state has only enrolled .36 percent of its population. Only .25 percent of Californians have started applications. Only .08 percent of Nevada’s population has created an account. Just .3 percent of Kentucky’s estimated population has purportedly enrolled. While 28,000 applications were submitted by Kentucky residents, page views were said to have exceeded 5.5 million. About 100,000 New Yorkers were said to have “qualified” for health insurance. Only .22 percent of Minnesota’s population has applied for coverage, but one-third of that number is said to have enrolled. Millard Brown Digital, reporting that fewer than 1 percent of the people trying to enroll in Obamacare had completed the enrollment process in the first week, released the following chart:

• Americans losing insurance: Also Thursday, Americans began tweeting their anger and surprise over insurance cancellations and the higher premiums they will be forced to pay under Obamacare.

• Sebelius won’t resign: Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius will not resign over the disastrous Obamacare website roll-out despite numerous calls for her to be fired, her brother says, adding, “You don’t resign in the middle of a fight.” Sebelius’ sister told the New York Times, “The White House is smart enough to know that if she steps aside or they ask her to resign, they will never get anybody else confirmed. Plus, I don’t think they hold her responsible.”

• Sticker shock: The Heritage Foundation released the following chart showing that insurance on health exchanges will cost more than existing insurance:
• http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/10/premium_chart.jpg

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/obamacare...2PstUGBTtVi.99

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.

-Milton Friedman

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If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.

-Milton Friedman

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If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years the Jews will own it and tax you on every grain.

-EE

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If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.

-Milton Friedman

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Doesn't sound like anyone is being deceived here for too long, or its just a blatant fudge.

Possibly a leading excuse to U.S. default.

"Sorry China & world, we were trying to emulate yous guys and failed miserably"

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Doesn't sound like anyone is being deceived here for too long, or its just a blatant fudge.

Possibly a leading excuse to U.S. default.

"Sorry China & world, we were trying to emulate yous guys and failed miserably"

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I'm waiting for an MSM commentator to opine that all the people who didn't register or couldn't log on are closet racists who hate Obama because he is black. Sounds ridiculous? Just wait and see.

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I'm waiting for an MSM commentator to opine that all the people who didn't register or couldn't log on are closet racists who hate Obama because he is black. Sounds ridiculous? Just wait and see.

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Not a chance, that could lead to blacks who do trust other blacks in business siting that doing business with a mix breed is questionable.

Once his base sees the sticker price they will call him a Pelosi cracka.

It was nothing more than a torpedo into a sinking ship.

It takes decades to construct a medical care system...you can not just vote one into existence.

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It was nothing more than a torpedo into a sinking ship.

It takes decades to construct a medical care system...you can not just vote one into existence.

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I'd think about giving a thanks to this statement, BUT.....A, it's a bot or B, it's someone that can't be appreciative of others salient points and give a thanks when apropos. Cold be a C...sock puppet from hell?

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I'd think about giving a thanks to this statement, BUT.....A, it's a bot or B, it's someone that can't be appreciative of others salient points and give a thanks when apropos. Cold be a C...sock puppet from hell?

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There's only two types of kittys, those that only appreciate when you stroke them,

and the kind you hurl off of your leg when its hungry. :)

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There's only two types of kittys, those that only appreciate when you stroke them,

and the kind you hurl off of your leg when its hungry. :)

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There's a 4th kind....those that wind up in a gunny sack, snuggling 5lb rocks.

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There's a 4th kind....those that wind up in a gunny sack, snuggling 5lb rocks.

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Great way of thanking for a good post!

Whats the third kind?

in the new paper this morning it said that Obamacare web site has cost over 700 million to get it up and running

http://hypertiger.blogspot.ca/

updated.

It seems really simple.

If I stood on a street corner, handing out $20 bills - would I need to pass a big law in order to FORCE people to accept them from me? No, people are smart enough to realize that taking the $20, benefits them.

So if I offer ObamaCare, why is there a penalty for not participating? Why is it, that the friends of the Obama admin, are all pestering them for waivers from OC? That the waivers are seen as a benefit, tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about OC.

Suicide looks good before it is committed.

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Anna Gorman and Julie Appleby Kaiser Health News

Oct. 18, 2013 at 2:55 PM ET

Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.

The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1. Most are ending policies sold after the law passed in March 2010. At least a few are canceling plans sold to people with pre-existing medical conditions.



“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

“For people with insurance, the only impact of the health-care law is that their insurance is stronger, better, and more secure than it was before. Full stop. That’s it. They don’t have to worry about anything else.”

“If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less.”

“I want to be very clear: I will not sign on to any health plan that adds to our deficits over the next decade.”

“Health care reform will cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”


-Barack Hussein Obama (alias Barry Soetero), Foreign-born illegitimate POTUS, serial liar, Marxist-Communist stooge, illegal drug user,

who has utterly destroyed what was left of the public's trust in 'their' government and confirmed, at least to me, that this government has committed to war on the American people and our Constitution. This grievous matter cannot be resolved politically or peacefully. I have come to hate and loathe this alien government, for its abuses of power, its utter lack of legitimacy, for its self-serving lust for domination and control, and for its outright treason against our founding document, The United States Constitution.

I am confident that there is a warm place in hell reserved for Barry and his fellow vermin in Washington.


Idiots who voted for Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I


Who is this lying skank of a POTUS anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y

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Would you call this austerity?

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You are one strange duck EE.

I talked to my cats tonight about ObamaCare. What they told me only reinforced my prior viewpoint. We all agreed...


NOT HAPPENING

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I talked to my cats tonight about ObamaCare. What they told me only reinforced my prior viewpoint. We all agreed...


NOT HAPPENING

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Obama was just on T.V. says everything's great, and that the website is not what the long hard battle was for.

He seemed a little concerned about low enrollment though, or if Obamacare been setup with enough representatives to handle things personally with clients there would be no savings in it whatsoever.

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Obama was just on T.V. says everything's great, and that the website is not what the long hard battle was for.

He seemed a little concerned about low enrollment though, or if Obamacare been setup with enough representatives to handle things personally with clients there would be no savings in it whatsoever.

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I watched the first few seconds before I had to turn it off to vomit into the toilet. So Obamacare costs the same as a cell phone or cable TV? Really Barry? Anyone here paying $400 per month for their cell phone, with $5000 deductable for phone replacement/upgrade? Anyone here have to provide your SSN and confidential financial/banking info to sign up for cell phone or cable TV?

This guy's bullshitting is so over the top as to be outerdimensional. What a total fucking joke.

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Anyone here have to provide your SSN...to sign up for cell phone

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Actually to get 'credit' with a cell fone provider one must provide a SS#. And the requirement for the SS# is to establish that one is a 'Federal employee' aka US citizen (aka a practicing Communist).

I once looked into having my wisdom teeth extracted for 'free' by participating in one of those pharma 'research studies' and when I advised the fellow with the outfit conducting same that I didn't have a SS# to provide them he said there was no way I could participate without a SS# at which point he quickly got off the call - THAT speaks volumes as to the nature of the SS#.

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This guy's bullshitting is so over the top as to be outerdimensional. What a total fucking joke.

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He gave one example of a self employed man with family named John somewhere.

Apparently john was able to more than half his existing payments.

He and his wife Mary were so overjoyed, that they asked their congressman to send a bill to the floor that would remove term limits to the Presidency....