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man wasnt satisfied , he went out and made his own world , and his own gods.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver
which of course is due to crash down all around him......but hey ,thems the breaks........
the sun keeps everyone warm ,rich or poor.........believer , non believer or have finished believing believer..........
New Agers would like to worship the giant fusion reactor, rather than the Engineer who created the giant fusion reactor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:45
I often think that an atheist becomes one because they cant relate to any religion as such and in a way become a religion or a category in themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by crimethink
Some maybe from hurt in the past sure.
Really in the end the very end , it comes down to perception or awareness of some one and their relationship with their own conscience .
Trying to hang on to screeds of "learned" religious matter in your head is going to become more and more difficult .
Increases in frequency levels means we spend less time swimming around in cluttered thought and more time in being actually aware in the moment.
This is easy to do .....stand anywhere look ahead and what do you see............we either see what we are looking at or we see the thoughts running around in our heads like a dream , like we are still asleep nearly, similar to a dream at night.
The run away mind can be compared to a nervous affliction.
If you look close , thats all it is.
Im talking about run away thoughts , that are out of control and not the part of the mind we use for day to day living.
Yes, it's called Autotheism - worship of self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
Outright denial of the existence of a Creative Being or Force is illogical. No human has the power to discern "proof" that God/Creator/Creative Force "does not exist." Agnosticism - uncertainty - is consistent with logic, though still in defiance or denial of evidence.
I have no hidden agenda or beliefs in fact on anything and nothing will stop me loving the sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by crimethink
What about you crimethink ,do you love the sun or not.
Even an idiot can see there is more than the sun out there.......
Ive never heard of that , Ill take your word for it.........Quote:
Originally Posted by crimethink
I'm very thankful God created the "greater light" (Genesis 1:16) for us to live by and enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
Solar worship was (is) for primitive folk. They looked to the sky and thought the Sun was god. They didn't yet understand that the real God put it there, for our benefit.
this is 12 grader statement...Quote:
crimethink
New Agers would like to worship the giant fusion reactor, rather than the Engineer who created the giant fusion reactor.
the Bible and Light worship... Light... Sun... pagans were right, somehow. Without Light, no Life. Was the Bible adapted to pagan worship, so pagans would convert to Christianity easily? At the time paganism was in slow motion collapse.
I dont mind what people believe, sun, light... its all the same to me. To me only their intents do matter.
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John 8:12
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
John 1:5
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Ephesians 5:8
For at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
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http://www.openbible.info/topics/light
more and more people think this way however,Quote:
Originally Posted by crimethink
God is of pantheist nature
6.... 24.00%
I subscribe to deism but unspecific
5... 20.00%
eons come and go.... according to some the new age is dying already and being replaced with the Age of Aether.
CT, what do you make of figuratively "drinking the blood and eating the flesh of Christ" during a mass... yet you state that Solar worship was (is) for primitive folk ???
Too academically advanced for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
Worshiping the phenomena instead of the Creator. It's like the stupidity of thinking that frozen food comes from a machine, not a farm.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
Pseudo-"Christian" rituals and holidays are adapted from paganism.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
Different name, same shit. Crapped out by the Devil, and peddled by his followers.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
I'm not Catholic. You'll need to ask a Catholic.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
CT, you should start your torquemada-ish war on all other religions and belief systems instead... or going back to the roots of all religions, their history and more importantly the politics behind which dictates how and why they all have borrowed from one another, this to tell the same story in their own words, only their use of Numbers point to the obvious, same origin/source... yet humans fight this very fact and hate each other for this... I am holier than you... this is really childlike.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the Light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things
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so we have here God identifying Himself to 2 phenomenons, Light and Darkness... positive and negative... God is dual... dualism and non dualism are principles studied in philosophy and the main tenet of Buddhism... and people who got it, are called satanic new agers... ??? Indeed "divide and conquer" is here to stay.
Dude for sure, we are talking about someone/thing here that is incredibly Supernatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver
Most people in real life don't deal very good with the Supernatural.
You have quite the obsession with Torquemada. I suspect because he nailed Maranos (Jews who faked conversion to Catholicism). Of course, it is Marxist Jews who are the premiere experts at persecuting spiritual people, both Christians in Eastern Europe and Buddhists in China/Tibet/Southeast Asia. Tens of millions dead. You know that, but would prefer to go back 500 years to someone who exposed Jews instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
I attack New Age Luciferianism because it is purposely designed to destroy Christianity, and then, all civilized values. It is Cultural Bolshevism for spirituality.
I have no problem with Buddhism, Sikhism, or benign native traditions. They are incomplete, at best, but not deliberately hostile to God and His people.
I also recognize that Aryan Zoroastrians were the Three Magi who came to worship the infant King of the Universe.
You are erecting a strawman. I have not disputed dualism.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
People who subscribe to manmade ideologies the purpose of which is to "deconstruct," displace, and eradicate Christianity are Satanic New Agers.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
There is no sane purpose to unity with error or evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
"Unity above all" is of the same defective species as "diversity is our strength."
I am just not a new ager but a pantheist who has understood the nature of absolute reality and it is my understanding that provokes your anger. The result of a 10 year investigation into the meaning of power.
My beliefs are supported by math (and physics), a realization that I wouldnt trade for any dogmatic approach. If you have a beef with vortex theories and sacred geometry, that is your problem, not mine.
Actually if there is one-world-religious threat out there it is NOT new age but Math.
We all know that the NWO works at several levels, and anyone probing the roots of ALL religions will discover that it is Math the real threat to ALL man made beliefs , because Math makes it pretty clear, on the other hand parables are stretchable and subject to interpretations. Thousand years ago, it just was impossible to explain the math supporting Reality to the masses. And it still is...
No, CT, until you start understanding the math that is in the bible and/or any other religious texts, you and I will remain world apart.
I am looking forward to seeing in my life time the reunification of metaphysics and sciences... keep sticking to your admaic version of the bible and best of luck.
Anger? No, not anger. Disgust, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
You don't understand "absolute reality." To dare claim you do is to claim you are a deity.
I've been seeking Truth since I was a kid. Truth is far more important than power.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
No, they're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
I have a "beef" with your false perceptions that you actually have a grasp on what sacred geometry really means.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
LOL - math is no threat. God created it.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
We'll remain a world apart because you substitute New Age nonsense for facts & reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
They never were apart. Well, unless you subscribe to Mystery Babylon's "science."Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
Yes, I'll stand by the Great Scientist & Engineer, creator of all things.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
So you cant say you LOVE the sun but are thankful for it , how nice of the creator to put it there for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by crimethink
Instead you worship your religion which has the son as opposed to the sun..........................only difference is the sun is real and here today.
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They didnt understand the REAL god PUT the sun there for our benefit
..................well that was a waste of time wasnt it , after man wrecks this world god may have second thoughts next time.
The sun wasnt put there for us numbskull , man thinks he is so special and in bed with god , except god has other ideas, like the sun is there whether man is here or not, your religion is starting to screw with your mind CT.
My chooks enjoy the sun but of course god put the sun there for us and not them hahaha............
Its all about semantic in the end.Quote:
Instead you worship your religion which has the son as opposed to the sun..........................only difference is the sun is real and here today.
"I Am the Light of the World" John 8:12-30
CT cant even LOVE the sun because it may seem to be pagan or his warped idea of new age, instead he is thankful for it ...hahaha
I'm sorry you deny His existence and presence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
I'm sorry you think humans are not special. In this, you, again, agree with the New World Order criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
I wouldn't call true enlightenment "screwing," but thank God that my mind & heart are being filled with the things of God!Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
No Son = no Sun. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
dosnt quite sound like it. instead you are pretending to be good by learning the bible and attempting to emulate Jesus, its called fabricated in my books and by quoting all the stuff from others centuries ago you have become a second hand human, one that listens to others spirituality and taking it on as your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by crimethink
why do I need/want that , I dont .
My soul hasnt been stolen by a church , its still mine and intact.
You have a victim mentality. A persecution complex. What happened to you to bring you to this anti-Christian point? You see "the church" as this foreboding menace, in the same manner as "they" want us to fear ISIS or al-Qaeda. "The church" is your boogieman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
No earthly "church" has "stolen" my soul. Nothing on Earth can steal my soul. I gave it willingly to God. I have no use for state-licensed "churches" any more than you do.
This video just about sums up my views of why I am not a christian any longer. I am a rationalist... and faith is a gullibility.Also the fact that many christians are anything but christian in thier quickness to judge and condem others who may believe differently then they do.
http://youtu.be/0OCYhDFc42I
churchianity or christianity?
You have complete faith in reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic Rogue
Human reason is not infallible.
As the Salt of the Earth, we are required to discern good & evil, and explain or expose that which is wrong. Not to persecute, but to guide to righteousness. Unfortunately, most want to persist in malevolent behavior. Of course, those who do evil don't want to be told they're doing wrong, and scream persecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic Rogue
No I have reasonable expectations based on evidence and trust that has been earned. Nothing is infallible even with believe in a god. By believeing in a god you can pray all you want and things will never get better than they would have without prayer! Believing in a god doesnt make anything less infallible! You can spit in one hand and pray into another... See which one fills up the quickest!Quote:
You have complete faith in reason.
Human reason is not infallible.
LOL Who made you the salt of the earth? Is this some self appointed title or do you believe its god given? Same old BS ... Some people thinking that they know best how other people should live. This sounds a whole lot like the progressive socialists we have in Washington today! Just as I dont need government to tell me how to live and what is right ... I dont need any religious group or institution to do it either. This also smacks of judgement as you are judging what is righteous or good and evil! My morals do not rely on any beliefs or faith. They have been taught to me by my parents and my life experiences.Quote:
As the Salt of the Earth, we are required to discern good & evil, and explain or expose that which is wrong. Not to persecute, but to guide to righteousness. Unfortunately, most want to persist in malevolent behavior. Of course, those who do evil don't want to be told they're doing wrong, and scream persecution.
I think a lot of people don't understand prayer. It is not to bring benefit to oneself. You pray for others. Just like a body fixes itself if allowed, a person can do the same for the their whole. I pray for the ones no longer here that they aren't lost somewhere, or the ones who I'm worried might soon join them. I pray to say thanks that I got another day regardless of how much use I made of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic Rogue
You can't point to some thing and say that was Satan who did that. But you can point to some peoples acts and say they were satanic. Do you point to some thing and say that was god who did that or do you point to some people and say that was a godly act. A lot of people say there is not God because God let this or that happen. God doesn't act directly but through others, us. If it happens and it's evil its Satan using others. If there is not enough good being done then who's it down to? I think there are not enough people though which good is being done. I think the number of people doing good is growing quickly now. I'm hopeful.
Absolutely.
I have had and still going through an enormous amount of supernatural happenings that cannot be dimissed as random occurences or blind luck.
Very,very specific.
Since quitting drinking, I'm starting to get back to who I am, and I have this feeling that there was an angel on my shoulder that pushed me over the top to just do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Titan
So I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKP60Hl0kVM
As a pantheist, to me praying implies invoking an external entity/spirit/god, so I do not pray but just am in interaction with the Whole as much as I can, doing the best I can, try to resolve conflicts with others without getting too upset and to improve the way I convey my thinking, genuinely help people, when I am getting paid always give a little extra as money is not everything.... and more importantly forgive myself and take responsibility for what it is at my own level in action and speak of the mufti-layers deceptions whenever possible . When really needed, I meditate calling up my higher-self.
sorry to read about your worries, Glass, but just know there is no such a thing as death, its a transition.... and it is a ride that will blow your mind as your pineal gland will take over and release the necessary DMT to allow this fabulous journey into the Greater Reality, Fear is what causes evil in our 3D.... and we are here to learn about it :)
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the main purpose of water fluoridation is to calcify/neutralize the pineal gland, the center of consciousness in humans. To impede any psychic connection with Universe. It is pretty well documented on the net btw.
the poll so far... interesting.
God is the Christian God
11.... 40.74%
God is of pantheist nature
6... 22.22%
I subscribe to deism but unspecific
5... 18.52%
Where do you get that? It is still open. Anyone that has not voted can. You an only vote for one choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
I no longer go to a church because the church is all around me
he probably vote already and just forgotQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnQPublic
yes I saw this after writing my post... just forgot to edit my line... keep it open as long as possible :)
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Originally Posted by JohnQPublic
I could question that from a couple of perspectives:Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver
1. From the perspective of the ancient Churches (Catholic, Orthodox), Churches do contain sacred space. So the Church is really not all around you.
2. From the perspective of some protestant Churches, "The Church" is composed of its members. As the number of Christians dwindle, there are fewer around you.
But I still get what you are saying.
Below is a really good & quick read.... highly recommended!
GODS DEBRIS
http://nowscape.com/godsdebris.pdf
My recent experience agrees. A person can have faith, but until you experience things first hand, you really understand how real things can get. Very specific and very, very real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Titan
Spong claims to be a Christian, yet calls Jesus Christ a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
His beliefs:
Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.
Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.
The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.
The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.
The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.
The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.
Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.
There is no external, objective, revealed standard written in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.
The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.
From his, "A New Christianity for a New World"
Christ had Spong in mind when He said this: "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name....And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."