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Rangers set up wilderness base camp to continue Stevens search
September 15, 2017
By PETER CROWLEY - For the News (pcrowley@adirondackdailyenterprise.com) , Lake Placid News
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A 28-year-old New Jersey man still had not been found as of late Friday afternoon, and forest rangers have set up a backcountry base camp from which to continue the search over the weekend if necessary.
Deep in the High Peaks Wilderness, forest rangers from the state Department of Environmental Conservation are poring over the north side of Wallface Mountain for Alex Stevens, who was last seen near the base of that mountain on Sept. 2.
They set up a base camp at Scott Pond, on Wallface's north side. If Stevens was not found Friday, a team of forest rangers plans to work out of that camp Saturday and, if necessary, Sunday. Without having to be flown in and out of the wilderness area by helicopter, they'll be able to conduct longer search operations, DEC spokesman Dave Winchell said Friday......
http://www.lakeplacidnews.com/page/c....html?nav=5005
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Final update..... seems he was alive until 3 days prior to them finding his body. This is why leaving an itinerary is so important. He was 5 days overdue before he was reported missing.
By Rob Jennings,
rjennings@njadvancemedia.com,
NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
A hiker from New Jersey found dead Monday after disappearing for more than two weeks in upstate New York reportedly died from pneumonia caused by exposure.
Alex Stevens, 28, of Hopewell, may have survived until three days before he was found, the local coroner and medical examiner told the Adirondack Daily Enterprise.
Alex Stevens
Alex Stevens (Photo courtesy New York State Police)
Stevens was last seen was by hikers Sept. 2 at the base of Wallface Mountain in the Newcomb area, according to New York State Police. He had planned only a three-day hike.
He was reported missing by friends Sept. 9 after he failed to show up in New York City.
Officials told the newspaper that a lack of food, the constant wet environment and the cold led to pneumonia.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...port_says.html
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Tumbleweed
^ I read a story like that in the past but I have no idea if there's any truth to it. I've never seen a UFO or a Bigfoot but I've heard stories of people who claim to have seen things like that and they sound credible. I'll be damned if I know if they really do exist. I'd have to see something like that to make up my mind and I've been out in the wilderness and I never saw anything unusual along those lines.
In this earlier post I mentioned I'd listened to some stories that sounded credible and I've come across one that was taken down and unavailable for a long time. Infrasound and government covering up what's going on are discussed.
This person who is interviewed seems to be an insider who has seen government emails or reports that are kept from the public on what's going on in national parks. I would suggest listening to these now if you have the time because they may disappear again. Part 1 is interesting and part 2 is even more interesting and probably most likely to disappear again sometime soon.
Listen and decide for yourself. I still don't know one way or another as I've said in an earlier post but I do wonder about these things.
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Another video of people who have vanished in the wilderness. There was a woman spoken of that vanished in the Shoshone National Forest in Wyoming in I believe 1997. I was in there in the 1980's Elk hunting with some friends. We were about 14 miles from the nearest road. We weren't far from Yellowstone Park where we set up our camp. One night something came into the camp and we were all in a 14x16 wall tent. I couldn't hear it because I'd already damaged my hearing with gunfire.
We had our rifles leaned up against a couple of posts with a bar across the top. I think there were seven of us and all the others could hear something prowling around outside. We talked about what we were going to do about and one of the guys just jumped up, grabbed a 45-70 and ran outside blazing away. When he got back we asked him if he'd seen anything and he said no but he emptied that 45-70 anyway. Must have scared the hell out of whatever it was because we didn't have any more problems with prowlers.
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Rusty West has some stories for Halloween.
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Volume 22 of Rusty Wests Vanishing in the Wilderness.
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Rusty has some wintertime stories in this video. The last one is in South Dakota but I don't know where the school is that's mentioned in the story. I'll have to inquire about that. The land east of Rapid City is flat or rolling hills with deep canyons in places. It also gets in to the Badlands and Pine Ridge reservation where some of it gets pretty rough.
I've got a hunch it could be in the vicinity of Red Shirt Table. If you do a search for "Red Shirt Table photos" in South Dakota you'll be able to see what kind of country it is. It's national grasslands and indian reservation. I don't seem to be able to post a link to those photos.
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Monty thanks for posting those pictures. It is rough country and a lot of cattle disappear in the western part of this state. I listened to that audio while I was eating my dinner and posted it then went back to work. The more I thought about that story the more I had to laugh.
That story has to be fiction. No cowboys I've every been around in this country talk like the author of that story. The author is no cowboy. There is a lot of big open unfenced country in the badlands and on the reservations but his wording when he said they started off looking for cattle was wrong. When they got to the school house he said they tied their horses up to a rock (haha). No body here I've ever known has tied there horse up to a rock. When he said they came down the stairs in the school he said they had their fingers "heavy on the triggers" (haha). I had to laugh again when I was thinking back about other things he said in the story this afternoon. The indians do talk about seeing bigfoots on the reservations but I don't know too much about that but I have heard some stories.
Lots of cattle get stolen on and off the reservations and thats a regular occurrence and has gone on for years. I can post an older story about some of it. It's old but nothing has changed that I know of on that subject on all the reservations here.
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/loc...0ae82ed27.html
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people do stupid stuff, also do not do their homework, so yes nature is a total bitch if one is not prepared for it, or are just idiots.
Darwin is a very happy reaper.
Fact!
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Rusty West has vol. 23 out of missing people in the state and national parks.
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Wormhole?
A firefighter who went missing from the slopes of a ski resort in New York and sparked a massive search was found six days later on the opposite side of the country, still wearing his ski suit.
Constantinos "Danny" Filippidis had been out on an annual trip with friends and colleagues in Whiteface Mountain in the Adirondacks in New York state when he disappeared.
He turned up in warmer weather in Sacramento, California, nearly 3,000 miles away, where he contacted the police and gave his name, saying he had been missing from New York
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8212586.html
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I live adjacent to the largest cluster of National Forest in the lower 48 states so I naturally find this interesting. I can't comment of the pattern of missing shoes other than the lack of media coverage it gets. I will say that it's quite common for National Park and National Forest officials to deny the existence of large predators in areas where they are sometimes seen and reported by individuals.
I live directly at the southern end of that cluster. I can see grand teton pk from my house. There are stranger things out there than the lg predators we know about. Theres a particular area north of togwotee for instance... things of a very dark nature.
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Ten 411 cases from "Swamp Dweller".
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JDRock
I live directly at the southern end of that cluster. I can see grand teton pk from my house. There are stranger things out there than the lg predators we know about. Theres a particular area north of togwotee for instance... things of a very dark nature.
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=6441
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1411
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A story from the "Land between the Lakes".
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Grew up in the shadows of the Mountains in my state and spent countless days in my youth camping, fishing, and hiking all over in my favorite canyon. The canyon entrance was only five minutes away from my home by car, but provided immediate relief from summer heat and more importantly an endless opportunity of exploring with friends and cousins around my age.
As I got older, I still did a little fishing and camping, but focused more and more on exploring the interconnected trails that brought me encounters with elk, moose, deer, and just one time with a cougar who was standing on a buck my brother had shot. I can’t forget that moment emerging out of the trees to be face to face with a grown cougar who seemed to sense that we were tracking the animal he had claimed. The cougar was chased away, we risked our neck because I didn’t want to shoot this magnificent animal and we sort of improvised with yelling, rocks near the animal, and making ourselves appear bigger while both holding loaded guns. Kind of a moment of wills, but a bit dangerous in more mature hindsight. But the cougar is just a side note.
In my 30’s I started hiking a trail that was near the canyon’s primary fishing reservoir, because I enjoyed the seclusion, the physicality and the view on top was unbelievable. In all my years hiking I can only identify this trail as a moment where i experienced something strange. Of course listening to Rusty forced me to comb through memories of anything odd, similar in any way to themes in these disappearances.The hike itself began in a heavily visited campground just above the reservoir. I normally had a partner, but this time just my Ridgeback, backpack filled with emergencies for most foreseen problems, and cellphone and loaded 9mm and .22 handguns. I couldn’t hike without a loaded gun after the cougar.If you’ve raised a dog from puppy, you will understand when I say I recognized my dog acting bizarrely about halfway up the strenuous climb. He was agitated, growling, and completely different than I’ve ever seen him.
The trail is a continual zig zag of switchbacks due to a massive elevation climb. On one of those blind switchbacks a man who looked completely out of place, no backpack, dressed wrong for a hike, appeared out of nowhere and sent my dog into a frenzy, the dog normally loved all people and was accustomed to encountering all types of people on hikes. I immediately reacted and turned slightly so the gun on my hip was visible, and this man suddenly moved by quickly without responding to my measured pleasantries and I noticed a large knife tucked in the small of his back as he moved by. He had been sitting on the blind area and was waiting. I realized then how evident it is on a whole different level to recognize someone looking to do you harm. I’m glad I was observant and prepared.
Now, the strangest part of all occurred when we made it to the very top that day. I didn’t mention the top of the mountain offered a massive boulder field, with huge granite boulders, some as massive as a trailer that provided a nice place to climb, lay down, and enjoy the warmth from the boulder and the view. However, as my dog and I entered the boulder field a strange sense of agitation and anticipation started to build. I could hear a small herd of deer tromping and crashing through aspens, but staring and using binoculars revealed nothing. And then this cloud of silence enveloped that boulder field, where sound seemed sucked away, the sun had lost its luster, and even moving was more difficult. My dog who never leaves my side was suddenly gone and the intensity of this stressful moment grew and I kept thinking about the guy on the trail for some reason. I noticed how much darker it seemed to get by the moment and I couldn’t tell you how long this impending dread lasted, except for saying too long.I knelt down and was more aware of the slightest rustle than ever in my life, while my eyes strained to see anything in this darkened stillness. In an instant the sun returned, the sounds of an active forest, my dog, and an immediate u-turn as fast as we could down the mountain and back to my truck. I never hiked that trail again.
Just last month, I believe on Halloween or the day prior I saw online that a younger man 20,s or early 30’s had gone missing on that exact trail. He was someone in phenomenal shape, a trail runner, and usually extremely prepared for all conditions on the trail. He was looking to trail run the top 100 peaks in the state and this peak was close to his 85th. He was no rookie. He had the same number and gender of children I had when I had my final hike on this trail. And he literally had disappeared on what is an impossible trail to lose your direction on a single up and down that maintains your view to a busy campground and reservoir below. Now, once you’re on top and through the boulders, you can go many different directions, but the article read that he was just planning on an up and down. I believe there was initial weather (snow) that made the search a bit more difficult. They found the man about a week later deceased and never disclosed too many details. I can’t help but believing he was somewhere in that same boulder field as I was years back. I feel badly for his young wife and children.Sorry for the novel. Be safe everyone!
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A Montana man disappears. Case Study 7 by Rusty West. I think as one of the commenters has said "he was taken by surprise and against his will".
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Long, but interesting.
This isn't about missing in the wilderness. The first three cases the guy talks about are dead DOCTORS!!
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ziero0
This isn't about missing in the wilderness. The first three cases the guy talks about are dead DOCTORS!!
The video is germain to this thread. Most of the disappearances happen in the wilderness.
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woodman
The video is germain to this thread. Most of the disappearances happen in the wilderness.
Not saying it isn't. Just he starts with doctors, then with German physicists. Good video overall. I didn't know there were personal locator beacons available. Another choice is aircraft band two ways
https://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cm...2&isArchived=0
Not inexpensive but all airlines monitor 121.5 mhz for emergencies.
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...rbine-on-guard
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I thought it pretty good but have not finished it. I have a problem with long videos, especially since they constantly stop and load.
Interesting to note that in West's videos and this one, the common thread running through it all is that they know something is happening that is not understood. The way these people disappear and are then found (if they are found) either so far away that they could not have gotten there by themselves, or they are found where the searchers had already been and no way could have been missed. Often there is no discernable cause of death and the coroner sometimes makes one up down the road to smooth things over.
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In that video they say "No one with a firearm or PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) has ever vanished".
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Three stories of hunters that disappeared but later their remains were found in Montana, Oregon and Wyoming.
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Three more hunters stories.
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More stories that are strange but interesting.
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Here we are, a year and a half after this thread was started, and another possible explantion of why all these people were found with their boots off.
Here and now 2019, many of us have become aware that the information age is over and the fake news age is upon us. I'm not saying they are, but we also have to consider that every one of these stories were made up.
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I'm not saying they are, but we also have to consider that every one of these stories were made up.
Youtube will ban them because they are conspiracy theories that may be offensive to someone.
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Youtube will ban them because they are conspiracy theories that may be offensive to someone.
Only if they are true. But the same entity puts out a lot of alex jones fake conspiracy stuff, too.
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Missing over 3 1/2 years now....
3 years later, search ongoing for missing hunter
MISSING: Not a sign of Thomas Messick Sr., not even his rifle, has been found
https://www.pressrepublican.com/news...dbd6847f9.html
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Rusty did a case study of a girl who had been mentioned in one of the previous videos. It's more in depth than the short story in the previous video. A lot of years have passed and the only thing they ever found was the lens cap off her camera.
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Note the way Obombya's Secretary of Interior answers the question about keeping a database of missing persons in National Parks at 57:17 in that video. Looks hinky to me.
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midnight rambler
Note the way Obombya's Secretary of Interior answers the question about keeping a database of missing persons in National Parks at 57:17 in that video. Looks hinky to me.
^ I noticed that too.
At about the 1:32:00 mark they interview a woman who does search and rescue with dogs. The story she tells is really odd. A child is missing for three days in the winter time in South Dakota and they find her in a fog with no cloths on and alive.
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Tumbleweed
^ I noticed that too.
At about the 1:32:00 mark they interview a woman who does search and rescue with dogs. The story she tells is really odd. A child is missing for three days in the winter time in South Dakota and they find her in a fog with no cloths on and alive.
And her speculation was "she may have curled up with a coyote." As if. lol
