Here's another good one:
The Sandy Hook Massacre: Unanswered Questions
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Here's another good one:
The Sandy Hook Massacre: Unanswered Questions
Interesting. Didn't someone run the plate on that vehicle and confirm it belonged to the Christopher Rodia? i think they did meaning the stuff about the radio transmissions and different cops calling in different plates is meanlingless.
The green car with bullet holes I think is explainable. On the radio feed you can hear the office arriving and reporting that two men are running and shooting. You can also hear 2 shots and they are some distance away from him so it is not him firing. I'd guess there was a short exchange of gun fire in the parking lot before the 2 guys did a runner to the woods.
I'd like to know how long after the event was first called in was the helicopter footage taken. There are a lot of vehicles parked, no vehicles moving, no crazy traffic jam of vehicles trying to get in like cops and other responders. Everyone is there, parked and milling about so it seems the footage is from sometime after the event was called in.
interesting to know radio reference has more audio on this. I'll have to take a look. I also thought the helicopter footage was interesting because there is digital transmissions being made. You can hear them on the helicopter footage. I wonder what is being transmitted there. Maybe it's the footage itself, maybe somethng else.
Well ok, but the problem also is that Rodia's car was photographed in the News to be Lanza's and the plates to belong to Rodia, so no I do not yet buy that Rodia was not somehow involved, possibly just his car was used.
This is like the JFK Murder aftermath at light speed with current technology they can throw out dozens, hundreds of false trails to go down that will eventually cause most people, after these false pieces of evidence are proven false, in the publics head, if one is false they all are in the past this has been the case at least.
few item's from Tracy's blog, he was on No Lies Radio Jan 12,
Sandy Hook: Unanswered Questions _ on Anti-War Progressive Teach-in | NO LIES RADIO
edit: this is a replay of Tracy's Guns & Butter radio appearance
Taft Union High School Drill Becomes “Real Life”
Tracy's blog points to these from Rappaport,
How TalmudVision will shape the new gun-culture in America
What government fears most: blacks and whites united with guns
Charles Giuliani & guest spend most of today's show deconstructing Prager's appearance on Barrett's show,
Truth Hertz with Charles Giuliani 2013.01.16
Guest Greg in Seattle.
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more whining from Anderson Cooper
http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.ht...harassment.cnn
Anderson Cooper and the two others in this video appear to be part of the hoax. Never mind the facts, you have to believe us because we are the MSM. Would the government lie? Would we lie? Please, if those conspiracy theorists managed to turn your brain back on, turn it off. You know that thinking for yourself isn't healthy.
Cooper must be desperate. They can see that people aren't buying their BS any more, and asking questions. And it freaks them out. Bravo!
Hatha
CIA Spokesman Anderson Cooper Sent by Masters to Discredit Independent Sandy Hook Investigations
here's a vid embedded above, it's a longer version of the clip at the CNN link in reply 966, just more of the same faux 'righteous indignation' shtick from AC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaQwpqnnhm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaQwpqnnhm4
ok guys, I have an extremely paranoid alternate theory of what's actually happening. I'm mainly posting this just to get it on the record.
It's possible that the shooting was real but intentionally made to look fake. It could be a false hoax. Once a truth movement is built and is really going strong, they could then release all of the hard evidence. The pictures, security footage, names, autopsy reports, etc. Everyone would feel horrible (it wouldn't be their fault though because evidence was withheld).
Why would they do such a thing? To shatter people's faith in each other and themselves. It would be very similar to the comet Elenin thing - hyped, perhaps intentionally, then nothing. People will be extremely skeptical about any other comet story in the future. It's no different than the silver market. They artificially pump up the market sometimes so that silver bugs panic and buy, then they not only remove the artificial support, but then perhaps artificially depress it so that people really have their confidence shaken.
The other thing is that, once the fact that the "hoax" is destroyed, the question of whether it was a false flag will then never be able to be discussed. Because "the hoax theory has already been debunked, you despicable person" even though that fact would have nothing to do with whether it was indeed a FF.
Why did I come up with this extremely paranoid theory? Because this whole thing seems to have so many problems it's hard to believe they really tried. Chad has given some conflicting reports. And also, as I mention, it's not unheard of to actually pump up then crash 'the alternative' (whether doom dates or metals prices).
With this theory clearly articulated beforehand, if it does come about, we can come back and point to this to prove that we were indeed not out of our minds, but were simply rationally responding to evidence presented to us. We aren't simply making conspiracies up as we go, as would seem to be the case if we later claim it was a "false hoax but still a false flag" if they purposefully hold back the evidence while purposefully giving false evidence, then at a later date release the real evidence. It's neither our fault nor improper thinking or behavior if they were to do such a thing.
Anyway, carry on...
Alls they need to do is release a photo of the bloody up inside of the school, you're correct.
Thing is it still wouldn't deny all those second shooter claims & video in the woods. Inconsistency in initial reports.
My thought is its all just to let intelligent folks know that they are no longer needed in this society, or The Priests have assumed control.
^ not a novel theory at this point vacuum, I've heard it & variations of it spoken about in numerous podcast discussions, etc. Three "The Ugly Truth" personalities (Glenn, Piper, Tillawi) did a joint radio show where they unanimously discouraged "truthers" from taking the "sandy hook bait". Outspoke S.H. skeptic Jim Fetzer was also on through more than half the show, but was nary allowed to complete a sentence without interruption. The podcast's reviews were almost unanimously negative in comments by dedicated reader/listeners, myself included. More on that here: #955
lol, look at this comment on youtube on the video horn posted....this comment was made 5 minutes ago. Good stuff.
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1) Mass shooting does actually occur
2) Deliberately misleading reports & red herrings dispersed by media
3) Conspiracy theories propounded to account for the red herrings
4) Left to boil until conspiracies are rife and widely discussed (nearly 10m views here!)
5) Conspiracy theories are officially proven wrong, red herrings shown to be coincidental
6) Media reports how damaging the conspiracy theories were for the families
7) Fresh attempts to censor the internet
Attack on 1st amendment?
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If they did........it would be a FIRST in the History of FF's
Which is Highly unlikely because you are under the assumption that the adversary cares enough about you to defeat you strategically.
I submit to that they do not.
Why would I use a scapel when a simple Sledge Hammer will suffice?
911 was the greatest failure in the History of integellence yet was any person brought up on charges?? Hell nobody didnt even lose their Job.
So why you think they put that type of effort out is a tad bit hard for me to accept.
But i must concur that the possibility does exist.
I've been trying to make sense of the Sandy Hook puzzle, and, while I haven't found a grand-unified theory which explains all the oddities that have been documented, I think I've found a way to stick a few of the pieces together to make a partial picture.
My assumption is that a shooting actually happened at the school, although the question of who conducted it is largely left open.
Let's start this story shortly after the shooting. The police have arrived, the first reports start to filter out. At 11:34 AM the police on the scene issue a statement that that the shooter is dead, and they found a Glock and a Sig-Sauer on him. Since even the dullest cop could tell the difference between a floor littered with .223 brass and one littered with handgun brass, the fact that only handguns were mentioned strongly suggests that there was no AR involved.
When this story of a tragic school shooting hit the news, members of the White House's “Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste” team (shortened to NWAC hereafter) would have started to buzz with excitement. They were planning a gun-control push for Obama's second term, and the timing of this shooting seemed perfect. They would have immediately started considering how to put this crisis to best use.
By 1:57 PM an “Anonymous federal law enforcement source” who claimed to be “in contact with authorities on the scene” was leaking info to CNN. This suggests to me that the NWAC team were in contact with police on the scene, had decided to become the conduit for information released about the shooting, and had basically taken control of the incident.
Many of the early details the NWAC team leaked turned out to be wrong: The Ryan / Adam mix-up, for example. These guys are political hacks, not detectives, and they were getting raw intel from the scene and releasing it without vetting. Probably someone ran the license on the car, decided it couldn't be Nancy, found records of a son Ryan and jumped to the conclusion it was him. The nice thing about leaking info anonymously is that you never have to take the blame for it being wrong.
At 3:54 PM, the NWAC team leaked to CNN that a Bushmaster was found on the scene along with the Glock & Sig-Sauer. Now, it isn't remotely credible that it took police four and a half hours after searching Lanza to realize that he had an AR in his pocket that they'd missed. The NWAC team had decided they wanted an assault-weapon involved, since the first item on their gun-control agenda was Diane's ban: so they simply inserted one into the story.
That evening after dark one of the networks was tipped off to send their helicopter by the school, where the cops put on a show of discovering an “assault weapon” in the trunk of the shooter's car by flashlight. I suspect this was directed by the NWAC team to inject an additional gun into the story, or was perhaps an after-the-fact effort on the part of the locals to explain the extra gun they were supposed to have found. At that point in time they don't seem to have firmed-up exactly what they wanted or were going to claim with regards to the guns involved: they just knew they wanted an assault-weapon.
At 7:05 the next morning, Lt. Vance was on ABC's Good Morning America, and was asked:
ABC: “Three guns found on site?”
Lt. Vance: “We haven’t discussed that as of yet, but, uh, in excess of three guns”.
So, the number of guns found on the site was something that was slated for a discussion that hadn't been held yet: in other words, it was going to be a political decision.
Later that day, Lt. Vance had his discussion with the NWAC team. They decided that it wasn't enough for an assault weapon to have been discovered: it was to be the weapon used for the murders.
At some point that day, I'd guess early-afternoon, members of the NWAC team took the Medical Examiner, Dr. Carver, aside for a little talk. Although he wasn't enthusiastic about it, they eventually prevailed upon him to falsify his testimony and claim that an assault weapon had been the murder weapon. It was just a little lie, after all, and it was for the children....
I suspect that Dr. Carver's cooperation was secured shortly before his 3:45 PM press conference, as it explains some of the oddness of his presentation. His opening remarks about how he hoped this wouldn't come crashing down on them makes a lot of sense in this context: he was worried that the assault-weapon hoax would be discovered.
Once the questions started flying, Dr. Carver realized that he hadn't been briefed on important details like the caliber of the imaginary assault weapon that he was supposed to blame, or even what type of weapon it was supposed to be (details that wouldn't occur to the anti-gun political hacks of the NWAC team). This is why he hemmed-and-hawed and wouldn't answer the caliber question, and finally settled on the phrase “the long weapon” to describe the murder weapon: he simply didn't know these details of the story he was supposed to tell, and was afraid that any specifics he might give would contradict whatever the “official story” was supposed to be.
When a reporter stated that they thought the AR had been discovered in the car, Lt. Vance pipped up with a “That's not correct, Sir”. Note that he didn't volunteer to say where it had been found, since they hadn't worked that out themselves (and still haven't, as far as I know).
At this point, they were committed to the lie. That commitment explains a lot of other things about this case: why no one can be allowed into the school, why there are no pictures of the physical damage, the closed caskets and the story of the victims being shot multiple times in the head to explain them. Any evidence that would contradict the .223 story has to be suppressed: and that is pretty-much all the physical evidence.
The only actual physical evidence that I've seen was a car with a couple of .22 caliber holes in it, which had been removed from the school grounds before the photos were taken: so it could have picked up those holes after the fact. The owner of that car was dead, so who would object?
Shortly after the Medical Examiner's performance, the NWAC team realized that their story was starting to spin out of control. They responded by clamping down on all info, getting a court-order sealing the evidence, and letting their media-whores know that they should “move-on” with their coverage.
This theory seems to me to be a good fit for many of the facts of this case. It doesn't explain the strangely-acting parents. It strongly suggests that the NWAC team didn't make the shooting happen, since if they had they could have made it happen the way they wanted rather than trying to warp it into what they needed after the fact. Other than that it doesn't place limits on the shooter & shooting: so perhaps there is an intersecting conspiracy to unravel.
To test this theory would require some access to physical evidence, or eyewitness testimony. There would be a number of cops who would know the score. If I were the parent of one of the slain children, I'd demand an independent autopsy.
Well, this business sure adds weight to the expression, "It's all smoke and mirrors."
This is a possibility but even if this was the plan I don't think it would work very well. The conspiracy theory doesn't hinge on just one or two vital pieces of information.
Most of us aren't saying that the whole thing is a hoax. Just that it is a false flag and there are a lot of discrepancies and weirdness surrounding the official story.
If they were to release video footage from the school that actually shows Adam Lanza in action (which I highly doubt they have.) That doesn't destroy all the other confounding evidence. What about the bad acting? What about the guy arrested in the woods? What about the Victoria Soto face book page? What about the Donation pages? What about the news article that quotes the dead principle? What about the reports of no rifle, 2 handguns, 4 handguns, rifle found in car, rifle found in school, Ryan Lanza did it etc?
I can't see how they could possibly explain all these things without raising the question of how and why all this false information was released and allowed to circulate for so long.
I think they are stuck with the narrative they cooked up at this point.
I think this is very possible. One thing I've already noticed is that they see that people are looking into this closely and slowly over time they have tried to explain away some of the questions. For example, they now say that Adam wore earplugs in response to many saying that an autistic person would never do a shooting like this because they are sound sensitive.
They now say that he was wearing a fishing style vest, NOT a bullet proof vest in response to many questioning why one would wear one and then shoot themselves.
They now say that the person in the woods was just an off duty cop from another town. (nothing to see here folks, move along).
They are desperately trying to counter the "wacko conspiracy theorists" but I don't think it's working.
I won't be surprised if they do release something more solid soon, video or photos but at this point I think they've already lost so much trust that it's going to be tough for people to believe anything from them.
This is why people need to keep a level head, and stick what is known instead of immediately flying off into the unknown. People start acting irrationally, it becomes contagious, and it escalates out of control. Next thing you know everything is fake, and nothing was ever real.
The thought has also occurred to me that it's a massive psyop to finally and forever discredit and destroy 'truthers'.
The fact that search engines are now showing/anticipating 'sandy hook hoax' etc. searches so well along with the matter of the 'truthers' 'hoax' going viral (the woman who cuts my hair was telling me about how her daughter's boyfriend was all over the Sandy Hook hoax thing reminds me of the story of the elevator operator giving out stock advice to people at the end of the stock market bubble in '29 - this woman I'm referring to had also 'bought in' when she's someone I wouldn't necessarily expect doing that) gives me an indication that it may be a setup.
When the Death Cult pulls off a large operation they always have it as multi-purpose to accomplish more than one goal.
Agrippa's analysis above is excellent. It conforms with my experience of the behavior of political bureaucrats, and how they weave agenda driven stories. This analysis explains the behavior of the public officials disseminating 'information'. but it falls short of explaining the behavior of the 'next of kin' of the people killed.
I have a few observations to make and questions to ask. First, how sound is the assumption that an actual shooting took place and that people were actually killed? I ask this because of the suspicion that the parents of the kids who were killed were actors. We have Jennifer Sexton Greenberg posing as the mother of one dead child. She was also an actress in the Gaby Giffords shooting. And then we have Robbie Parker, the father of Emilie giving a third rate performance. And the others who were a little too cheerful to be in mourning for their lost children. And Adam Lanza's strange emergence from several years of absence from public view? And how many people knew Noah Pozner? Also, why did we not see any children being evacuated from the school in the helicopter videos? Supposedly there were more than 400 kids in that school. We saw only one still picture of a few kids being led somewhere, and that picture could have been taken at any time in the past.
You are being generous, Agrippa, to assume that the NWAC team latched on to this crisis after the fact. How could the actors like Robbie Parker show up so fast? They must have known about this long beforehand, and that means somebody planned the whole incident, organized, staffed, coordinated, and controlled it. And why was there DHS/FEMA training going on in Bridgeport about 20 miles away on the 'needs of children in crisis situations' on the exact day and time of the incident? Did the NWAC team arrange that on the fly? No. That was planned months in advance. This is a full blown psy-op. Planned and executed by some hard core psycho/sociopaths and popular mythmakers. Not a casual individual random shooting by a lone crazed gunman.
Hatha
Someone should ask Cooper the pooper snooper if he believes there are any government cover-ups and conspiracies.
Do you believe the official JFK story?
Gulf of Tonkin cover-up?
9/11, building 7 just fell, pentagon hit?
Fast-n-Furious cover-up?
Benghazi cover-up?
Banker bailouts were in the trillions?
election/voter fraud?
secret societies?
Nixon Watergate?
Iraq war, weapons of mass destruction?
Osama Bin Ladin death?
Freemasonry/illuminatti?
Clinton's murders?
Holohoax official story?
Wall Street and government in bed?
Libor fraud?
Obama eligibility, birth certificate legit?
Mortgage fraud cover-up?
NWO is real?
secret assassinations of US citizens?
If you believe any of these were conspiracies or cover-up's, does this not lead one to believe there are more?
I personally believe the children were killed. I do not believe the official story.
As "nice" as it would be to see this, can you imagine how much worse the hysteria would be if they plastered photos of dead kids with blood all over the place in the media?
The anti's would have gone completely insane.
If they really wanted to ramp up the gun grab to stellar levels put all kinds of carnage pics out there.
Little arms and legs, partially covered by bloody blankets. Easy enough to do. Gives pause for thought.
TUT blog is continuing their campaign of distancing from S.H. "CTs",
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Mask of Zion Report Jan 17, 2012 Posted by crescentandcross in Uncategorized on January 17, 2013
http://theuglytruth.files.wordpress....if?w=432&h=383 In yet another barnburner of the Mask of Zion Report, the one and only Jonathan Azaziah addresses the nuances and dangers of the “Sandy Hook truth movement” before delving into the newest Zionist wars of aggression on Mali and Algeria before signing off with a heartfelt tribute to the martyrs of the Aleppo University massacre in Syria. A brilliant and important program.
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BREAKING NEWS–NO PHOTOS OF DEAD BODIES AT AURORA, COLORADO SHOOTING
Posted by crescentandcross in Uncategorized on January 17, 2013
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USA...fb7b67cdb10c81
An exhaustive study of the internet has uncovered the fact that there are NO PHOTOS of dead bodies, blood, bullet holes, etc, that would prove that the massacre at Aurora, Colorado (said to have been perpetrated by James Holmes, pictured above) in fact took place.
Given that this is one of the ‘proofs’ being used by ‘Sandy Hook Truthers’ to prove that the massacre in Connecticut in fact DID NOT take place (and which has now become the subject of ridicule by the JMSM) what we are forced to conclude is that the massacre in Aurora, Colorado also did not take place, and is all part of a huge conspiracy on the part of Israel to propagandize Americans into giving up their guns.
UPDATE–AN EXTENSIVE STUDY OF THE INTERNET HAS ALSO UNCOVERED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO PHOTOS OF BLOOD, BULLET HOLES, ETC, THAT WOULD PROVE THAT THE MASSACRE TAKING PLACE ON UTOYA ISLAND, NORWAY DID IN FACT OCCUR. ANDERS BREIVIK IS AN INNOCENT MAN.
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Lest We Forget–Mossad ‘Death Squad’ Killed the kids at Sandy Hook
Posted by crescentandcross in Uncategorized on January 17, 2013
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ed note–Again, let us ask ourselves the following question–When Foxman, Schumer, Dershowitz & co read articles such as this, what is their initial reaction? Fear? Anger? Panic? …or laughter??? Read the rest of this entry »
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Why Sandy Hook Massacre Spawned Conspiracy Theories
Posted by crescentandcross in Uncategorized on January 17, 2013
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Meet the Sandy Hook truthers
Posted by crescentandcross in Uncategorized on January 17, 2013
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This is astonishing. Google is censoring search trends information on sandy hook!!! Can other people please verify this is indeed the case?
https://www.google.com/trends/explor...y%201-m&cmpt=q
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...6&d=1358476739
I got that google result a couple hours ago, but assumed they had momentary bad data or something- but checking the link again now, same result. I still think bad data- the notion of goog 'censoring' it fails the smell test- they'd know such censoring would explode across the blogosphere.
Well then how come when the first search term is replaced with a dummy, the data indeed shows up? And it shows it's exploding:
https://www.google.com/trends/explor...y%201-m&cmpt=q
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...7&d=1358479833
Does anyone have a link to a credible tally of national deaths in the US. I'm looking for the number of US shooting deaths as it stands now. I get told all sorts of drivel about gun deaths. Everyone I meet has some statistic such as "since Sandy Hook there have been more than 900 assault rifle shooting deaths in the US". Clearly cobblers but I'd like to know where some real stats are that I can refer to.
don't know vacuum, but I'm sticking with bad goog data. Yes suspicious but I just don't think it's deliberate... maybe I give them too much credit but that would be a bumbling move, trying to censor trends results on words which are hot trends currently. I've posted that goog trends link at several blog comments past couple days- Prof Tracy's, John Friend's, grizzom... so that particular trends search itself has surely seen a rise in requests. So them deliberately 'censoring' it would be blatantly showing their hand. I know the bait is tempting but I say don't take it- they can turn proper trend data results back on like a switch.
Glass- FBI data is considered the official stats- don't know if they're real-time, or even real, in this Orwellian post-911 world.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...e-data-table-8
you may be interested in this new podcast posted @ grizzom, I haven't listened yet- desc. sounds like it's got a white nationalist theme...
here's another S.H. blog, haven't looked at it deeply, but the top articles seem reasonable.Quote:
Thursday, January 17, 2013
Australia Calling: Destroying the White Worker in Australia 2013.01.17
Derrick MacThomas Presents “Australia Calling.” On episode 1 you will be introduced to the following topic… One in eight Australians are now living below the poverty line, but instead of doing something about it, the government is giving billions in aid to Africa? Rise up white man! Rise up white woman! It is closer to midnight than you think. Remember to participate in our Radio Show Chatbox.
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You're right, it was a glitch. It's now working.
yes I see it's working now. Nice the way "...hoax" has now exceeded "...shooting", with "hoax" about half (47%) of what the peak was on the Sat Dec 15 peak. Here's the 90 day view, just for the Dec 15 peak,
https://www.google.com/trends/explor...y%203-m&cmpt=q
Mouse-over the graph and a data window opens for each day.
found this in the YT channel run by the same guy who has that 30 min vid with nearly 11 million views. This ones just 2-3 days old, over 89K views. Demonstrates convincingly that in the pre-shooting Parker family photo, Emilie was photoshopped in. 5.x mins
Sandy Hook Exposed - Fake Photo Revealed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtp_A4Q_EAg
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Sandy Hook Exposed - Fake Photo Revealed
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ORIGINAL PHOTO AT 1:40 IN THIS LINK http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=23494208
Thanks to "EnterThe5t4rz" for exposing the obvious "Parker Family" photo editing. If you are not familiar with this family please watch our first video. You can see EnterThe5t4rz channel here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Enterthe5t4rz?feature=watch
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Enterthe5t4rz replied to a comment from Tony07UK 1 day ago
Yes, Tony, any Photographer worth their salt understands balance. Even at those cheap Mall places (which I doubt the Parkers ever had to go to) I remember as a kid them moving us into different positions to balance the photo. We never just got to sit where we wanted. This is what photographers are trained to do. In two professional photos, taken at different times we have the SAME glaring mistake.
mamboni asks: what is the significance of the girl being photoshopped into the old family photos?
If someone has a link to the hi res original photo, I will be able to confirm whether it has been photoshopped - it's very easy when you know what to look for.