I have heard That lucifer is Christ or viceversa not that I subscribe to it.
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I have heard That lucifer is Christ or viceversa not that I subscribe to it.
Gonzo, this is not meant as a personal attack.
If after seeing those M's&D quotes above, you still cannot see that the FMC is an admitted luciferian body of worship, I just don't know what to say. You are more intellegent that that.
Semantics such as "Nowhere does it say they worship satan" is below what I normally see coming from you. Satan is Lucifer, is Ba'al, is Moloch, et al.
Besides Ms&D, there are other highly touted masonic authors who admit crux of the FMC is luciferian worship. They use a lot of pretty wording and eloquent writing, but their message is simple:
Belief in Christ is superstition and silly, belief in Lucifer is reasonable and illuminating.
This is why it is so simple to understand that it is an attack on Jesus. You can't believe in lucifer without believing in God. This is why I always say to people: You may not believe in Christ, but the PTB certainly do. I have a number of friends that are in the FMC. They are all lower level master masons, blue lodge 3rd degrees for the most part. A few have gone further. I have approached the friends that I am clse with and expressed my concerns. As usual, they deny my allegations and tout whatever lines that a 3rd degree is told to tout, which is as always a lie that they believe.
I have bought multiple copies of a few different books and given them to people that I care about who are involved in the FMC, and none of them have read a single sentence from the books. The refuse to do any research on it, outside of kosher FMC writings, and they constantly use bullshit gobble-de-goop from their "emergency book" entitled "The pilgrims path, which is a laughable attempt at refuting proofs that the FMC is an anti-Christian organization.
So be it. The Father has his own plans for them.
The lodge even sent one of my old friends to visit me, under the pretense of "catching up" and "having a beer", but at the end of the night he made his true intentions known, which was to try and convince me that the FMC is not what I say is is, and that I should not believe the writings of Pike, Hall and others. Haha!
Whatever. Just last week I loaned Eppersons book to a co-worker. He set it down on the counter in the bathroom while he was in there, and when he came to the counter to wash his hands, it was stolen. Typical. So I have been praying that whoever has stolen it will read the book, come to their senses, and return it to me.
Anywyays, I got off track, but yeah: The FMC is an satanic cult at its core.
Where did you hear something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by cthulu
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Originally Posted by Awoke
I am not a christian. I've read the bible all the way through (KJV), and wouldn't be opposed to believing, IF I could manage to do so. As of yet, I cannot. Every since I was a child I thought the God of the Bible seemed way too human and limited.
Yeah, masonry is "luciferian"... But that doesn't necessarily equal devil worship. Anyone who says they "seek light" could be said to be "luciferian".
Pike and Hall et al make a lot of references to Light and Truth. That's where the "luciferian" stuff comes in; Lucifer means light-bearer. Satan means adversary. They don't talk about Satan, and don't often talk directly of Lucifer. I'm pretty sure they don't believe in Lucifer as an entity; to them, Lucifer is merely a symbol of Light, Truth, Knowledge. I don't think they believe in Satan as an entity either.
The masonic notion of God is all-encompassing. There is nothing outside of God. Good and evil are both part of God and God's Design. The masonic god is the same as the kabbalist's "Ain Soph". Any notion of God without limit is the God of masonry. The notion of good/evil being flip sides of the same coin is a somewhat dangerous notion, which is partly why the ancient mystery schools hid their beliefs from the mainstream... Unfortunately, the "secrets/mysteries" fell into the wrong hands (Modern Freemasonry), and lower masons are used by those at the top to further their agenda(s).
So, in my opinion, the hierarchy and structure of organized freemasonry is bad or evil, but some of the ideas they hold are not necessarily bad (though they could be used that way by unscrupulous people).
Sounds like you're on your way to "illumination", brother.
I know you don't believe in Jesus, but the masons and the rest of the conspirators do. Be careful.
Last time I will say it: Satan is Lucifer. Lucifer is Satan.
LOL, you don't have to worry about me joining a Lodge or anything! I still gag when I see masonic regalia/symbols on peoples' cars and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke
But I do not fear Truth.
I know Theosophy is not popular here, and I am no Theosophist, but I can't knock their motto:
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"There is no religion higher than Truth."
I realize that world government/NWO/communism/all that shit is being run essentially by "luciferians", and I by no means support that, but there is some truth to SOME of their beliefs. They just try to use their beliefs to justify doing things that honestly good people wouldn't or couldn't do. They figure the end justifies the means.
"It'll all work out in the end"... that's something I agree with the "lucies" on... except they think the "working out in the end" is a worldwide, totalitarian communist government that they run.
I know that the "working out in the end" is their eventual downfall.
Letting someone else flip that coin for you, is even more dangerous.Quote:
The notion of good/evil being flip sides of the same coin is a somewhat dangerous notion,
The notion of original sin, is the death of the human race.
google "christ is lucifer". there's plenty of references. The notion that lucifer is the devil or satan or that 2000 years ago someone was named "jesus christ" are both absurd. I'm just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke
That is not truth, you seem to be years behind on your reading and clueless on all this,Quote:
Originally Posted by sirgonzo420
and that's coming from a friend of yours.
I have posted a lot on all this and you never bothered to counter what I post.
They believe in black magic and all sorts of other sick beliefs.
That symbol you have no problem with is a black magic symbol of power to the sick minded.
They play with numbers too and kill people using them.
They corrupt history and attack important Western leaders, promote aliens,
one world government, promote nonsense and jibberish based on nothing
but their own fantasies.
That is their truth that you are for you are saying ?
Masonry and " theo sophists " overlap and did so on gim as well promoting an agenda on there.
They are anti Western and can be accurately described as Oriental Depostism, their beliefs.
Total anti thesis to Western Ideas and Philosophy and through deceit work to destroy from within.
" by their works ye shall know them "
Did you ever bother to read my accounts of confrontation with skyvike and goldisimma ?
It's very revealing.
You can't be Pro West and believe in this shit. They are not.
They seek to destroy White Western Christian European Man.
It's all Jew bullshit. All of it, Pike one of the leaders.
Even on SF they get outed strongly, some of the best threads I have ever seen.
What Masons say, and what they do are two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirgonzo420