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Cool thread, Gaillo. I am with Old Herb Lady when she says that intention matters. I also agree with you that the givers do benefit from giving if they are honest with themselves about it.
The way I see it . . . giving for the purpose of getting good karma is not ideal. Giving for the sake of giving, for a smile, to make someone happy . . that's awesome. If you happen to feel good and benefit from the receiver's happiness, there's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think a karma lift is supposed to be the primary goal.
I can't imagine not having any ego at all. The thought of it makes my head spin. If it exists, it's got to be a very peaceful way of existence.
Check out the last paragraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunshine05
Karma
A type of spiritual debt or credit we accumulate ourselves, which is embedded in our soul energy field. This soul energy imprint biases probability to attract payback experiences, ones that compensate for the choices made in the past. If the choices were to help others in need and thereby assist freewill and balance, that brings one positive karma and perhaps in the future one will be helped in return. If instead one has chosen to hurt others who were innocent, that creates imbalance and violation of freewill, and that brings corresponding repercussions.
The difference between karma and fate is that fate arises from decisions made outside linear time, and karma from decisions made within linear time.
Karma is fundamentally about learning lessons. One learns through positive action that as you help others, so are you helped. It’s a rewarding teaching mechanism in that sense. And one learns through negative action that as one hurts others, so are you hurt, in order to understand the consequences of your actions. Negative karma can be resolved by discharging the soul imprint through forgiveness and understanding. Karmic experiences can be prevented by understanding their core lessons before they are attracted.
It follows that karma does not exist for two types of individuals: spiritless humans for whom it serves no purposes since any lessons they receive dissolve along with their consciousness upon death, and highly STS individuals who are on a negative evolutionary path and have no need for a corrective mechanism that teaches them to be ‘good.’ Thus the world is full of seemingly wicked people who never receive their comeuppance. Karma is not a moral thing, but an evolutionary catalyst for those who need it.
How is it possible to make decisions outside of linear time? Any decision you make has to occur at a particular time. Then time moves on and you make another decision. How are they all not linear relative to each other?Quote:
Originally Posted by vacuum
I never believed in Karma. Hey if what goes around comes around, what do we need cops, laws and courts for? Criminals will be punished anyway, right?
I see it as just another feel good philosophy that has control value. The masses will behave better if they think there are consequences to their behavior.
Our rulers are smarter than us and they aren't worried about Karma.
I agree Hoarder, I have seen it throughout my life, ruthless people who get away with everything living high on the hog, and the nice people who are trying to do the right thing getting screwed. I don't know?
Karma can only come from your reaction actions.Quote:
I see it as just another feel good philosophy...
Not slackers.
And protection rackets spend a lot of your energy protecting themselves from karma.
I think you are missing some of the karmic value stuff, although I will say loud and clear "Hoarder is one of the wisest and smartest" folks I have ever conversed with, he was instrumental in "waking me up"Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder
imagine you are a ruthless person, you cutthroat your way to the top, you have fame, riches, beauty (well paid plastic surgeons), and all the friends that money can buy.
the old lesson from Karma is be nice to the people on the way up, because they are the ones you will be dealing with on the way down. (thats part of it)
and the other one, is that lesson in life, "no pleasure from ill gotten gains"
A tyrannical ruler lacks judgment, but he who hates ill-gotten gain will enjoy a long life. ... A ruler with no understanding will oppress his people, but one who hates ... he is apt to prefer them who flatter him, and minister most to his pleasures
Karma is not always evident, Take O.J. Simpson, "he got way with it", but he lost all is fame (gained being infamous), lost all true friends and decent people in his life, and eventually got caught and sent to prison for something else.
Casey Anthony is another one, Karma is going to dish that young lady a whole bunch of shit, i can assure you of that, not only torment, but many bad things are soming her way.
part of dealing with Karma, is that the person so effected, does not realize he (or she) has stepped on a landmine.
if you could see, and avoid "bad karma", then it would not really exist.
O.J. thought he was "king of the world" after getting away with that horrendous crime.
The Rothschilds think they are "kings of the world", and then someone (not Al gore) invented the internet.
Israel thinks they are above the law,
Karma plays out, sometimes we see it, sometimes not, sometimes karma is getting what you want (fame, riches, power, etc), and it making you miserable (think of celebrity suicides)
Think back 10 years ago to public opinion on Israel, as compared to today (as more folks realize Israel did 9/11)
Karma,
Israel will not even see the Karmic Blow it will receive for all the mischief, misery, and mayhem it has inflicted on innocent folks...
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Hows that karma thingie working out for Tibet since 1959?
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