A Ouija Board is NOT good idea... EVER

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Originally Posted by Hitch

I think there is a lot of BS stories and people can have over active imaginations. That being said, I do believe these boards can be a tool for evil. I was raised in a very strict Catholic traditional household. We were told Ouija boards were tools for the devil. Both at home, and at Catholic grade school by the nuns, etc.

I remember going to the toy store as a child, and I'd grab a Ouija board and ask Mom if we can get one of these as a joke. She never saw the humor (sorry Mom).

For years I never really believed it though. I've talked to quite a few people about them over the years, and how they have had weird experiences.

I tend to believe it now. Not in my home will I allow one. I figure it's like the front door to your home, but a door to the spirit world. If you willing leave your front door open and invite any and everyone through, you don't know who is going to come into your home.

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I think Ouija Boards are bullshit...nothing but pieces of plastic and cardboard. Evil lies in peoples hearts and minds. If you summond that evil, it is not coming from a silly cardboard game.

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Originally Posted by EE_

I believe there is great wisdom written in the bible, but we know the bible has been rewritten, translated and edited many times. I also believe the bible has been subverted by a certain group of people to change the message for their own evil purposes.
Perhaps this is where you find your disagreement with it?

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Correct, there is no literal translation from Aramaic to English. The language of Jesus was Aramaic, the literal translation of the Aramaic word Sin to English means "to miss the mark" or "not on mark". The scriptures have been translated hundreds of times most go back to using the base language of either Latin or Greek, but even those are translations of Aramaic or Hebrew.

I do find great wisdom in the bible and do apply a lot of what it has to say. But I also look at other religions for guidance, Buddhism is good for finding inner peace and meditation.

I know enough to look around me and see that this world was created by an infinitely powerful being, if he/she/it wanted a religion it would make one and all of his creation would know about it, and not rely upon some chosen few to spread his word. Religion to me appears to be more of a product of human creation trying to explain or rationalize a being we couldn't possibly understand in this plane of existence. I won't fault anyone for following their heart in what they believe to be true and righteous. But what may be true and righteous to you, most likely will not be for another.

Which brings up an interesting point of irony when it comes to religion. God created man who as we all know as an individual in their own right with regards to thoughts, actions, wants, desires, needs, etc. Yet most religions say that they are the key to salvation, and that you must believe in order to be saved. The question then becomes, how do you get everyone to believe that?

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Originally Posted by Ares

Yet most religions say that they are the key to salvation, and that you must believe in order to be saved. The question then becomes, how do you get everyone to believe that?

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Maybe everyone is not meant to believe. Not everyone is meant to go.
The train is too crowded now...

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EE, while I'd agree with you, (dark) magic is also a ritual, and objects/symbols are needed to focus on the intentions.

However I do believe that channeling gift (yes this is not a curse) is much more widespread in humans than we think. But since they do not have a clue about it, they could harm themselves. The evidence lies in all the enslaving corporate symbols around us. "they" pretty well know that the majority of people are psychic, hence this war on human consciousness.

Nothing is neither completely good nor evil, if the right Knowledge is assimilated. That why most religions ban divinatory practices, while they are themselves mega faith spyops (trust only our scriptures, the others are evil :) )

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Originally Posted by EE_

I think Ouija Boards are bullshit...nothing but pieces of plastic and cardboard. Evil lies in peoples hearts and minds. If you summond that evil, it is not coming from a silly cardboard game.

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Originally Posted by EE_

I think Ouija Boards are bullshit...nothing but pieces of plastic and cardboard. Evil lies in peoples hearts and minds. If you summond that evil, it is not coming from a silly cardboard game.

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Yeah, they are all plastic and cardboard that's it. However, you can make one and apparently people believe it works. I tried to do that at a small party, to make a point that they are BS, and people seriously started freaking out.

I think it's the act of using this method that is the summoning. You could use anything, really, if you wanted to.

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Originally Posted by EE_

I think Ouija Boards are bullshit...nothing but pieces of plastic and cardboard. Evil lies in peoples hearts and minds. If you summond that evil, it is not coming from a silly cardboard game.

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Originally Posted by Hitch

Yeah, they are all plastic and cardboard that's it. However, you can make one and apparently people believe it works. I tried to do that at a small party, to make a point that they are BS, and people seriously started freaking out.

I think it's the act of using this method that is the summoning. You could use anything, really, if you wanted to.

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Many objects have a meme build up in them. As only one example a candle is only wax and a wick yet think of all the things associated with a candle - it's a very powerful meme and EVERYONE gets it at some level however dimly that realization may be (pardon the pun).

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Originally Posted by singular_me

EE, while I'd agree with you, (dark) magic is also a ritual, and objects/symbols are needed to focus on the intentions.

However I do believe that channeling gift (yes this is not a curse) is much more widespread in humans than we think. But since they do not have a clue about it, they could harm themselves. The evidence lies in all the enslaving corporate symbols around us. "they" pretty well know that the majority of people are psychic, hence this war on human consciousness.

Nothing is neither completely good nor evil, if the right Knowledge is assimilated. That why most religions ban divinatory practices, while they are themselves mega faith spyops (trust only our scriptures, the others are evil :) )

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Anything is possible as sure as we are standing here. I have had experiences where I've willed things to happen, both good and bad. It's not something I can control, it just happens some times.
I'll give you one funny example: I was running a project at USC Riverside and time was running out to complete, I threatened to summond a earthquake to buy more time. I was in front of a group when I raised my hands to summond it.
This was late in the day...the very next morning the building shook pretty well. It was probably 16 hours after I did this.
Now the reason I did this was because I did it a year earlier on a different job in San Diego. The Job super was pressuring me to finish in less time. I threatened him back that I would will something to happen to a large shipment of electric glass that was coming in that day, very large panels of glass. Not even three hours had passed and I was approached by an angry super telling me a large gust of wind out of nowhere blew some of the glass over destroying it.
I felt bad about it, said I was sorry and to not fuck with me again.
Now just think if someone was more in tune to this kind of power, what they could do?
The people that were there, gave me that woah look as they begged me not to do that again.

I guess you tapped into that faith of a mustard seed and told the mountain to move EE.

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That's pretty wild, EE. I've had some small things happen, good things, but nothing like that. A few days ago, I was wide awake around 3:30 or so in the morning after having a bunch of powerful dreams. I crawled back into bed, had to get up at 6 to go to work. Forgot I left a wind open and the heater off. It had been warm earlier, but cool down significantly.

It was cold in bed, and I wondered if I should get up and turn on the heater and close the window. Said, screw it, need sleep even a bit cold sleep. Fell deep asleep instantly. Woke up at 6 am nice and warm, and rested. Heard the heater running. The heater had turned on while I was sleeping. The window was still open however.