I have watched the trailer and read this this thread
I am puzzled: so earth is the center of the universe despite the fact that we have pictures of galaxies/milky way?
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I have watched the trailer and read this this thread
I am puzzled: so earth is the center of the universe despite the fact that we have pictures of galaxies/milky way?
No problem, we see them because they are imbedded and part of the crystal sphere, that we are in the center of.Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
Everything in the sky revolves around us, we are in the center of everything!
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What do pictures of the galaxy/milkyway have to do with it? Interestingly, the signals embedded in the CMB are aligned to the ecliptic (the plane the planets travel around the sun) and the equinoxes (i.e., the earth), and NOT the galactic plane (which is substantially different). This is part of why Lawrence Krauss said (in 2005): (my emphasis)Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
"But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe. The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is [s]imply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales."
Maybe not.
Of course a lot of people in 2005 thought it was likely instrument error, and they all looked to the Planck satellite, which had a much better design to be sure instrument errors would be eliminated, to referee. Note that Krauss interviewed in 2011, as did Kaku, and many others (2011-2012). The Planck results were released in 2013. Oops. No instrument error. Oops, what did we say during those interviews? Yikes!
http://youtu.be/U6_adWD5H-s
I edited quite a bit this morning.
Maybe what the claims of principle documentary could be applicable to just any celestial object? The point of view of the observer being unique and the only one that matters in The Whole In One perspective...Quote:
That would say we are truly the center of the universe. The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe
in a way I can agree with that, but coming from another concept as I subscribe to the Whole Being One, and The One Being The Whole. In this theory, though, there is no center per se as everything is. Could the principle movie prove that Pantheism (the belief that the universe or nature as the totality of everything, God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations) be scientifically correct ?
If so, there is nothing new, this teachings have been around for at least 5000 years. And I believe this to be the only One World Religion threat vs Monotheism which regards God separated from his creation. Pantheism is endorsed by the new age movement, hence why new age is tagged as evil. There is nothing new with Pantheism... this new age label has no legs. But I surely can understand why Abrahamic faiths feel threatened, especially Judaism as it is the starting point.
does goecentrism claim that earth is unique, we are alone in the Universe?
The signals embedded in the CMB are uniquely aligned to earth. They are not aligned to the Milky Way or any other cosmic object or objects. Having someone like Lawrence Krauss say what he did means it is pretty significant. Max Tegmark, Dagan Huterer, and others have echoed this sentiment. Krauss' tendency is to bash anything smacking of the possibility of a God. Ultimately he is a scientist, and if he sees overwhelming evidence for something, he needs to be honest and state it (and to his credit he did in this case). Of course, (I suspect) he expected that the Planck satellite would demonstrate that the signal was an artifact of instrumentation or scanning errors in WMAP (as many scientists did expect, and in fact some labored to design Planck to not have these issues based on analysis of what could have caused false readings), but alas, Planck not only confirmed the observation, but practically eliminated the possibility of instrumentation or scanning error. This is very big (at least as big as the universe, likely even bigger ;) ).Quote:
Originally Posted by singular_me
so john are you saying every thing that we have been told about the world and the stuff around us is all a lie are just wrong ?
The picture of the universe that we have been presented is not what the universe is. What we see and do in our daily lives is totally unimpacted by this fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver
Please overlook my relative ignorance on this subject, but would someone more knowledgeable please explain this in concrete specific terms and not philosophical, or consequential?
What I am wondering is exactly what was the CMB measuring? What was the Plank satellite measuring? (What is CMB)?
As I always understood the ecliptic, it is the plane on which most of the planets revolve around the sun (Pluto's orbit is a bit outside that plane), even though there are small differences in the planar angle for each of the orbiting planets. Then the plane in which the earth rotates is about 18 degrees (I forgot that exact number) off the ecliptic - right? Then there is the plane on which most of the stars in the milky way are orbiting (very slowly) around a galactic center. Are they saying that the galactic plane is different than the solar system plane? And what did the CMB (and Plank) measure that leads them to conclude that "the earth is the center of the universe"? That sounds like poppycock, since we already know the earth orbits the sun, and the sun orbits the galactic center.
If anyone here can get right to the specific details of what they were measuring and why, and how they jumped to whatever conclusions they are making that are causing such a fuss - please advise.
Thank you so much, whoever wants to pin this all down in simple, concrete terms.
Start here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrylynnb
https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-special-place
https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/8b99ee2d3466
https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/26f88f17a732
https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/3aea2f3ed819