Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
Most everyone thought it stupid from day one. 3 Percenters and Oathkeepers stayed away.
This guy who is now dead:
Publicly declared he would not be taken alive.
Didn't peacefully surrender and live like the other guy when stopped.
Instead sped off...crashed into the roadblock...hopped out flailing his arms as shown in the video above.
:rolleyes: not murder...clearly suicide by cop
So where was the weapon at? In order to justify a killing cops should be in "fear for their life". At least that's how it used to be 25-30 years ago. Now you can be executed for "flailing his arms" apparently.
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
http://memecrunch.com/meme/93XQK/uh-...here/image.jpg
So Midnight Rambler...when are you driving to Oregon with your AR-15?
:rolleyes:
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
According to the report (given by the FBI) the gun was found in his pocket - so they never saw him brandishing a firearm. If he wanted to go down shooting, he would have made sure to at least draw the gun when he had the opportunity
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Ares
So where was the weapon at? In order to justify a killing cops should be in "fear for their life". At least that's how it used to be 25-30 years ago. Now you can be executed for "flailing his arms" apparently.
I consider you an intelligent guy Ares.
You forgot about him speeding away from a traffic stop...crashing into the roadblock with a woman in the vehicle ..after publicly declaring that he would not be taken alive.
Would you have done that or would you have peacefully surrendered and LIVE like the other guy five minutes before.
:(??
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
I consider you an intelligent guy Ares.
You forgot about him speeding away from a traffic stop...crashing into the roadblock with a woman in the vehicle ..after publicly declaring that he would not be taken alive.
Would you have done that or would you have peacefully surrendered and LIVE like the other guy five minutes before.
:(??
Saying and doing are two different things. Does that justify every person who runs from the cops getting executed? What's the point of a judicial system if the cops are judge, jury and executioner right on the spot of your arrest?
At the most I saw was fleeing police, and resisting arrest. I did not see him charge an officer, and I also did not see him brandishing a weapon. If LaVoy had pulled out his hand gun I would of agreed the cops were in the right to shoot.
You have to remember, it would not of mattered if LaVoy pulled his gun as the cops already had their weapons trained on him with their fingers on the trigger. So the amount of time it would of taken for LaVoy to reach into his pocket, pull out his gun and start aiming at officers he already of would of had every one there shooting at him. THAT would be suicide by cop.
What that video was and still is, murder by the state.
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Ares
Saying and doing are two different things. Does that justify every person who runs from the cops getting executed? What's the point of a judicial system if the cops are judge, jury and executioner right on the spot of your arrest?
At the most I saw was feeling police, and resisting arrest. I did not see him charge an officer, and I also did not see him brandishing a weapon. If LaVoy had pulled out his hand gun I would of agreed the cops were in the right to shoot.
You have to remember, it would not of mattered if LaVoy pulled his gun as the cops already had their weapons trained on him with their fingers on the trigger. So the amount of time it would of taken for LaVoy to reach into his pocket, pull out his gun and start aiming at officers he already of would of had every one there shooting at him. THAT would be suicide by cop.
What that video was and still is, murder by the state.
Believe your own eyes Ares and stop listening to our shrill keyboard inciter Midnight Rambler. Both Bundys and the others simply complied did not resist arrest and are now alive talking with their lawyers.
:rolleyes:
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Jewboo
Believe your own eyes Ares and stop listening to our shrill keyboard inciter Midnight Rambler. Both Bundys and the others simply complied did not resist arrest and are now alive talking with their lawyers.
:rolleyes:
I am believing my own eyes, I've probably spent 2 hours going through that video with a fine toothed comb zooming in as far as I can before pixelation renders the image / frame useless. I'm just going by what I see in the video. It looks like he got shot in the side and he's putting his hand on the wound.
Like I said I'll wait until I see the autopsy report to see if there is a bullet wound or not. If not I'll concede that it was not a very smart move to put his hands towards his pocket while police have their weapons trained on him.
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
Ares
I am believing my own eyes, I've probably spent 2 hours going through that video with a fine toothed comb zooming in as far as I can before pixelation renders the image / frame useless. I'm just going by what I see in the video. It looks like he got shot in the side and he's putting his hand on the wound.
Like I said I'll wait until I see the autopsy report to see if there is a bullet wound or not. If not I'll concede that it was not a very smart move to put his hands towards his pocket while police have their weapons trained on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU
Hi res 13-second video
Yes. He should have peacefully surrendered like the two Bundys and the others.
:)
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
We do not have enough evidence to know exactly what happened. True, he sped away from the cops, but running from cops itself is not a crime. He did swerve to avoid the roadblock, which is reckless driving, but not something justifying shooting. The real issue is what was going on as LaVoy was reaching to his jacket? What did the sniper coming out of the trees see, and what could he justifiably say he thought. The FBI and Oregon cops did set a trap, and knew they would be forcing them into a road block, so they do are responsible for the outcome. What a mess.
Re: 150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters
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Originally Posted by
JohnQPublic
We do not have enough evidence to know exactly what happened. True, he sped away from the cops, but running from cops itself is not a crime. He did swerve to avoid the roadblock, which is reckless driving, but not something justifying shooting. The real issue is what was going on as LaVoy was reaching to his jacket? What did the sniper coming out of the trees see, and what could he justifiably say he thought. The FBI and Oregon cops did set a trap, and knew they would be forcing them into a road block, so they do are responsible for the outcome. What a mess.
Actions have consequences or so the FED's like to say. But those consequences are only rendered on the common man more often than not.
