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sure but keep an eye on the big picture and try to see this nice little house amid the massive pollution of nature. If Nature is destroyed, we too... so all our inventions go ashtray by the same token. there is no act of God in this case ... yet... or wait... maybe ???
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Another nice thing about a basic income is that is stops the illegal alien bullshit real fast. Because anyone living in the country gets a lot of free money, so all of a sudden it's not a game anymore and there is no public tolerance for illegals.
Another thing it might inhibit is the addition of low income babies just for the additional welfare monies.Quote:
Originally Posted by vacuum
The best thing to do would be to tie it to an elective and rotating community service (politician placement included), along with making the program itself elective and slightly under a real living wage. Or to be viewed socially as a less than welfare stipend. Individual incomes above graduated bars receiving less and less in refunded benefit.
Oh wait, or is that getting too much like the U.S. welfare system itself, with its earned income tax refund?
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No, it is a start of a slippery slope. The initial won't be enough, so they will need moar!. Rising devaluation of their currency (inflation currency printing) will turn the value of their currency like drops of water in an ocean. Basically worthless.
Where does this free money come from? Are they taxing businesses and high income earners for it? Are the Swiss going to lease all of their man made objects to get some currency to then dole it out? What happens when that funny money is gone. Will they sell out all of their natural resources for a one time lump sum?
I don't see it working at all. This will give the proles the excuse to be even more lazy because they will still get their check. The proles will have no incentive to improve themselves.
I just stumbled into this article:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-10-1...considering-it
That's more than $30,000 a year -- for being a Swiss citizen. Pretty much guarantees no poverty in Switzerland. What if they all decide to veg out?
I would predict that the elite will torpedo this debate. They'll claim that this is a demonstration of the basic flaw in democracy--when the masses discover that they can vote to make the government pay benefits at someone else's expense.
Hatha
You could just go ahead and prove it. All wealth comes from the land. Divide up the land that is setting fallow and unused whether it is mined, farmed, range land, timber, lake etc. according to its potential productivity {the part be added by the citizen would be the work} and pretty soon the deliberate, gumptioned people would be wealthy and the lazy would be on the dole for fiat money that they would expect the producing {from their own land} people to be taxed to provide.
The commons would be policed by users {nereby} thereof. Money paid in to the system for infrastucture {building and maintenance} would be taxed out of existence = tax or use fee collected and burnt.
Anybody know the Startrek model? They did pretty good ;)
Sounds like what Henry George talked about.Quote:
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