Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
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Originally Posted by
Ares
The problem is most employers require a signed W-4.
And that stems from the employer not fully understanding what the W4 is all about. Hence why I look at the fine print on the back of the W4 (Paperwork Reduction Act) to understand the purpose of the form.
All employers believe they pay "wages" and they must have a signed W4 on file for the employee. They believe what they pay to their employee as compensation are these taxable "wages".
Problem with this belief is that they don't understand that its not their decision for the employee's to sign a W4....its the employees decision not the participate in Social Security to NOT sign a W4.
The government cannot pass any laws that force participation to any program where there are mandatory imposed taxes...Social Security is one such program. This is why you sign a W4 instead of the government just taking the imposition.
There are many court cases citing this.
And the kicker is the employer is also responsible for half of each employees SS taxes to boot for a tax thats not their legal decision for an employee participate in and is completely voluntary!
These CPA's they hire to do their taxes dont have a clue and are just as worthless when it comes to tax laws. All they do is file the taxes for the company..............and anyone with a half a brain can do that on their own.
CPA"s are stupid educated brain dead morons only doing what the are taught.....the real brains and intelligence is the person who can figure it all out and stop the madness. CPA's need everyone to be as stupid as they are to keep their worthless job.
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
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Originally Posted by
7th trump
And that stems from the employer not fully understanding what the W4 is all about. Hence why I look at the fine print on the back of the W4 (Paperwork Reduction Act) to understand the purpose of the form.
All employers believe they pay "wages" and they must have a signed W4 on file for the employee. They believe what they pay to their employee as compensation are these taxable "wages".
Problem with this belief is that they don't understand that its not their decision for the employee's to sign a W4....its the employees decision not the participate in Social Security to NOT sign a W4.
The government cannot pass any laws that force participation to any program where there are mandatory imposed direct taxes ..Social Security is one such program. This is why you sign a W4 instead of the government just taking the imposition.
There are many court cases citing this.
And the kicker is the employer is also responsible for half of each employees SS taxes to boot for a tax thats not their legal decision for an employee participate in and is completely voluntary!
These CPA's they hire to do their taxes dont have a clue and are just as worthless when it comes to tax laws. All they do is file the taxes for the company..............and anyone with a half a brain can do that on their own.
CPA"s are stupid educated brain dead morons only doing what the are taught.....the real brains and intelligence is the person who can figure it all out and stop the madness. CPA's need everyone to be as stupid as they are to keep their worthless job.
Quoted for truth.
One other point. Self-employed who participate in Social Security via W-9 pay 100% of FICA (15% of taxable income)
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
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Originally Posted by
monty
Quoted for truth.
One other point. Self-employed who participate in Social Security via W-9 pay 100% of FICA (15% of taxable income)
Direct or indirect taxes...the government cannot force anyone into a social program that has an imposition....period! And they dont!
Notice for all the programs out there including obama care....it takes your signiture?
A W9 is not a form for the self employed...all it does is verify that the participant in Social security, whether or not employed or self employed, can legally participate. It was designed to weed out illegals using fake credentials.
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
Examples of indirect taxes
https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small...yed/Excise-Tax
Excise Tax
Excise taxes are taxes paid when purchases are made on a specific good, such as gasoline. Excise taxes are often included in the price of the product. There are also excise taxes on activities, such as on wagering or on highway usage by trucks. One of the major components of the excise program is motor fuel.
https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Excise-Tax
Alcohol and tobacco taxes
http://www.ttb.gov/main_pages/schip-summary.shtml
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
I've been reading into trying to revoke your signed W-4 since it apparently is illegal for your employer to deny you being hired without giving them your Social Slave number and signing a W-4 if you don't want too. I'm not having much luck finding anything. But I'll need something to have an employer of 100,000+ people take me seriously without firing me.
Anyone have any documentation?
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
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Originally Posted by
Ares
I've been reading into trying to revoke your signed W-4 since it apparently is illegal for your employer to deny you being hired without giving them your Social Slave number and signing a W-4 if you don't want too. I'm not having much luck finding anything. But I'll need something to have an employer of 100,000+ people take me seriously without firing me.
Anyone have any documentation?
Ares if you are looking for official documentation from a government source you will not find any.
This is all hinged on you standing on your Constitutional Rights. The government has no obligation to show you what rights you have. That area is solely up to the individual himself. Its not a bad thing, but a blessing!
The first step I took to rid myself of the use of the SSN and the W4 was to write to the SSA. Once I had that letter from the horses mouth stating that participating in SS was completely voluntary I used it to show the employer.
I can show you step by step what I did if you like, but first before I go any further you need to write to the SSA inquiring your Rights and the voluntary nature of SS.
If you would write that up I can twink it for you to get the same response I did which was them admitting that SS is 100% voluntary.
What you are going to do here is educate the employer and do all the work for them so they dont feel like they might be liable for any taxes. Make them as comfortable as possible in that you are doing everything legal and legit.
The point I'm trying to make here is that you never want to go to the employer in such a way they will terminate you. What I did was make myself a desirable asset to the company by saving them tons of money by them not being liable for half of the SS from participating.
Are you in?
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
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Originally Posted by
7th trump
And that stems from the employer not fully understanding what the W4 is all about. Hence why I look at the fine print on the back of the W4 (Paperwork Reduction Act) to understand the purpose of the form.
All employers believe they pay "wages" and they must have a signed W4 on file for the employee. They believe what they pay to their employee as compensation are these taxable "wages".
Problem with this belief is that they don't understand that its not their decision for the employee's to sign a W4....its the employees decision not the participate in Social Security to NOT sign a W4.
The government cannot pass any laws that force participation to any program where there are mandatory imposed taxes...Social Security is one such program. This is why you sign a W4 instead of the government just taking the imposition.
There are many court cases citing this.
And the kicker is the employer is also responsible for half of each employees SS taxes to boot for a tax thats not their legal decision for an employee participate in and is completely voluntary!
These CPA's they hire to do their taxes dont have a clue and are just as worthless when it comes to tax laws. All they do is file the taxes for the company..............and anyone with a half a brain can do that on their own.
CPA"s are stupid educated brain dead morons only doing what the are taught.....the real brains and intelligence is the person who can figure it all out and stop the madness. CPA's need everyone to be as stupid as they are to keep their worthless job.
I would like to know of a way that I can keep my money instead of sending it to the IRS. Yes, the system is supposedly voluntary but from what I've seen, if one receives a check, instead of cash, there is no way to stop the Federal Mafia from taking their toll. They may let the occasional small-fry go but if they put you in their sights, they will take whatever they decide, through the crooked courts. I believe you said before that you pay zero income tax. I think that is a risky thing. I am all for it and I hope you can continue to pay zero, but from what I've seen, the deck is stacked against us all.
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
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Originally Posted by
woodman
I would like to know of a way that I can keep my money instead of sending it to the IRS. Yes, the system is supposedly voluntary but from what I've seen, if one receives a check, instead of cash, there is no way to stop the Federal Mafia from taking their toll. They may let the occasional small-fry go but if they put you in their sights, they will take whatever they decide, through the crooked courts. I believe you said before that you pay zero income tax. I think that is a risky thing. I am all for it and I hope you can continue to pay zero, but from what I've seen, the deck is stacked against us all.
Woodman I keep all my pay because I do not earn 3121(a) "wages" or 3401(a) "wages". If your employer is reporting income then that income is taxable. Only reportable income is taxable.
I'm perfectly legal and legit otherwise the employer is in for one hell of a law suit worth millions to me....untaxed millions at that.
Theres a lot you can learn from me and I have a lot to show you. I've been researching the tax laws now since around 1995 and the one thing all these so called tax guru's never looked into was the mechanism of reporting and how and why its reported. The key is "reporting".
Re: Mans Court case may have cracked open Fraud of D.C. Federal Jurisdiction
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Originally Posted by
7th trump
Woodman I keep all my pay because I do not earn 3121(a) "wages" or 3401(a) "wages".
Theres a lot you can learn from me and I have a lot to show you. I've been researching the tax laws now since around 1995 and the one thing all these so called tax guru's never looked into was the mechanism of reporting and how and why its reported. The key is "reporting".
Woodman: Notice that 7th Trump magically dismisses whatever he writes in "parentheses" as not existing. Are you going to also magically dismiss the "fines" and "jail" imposed upon you by following 7th Trump's magical thinking?
