High Ranking US Major General Exposes September 11 High

Lets not forget the testimony of the taxi cab driver of the cab pictured below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyQ0vVwjqc

The fact that there wasn't any appreciable debris is the case here.

See joboo, that there are no other scars on your light pole surfaces, other than where they are creased.

the crease was made upon other contact, on either end of the poles....as if falling to the ground.

Your case for jetliner striking those poles has failed miserably.

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Originally Posted by joboo

At least that picture shows the proper impact damage dimensions rather than the deceptive loose change tiny hole version.

Where were those spools beforehand? That needs to be determined. Were they stacked off to the side? There would be one heck of an air disturbance with a plane that size roaring in at 400+mph

Three of them are already in the position to roll easily. Were they all?

The look like they were off the the right and followed the air currents towards the impact hole.

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Joboo

Get some sleep and read over what you've written here tomorrow. Some things should be clear in the morning.

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Originally Posted by Horn

See joboo, that there are no other scars on your light pole surfaces, other than where they are creased.

the crease was made upon other contact, on either end of the poles....as if falling to the ground.

Your case for jetliner striking those poles has failed miserably.

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There are no scars eh? I see some pretty significant damage that you simply cannot cause with missile super thrusters.

What's failed even more miserably is your explanation for explosive air disturbance from some super high powered jet propulsion engine flying right above cars on a highway, and no one being killed by it, or cars being damaged by it.

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Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard

Joboo

Get some sleep and read over what you've written here tomorrow. Some things should be clear in the morning.

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If you can't establish where those spools were, then you really cant use them as proof of anything.

The premise is they were in the way right? How do you know where they were? If you don't know then it's ultimately not proof of anything.

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Originally Posted by joboo

What's failed even more miserably is your explanation

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I had no explanation, you are putting words in my mouth, as you accuse others doing to you.

This along with many other self masturbatory oversights creates an aire of wingnut craziness emanating from your corner.

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Originally Posted by Libertytree

The fact that there wasn't any appreciable debris is the case here.

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There was debris, and airplane parts found. Both outside, and inside the building.

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Originally Posted by Horn

I had no explanation, you are putting words in my mouth, as you accuse others doing to you.

This along with many other self masturbatory oversights creates an aire of wingnut craziness emanating from your corner.

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You made the statement that I don't understand missiles, and that some kind of final "big thrust" could have caused it.

You said it yourself.

The evidence does not show this would have been remotely possible without damaging a bunch of cars in the process.

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Originally Posted by joboo

The evidence does not show this would have been remotely possible without damaging a bunch of cars in the process.

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What evidence, were there some thrust vectoring calculations that were missed somewhere on thread?

Where's the bunch a cars?

Were you on the bridge with a bunch of cars that day?

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Originally Posted by Horn

Lets not forget the testimony of the taxi cab driver of the cab pictured below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyQ0vVwjqc

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That video is so misleading it's ridiculous. The guy doesn't remember where he was, or what happened. His recollection is all over the place. Then the guy leads him into saying it was planned "off camera".

Well yeah, the narrative is a bunch of terrorists planned the attack as was stated on TV for him 24/7.

This is all big to him....the pentagon...the big money guys, he's just a small guy driving a taxi, it was planned. Well yeah...he is stating the obvious.

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Originally Posted by Horn

What evidence, were there some thrust vectoring calculations that were missed somewhere on thread?

Where's the bunch a cars?

Were you on the bridge with a bunch of cars that day?

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Ok no cars would be on the highway right by the pentagon, during rush hour, on a Tuesday morning. Especially the ones hit by light poles, or all the witnesses there that said they saw the plane.

One scenario is much more likely and very simple (airplane...check.....fly it....hit building....done), while the other requires a ton of elaborate planning, evidence planting and tampering, witness fabrication, and ridiculous levels of near impossible obfuscation with people roaming around all over the place.....and, after all of that, you still have to corral a bunch of people from a plane flight, and go dispose of them somewhere along with the airplane on top of it all. Hmm...go crash it in the ocean, then collect all the floating debris? Dig a hole, and bury it? Go crash it in the woods somewhere, then clean it all up? Why not just crash it into the building?!? ....It's insanity.

This is why people hear this missile thing, roll their eyes, and the whole 9II truth movement takes a massive nose dive.

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Originally Posted by joboo

Why not just crash it into the building?!? ....It's insanity.

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The wall of the Pentagon is too hard (as in difficult to acquire, not hardness joboo) a target for a jetliner, a near impossible one.

Roof possibly, wall no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZ83lA8S5M

Federal officers are betting their lives that the flight paths differ from your downed light poles in this video,

so afterall your light poles prove the cruise missile's path.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Horn

The wall of the Pentagon is too hard (as in difficult to acquire, not hardness joboo) a target for a jetliner, a near impossible one.

Roof possibly, wall no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZ83lA8S5M

Federal officers are betting their lives that the flight paths differ from your downed light poles in this video,

so afterall your light poles prove the cruise missile's path.

Thanks.

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The video starts off as "NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT"

It's sensationalistic from the very beginning.

So far no proof of anything other than a Plane.

It has to be this grand ultra ridiculous scheme of elaborate perplexity to no end, when all they had to do was use the airplane already in the air flying towards it!

The most complicated far fetched scenario imaginable v.s. the simplest and most probable.

The real detraction from the perpetrators of this crime is people that insist on pushing this lunatic nonsensical truther angle, when nothing shows it to be a missile under scrutiny, and everything points to it being an airplane.

For the love of god, and everything sane in this world, stop doing it!!

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Originally Posted by joboo

The video starts off as "NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT"

It's sensationalistic from the very beginning.

So far no proof of anything other than a Plane.

It has to be this grand ultra ridiculous scheme of elaborate perplexity to no end, when all they had to do was use the airplane already in the air flying towards it!

The most complicated far fetched scenario imaginable v.s. the simplest and most probable.

The real detraction from the perpetrators of this crime is people that insist on pushing this lunatic nonsensical truther angle, when nothing shows it to be a missile under scrutiny, and everything points to it being an airplane.

For the love of god, and everything sane in this world, stop doing it!!

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It's only a distraction if you let it be a distraction. Most people in this thread who don't think it was a plane are not distracted, but rather they consciously understand they don't know what happened with certainty and are building up theories about what happened.

The only distraction comes in when someone attempts to force a consensus and/or has a problem with someone else asking questions.

Obviously the general public will have issues with possibilities that are considered fringe, but that is truly their issue, not the people who propose such theories. In an abstract sense, the need for an official story of any sort, a consensus, is where the flaw comes stems from.

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Originally Posted by vacuum

A conspiracy theorist recognizes (a) there is a continuum of possibilities, (b) the likelihood of anyone being completely right is almost zero, and (c) all theories are recognized to be possibilities, not certainties. The last one is what I think most people have problems with. Most people are certain about their personal view of the world, and therefore when someone says they believe some version of something happened, they transfer their personal certainty onto the person making the claim, and are shocked at what they find. On the other hand, from the other person's view, it was implied that their theory isn't gospel. They probably don't even totally believe it themselves! They don't expect the other person to take it that way.

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Originally Posted by vacuum

Most people have a difficult time understanding how truly different the two different cognitive processes described here are. Deductivists/subscribers believe they are already taking all possibilities into account, and that all the different spurious theories simply have no weight and are therefore largely irrelevant. Perhaps the simple answer is that conspiracy theorists just can't distinguish between relevant and irrelevant facts? It's much different than that. The fundamental attitude of a subscriber is that in order for them to believe something, change their conclusion, or even take the time to look at the details of a possibility, they have to be presented with evidence. They say “prove it to me”. They've settled on an essentially logical conclusion, and do not come up with alternate explanations beyond that point unless compelling evidence is presented to them.

On the other hand, the “conspiracy theorist” never stops asking questions. Even when they are pretty confident they know what really happened, they inevitably question the official story – their personal official story. They are driven by the fact that they don't really know what happened.

Truth is not a right; it's a great privilege only gained by a few through hard work and brutal self honesty. It's immature to expect things to be proven to you. When one recognizes his abject ignorance, truth seeking then becomes a desperation. Instead of asking something to be proven to him, the ignorant should seek out those who he suspects know more than him and beg to be taught. Only those who hold unquestioned premises have the luxury of taking a passive role, everyone else must either take an active role or choose to be ignorant.

Continually asking questions, looking at the possibilities in every context, looking at the possibilities of those possibilities, and questioning one's own personal official theory is indeed a distinct feature of abductive reasoning. Over time, petabytes worth of information will be gathered, creating unforeseeable connections and patterns that the deductivist just cannot see, because he stops asking questioning once he has come to a conclusion. Further questions must have “proof” which may itself require these petabytes of information which they are lacking.

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http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...iracy-Theorist

All the evidence points to it being an airplane, It's the simplest most coherent, and likely reality, and everything indicates it was under proper (not loose change pictorial style) scrutiny.

You can try to twist that, but ultimately you can't escape the parameters of the equation just by thinking about it.

As far as I know, thinking about physical realities physically changing does not make them actually change physically.

The human mind has no such magical powers that I know of.

Hahahahaha....what ever jobo!
No skid marks of giant titanium engines in the grass or one piece of titanium found from the Volkswagen size jets.
No impact of these two giant titanium jet engines where glass windows are not shattered!

I was born at night, but not last night.
Go back to that cave you came from.
If you want to demonstrate your stupidity you don't have to go into such great detail.

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Originally Posted by joboo

All the evidence points to it being an airplane, It's the simplest most coherent, and likely reality, and everything indicates it was under proper (not loose change pictorial style) scrutiny.

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I am, personally, relatively ignorant about this whole thing. I never researched it, haven't read all the replies in this thread, and have not reviewed all the evidence. I have not watched one video on this topic which tries to prove one thing or the other. I haven't seen all the pictures. I've never piloted a plane.

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You can try to twist that, but ultimately you can't escape the parameters of the equation just by thinking about it.

As far as I know, thinking about physical realities physically changing does not make them actually change physically.

The human mind has no such magical powers that I know of.

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Either you didn't read, or didn't understand, my first quoted paragraph. I claim uncertainty, which bothers you.

At this point, for me, having done almost zero research, my guess is that it probably wasn't a plane. (Does that statement bother you?) When, and if, I devote time into doing the research, my guess might change and I'll be a little less uncertain. The kicker is that the only way I can become less uncertain is by investing the time and doing the research myself. I'm glad you are more certain than I am, and I appreciate that fact. But your certainty can't translate into mine. That's not twisting reality, in fact it's the opposite.

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Originally Posted by joboo

Far away foam covered pics does not mean there wasn't debris. Anything impacting the building will cause debris...which is why I find Steel_Ag's video very inconsistent re: no debris.

When you slam an airplane into a brick skinned container (building) at over 400mph pretty much all of it is going to end up there. There was debris all over the place. To say there wasn't needs to be immediately followed up with some ideas of when did they plant so much of it without anyone noticing?

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/p...tcollapse1.jpg

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My position on this Pentagon situation is similar to #138 of this thread... "That crime being a complacent Pentagon, and its tiny hole in a wall."

I made no claim to the veracity of any video or link in this thread.

And, I'm still galloping in April. I'll pick up some some pickled red herring when I get there. Uncertainty if some will be there? Well, like Vacuum, it doesn't bother me.

Executive summary for the latecomers:

1. Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, not a passenger jet on 911
2. Government shills still working OT trying to sell the absurd and unprovable passenger jet conspiracy, 12 years later.
3. Shills will never mention the the very unique and special qualities and contents of the specific small portion of the Pentagon destroyed by the cruise missile on 911.

911 was an inside job. Only the ill-informed, the mentally lazy and the paid propaganda shills puppet or believe the official government story of 911, the most absurd and improbable conspiracy theory of them all.

http://rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY-gmzxnaVshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY-gmzxnaVs

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Originally Posted by 7th trump

Hahahahaha....what ever jobo!
No skid marks of giant titanium engines in the grass or one piece of titanium found from the Volkswagen size jets.
No impact of these two giant titanium jet engines where glass windows are not shattered!

I was born at night, but not last night.
Go back to that cave you came from.
If you want to demonstrate your stupidity you don't have to go into such great detail.

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Everything you just said is what a victim of Loose Change is.

The propaganda of that video programmed your mind. You saw some random pictures with no time stamps, and now you're convinced of something.

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Originally Posted by steel_ag

My position on this Pentagon situation is similar to #138 of this thread... "That crime being a complacent Pentagon, and its tiny hole in a wall."

I made no claim to the veracity of any video or link in this thread.

And, I'm still galloping in April. I'll pick up some some pickled red herring when I get there. Uncertainty if some will be there? Well, like Vacuum, it doesn't bother me.

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Your witness said there was no debris....which is not true from the above photo. Was she lying?

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Originally Posted by vacuum

I am, personally, relatively ignorant about this whole thing. I never researched it, haven't read all the replies in this thread, and have not reviewed all the evidence. I have not watched one video on this topic which tries to prove one thing or the other. I haven't seen all the pictures. I've never piloted a plane.

Either you didn't read, or didn't understand, my first quoted paragraph. I claim uncertainty, which bothers you.

At this point, for me, having done almost zero research, my guess is that it probably wasn't a plane. (Does that statement bother you?) When, and if, I devote time into doing the research, my guess might change and I'll be a little less uncertain. The kicker is that the only way I can become less uncertain is by investing the time and doing the research myself. I'm glad you are more certain than I am, and I appreciate that fact. But your certainty can't translate into mine. That's not twisting reality, in fact it's the opposite.

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It doesn't matter how much you've researched something. If there's physical evidence showing something, an opinion to the contrary becomes increasingly less valid the more evidence there is, and vice versa. It's how the court system works, and how crimes are solved.

Are you trying to say a guy holding a gun who just shot someone, with a witness to it, and a body, with fingerprints all over a gun, standing right over the body, with DNA evidence all over the place is innocent because you believe he was holding a sandwich? At some point the evidence shows some conclusions are not only wrong....but literally insane.

All the missile hit the pentagon idiots are doing is fabricating the most unlikely scenario out of some kind of secret conspiratorial fantasy love affair of what they want to believe instead of what actually happened, and what all the evidence is showing.

They were fed disinfo from a documentary called loose change, then someone they looked up like their hero ...Alex Jones...who literally preaches like a cult leader...drove it all home for them upstairs.. They are stuck in a cult mentality, and can't even see it.

Anyone that has bothered to read what I've posted in this thread, and still insists it was a missile, is bordering on insanity.

There's simply no other way to put it. This is the very mindset that has derailed the 9II truth movement right into the dirt by getting it labeled as a bunch of tinfoil loons.

It happened again with Sandy Hook, and the fake Obama photos. I saw it for what it was, and took the time to research it. Not too many others did.

Most of the same people arguing with me over that proven nonsensical baloney are arguing with me here as well.

Something upstairs for them has been programmed to repeatedly form immediate conclusions without any legitimate evidence. It's a cult mentality method of thinking started by Alex Jones.

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Executive summary for the latecomers:

-Loose Change programmed my mind.
-I love Alex Jones.
-Missiles are cool they can do anything...it's like magic.
-I have no idea...but it was a missile...because they are cool....and they go zoom in the sky, and are cool!
-I like Turtles
-I can count to potato

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That sounds crazy. I don't believe you.

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Originally Posted by joboo

That sounds crazy. I don't believe you.

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FYI, it is extremely uncool to alter quotes of other members. You're really working overtime trying to piss people off and start arguments. Only a psychic vampire would stay here to feed off the negative vibes you're getting bombarded with. I can't believe all the time you wasted in this thread alone in defense of a government lie. You are pathetic and lost.

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Originally Posted by mamboni

FYI, it is extremely uncool to alter quotes of other members. You're really working overtime trying to piss people off and start arguments. Only a psychic vampire would stay here to feed off the negative vibes you're getting bombarded with. I can't believe all the time you wasted in this thread alone in defense of a government lie. You are pathetic and lost.

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It seems very important to joboo for some reason

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Originally Posted by joboo

That sounds crazy. I don't believe you.

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Now you resort to making stuff up that others so called wrote...............this is called lying and manipulation and if you can do this sort of thing why would anyone believe anything you say

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Originally Posted by mamboni

FYI, it is extremely uncool to alter quotes of other members. You're really working overtime trying to piss people off and start arguments. Only a psychic vampire would stay here to feed off the negative vibes you're getting bombarded with. I can't believe all the time you wasted in this thread alone in defense of a government lie. You are pathetic and lost.

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What's pathetic, and lost are people that insist on forming conclusions based on skewed evidence (aka loose change lies) despite being shown otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Serpo

Now you resort to making stuff up that others so called wrote...............this is called lying and manipulation and if you can do this sort of thing why would anyone believe anything you say

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I pose valid questions that some insist on continually dodging...at some point the mindset has to be called out.

"The executive summary for the latecomers".... #1 A missile hit the pentagon. gmab.

It's like the magic JFK single bullet theory that magically knocks over lamp poles on a busy highway during rush hour traffic.

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Originally Posted by joboo

Everything you just said is what a victim of Loose Change is.

The propaganda of that video programmed your mind. You saw some random pictures with no time stamps, and now you're convinced of something.

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No.............physics is calling you a liar.
Titanium jet engines just dont disappear along with the aircraft.

If anybody is brainwashed its you.....let me guess....as a child you really thought the magician pulled a rabbit, hundreds of hankerchiefs and a few doves out a hat where the law of physics says its impossible.

Joboo the magician!

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Originally Posted by joboo

I pose valid questions that some insist on continually dodging...at some point the mindset has to be called out.

"The executive summary for the latecomers".... #1 A missile hit the pentagon. gmab.

It's like the magic JFK single bullet theory that magically knocks over lamp poles on a busy highway during rush hour traffic.

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Oh, so now you're saying the Warren Commission was FOS and JFK was assassinated by more than one gunman? Ha ha ha. Don't you know that Jackie did it idiot. LOL LOL

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Oh, so now you're saying the Warren Commission was FOS and JFK was assassinated by more than one gunman? Ha ha ha. Don't you know that Jackie did it idiot. LOL LOL

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So your missile sheared off all those lamp posts with all those witnesses that said they in fact saw the plane, and plane wreckage all over the place inside, and out, with DNA evidence of the deceased passengers of the plane that was flying right towards the pentagon just prior to....but it was a missile!

Someone sounds like an idiot here that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by 7th trump

No.............physics is calling you a liar.
Titanium jet engines just dont disappear along with the aircraft.

If anybody is brainwashed its you.....let me guess....as a child you really thought the magician pulled a rabbit, hundreds of hankerchiefs and a few doves out a hat where the law of physics says its impossible.

Joboo the magician!

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I guess you didn't bother to look at the photographs of the engines they found. I posted a link with all of that way back.

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Originally Posted by joboo

So your missile sheared off all those lamp posts with all those witnesses that said they in fact saw the plane, and plane wreckage all over the place inside, and out, with DNA evidence of the deceased passengers of the plane that was flying right towards the pentagon just prior to....but it was a missile!

Someone sounds like an idiot here that's for sure.

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Documents and sources please. So according to Joboo, the impact vaporized the titanium alloy but left the DNA behind. And the government just happened to have passenger DNA on file. You sir, are full of it.

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Documents and sources please. So according to Joboo, the impact vaporized the titanium alloy but left the DNA behind. And the government just happened to have passenger DNA on file. You sir, are full of it.

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You mean you've never heard of shape flames?

You just can't shake a stick at something and call it a shill, there is a certain level of competence that need be surpassed to put it into that category.

Again, how very disappointing. :(

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Originally Posted by joboo

The video starts off as "NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT"

It's sensationalistic from the very beginning.... For the love of god, and everything sane in this world, stop doing it!!

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You are the same septic dwelling joeking that thought space junk was necessary evil.

You think its O.K. that your government has been compromised with lies.

It is, was, and will continue to be alerting!

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Originally Posted by joboo

Your witness said there was no debris....which is not true from the above photo. Was she lying?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgExsz5q74Y&feature=gv
2:38 – 3:08. As I was coming out, the area, I didn’t see any type of plane debris, no metal, no airplane seats, om nothing that would cause me to believe that what had just happened was an actual plane hitting the building. Again, I wasn’t on the outside but from the inside view, I didn’t see anything that would give me any indication that a plane had hit and gone thru the building. There was just nothing identifying that that had taken place.

Was she a lying? I doubt it. I think a better question would be... Did complacency (or worse) almost kill her baby that day?

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Documents and sources please. So according to Joboo, the impact vaporized the titanium alloy but left the DNA behind. And the government just happened to have passenger DNA on file. You sir, are full of it.

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I posted the link pages ago with pictures of what they found including pieces of the engines.

See what you have is this thing called a passenger list, and you contact those families for a DNA sample...hairbrush, toothbrush..etc.. Hard to imagine.

What's really full of it is people thinking this airplane already headed straight for the pentag0n somehow magically turned into a missile at the last moment, and the airplane and all those people magically disappeared, then they ran around planting debris everywhere, and knocking down light poles during rush hour on a busy highway without anyone noticing, and with all kinds of witnesses saying they actually saw the airplane.