Doubt the BLM will be back real soon. They most likely send scouts and come back on Monday after everyone goes home. I wonder how the Militia is going to handle this.
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Doubt the BLM will be back real soon. They most likely send scouts and come back on Monday after everyone goes home. I wonder how the Militia is going to handle this.
Footage of BLM surrending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=U...layer_embedded
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=U...layer_embedded
Bundy Ranch: Fed Retreat was Psyop Next Wave Soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9GAh658_k&feature=youtu.be
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9G...ature=youtu.be
This is what I've been thinking all along. This is far from resolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public.
Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014
Time: 1840 ET
To: Steve Quayle
From Doug Hagmann
At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:
1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”
2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.
This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.
Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.
A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=877
Ares:
Makes perfect sense for why they closed the airspace above the ranch, yet allow their own aircraft to do surveillance, and intelligence gathering. Also makes sense why they cut off cell towers, so they forced them(the patriots) to use backup CB radios that are usually open(unencrypted) and able to get intel in real time without having to go through the NSA data gathering of cell data.
Our government may well have been gathering information on the resistance to their criminal operations but patriotic americans were studying those sons of bitches too.
qft!Quote:
Originally Posted by tumbleweed
like you said tumbleweed the whole country watching and learning there alot of vets there they know all to well how to fight ... watch and learn ... thanks guys an gals for keeping me updated on this i knew i could count on this forum for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed
No problem Mick, I'll keep updating this thread with more updates as they roll in. I don't think this is the end, far from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver
BUNDY RANCH: Western States Rising Against Feds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLg-Om1Agw
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLg-Om1Agw
I subscribed but hope you post updates as I dont stay logged into this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
No worries, I'll post whatever updates I happen to come across.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2
BLM Flip Flops: “No Deal” on Dropping Actions Against Bundy
Despite standoff defeat, feds assert case will continue
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
April 14, 2014
Despite being forced to release hundreds of seized cattle after an astounding standoff on Saturday, the Bureau of Land Management has vowed to continue its pursuit of Cliven Bundy, asserting that no deal has been made to cease its case against the Nevada cattle rancher.
Amazing scenes unfolded on Saturday as Bundy supporters and cowboys on horseback faced off against armed BLM agents and police, demanding that hundreds of cattle seized by the BLM over a grazing rights dispute be released from a nearby corral.
With feds and law enforcement at one point threatening to shoot protesters dead, Bundy supporters fearlessly held their ground and then began advancing on the corral.
Around 380 cattle were eventually released and BLM agents left the scene, a remarkable victory for property rights activists against big government. However, the ‘battle of Bunkerville’ as it is now being called is unlikely to mark the end of the saga.
Despite Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie announcing on Saturday that the BLM had agreed to cease its operation against Bundy, the BLM now asserts that it played no part in the deal and will continue to pursue Bundy “administratively and judicially” for the $1 million in grazing fees it claims Bundy owes the feds.
Since Bundy has steadfastly refused to pay the fee, offering instead to pay it to Clark County, the feds will have no option other than to send armed men to arrest Bundy or restart the operation to confiscate his cattle. Such action will then prompt thousands of Americans to rally to Bundy’s defense just as they did last week, threatening another standoff.
“The door isn’t closed. We’ll figure out how to move forward with this,” BLM spokesman Craig Leff told the Associated Press, adding, “The BLM and National Park Service did not cut any deal and negotiate anything, there was no deal we made.”
This completely contradicts reports on Saturday which stated that, “A deal has been reached between the Bundy family and the Bureau of Land Management.”
In another twist, private investigator Doug Hagmann claims a Department of Homeland Security source told him that the federal stand down on Saturday was merely a temporary measure designed to “hoodwink” Bundy supporters into “believing that the situation is being resolved”.
Hagmann says his source told him the plan to release the cattle had been devised the day before and that Saturday’s activities were focused around a military assessment of the strength of the “resistance” shown by Bundy supporters.
Whatever the truth, the ‘battle of Bunkerville’ represents a seminal moment in the modern American liberty movement.
However, the notion that it represents the end of the federal government’s pursuit of Cliven Bundy is a naive conclusion to draw.
http://www.infowars.com/blm-flip-flo...against-bundy/
Published on Apr 13, 2014
Founder of Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes, is in Bunkerville, Nevada at the Bundy Ranch. I spoke with Stewart late Sunday afternoon and recorded the interview below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMAEcjIBxw
Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMAEcjIBxw
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
They have demostrated this in their past actions. They will not stop until they have bankrupted every rancher on public land.
United States vs Gardner No. 95-17042 The 9th circuit court ruled against Gardner's arguments on PollardsLessee, also against the Equal Footing Doctrine, so this blows my previous arguments out of the water, unless of course somehow this same argument makes it into the Supreme Court and is over turned.
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Supreme court will not rule on issues of a constitutional nature while the (un)civil war remains unsettled. In fact any issue may be filed as an article III case in the supreme court and process will immediately stop. They cannot proceed and no other court has jurisdiction. I was told that there were several brothers in Colorado who used to stop federal process all the time this way. That file cabinet they have of case backlogs must be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty
I think this incident highlights the effectiveness of (armed) cowboys on horseback. I don't think the BLM would have capitulated had everyone been on foot.
Or everyone had been unarmed. The protestors being armed and willing to use them was the biggest determining factor in that stand off.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
Why I never saw the point of an unarmed protest. People got beaten, tased or arrested. You didn't see that happen at the ranch when people who were armed showed up.
Please link the meeting at 1:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
I'm thinking you don't have much experience riding horses and therefore lack that perspective. Someone on horseback is very intimidating to someone on foot for several reasons, e.g. very quick mobility, agility, bearing down on them with a 1,200# beast, superior perspective due to height, etc. Horses are fucking awesome, the several horseback riders is what gave the group an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDfnQD0wsQuote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
You don't really believe the nonsense in a Mel Brooks movie do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_
Try that and find out how easy it is to get one's ass kicked by a cowboy.
Sure I do, My parents had 5 horses on their farm. I've ridden a horse, and know how to ride a horse. But at the same time, they (BLM) are in APC's and other much heavier vehicles. (Chevy Suburbans from what I can tell) If they saw horses coming, all they would have to do is get in the vehicle, roll down the windows and just shoot. They also have better cover while inside a vehicle while a cowboy is exposed. Bullet to the chest of a horse will drop him in a second, his 1,200lbs beast is now 1,200lbs of meat for coyotes..Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
I grew up literally on the back of a horse. (not to mention spending several years hanging out with people who's job it was to deal with very tense situations) I'm thinking you don't get where I'm coming from.
Press Conference Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmw4Kaape-Q&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew
link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmw4...ndfUGOb2f7E1Ew
I do and if I was without a vehicle, yeah it would be extremely intimidating. But if I was driving an APC, or a Tahoe / Suburban a cowboy on horseback wouldn't intimidate me in the least. Not to mention knowing how vulnerable horses are. Yeah you can shoot the radiator out of a vehicle and it'll keep going until it overheats and dies. Hopefully enough to get you out of the danger zone. You shoot a horse in the leg, or in the chest and the horse isn't going anywhere. I know because I've had to help moving horses that were shot, or had broken a leg. As strong and powerful of an animal that they are. They still aren't a match for high powered rifles, armor, or heavy vehicles.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
No I wouldn't take on a horse if I was in a Honda Civic, but I'd have little fear in the vehicles that the BLM was on scene with.
Why The Feds Chickened Out On A Nevada Ranch
Let me obliterate a bit of confusion here: the Obama administration attempted to go to war with a rancher in Nevada. Let me amplify a little bit of truth: They tucked tail and have returned home. And let me add a bit of clarity: they had no choice!
As the nation began to become familiar with the plight of the family of Cliven Bundy, many of us harkened back to another standoff in which the Federal government attempted to bully it's outcome: Waco, Texas and the Branch Davidian massacre.
It is telling that in the Nevada case the feds pulled out so quickly, given all they had indicated they were willing to do to resolve the matter to their satisfaction. They had set up a perimeter around the Bundy's family land, ranch, and home. They had brought in extra artillery, dogs, and snipers. They were beginning the process of stealing more than 300 head of cattle that did not belong to them.
They did so--or so we were told--for the reason of protecting the desert tortoise. But then it was revealed that the Bureau of Land Management had shot far more desert tortoises than the Bundy cattle had even possibly destroyed. We were told they did it because the Bundys had broken federal laws by not paying what amounted to retroactive grazing fees to the federal government. But the Governor of the state of Nevada told us that Bundy had paid every ounce of state tax, met the state requirements, and their family had been improving the property more than 100 years previous.
Finally we were allowed to know the connection between a communist Chinese wind/solar power plant and its connection to that senator named Harry Reid. Evidently a plan had been hatched to use the Bundy property for a solar farm and instead of paying the Bundys, someone, somewhere in the administration believed it was easier to just take what they wanted.
That approach is at least consistent with the readily documented abuse of eminent domain where the government for any number of reasons--few of them valid--have taken to taking what doesn't belong to them. Americans then watch as it gets handed over to some multi-national corporation for the "cause" of the "greater good."
There were a few specific reasons why the feds chickened out in the Nevada desert though.
1. Technology - As the Bundy family members were abused, cameras captured it. Not television network cameras, but dozens of cell phone video devices that gave witness to a Bundy aunt being shoved to the ground, and a Bundy son being tazed. All of this while threatening protestors with dogs, brandished weapons and vehicles was captured, uploaded and made viral to the watching world.
2. States' Rights - As the drama unfolded it became clear that the Governor of Nevada, and the Sheriff of Clark County knew that Cliven Bundy's family had not only not broken any state law regarding the land, but that they had gone to the enth degree to insure compliance with Nevada laws on the property. The Governor and the Sheriff, to their credit, did not favor the feds as a more powerful party in the conflict. Though there must have been pressure from Senator Reid's office, the administration via the Bureau of Land Management, and local officials who were bought and sold like the Clark County Commissioner who told those coming to support the Bundys to have "funeral plans in place."
3. Grassroots Response - As other incidents have transpired in the past, the amount of time it took honest information to reach the grassroots and thus the response to the action came to slow. In the massacre in Waco, most of the nation had been sold a single narrative from the limited media outlets covering the events. Similarly the events surrounding the abduction of Elian Gonzales from his family in Florida and deportation to Cuba took place in such a response vacuum that by the time Americans knew the real story, the damage was done. With the Bundy ranch, internet outlets by the dozen had competing information with the limited "official news" being released by the networks, and in most cases the alternative sources had it correct and usually a full day or so ahead of the news cycle. By the time afternoon drive hit, when the network news rooms in New York were preparing their first stories, talk radio audiences had already been dialing their elected officials in Washington demanding action.
The majority of Americans saw through the efforts to spin the story in Nevada. Couple that with the leadership failures that the American people view the administration responsible for, from Benghazi to the Affordable Care Act, all it took was the unedited video of federal agents tazing Bundy's son, followed by his pulling the wires from his chest and continuing to stand his ground for there to be comparisons made to the American revolution.
It's also important to note that merely pulling back from the Bundy property hasn't settled the matter for the American people either.
The feds have stolen 352 head of cattle, and will not confirm or deny if they euthanized some or all of them. Recompense must be made. And to be candid, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see if a few ambitious law firms don't try to convince the Bundy family of the validity of litigation.
Fortunately for the American people, the feds were not able to ultimately bully a simple rancher, not for a tortoise, a solar power plant, or a dirty Senator and his administration.
We owe the Bundy family a great deal of thanks for standing tall.
For if the federal government is allowed to do it with one, then there will be nothing stopping them from doing it again.
http://townhall.com/columnists/kevin...ranch-n1823838
Bundy Ranch: The Meeting in Mesquite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ubr22LBZc&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ub...ndfUGOb2f7E1Ew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U61nDx9sU5c ... here a real good comment ...
These are the kind of people that laugh at the poor and middle class people of America, her time is coming in the not so distant future. Pay backs are a bitch.
i have not see this vid yet ... John McAfee Speaks Out on BLM Tyranny at Bundy Ranch ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qB7yzrpu0I
Here, I'll embed it for the thread. Thanks for posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qB7yzrpu0I
Bundy Boots the BLM – Is This a Significant Moment?http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/boots1.jpgNevada Rancher: 'The Citizens Of America' Got My Cattle Back ... After a tense standoff with the Bureau of Land Management, the Nevada Rancher at the center of the disagreement proclaimed that "the citizens of America" got his cattle back. Rancher Cliven Bundy reached a deal with the BLM Saturday allowing the cattle that had been removed from the BLM land to be released back onto the federal lands. But Bundy is still on the hook for the fees he owes for having the animals on the land in the first place. "There is no deal here. The citizens of America and Clark County went and took their cattle. There was no negotiations. They took these cattle. They are in possession of these cattle and I expect them to come home soon," Bundy told KLAS-TV. – CBS
Dominant Social Theme: The revolution has begun.
Free-Market Analysis: Some in the alternative media have been celebrating the defeat of the Bureau of Land Management, which unsuccessfully attacked rancher Cliven Bundy for not paying grazing fees. This analysis attempts to ascertain the importance of the Bundy "victory."
After national coverage and the convergence of numerous US citizens on the Bundy ranch to show their support, BLM backed down. They removed the armed enforcers, their trucks and even, reportedly, gave back the cattle that were confiscated.
Alex Jones celebrated at Infowars, and Drudge posted numerous headlines on the affair. The controversy expanded when it was reported that BLM was moving on Bundy in part to open up land for an expanding Chinese solar farm.
Here's more:
The standoff Saturday brought hundreds of protesters who attempted to storm the BLM's cattle gate, but weren't successful. Some protesters were even armed with weapons. I-15 was closed in both directions at one point because protesters were blocking the freeway.
Roughly two dozen police officers and a SWAT unit were at the scene in Mesquite to help keep the peace. "We had a lot of fears. Individuals being shot, trampled. Individuals being run over on the highway. So it took a lot of resources, a lot of resources to associate with this," Assistant Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said to KLAS-TV.
The fight between Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management widened into a debate about states' rights and federal land-use policy. The dispute that ultimately triggered the roundup dates to 1993, when the bureau cited concern for the federally protected tortoise in the region. The bureau revoked Bundy's grazing rights after he stopped paying grazing fees and disregarded federal court orders to remove his animals.
... The 400 cows gathered during the roundup were short of the BLM's goal of 900 cows that it says have been trespassing on U.S. land without required grazing permits for over 20 years. Bundy, 67, doesn't recognize federal authority on land he insists belongs to Nevada.
His Mormon family has operated a ranch since the 1870s near the small town of Bunkerville and the Utah and Arizona lines. "Good morning America, good morning world, isn't it a beautiful day in Bunkerville?" Bundy told a cheering crowd after his cattle were released, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
The crowd protesting Saturday recited the pledge of allegiance, and many offered prayers. Others waved placards reading, "This land is your land," and "We teach our children not to bully. How do we teach our government not to be big bullies?" according to the newspaper.
It's the latest skirmish since the 1980s when the Sagebrush Rebellion challenged federal ownership of Nevada rangeland ranchers said was rightfully theirs. A federal judge in Las Vegas first ordered Bundy to remove his trespassing cattle in 1998.
Despite the current state of affairs, BLM's decision to disengage may not be as final and decisive as it first appears. Its press release said as much. There are numerous other ranchers who interact regularly with the BLM, and if the Bundy capitulation is seen as precedent-setting then the US federal government might lose control of lands that fedgov has been acquiring for decades.
The US federal government's power is vastly enhanced by land management and the federal government is said to control up to one-third of US lands in the "lower 48." There are at least three reasons why land control is so important.
Such control ...
- Increases fedgov's ability to support scarcity memes such as the lack of energy, commodities and even water. The petrodollar, for instance, was based in part on restricting the availability of oil to the Middle East, even though there was plenty of oil in the US, especially if drilled via fracking, a technology available since the 1920s.
- Allows fedgov to more easily implement various UN agendas that include reducing the human "footprint" in large parts of the US.
- Creates and furthers the precedent that nothing in the US is permanently owned by citizens. Bundy claimed he owned his land because his family had farmed it since the late 1880s. The BLM's perspective was that the land only belonged to Bundy so long as he complied with the federal revenue demands.
Every part of the US governmental apparatus is at risk if the Bundys can claim a continued victory. Any single setback of this magnitude threatens to unravel the entire laboriously constructed system of federal legislative, judicial and executive command.
The entire globalist edifice depends on ever-expanding government control of the private sector. If the power elite running Western governments behind the scenes cannot count on expanding and untrammeled government authority then the whole internationalist agenda is put at risk.
So while it was inspiring to see people on horseback facing down BLM enforcers, the chances that significant change will be engendered via these kinds of confrontations is certainly questionable.
One can even argue that top elites are actively hoping for the kind of chaos and civil destruction that such dramatic clashes will inevitably give rise to. One could even ask if the Bundy confrontation itself was manufactured.
We are sure that real change will come as people take individual human action to opt out of the system – psychologically as well as professionally. This, in fact, IS happening as a natural occurrence of the current information revolution. Elite memes are crumbling; dominant social themes such as global warming are increasingly rejected. Even the war on terror has not proven convincing.
Societies usually do not crumble via internal, physical revolution that only provides a justification for a bigger and more invasive police state. Societies DO collapse when people lose their belief that the sociopolitical and economic structure is beneficial to them.
What has been set into motion by the Internet Reformation has decades to go yet. Government authorities have every reason to fight the physical confrontations manifested by the Internet – and no doubt they will. But it is the larger and likely unstoppable shift in citizen sentiment regarding basic building blocks of society that shall create real change.
This change will not happen so dramatically as recent events, and will evolve out of the dissemination of knowledge about the Way the World Really works. One need only consider the sociopolitical and economic conversation today in the West – especially in the US – versus a decade ago. The differences are startling. They will continue even if more visible evidences of resistance are defused.
- See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-ana....65ZJoCZe.dpuf
The revolution has begun.
Fuck the revolution bring on the apocalypse! >:D
I don't think most people realize how far and how fast someone can travel in all kinds of terrain horseback day or night. The Bundys were horse back to take control of the cattle and move them out and there's no better way to do that than with well trained horses and riders experienced in handling cattle.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
If all those riders were armed with handguns, the portable corrals were thrown open and had wanted to they could have been on top of the BLM guys in a couple of seconds and shot the hell out of them. If they'd have had some molotov coctails their vehicles could have been destroyed too.
Thought I'd post a movie clip of one guy in action instead of twenty or thirty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX56rbqZhto
You know I don't think I ever watched that movie... Coming to a monitor near me soon.
On a good horse a seasoned horseman/horsewoman can very quickly traverse terrain which would be a impassable for an ATV or even a dirt bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares
There's a very good reason why militarys had the cavalry and why Native Americans adopted the use of the horse. And there's not a conventional wheeled or tracked vehicle in the world which can move as efficiently as a horse. On very rough and rugged terrain there's no way in the world that any motorized land vehicle can keep up with a horse (that has been used for that use before).
I knew you'd get it Tumbleweed. A seasoned horseman/horsewoman on a good horse could not be more unpredictable - and they can fly like the wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed
FWIW, I was good enough that I could ride my favorite pet horse 'injun style', i.e. running him while riding bareback with only a piece of hay twine wrapped around the lower part of his head just above his mouth and nostrils (as in no bridle).