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Oregon tribe: Armed group 'desecrating' their land
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Some Ranchers Worried About Federal Raid
Some of the armed ranchers occupying a federal facility in Oregon say they're concerned about a raid, and that they'll be arrested. Officials in the area say they're trying to resolve the situation peacefully. (Jan. 6)
BURNS, Ore. (AP) — The leader of an American Indian tribe that regards an Oregon nature preserve as sacred issued a rebuke Wednesday to the armed men who are occupying the property, saying they are not welcome at the snowy bird sanctuary and must leave.
The Burns Paiute tribe was the latest group to speak out against the men, who have taken several buildings at the preserve to protest policies governing the use of federal land in the West.
"The protesters have no right to this land. It belongs to the native people who live here," tribal leader Charlotte Rodrique said.
She spoke at a news conference at the tribe's cultural center, about a half-hour drive from Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which is being occupied by some 20 men led by Ammon Bundy, whose father Cliven was at the center of a standoff in Nevada with federal officials in 2014 over use of public lands.
Ammon Bundy is demanding that the refuge be handed over to locals.
Rodrique said she "had to laugh" at the demand, because she knew Bundy was not talking about giving the land to the tribe.
The 13,700-acre Burns Paiute Reservation is north of the remote town of Burns in Oregon sagebrush country. The reservation is separate from the wildlife refuge, but tribal members consider it part of their ancestral land.
As with other tribes, the Burns Paiutes' link to the land is marked by a history of conflict with white settlers and the U.S. government. In the late 1800s, they were forced off a sprawling reservation created by an 1872 treaty that was never ratified. Some later returned and purchased property in the Burns area, where about 200 tribal members now live.
Bundy's group seized buildings Saturday at the nature preserve in eastern Oregon's high desert country. Authorities have made no attempt to remove them.
At a community meeting attended by hundreds of people in Burns on Wednesday evening, cheers erupted when Harney County Sheriff David Ward said it was time for the group at the refuge to "pick up and go home."
"We can work through it like adults, peacefully, with a united front," Ward said.
The standoff in rural Oregon is a continuation of a long-running dispute over federal policies covering the use of public lands, including grazing. The federal government controls about half of all land in the West. For example, it owns 53 percent of Oregon, 85 percent of Nevada and 66 percent of Utah, according to the Congressional Research Service.
The Bundy family is among many people in the West who contend local officials could do a better job of managing public lands than the federal government.
"It is our goal to get the logger back to logging, the rancher back to ranching," Ammon Bundy said Tuesday.
The argument is rejected by those who say the U.S. government is better equipped to manage public lands for all those who want to make use of them.
Among those groups are Native Americans.
The Burns Paiute tribe has guaranteed access to the refuge for activities that are important to their culture, including gathering a plant used for making traditional baskets and seeds that are used for making bread. The tribe also hunts and fishes there.
Rodrique said the armed occupiers are "desecrating one of our sacred sites" with their presence at refuge.
Jarvis Kennedy, a tribal council member, said: "We don't need these guys here. They need to go home and get out of here."
Randy Eardley, a Bureau of Land Management spokesman, said Bundy's call for control of the land to be transferred makes no sense.
"It is frustrating when I hear the demand that we return the land to the people, because it is in the people's hand — the people own it," Eardley said. "Everybody in the United States owns that land. ... We manage it the best we can for its owners, the people, and whether it's for recreating, for grazing, for energy and mineral development."
Bundy's group, calling itself Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, says it wants an inquiry into whether the government is forcing ranchers off their land after Dwight Hammond and his son, Steven, reported back to prison Monday.
The Hammonds, who have distanced themselves from the group, were convicted of arson three years ago and served no more than a year. A judge later ruled that the terms fell short of minimum sentences requiring them to serve about four more years.
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Petty reported from Portland, Oregon.
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In Oregon, Myth Mixes With Anger
By NANCY LANGSTONJAN. 6, 2016
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TO outsiders, one of the puzzling aspects of the anti-government militia’s takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is its location. Twenty-five million birds a year visit the refuge in the high desert of southeastern Oregon, but few people have heard of it. Yet Malheur is a place of bitterly contested human histories that remain potent today.
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Years ago, when I first visited the refuge, I stumbled upon five dead coyotes tossed across a trail, their necks sliced open, blood clotted on their fur, paws hacked off, entrails draining into the river. Ranchers on the edge of failure feel threatened by predators snatching away their calves, and some lash out against that threat. But these five dead coyotes signaled more than just economic anxiety — they were emblematic of past hatreds that are still a powerful force in the Malheur basin. Anger at predators, environmentalists and federal managers who threaten the mythic past of cowboys on the range is as strong there as anywhere in the West.
In the late 1970s and the 1980s, many Western ranchers, miners and loggers felt increasingly threatened, partly by globalization, which created new competition, and partly by federal regulations that seemed to value wildlife more than people. What became known as the Sagebrush Rebellion gave locals a focus for their concern.
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Environmentalists, they argued, were conspiring to destroy America, starting with rural communities. Many ranchers bitterly complained about the federal land management agencies. They felt powerless, hemmed in by policies they had little hand in shaping. They feared that economic gains were passing them by.
These complaints contain elements of truth: Rural communities in the West are poorer than urban communities, and environmental protections enacted since the 1980s have reduced grazing on federal lands. But locals told an interesting version of this history. Before the federal agencies came, they said, we lived in paradise. The grass was thick, the water was abundant and the towns were thriving. We were independent, working out our problems. When the feds came, they stole our resources, and our economies collapsed.
The implication was clear: If they got rid of the federal government, they’d have control over their land and lives again.
This version of history bears little resemblance to the actual past. Before the federal agencies came to eastern Oregon, large ranching operations from California had monopolized hundreds of thousands of acres of rangeland. Irrigation developers controlled water, cattle barons controlled the grass, and settlers were essentially locked out. Tensions were high.
During the 1890s, a populist, anti-monopolist rhetoric emerged among settlers and news editors. The local newspaper deplored the fact that the great Western ranges were passing into “the hands of a few big cattle or sheep companies,” and predicted that soon “an aristocracy of range lords and cattle kings would rule our mountains and plains.” In 1897, Peter French, the cattle baron who controlled the largest ranching empire in America, along the Blitzen River, was murdered by an angry homesteader. Arson, violence and grinding poverty flourished.
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In the first decades of the 20th century, the conservationist William Finley paddled a little boat through the marshes of the basin and came upon a colony of egrets slaughtered by plume hunters, the young left to starve. Out of hundreds of thousands of egrets that had once nested in Malheur Lake, only 121 were left.
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Horrified, Mr. Finley did his best to publicize Malheur’s remaining bounty of waterfowl, shorebirds, egrets, herons, cranes and ibises. In 1908, he persuaded President Theodore Roosevelt to designate Malheur Lake a wildlife refuge. But Congress denied any funding for its management, water rights were not granted and, as droughts hit and lake levels dropped, settlers squatted on the lake bed. By the 1930s, after four decades of overgrazing, irrigation withdrawals, grain agriculture, dredging and channelization, followed by several years of drought, Malheur had become a dust bowl.
Ranches failed, livestock starved, homesteaders went bust and the primary occupation in the valley became suing one’s neighbor over water rights.
Continue reading the main story Write A Comment Conservationists won a major victory in 1934 when French’s former cattle empire was sold to the refuge, ensuring it had the water needed to flourish. John Scharff, the refuge manager from 1935 to 1971, worked closely with ranchers to establish grazing leases that funded the restoration of former wetlands and won public support for the effort. By 1968, cattle use was nearly as intense as during the days of the cattle barons. Ranchers still imagined themselves as the rugged individualists of their romantic past, though they had become heavily subsidized, grazing their herds on refuge meadows for fees that were often lower than those on private lands.
In the 1970s, government concern grew over the effects of grazing on waterfowl, trout and aquatic health. When Mr. Scharff retired, the new refuge manager had the difficult task of restoring wildlife habitat by reducing cattle numbers. By law, on federal wildlife refuges, the first priority is wildlife. Other uses are allowed when they enhance wildlife habitat, but not when they harm it. Nonetheless, when the new manager lowered the number of grazing permits, controversy erupted over cows versus birds — anger that continues to simmer in the basin.
When mythic histories supplant the complexities of the past, the results can be lethal. Equitable futures for Western public lands won’t be achieved when ideologues swagger in, brandishing guns and taking over federal buildings. Rather, they develop from the hard work of collaboration, like the 2013 effort that brought together the local community, tribes, conservation groups and the state and federal governments to develop a new management plan for Malheur. These are the efforts that best respect the region’s history while pointing the way to a sustainable future.
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Ammon Bundy Compares Oregon Standoff to Rosa Parks and Everyone Is Livid
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On Wednesday, Ammon Bundy, posted a tweet about the ongoing anti-government standoff led by a group of armed ranchers in Oregon, and Bundy's statement is drawing fire from all who read it.
"We are doing the same thing as Rosa Parks did," Bundy wrote. "We are standing up against bad laws which dehumanize us and destroy our freedom."
The group leader's name has swept through the news this week after being identified as a member of an anti-government group that, on Saturday, stormed a federal building in Oregon. After hundreds marched through the city of Burns, Oregon, a number of supporters took over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in an anti-government protest over land disputes. The Oregonian reported that up to 100 armed supporters were occupying the federal building, though its been contested that the real number of occupiers is closer to a dozen or less.
We are doing the same thing as Rosa Parks did. We are standing up against bad laws which dehumanize us and destroy our freedom.
Drawing a parallel between a civil rights crusader and the armed protest did not sit well with Twitter users.
@Ammon_Bundy you got it twisted you are nothing like Rosa Parks or MLK. Neither used guns or had racist companions! #burnsoregon
@Ammon_Bundy you terrorists are no Rosa Parks and it's an insult to her to compare yourselves to her.
@Ammon_Bundy What kind of gun did Rosa Parks use when she stood up by sitting down?
Nice try. Rosa Parks didn't hijack a bus with an assault rifle because she didn't want to pay the bus fare. @Ammon_Bundy
@Ammon_Bundy Never in my life have I meant this more: You. Have got. To be. SHITTING. Me.
@Ammon_Bundy Rosa Parks did not have a gun. Also, your white privilege is showing.
@Ammon_Bundy You are nothing more than an armed bully who's taking what he wants by force. Un-American. #burnsoregon #OregonUnderAttack
@Ammon_Bundy Rosa Parks was armed with courage. And when she was arrested, she complied with law enforcement. You sir, are NO Rosa Parks.
@Ammon_Bundy You do realize that Rosa Parks was arrested for not complying don't you? She surrendered peacefully.
@Ammon_Bundy Rosa Parks was fighting lynching, murder, segregation, racism, separate but unequal. You have nothing in common with us.
Yet for some Twitter users reacting to the statement, words simply weren't enough to express their outrage.
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Source: Justin Sullivan/Getty ImagesThe dispute concerns ranchers' allegedly unlawful use of state land, including the supposed coverup of illegal deer hunting by setting fire to the pasture where the animals were hunted, in an attempt to conceal the remains.
The state has convicted two ranchers, a father and son named Dwight and Steven Hammond, of arson, according to CNN. The Hammonds say the fire was lit in an attempt to protect from wildfires on their property, and that the government is encroaching on their land rights. Yet according to CNN, Oregon U.S. attorney Billy J. Williams claims the poaching ruling was just.
"The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds," Bundy said, according to the Oregonian. "We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," he added. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."
The fiasco comes at a time of heightened conversation about gun control in America. After a seemingly endless series of mass shootings and gun violence in the U.S. in recent months, President Barack Obama addressed the nation on Tuesday to announce landmark policy decisions about gun regulation in America.
During his address, Obama evoked the Second Amendment more than once: He said, "I believe in the second amendment, that guarantees a right to bear arms," and added, "I believe that we can find ways to reduce gun violence consistent with the second amendment."
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One Map Shows Who Really Deserves to Be Angry in Oregon
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Ammon Bundy and the armed ranchers in Oregon have one overreaching goal in its ongoing standoff with federal officials. "Once [the people] can use these lands as free men, then we will have accomplished what we came to accomplish," Bundy said in a video posted to Facebook on Saturday, according to NBC. In other words, they want the United States federal government to back off.
But if there's any group that has a legitimate gripe with the U.S. government over ownership of local land, it's not Bundy's white, anti-government group. It's the indigenous tribes native to the land now known as the state of Oregon.
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Source: Native Lives Matter Facebook The above map was posted on Facebook by the group Native Lives Matter to drive home the point on land sovereignty. Leaders in Oregon's native community have also pointed out the irony of the Bundy occupation in recent days. "I'm, like, hold on a minute, if you want to get technical about it ... the land belongs to the Paiute here," Selena Sam, a member of the Burns Paiute Tribe council, told Reuters.
But unlike Bundy's gang, the Paiute haven't decided to grab guns and provoke a standoff because it's precisely that type of violence that forced them off their land in the first place. "I feel like it's happening all over again but to a different set of people," Sam continued. "They're like, 'Let's grab some guns.' We have a different approach."
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Extremist Group Calls for Oregon Militants to Be “Willing to Die”
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When armed occupants stormed a federal wildlife refuge in Harney County, Oregon, on Saturday, protest leader Ryan Bundy told Oregonian politics reporter Ian Kullgren that he was willing to kill and be killed if necessary to sustain the occupation.
Now, he's receiving support in some influential circles. The Oath Keepers, which the Southern Poverty Law Center describes as "a fiercely antigovernment, militaristic group," has come out in support of the of the Bundys, with Oath Keepers founder and president Stewart Rhodes posting a passionate letter to the group's website Tuesday.
"This is an armed occupation of a government building and the only people staying there should be the armed men who are willing to die there with Ammon Bundy and his brothers and a couple of embedded reporters," said Rhodes, who stressed that women and children stay away from the scene. "If adults want to visit them and put themselves at risk, that is their choice, but don't bring children. If a dozen men die in a shootout, that is one thing, but if children die, there will be a civil war."
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Source: Mic/YouTubeIn his open letter, Rhodes claimed that his sources within U.S. Special Operations indicated a "detachment" from the Joint Special Operations Command had been dispatched to the area to handle the occupation. In warning of a violent demise, Rhodes invoked the stories of Waco and Ruby Ridge, two similar standoffs ultimately broken up with deadly and controversial force by the federal government.
Rhodes' strident sentiment, however, was not universally shared on the ground. Dwight and Steven Hammond, the ranchers whose prison sentences for arson sparked the original protest, turned themselves in to federal authorities on Monday afternoon. Through their lawyer the Hammonds publicly distanced themselves from the Bundy occupation, the lawyer writing to the local sheriff, "Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond Family."
Local Oath Keepers and aligned organizations also said that they had reservations about the operation.
"The Oath Keepers [and] the Pacific Patriots Network did not endorse nor do we support the way they took over or occupied the refuge." Joseph Rice, a coordinator for a local Oath Keepers branch and co-founder of the PPN, told Mic. "If there are media standing around watching everything, cooler heads should prevail. Nobody wants any type of armed standoff or conflict."
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Source: Mic/Getty ImagesWith the occupation joined, Rice said that the Oath Keepers were providing logistical support including a call to action for individuals to go to the protest area and serve as a neutral buffer between government forces and the occupiers, and to donate what they could.
"I witnesses ranchers coming and donating supplies to the folks at the refuge," he said. "I witnessed one guy come in and give 50 pounds of elk meat."
White also said that his group was united with the grievances of the Bundys, the heart of which lay in a land dispute between the federal government and locals. In Oregon, the U.S. owns more than 50% of all land, which is administered by the Bureau of Land Management. Bundy and the Oath Keepers want that control delegated to local government.
Despite differences in tactics, Rice was overall praiseful about the renewed attention to the issue. "You are having a dialogue and conversation with me," he told Mic. "If those guys hadn't don't this, you'd never call me."
Fair enough.
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But if there's any group that has a legitimate gripe with the U.S. government over ownership of local land, it's not Bundy's white, anti-government group. It's the indigenous tribes native to the land now known as the state of Oregon.
Sure, but look what these "indigenous tribes" have to say:
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The leader of an American Indian tribe that regards an Oregon nature preserve as sacred issued a rebuke Wednesday to the armed men who are occupying the property, saying they are not welcome at the snowy bird sanctuary and must leave.
Useful idiot native americans siding with the government that killed most of them rather than the people fighting this government.
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Militia leader Ammon Bundy discusses . . . . .
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Oregon standoff: Idaho group arrives to 'secure perimeter, prevent Waco-style situation'
BURNS — Members of a group from outside Oregon arrived on Friday at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to "secure a perimeter" around the compound and prevent "a Waco-style situation."
The arrival of the "3% of Idaho" was the latest development in the situation outside Burns, where an armed occupation of the refuge by an Ammon Bundy-led militant group entered its seventh day.
"They just keep an eye on everything that is going on" to make sure "nothing stupid happens," Bundy said Friday afternoon outside refuge headquarters.
"If they weren't here," Bundy said, referring to the Idaho group, "I'd worry" about a Waco-style siege by federal officials.
The group's website says it stands for "freedom, liberty and the Constitution. We will combat all those who are corrupt." The website displays the motto, "When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty!"
Brandon Curtiss, the president of the 3% of Idaho, would not reveal in a phone interview how many people his group was sending, although a handful of them had already arrived at the bird sanctuary. Some had what appeared to be handguns on their hips. Curtiss said he was on his way to the refuge.
He also declined to reveal specifically whether the group would circle the refuge headquarters or form some other sort of perimeter.
Curtiss and Chris McIntire, another group spokesman, called the situation a "double-edged sword" – the perimeter is meant to protect the occupiers from an outside attack but also to protect the Harney County community from those who arrive in solidarity with Bundy's cause but may be prone to violence, they said. The Idaho group is here to keep the situation "peaceful" and reassure the community that it isn't in danger, they said.
McIntire said the majority of the group's members would be heading for Eastern Oregon on Friday.
Curtiss and McIntire both emphasized that the perimeter would not be military or paramilitary in nature.
The group's arrival came a few hours after Bundy informed reporters that the militants would not immediately accept Sheriff Dave Ward's offer to peacefully escort the occupiers out of town.
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Is this officially a federal base or is it bought per Oregon? Or whatever else. This is very confusing because they are using the laws both ways, I am no comfortable with anything I read now.
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Is this officially a federal base or is it bought per Oregon? Or whatever else. This is very confusing because they are using the laws both ways, I am no comfortable with anything I read now.
From what I have read President Theodore Roosevelt originally made it an Indian reservation. Then he booted them out, marching them shackled 2 abreast on foot in the winter snow to a reservation in Washington. Later the same President Roosevelt created this federal bird sanctuary. I know not on what authority. I don't know if the Oregon legislature was involved, or if it was purchased.
My father pounded into our heads from a very young age, believe none of what you read and half of what you see. Now with photoshop, youtube, propaganda paid for by the government to the corporate controlled media maybe you can believe 15% of what you see.
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Thanks as far as Roosevelt goes he was a piece of shit and it continues down the line.
If this rope was cut you thing there is any chance?
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The Realist Report: Oregon Militia Standoff (1-8-16)
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On this premier edition of The Realist Report broadcast live on Renegade Broadcasting, we’re joined by my good friend Sean Daly. Sean and I recently drove out to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge just south of Burns, Oregon. A group of American patriots are occupying various buildings in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to protest and rectify the unjust and tyrannical policies various agencies of the United States federal government have and continue to perpetrate against law abiding ranchers, farmers, and private property owners in the surrounding region. This is one program you don’t want to miss!
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SAGEBRUSH REBELLIONSHow the federal government went from realtor to landlord in the American West
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https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2...rip=all&w=3000The Oregon standoff reflects broader tensions between ranchers and the federal government. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
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Disputes over public land rights have a long history in the United States. But the past 18 months have seen a growing number of confrontations over Western federal lands, culminating in the current standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon.
Why have federal lands so consistently served as a flashpoint for anti-government sentiments? The answer lies in the complex history of public lands in the West.
The overwhelming majority of federal lands are located in the American West. Comprising over 600 million acres, they constitute over half of the territory in the Western states, compared to only 4% of the land east of the Mississippi.
During the first 100 years of US history, our national policy was to sell off or give away as much land as possible. The reason for this uneven distribution of federal land can be attributed to America’s history of land dispossession. During the first 100 years of US history, our national policy was to sell off or give away as much land as possible. Military bounties were handed out as pay for Revolutionary War veterans. Land grants to railroad companies helped finance transcontinental rail lines. And millions more acres of land were privatized through a series of Homestead Acts, with the goal of encouraging settlement in the interior West. The original 1862 rule gave 160 acres to settlers as long as they resided on and worked the land for five years and paid a $26 fee.
This approach worked well in the East and Midwest, where land was fertile enough to sustain 160-acre farms. But much of the West was too mountainous or arid to be easily settled, or was already being used for livestock grazing—albeit without claims or money changing hands.
Ranching was viable in such environments, but required much larger tracts of land than were typically available. So a common practice in the late 19th century was for ranchers to make limited homestead claims close to scarce bodies of water. Then, by default, they could control vast amounts of otherwise dry public land without holding titles.
By the 1880s, this had led to a classic tragedy of the commons. Overstocked ranges led to massive soil erosion, culminating in the “Big Die Up” of thousands of cattle in 1886.
Once-massive bison herds on the Great Plains were reduced to a few hundred animals. These problems were mirrored in other industries that made use of the land’s resources. Unregulated logging decimated the Great Lakes region and threatened to do the same out west. Once-massive bison herds on the Great Plains were reduced to a few hundred animals.
Events such as these helped spawn the early conservation movement and moved the federal government to begin setting portions of the public domain aside. No longer would these lands be available for sale or settlement. Rather, they would remain under government ownership. National parks, wildlife refuges and wilderness areas would be managed on behalf of the American people for protection and recreation. National forests and Bureau of Land Management-owned areas would be available for supervised logging, mining, grazing and other activities that made use of natural resources.
The federal government shifted its role from realtor to landlord. Then, in the early 20th century, the over-tilled and overgrazed landscapes out West led to the Dust Bowl. This moved Congress to place the remaining unclaimed public rangelands in the West under federal management as well. To prevent overstocking, the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act set up a permit and fee system for grazing on lands managed by what would become the BLM. In this way, federal managers could control the number of livestock and time allowed for grazing on any permitted area based on the conditions of the pasture.
And that’s the rub. Ever since the federal government shifted its role from realtor to landlord, it has faced tensions with the people and businesses who use resources located on public lands.
The first “sagebrush rebellion” took place in 1946. A coalition of Western politicians and representatives of the livestock and mining industries demanded that the government transfer public lands to the states to be redistributed to private landowners.
The effort failed. But the sentiment was reborn with the second “sagebrush rebellion” in the late 1970s and early 1980s. This time, the movement arose in response to the passage of the major environmental laws such as the Clean Air and Clean Water Act Amendments and Endangered Species Act, which indicated that public lands would come under increased regulatory scrutiny. The economic recession and the promise of support from the rising Reagan Administration also propelled the movement. The Nevada state legislature went so far as to pass a law claiming authority over all BLM land within state boundaries. But the law was declared unconstitutional, and the land stayed in the federal government’s hands.
The next attempt to take over federal land came in the late 1980s and 1990s. In the aftermath of the famous protests over old-growth forests and the Northern Spotted Owl in the Pacific Northwest, the County-Supremacy and Wise Use Movements took hold.
These protests reflect the oscillations of the boom-and-bust economies associated with Western industries like mining, ranching and logging. These efforts to claim local sovereignty over federal lands were also deemed unconstitutional. But the broader sentiments of dissatisfaction with federal management have persisted. The current events in Oregon are the latest chapter in this much longer narrative.
To a large degree, these protests reflect the oscillations of the boom-and-bust economies associated with Western industries like mining, ranching and logging. The periodic rise of sagebrush movements tend to correlate with a post-war transition away from such industries toward a service- and information-based economy.
It should be noted that the people behind the Oregon standoff and other recent protests are extremists. But it’s also true that there are many rural Westerners whose livelihoods are tied to federal lands who feel disenfranchised from society’s changing values.
The government is charged with managing federal lands on behalf of all American people. Over the decades, the general public has placed more importance on protecting biodiversity, sustaining environmental health, and access to recreational opportunities on public lands. Federal agencies have had to struggle to balance these interests with the interests of people who use the same land for their livelihoods.
This is not to say that ranchers are unsupportive of environmental priorities. Many have grazed livestock on the same permits for generations and developed a rich knowledge of local ecologies. In recent decades, there have been a number of instances whereby innovative and collaborative management approaches have resulted in “win-win” scenarios for ranchers, rural communities, and the goal of environmental sustainability. (The Malpai Borderlands Group, an environmental nonprofit founded and led by ranchers, is one example.)
Yet the fundamental conflict is substantial. In this context, it makes sense that federal lands have become a focal point for broader conversations about land rights and the role of government in environmental regulation. The Oregon standoff clearly represents a fringe perspective. But the much larger underlying tensions between resource use and conservation in Western public lands will be the subjects of continued debate for decades to come.
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Live streamed from Burns Oregon town hall meeting.
3 hrs 10 minutes lost video near the end.
http://youtu.be/ELXMyTjMmXk
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[QUOTE=mick silver;810098]SAGEBRUSH REBELLIONSHow the federal government went from realtor to landlord in the American West
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Randall Wilson
January 08, 2016
https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2...rip=all&w=3000The Oregon standoff reflects broader tensions between ranchers and the federal government. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
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th century, the over-tilled and overgrazed landscapes out West led to the Dust Bowl. This moved Congress to place the remaining unclaimed public rangelands in the West under federal management as well. To prevent overstocking, the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act set up a permit and fee system for grazing on lands managed by what would become the BLM. In this way, federal managers could control the number of livestock and time allowed for grazing on any permitted area based on the conditions of the pasture.
This paragraph is pure bullshit. MThe dustbowl was in the midwest and led to the migration of many out to California on Route 66. Grapes of Wrath
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sorry if repost; haven't read the whole thread-- notice the date, 4 years ago:
Malheur County targeted for gold, uranium mines
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Richard Cockle, The Oregonian By Richard Cockle, The Oregonian
on January 08, 2012 at 9:50 PM, updated January 08, 2012 at 10:09 PM
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View full sizeRichard Cockle/The OregonianAndrew Bentz and Andy Gaudielle of Calico Resources USA stand atop an estimated 425,000 ounces of gold in the bowels of Grassy Mountain south of Vale. The company hopes to win over environmentalists and get permission to sink mine shafts into the mountain to claim the rich lode, which geologists say could include an additional 500,000 ounces of gold.
ONTARIO -- Sprawling Malheur County could soon be in the spotlight as a mining hub -- or a battleground of uranium and gold mining interests vs. environmentalists trying to protect its lonesome sagebrush landscape.
Australian-owned Oregon Energy LLC hopes to mine 18 million pounds of yellowcake uranium from the southeastern Oregon high desert 10 miles west of McDermitt near the Oregon-Nevada boundary. The go-ahead to mine the so-called Aurora uranium deposit could bring up to 250 construction jobs to the county, followed by 150 mining jobs.
Meanwhile, Calico Resources USA Corp., a subsidiary of a Vancouver, B.C., company, may seek permits this month to chemically extract microscopic gold from a high desert butte south of Vale called Grassy Mountain, a project likely to create another 100 jobs.
Mining history
Gold: Mining once was a major part of Oregon's economy and the most sought-after mineral was gold. Since its discovery in Oregon in the mid-1800s, miners have wrested an estimated 5.5 million ounces of gold from the state's streams and underground "hardrock" mines. At today's prices, that gold would bring about $1,616 per ounce. Half to two-thirds was found in northeastern Oregon. Baker County and Josephine County have had the most active claims.
Uranium: Uranium was first discovered in Oregon in the 1930s and a small amount was mined on Bear Creek Butte, 40 miles southeast of Bend, in 1960. The White King and Lucky Lass mines near Lakeview came later and there are known deposits of uranium in Baker, Clackamas, Crook, Curry, Harney, Jackson, Lake, Malheur, Polk and Union counties.
The proposals will be the first real test of the 1991 chemical processing mining law passed by the Legislature in response to a debate over mining's future in Oregon, said environmentalist Larry Tuttle. The law ushered in tough new bonding requirements to weed out marginal operators and guarantee environmental cleanup.
Approval of the Grassy Mountain project could trigger a deluge of new chemical mining in Malheur County. Up to a dozen gold deposits similar to Grassy Mountain dot the high desert between the Snake River town of Huntington and Jordan Valley.
The county, sparsely populated with only 31,313 people, could use new jobs, said County Commissioner Dan Joyce. Its unemployment rate in November was 10.3 percent, compared with 9.1 percent for Oregon and 8.6 percent for the nation.
Mining companies have passed up the county in the past because of Oregon's environmentally conscious reputation, Joyce said. But this time, the sluggish local and state economies, higher mineral prices and technological advances in mining and cleanup could open a door to mining, he said.
"I'm thinking people are a lot hungrier now than they were," Joyce said.
Uranium mine plan
Oregon Energy's proposal calls for extracting ore from a mile-long, 600-foot wide, 250-foot deep open pit 10 miles west of McDermitt and 3 miles north of the Oregon-Nevada border. The mine, adjoining the former Bretz Mercury Mine, a contaminated open-pit site from the 1960s, would cost $200 million to develop and uranium extraction could continue for up to 20 years, said Oregon Energy President Lachlan Reynolds.
Plans call for the ore to be crushed and mixed with an acid solution in enclosed vats to leach out the uranium, he said. The acid would bond with the uranium and when dry become a sand-like powder called uranium oxide concentrate, or yellowcake.
Yellowcake would bring $52 per pound and could fuel nuclear reactors or be processed into weapons.
Tuttle, spokesman for the Portland-based Center for Environmental Equity, foresees environmental problems.
The likelihood of sulfuric acid being used in processing the ore means it could remain in the mine tailings after milling, he said.
The snag is that sulfuric acid tends to continuously leach out heavy metals that occur naturally in waste rock and tailings, contaminating ground water.
"Just because you are through with the processing, years later you still have the issue with that interaction," he said.
But probably the biggest environmental hurdle for the Aurora mine would be the release of mercury, Tuttle said. "The whole Owyhee Reservoir has been affected by naturally occurring background mercury," and uranium mining could release more, he said.
Gold mine proposal
Environmental considerations first thrust Grassy Mountain into the consciousness of Oregonians in the late 1980s and early '90s when Newmont Gold Co. proposed introducing Nevada-style open-pit cyanide heap-leach gold mining there.
Low gold prices ultimately prompted Newmont to write off its $33.8 million investment and abandon plans to mine Grassy Mountain in 1995, but only after the site came to symbolize the conflict between economic development and environmental activism in eastern Oregon.
Calico Resources would take a dramatically different approach, said Andrew Bentz of Ontario, spokesman for Calico. The company proposes to sink an 850-foot underground shaft or tunnel to remove 1,000 tons of ore per day from Grassy Mountain, he said.
The operation expects to remove at least 425,000 ounces of gold from the mountain. The company's investment and exploration costs probably will total $100 million before mining begins, said Calico project manager Andy Gaudielle.
Mineral-bearing rock would be milled for microscopic gold in a closed chemical process that wouldn't include the bird-attracting open settling ponds of diluted cyanide that worried Newmont's opponents, said Bentz, a retired Malheur County sheriff.
Mining and reclamation of Grassy Mountain would take about 12 years, unless new gold discoveries are made, he said.
Bentz believes Calico won't face the level of environmental opposition that attended Newmont's proposal.
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An open-pit uranium mine is proposed on this high desert site in southeastern Oregon's Malheur County -- the same ground where the old Bretz Mercury Mine (shown here) once stood. Uranium, mercury, silver, gold and other heavy metals often are found in the same areas, geologists say. Mercury was discovered here in 1931, and state mining records show that 152,000 tons of ore were mined in 1937. More mining took place during the 1940s and '50s, and at one point the Bretz was one of the largest high-grade mercury mines in the nation.
Reynolds, the Oregon Energy chief, said mining companies no longer can operate in ways that caused the environmental problems of the past. Improvements in mining technology result in more efficient and environmentally responsible operations, he said.
"We will have to post substantial financial bonds to ensure that there is full reclamation of the site to an approved plan when mining ends," Reynolds said.
Only 5 percent of the nation's domestic-use uranium is produced within U.S. borders, although the United States takes more than 20 percent of its electricity from nuclear power plants, Reynolds said.
The most likely buyer of Aurora uranium would be a U.S. electricity utility, he said. He estimated the mine could become the source of up to 30 percent of uranium produced in the U.S.
What's next
Public hearings will be held after the companies apply for permits to begin mining, said state geologist Vicki McConnell of Portland.
Sixty-one acres of Grassy Mountain is patented, private mining land, but substantial portions of both sites are on federal land administered by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. Both sites are remnant volcanic regions where geothermal and hydrothermal activity has pulled heavy metals and other substances close to the surface, McConnell said.
Calico hopes to begin taking gold from Grassy Mountain in five years, but the regulatory pathway is likely to be longer for the Aurora mine because uranium is involved.
In addition to the Oregon Department of Geology and Mineral Industries, the Oregon Energy Facility Siting Council, the U.S. Department of Energy and the federal Environmental Protection Agency must review the uranium mine.
BLM permits will be required for tailing piles and the use of desert roads for both the uranium and gold mining.
Oregon has a process in place to allow mining to proceed if resources can be extracted profitably and in a way that's environmentally safe, McConnell said.
Whether that's the case here has yet to be determined, she said. "Geologically, we know there is gold in Grassy Mountain and we know there is uranium in the McDermitt area," she said.
-- Richard Cockle
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This was a damn good video and I listened to the whole thing. The Bundys have more local support than I thought they did.
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RedSilverJ don't trust the OR event:
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Oregon Standoff Set Up To Demonize The 2nd Amendment Locals React (TeamWakeEmUP)
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Dear Militia Members DON'T Go to Oregon! You Are Being SET UP! (TeamWakeEmUP)
^ That's UNlike JFriend who just returned from a trip to OR to investigate; and JF felt in his gut it's authentic, not a fed setup... and that's UNlike his 2 radio guests who cited lots of reason to question whether it's authentic:
The Realist Report – #OregonStandoff
January 9, 2016
On this premier edition of The Realist Report broadcast live by Renegade Broadcasting, we’re joined by my good friend Sean Daly. Sean and I recently drove out to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge just south of Burns, Oregon. A group of American patriots are occupying various buildings in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to protest and rectify the unjust and tyrannical policies various agencies of the United States federal government have and continue to perpetrate against law abiding ranchers, farmers, and private property owners in the surrounding region.
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This was a damn good video and I listened to the whole thing. The Bundys have more local support than I thought they did.
ople dont know then people dont know. god damn this shit formatting. done.
But if pe
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Looked like real people getting up and stating their opinions and a lot of it was positive for the Bundys getting the conversations started to make changes. There's a faction that don't want the Bundys to leave because if they do everything will return to what it was before and nothing will change or be resolved. Local people are afraid to speak up for fear of retaliation by the BLM. They are also afraid of the Feds who have taken over the school house, courthouse and post office.
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Tumbleweed
Looked like real people getting up and stating their opinions and a lot of it was positive for the Bundys getting the conversations started to make changes. There's a faction that don't want the Bundys to leave because if they do everything will return to what it was before and nothing will change or be resolved. Local people are afraid to speak up for fear of retaliation by the BLM. They are also afraid of the Feds who have taken over the school house, courthouse and post office.
Quoted for truth
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This was a damn good video and I listened to the whole thing. The Bundys have more local support than I thought they did.
I watched it live while he was filming it. People can post all the negatives about this they want, but when you see it filmed live the lies in the main stream media are all exposed.
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I don't agree with the way Ammond Bundy went about this, but now he is in this deep I hope he can accomplish what he intends to. He can't back down. I hope through his efforts the people in Oregon wake up. The city people won't because their lives are not directly affected. A percentage of the rural population will. Can they unite enough to be effective against a tyrannical government?
A local rancher said in one of the live interviews 2 or 3 days ago by Pete Santilli that the Obama administration plans another national monument on Steens Mountain that will displace another 400 families. I read somewhere else there was a national monument planned, but don't remember the source. Several of the local ranchers talked about the abuse by the BLM, cutting permits, forcing them to move cattle, etc.. One said the BLM stated a fire in the mouth af a canyon while he and his buckaroos were in there gathering cattle. The BLM crew were aware the ranchers were in the canyon.
I would like to see the people of Harney County get educated to the point they understand the Article IV District courts are legislative courts authorized by Congress having jurisdiction only in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, in a Territory or an insular possession. If that were to be accomplished the people would understand the Hammonds convictions are illegal, null and void. They could form a common law grand jury to investigate the matter, issue presentments, make enough noise the entire state of Oregon wakes up to the fact the feds have overreached their authority and expose the fraud of the District court jurisdiction. If this could be accomplished the FBI, BLM and US Forest Service powers would rapidly crumble.
If it can be exposed the federal district courts are operating without jurisdiction the federal government will suffer a huge loss of power and control over the states and the people of the states.
I can dream, can't I?
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If it can be exposed the federal district courts are operating without jurisdiction the federal government will suffer a huge loss of power and control over the states and the people of the states.
I can dream, can't I?
When you looked into or lived in the communist state of Oregon, the dream might turn into a nightmare...
The directive of a broke state would be to firesale any land to the highest bidder. more often that will come from outside of the entire U.S.
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Like I said ...not going to end well because these guys have no idea what they are doing and what they are doing is going about it the wrong way.
They are subjects and have no standing to complain or do anything about it.
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^ That's UNlike JFriend who just returned from a trip to OR to investigate; and JF felt in his gut it's authentic, not a fed setup... and that's UNlike his 2 radio guests who cited lots of reason to question whether it's authentic:
The Realist Report – #OregonStandoff
^ anyone who listened to this knows that in part, they talked about their meeting & chat with Pete Santilli in Oregon, and they acknowledged (in the above show podcast - not in person w/Santilli) that they'd heard the rumors of his being an agent. They left it at that. So I commented at JF's blog:
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January 9, 2016 1:25 pm
V.Eastwood & Susanne Posel as guests on J.Fetzer’s show on 8 Nov 2013 to discuss Santilli as possible FBI/Hal Turner fraud. Description:
“[…] The topic of today’s show is internet radio host Peter Santilli, leaked documents have revealed that he is working for the FBI and it is fairly certain that he is an agent provocateur put in place to help the US Government destroy liberty movements, demonize patriots and generally poison the well. If you are a Santilli listener please we implore you listen to this and study up with further content, don’t just take our word for it!”
http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/2013.html
^ scroll down to 8 Nov, 2013 for listening options. Also scroll further for the 22 Oct 2013 show, and the 16 Oct 2013 show.
I listened at the time, & recall VE & SP were pretty convincing. Oddly, Fetzer still associates with Santilli; JF was guest on his show in just the past few weeks discussing this “Rebecca Roth” (alias) character, among other things. Fetzer just learned his youtube channel is suspended, apparently the work of Roth, who JF just spent several shows “exposing as a fraud.”
4.5 mins, JF tells of his YT channel being suspended:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAbbLcVmezM
2 hrs, JF on Santilli’s 17 Dec 2015 show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vfCoqMkrtg
So I just rolled by Eastwood's site again, prompting me to comment further at JFriends:
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zeetip
January 10, 2016 9:55 am
Holy Shite! After a podcast dry spell of... a couple months maybe? VEastwood has just posted these 2 fresh ones; find audio links at the show pages:
Jan 8, 110 mins; I haven't listened so you'll need to skip through the audio to find where the PS/Oregon discussion begins:
"The Inside Scoop On The Oregon Armed Standoff Against The BLM!"
The Oregon standoff with the BLM is getting serious attention and this issue is very much misunderstood by the general public due in part to disinformation and misinformation coming from both mainstream and alternative media.
For those familiar with the BLM standoff at the Bundy Ranch, you can consider this new protest as "Bundy Ranch 2" with a similar cast of characters, armed protesters and a known FBI informant Pete Santilli as the media spokesperson for the protest group.
http://www.TheVinnyEastwoodShow.com/...t-the-blm.html
Jan 10, 45 mins:
"HOW TO SPOT AN FBI INFORMANT. Glenn Canady, Stew Webb & Vinny Eastwood Expose Pete Santilli"
Called up in the middle of breakfast, Vinny Eastwood lays out in detail the direct evidence linking internet Talk Radio Show host Peter Santilli to the FBI and his long track record of crimes he never seems to be punished for including carrying a concealed handgun in Ohio without a permit, under Ohio state law the offenses he was charged with came with a mandatory minimum sentence of up to 5 years, he was release the very next day, on $0 bail and all charges were dropped!
Now Pete Santilli is in Oregon and has been appointed the lead press agent for the protesters who've taken over a federal building, these people must be warned about this wolf in sheeps clothing in order to prevent any loss of life among veterans, militia and the American people at the hands of the government and the provocateurs in their employ.
http://www.TheVinnyEastwoodShow.com/...-santilli.html
PSantilli was recently on a Rense hour as guest, and the issue of PS' being accused of being an agent came up. PS denied everything, said it's all been disproven and put to bed. Since grizzom.blogspot stopped posting Rense shows a couple months ago, I have no MP3 link to this recent Rense hour with PS as guest.
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under Ohio state law the offenses he was charged with came with a mandatory minimum sentence of up to 5 years, he was release the very next day, on $0 bail and all charges were dropped!
That's pretty conclusive - he cut a deal or had one in place before he was arrested. It's normally a federal agency that has the muscle to contact the state prosecutor and convince him to dismiss the charges.
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PatColo
^ anyone who listened to this knows that in part, they talked about their meeting & chat with Pete Santilli in Oregon, and they acknowledged
(in the above show podcast - not in person w/Santilli) that they'd heard the rumors of his being an agent. They left it at that. So I
commented at JF's blog:
So I just rolled by Eastwood's site again, prompting me to comment further at JFriends:
Regardless of whether Santilli is or is not an FBI informant, it is immaterial, he has put out hours and hours of on the scene video which would not be available otherwise. His video has exposed the spin in the mainstream media.
The FBI has surveilance equipment set up that can hear a fly walking across the ceiling.
Here is a 45 minute interview with Brandon Curtiss, founder of Idaho III% militia whomare in Burns, Oregon.
http://youtu.be/km1I8mmmhQU
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The Federal Government has no legislative power over Malhuer Wildlife Refuge.
They have a property interest, but I doubt if they paid for most of it. Some land has been bought from ranchers, at fire sale prices, they burned them out.
Taken from the Eisenhower Report—which can be found in the right margin of the DRA Jurisdiction page—the attached pages from the Report show exclusive legislative authority over Harney County lies with the state, not the federal government. The federal government only has an ownership interest—called a “proprietorial interest”—which means no legislative, judicial, or executive authority!
Jurisdiction Is The Solution.
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From: Loma
Subject: Jurisdictional Codes of property controlled by the Fed in Harney County Oregon
Date: January 9, 2016
Read the documents, Malheur Fish and Wildlife Refuge is a Status of “4” Proprietorial Jurisdiction Only……..Post Office “1” Exclusive Legislative Jurisdiction…………………
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Like I said ...not going to end well because these guys have no idea what they are doing and what they are doing is going about it the wrong way.
They are subjects and have no standing to complain or do anything about it.
And that is why you should he out on the front lines advising them. Oh, it has no affect on you? The hell it doesn't this is Agenda 21 in full force. First they move the rurals off the land or kill them if they don't co-operate. When they have accomplish that they will move into the suburbs and the cities, breaking down doors pre-dawn and begin the confiscation your weapons or if you resist killing you.
This is serious. It is gaining momentum. If it isn't stopped now . . . . . . One World Government
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Bigjon
The Federal Government has no legislative power over Malhuer Wildlife Refuge.
They have a property interest, but I doubt if they paid for most of it. Some land has been bought from ranchers, at fire sale prices, they burned them out.
Taken from the
Eisenhower Report—which can be found in the right margin of the
DRA Jurisdiction page—the attached pages from the Report show
exclusive legislative authority over Harney County lies with the state, not the federal government. The federal government only has an ownership interest—called a “
proprietorial interest”—which means no legislative, judicial, or executive authority!
Jurisdiction Is The Solution.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Loma
Subject: Jurisdictional Codes of property controlled by the Fed in Harney County Oregon
Date: January 9, 2016
Read the documents, Malheur Fish and Wildlife Refuge is a Status of “4” Proprietorial Jurisdiction Only……..Post Office “1” Exclusive Legislative Jurisdiction…………………
Thanks for posting!
Question is did the legislature approve them buying the burned out ranches at firesale prices per the Constitution?
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7th trump
Like I said ...not going to end well because these guys have no idea what they are doing and what they are doing is going about it the wrong way.
They are subjects and have no standing to complain or do anything about it.
Bullshit, the f'n Federal Government has no standing everything they have done for the last 150 years is unconstitutional bullshit.
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Here is the text that goes with Kirk's email:
This is historic and everyone should watch.
The FBI agents, at least those nearest the camera, appear to be very reasonable. However, pay attention to the unmarked federal agent in black, the one wearing very dark sun glasses. He is different, very serious, constantly scanning the area, and says nothing. Like KGB officers, I suspect he is in the chain of command directly to the administration.
This situation reminds me of the Christmas Truce during WWI. Germans initiated a truce, which the allied soldiers accepted. Everyone came out of their trenches and shared their common Christian heritage to celebrate Christmas together. It lasted for days.
The Allied command was furious. It wanted war, not peace.
Understand, the globalists cannot get their wars, conquests, and bonds when people realize their common interests and humanity. That is why they made it a crime, punishable by death, to "fraternize with the enemy”.
The truce ended when an allied officer, on orders from command, fired upon and murdered a German soldier. Everyone ran back to their trenches. Men who had no stake in the fight; who shared common history, values, cultures; who in other circumstances could be good friends; resumed killing and maiming each other.
And so it continues. War after war. Another false enemy to bomb, invade, occupy, overthrow, “stabilize”, and overtake its resources.
Let us hope this does not happen in this situation, and perhaps reminding everyone of the Christmas Truce beforehand can help be a preventative measure. But pay attention to the man in black. I do not think the globalists want to back down a second time.
For the sake of our patriots, watch, then pass this one to everyone you can.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mark
Subject: You got to love it. Heavily armed Idaho 3%ers roll up on Burns Oregon FBI compound
Date: January 9, 2016
Historic: Heavily Armed Idaho 3 Percenters Roll Up On FBI Compound (Pacific Patriot Network) | Alternative
Perhaps a total failure of the federal model is unfolding? Sage Brush Rebellion #2 is in full swing.
