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I already answered it a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatColo
You seem to keep wanting to project that on me...haha.
I agree with Richard Gage across the board, top to bottom, inside and out, upside down, and backwards.
You better get working on that big nose, bagel eating, beanie wearing, joo jitsu rabbi pic of Richard Gage Pat. I'm sensing your logic circuits are in dire need of a coolant top up.
from Was America Attacked By Scary Moozlems On 9/11?:
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9. Did DNA Tests Identify Five Hijackers among the Victims at the Pentagon?
Another type of evidence that the alleged hijackers were really on the planes could have been provided by autopsies. But no such evidence has been forthcoming. In its book defending the official account of 9/11, to be sure, Popular Mechanics claims that, according to a report on the victims of the Pentagon attack by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology: “The five hijackers were positively identified.”92 But this claim is false.
According to a summary of this pathology report by Andrew Baker, M.D., the remains of 183 victims were subjected to DNA analysis, which resulted in “178 positive identifications.” Although Baker says that “[s]ome remains for each of the terrorists were recovered,” this was merely an inference from the fact that there were “five unique postmortem profiles that did not match any antemortem material provided by victims’ families.”93
A Washington Post story made even clearer the fact that this conclusion—that the unmatched remains were those of “the five hijackers”—was merely an inference. It wrote: “The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site” (emphasis added).94 All the report said, in other words, was that there were five bodies whose DNA did not match that of any of the known Pentagon victims or any of the regular passengers or crew members on Flight 77.
We have no way of knowing where these five bodies came from. For the claim that they came from the attack site at the Pentagon, we have only the word of the FBI and the military, which insisted on taking charge of the bodies of everyone killed at the Pentagon and transporting them to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.95
In any case, the alleged hijackers could have been positively identified only if samples had been obtained from their relatives, and there is no indication that this occurred. Indeed, one can wonder why not. The FBI had lots of information about the men identified as the hijackers. They could easily have located relatives. And these relatives, most of whom reportedly did not believe that their own flesh and blood had been involved in the attacks, would have surely been willing to supply the needed DNA. Indeed, a story about Ziad Jarrah, the alleged pilot of Flight 93, said: “Jarrah’s family has indicated they would be willing to provide DNA samples to US researchers, . . . [but] the FBI has shown no interest thus far.”96
The lack of positive identification of the alleged hijackers is consistent with the autopsy report, which was released to Dr. Thomas Olmsted, who had made a FOIA request for it. Like the flight manifest for Flight 77, he revealed, this report also contains no Arab names.97
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92. David Dunbar and Brad Reagan, eds., Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts (New York: Hearst Books, 2006), 63.
93. Andrew M. Baker, M.D., “Human Identification in a Post-9/11 World: Attack on American Airlines Flight 77 and the Pentagon Identification and Pathology” (http://www.ndms.chepinc.org/presentations/2005/266.pdf).
94. Steve Vogel, “Remains Unidentified for 5 Pentagon Victims,” Washington Post, 21 November 2001 (http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/pen...identified.htm).
95. See my discussion in Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory, revised & updated edition (Northampton: Olive Branch, 2007), 268-69.
96. “Ziad Jarrah,” Wikipedia, as the article existed prior to September 8, 2006. On that date, that passage was removed. However, the earlier version of the article, containing the passage, is available at http://www.wanttoknow.info/articles/ziad_jarrah.
97. Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D. “Still No Arabs on Flight 77,” Rense.com, 23 June 2003 (http://www.rense.com/general38/77.htm).
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also from Was America Attacked By Scary Moozlems On 9/11?:
13. Could Hani Hanjour Have Flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon?
The inability of al-Qaeda to have carried out the operation can be illustrated in terms of Hani Hanjour, the al-Qaeda operative said to have flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon.
On September 12, before it was stated that Hanjour had been the pilot of American 77, the final minutes of this plane’s trajectory had been described as one requiring great skill. A Washington Post story said:
[J]ust as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. . . . Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm.111But Hani Hanjour was not that. Indeed, a CBS story reported, an Arizona flight school said that Hanjour’s “flying skills were so bad . . . they didn’t think he should keep his pilot’s license.” The manager stated: “I couldn’t believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had.”112 A New York Times story, entitled “A Trainee Noted for Incompetence,” quoted one of his instructors as saying that Hanjour “could not fly at all.”113
The 9/11 Commission even admitted that in the summer of 2001, just months before 9/11, a flight instructor in New Jersey, after going up with Hanjour in a small plane, “declined a second request because of what he considered Hanjour’s poor piloting skills.”114 The Commission failed to address the question of how Hanjour, incapable of flying a single-engine plane, could have flown a giant 757 through the trajectory reportedly taken by Flight 77: descending 8,000 feet in three minutes and then coming in at ground level to strike Wedge 1 of the Pentagon between the first and second floors, without even scraping the lawn.
Several pilots have said this would have been impossible. Russ Wittenberg, who flew large commercial airliners for 35 years after serving as a fighter pilot in Vietnam, says it would have been “totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna” to fly that downward spiral and then “crash into the Pentagon’s first floor wall without touching the lawn.”115 Ralph Omholt, a former 757 pilot, has bluntly said: “The idea that an unskilled pilot could have flown this trajectory is simply too ridiculous to consider.”116 Ralph Kolstad, who was a US Navy “top gun” pilot before becoming a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, has said: “I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757′s and 767′s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described. . . . Something stinks to high heaven!”117
The authors of the Popular Mechanics book about 9/11 offered to solve this problem. While acknowledging that Hanjour “may not have been highly skilled,” they said that he did not need to be, because all he had to do was, using a GPS unit, put his plane on autopilot.118 “He steered the plane manually for only the final eight minutes of the flight,” they state triumphantly119—ignoring the fact that it was precisely during those minutes that Hanjour had allegedly performed the impossible.
14. Would an al-Qaeda Pilot Have Executed that Maneuver?
A further question is: Even if one of the al-Qaeda operatives on that flight could have executed that maneuver, would he have done so? This question arises out of the fact that the plane could easily have crashed into the roof on the side of the Pentagon that housed Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and all the top brass. The difficult maneuver would have been required only by the decision to strike Wedge 1 on the side.
But this was the worst possible place, given the assumed motives of the al-Qaeda operatives: They would have wanted to kill Rumsfeld and the top brass, but Wedge 1 was as far removed from their offices as possible. They would have wanted to cause as much destruction as possible, but Wedge 1—and only it—had been renovated to make it less vulnerable to attack. Al-Qaeda operatives would have wanted to kill as many Pentagon employees as possible, but because the renovation was not quite complete, Wedge 1 was only sparsely occupied. The attack also occurred on the only part of the Pentagon that would have presented physical obstacles to an attacking airplane. All of these facts were public knowledge. So even if an al-Qaeda pilot had been capable of executing the maneuver to strike the ground floor of Wedge 1, he would not have done so.
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111. Marc Fisher and Don Phillips, “On Flight 77: ‘Our Plane Is Being Hijacked,’” Washington Post, 12 September 2001 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...4365-2001Sep11).
112. “FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker,” CBS News, 10 May 2002 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in508656.shtml).
113. Jim Yardley, “A Trainee Noted for Incompetence,” New York Times, 4 May 2002 (http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9...competence.txt).
114. 9/11CR 242.
115. Greg Szymanski, “Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job,” Arctic Beacon, 17 July 2005 (http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.co...8131/29392.htm).
116. Email from Ralph Omholt, 27 October 2006.
117. Alan Miller, “U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ Pilot Questions 911 Pentagon Story,” OpedNews.com, 5 September 2007 (http://www.opednews.com/articles/gen..._top_gun__.htm).
118. Dunbar and Reagan, eds., Debunking 9/11 Myths, 6.
119. Ibid.
What was my "crime" thus far?
I doubted the the magic missile.
I took the exact same position Richard Gage did, yet some want to burn me alive at the stake.
Who is on what side? Good question. I'm beginning to wonder.
Gage concedes his entry into 9/11 Pentagon ‘quagmire’ has been divisiveQuote:
Originally Posted by joboo
While Gage never responded to the letter, he did freely discuss the subject of CIT in our interview. Here’s part of the exchange Gage and I had about the Pentagon:
CM: If you listen to the witnesses, the two things (impact and north of Citgo flight path) are completely incompatible. The witnesses say the plane flew on the north side of the gas station and they say the plane hit the building. Hasn’t that been ruled out?
RG: “I don’t know. Can you explain that to me?”
CM: Because had it been on the north side of the gas station it could not have knocked the light poles over.
RG: “Right. I agree.”
CM: Which means that the light poles had to have been staged. And I believe Pilots for 9/11 Truth has done a study in terms of G forces to indicate that there’s no way the plane could have been on the north side and then banked…
RG: “Well they said they saw it bank, the witnesses.”
CM: Yes, they said they saw it bank to the right. But that doesn’t help the [impact] theory. It doesn’t help it because they’re still missing the light poles (the official story has a straight south of Citgo approach, no banking). So if the plane really hit the building, why would you stage knocked-over light poles? What would be the purpose of that exactly, if you’re planning to fly the plane into the building? That certainly supports the idea of the illusion, doesn’t it?
RG: “Right. Ya. There’s a lot to be resolved there. I actually don’t have an opinion on whether the plane flew over the building or went into it. That’s not part of my statement. But I do believe there was a plane. These witnesses saw a plane, that’s an important distinction and also a disruptive set of elements in the 9/11 Truth movement. Most people in the 9/11 Truth movement think there was a plane.”
CM: Absolutely, including David Ray Griffin.
RG: “Didn’t he at some point support CIT as well?”
CM: As far as I know he still does.
RG: “And he believes there was some kind of plane present.”
CM: He believes there was a plane, he just doesn’t think it hit the building.
Gage admits he broke a promise to CIT’s Craig Ranke when he released his withdrawal of support:
CM: I spoke to Craig Ranke in Toronto in September and he mentioned that you had made a commitment to him that before ever withdrawing your endorsement you would talk to him first.
RG: “That’s probably accurate.”
CM: What was the reason you didn’t?
RG: “I didn’t want to go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth, because both sides of this argument are very convincing and very difficult, and I needed to be done with the issue and get off the fence.
“I’m not interested in pursuing the points any further because I’m already behind in the work that I’m doing and I need to focus on that. But if there’s some kind of information that proves something I might be inclined – probably not, though – if it draws the 9/11 Truth movement together instead of splitting it apart then I’d be … I’m a servant of the 9/11 Truth movement, ultimately.”
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com...been-divisive/
Links? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Pattern of Projection GirlI already answered it a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatColo
you know, like for example, "#224" ;)
^ while we all eagerly await Pattern of Projection Girl'shttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...1&d=1361024018 links to her past posts indicating her expert researchhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...1&d=1361024018 based speculation on the "Was America Attacked By Scary Moozlems On 9/11?" question; this old thread she started may give us some preview. It's got 3 replies, 2 of them mine:
Thread: CIA Threatens 9/11 Researchers After Discovery Of Cover Up Details
You still a "9/11: Press For Kosher-Truthhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...1&d=1361024018" fangirl, joobohttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...1&d=1361024018??
and she also started this thread, promoting fake-truther Susan Lindauerhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...1&d=1361024018:Quote:
Originally Posted by PatColo
Thread: Susan Lindaur Breaks Her 10-Year Silence about 9/11 & Iraq
whom I debunked here: #4
Quote:
Originally Posted by PatColo
Richard Gage: "I needed to separate myself from nutty conspiracy angles, it was poison pulling me down, pulling my work down, pulling everyone down"
Amen...
LOL @ Pat...no... Pat it wasn't scaary mooozlems.
Now you can go back to looking @ gay pics of dudes on the internet for your next, out of context, character attack, science fair mural post.
Make sure to get something extra racist this time. ;)