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She said she walked out barefoot and there was no debris. You want to try walking barefoot in this, and let me know how it goes?Quote:
Originally Posted by steel_ag
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/p...tcollapse1.jpg
It sure looks foot friendly. ....and a missile would not leave any debris either? Something isn't making any sense with your expert smoking gun witness. That woman in your video is either lying, or she was in shock out of her head, and does not remember very accurately.
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Originally Posted by joboo
Now you post a picture of AFTER the facade collapsed!
Lets say Israel did the whole 911 thing, in conjunction primarily with cheney and maybe a couple key defense guys. 99% of the military probably wasn't involved.
For example, the guy in the OP didn't know it was an inside job until he basically figured it out on his own, just like all of us.
In this context, the missile vs plane thing has a lot more significance. The last thing they would want is to have all the generals in the pentagon to think that Israel just launched a missile and blew a hole in their headquarters. It would probably really piss a lot of the brass off. Even though Cheney and the top Bush guys probably knew exactly what happened, I think they needed this to be genuine for the majority of the pentagon itself. In that case, it would be a big gamble to use a missile instead of a plane imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWHHid0Pmo
9/11 CNN No Plane at Pentagon Original Footage
The collapse shot out all that debris?Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard
So are you saying they planted all that? Can you give me an idea of when you think that could of happened after the the impact?
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Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard
Just go back and look.
All you need to do is have this airplane already going there hit it.
One is already en route. It's headed straight for it.
But instead, it somehow magically disappears right at that location, and a missile magically appears!
Then....they run around planting debris everywhere with nobody noticing in the middle of rush hour knocking down light poles all over the place with all kinds of people seeing the airplane.
Wow that seems incredibly odd. Hmm...wtf?
But somehow that makes sense...it seems like a viable plan. Let's execute it.
Use the airplane already headed there? Nahhh... no way...too easy.
Let's send in a magic missile then construct an insanely elaborate plan to cover up a million different aspects from the plane to the people, to the flight recorder, to the witnesses, to the debris, the missile itself...and the fabrication list goes on forever for anyone that touches it or comes near it. Everyone was compromised, and brainwashed top to bottom. Yes sir.
Gee that sounds damn complicated....Frank why not just hit it with the damn plane already?
No way man! Magic missile FTW!
Fly the plane into it already en route, that disappeared there, as indicated by the flight box recorder....no way...I've got a better plan! we'll use a a magic missile with the car proof lamp pole knock down upgrade, at the last moment!
It's brilliant!
Honestly I don't see how anyone could think the missile scenario is crazy .....sigh all those sleeping sheeples always doubting the wide awake truthers calling them crazy!
LOL....aye carumba.
When has the government done anything efficiently or within reason, joboo?
Let alone that it was a impossible flight path for that ship, and the damage was not congruent with any previous or future plane crash.
After the impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
If there was anything in that photo resembling a plane crash, I see nothing but a building collapse.
The glaring inconsistency in all this data, is that an airliner that could've had enough speed to shatter into bits upon impact (an impossibility with the official flight path given), in no way shape or form could have made it completely thru to the other side of the Pentagon.
Nothing would've been left to punch thru.
So the natural assumption is they would use a specialized super penetrating missile that is completely unlike the composition of an airplane on top of it all just to make it more "convincing".
'Pentagon attacked by a cruise missile not a passenger plane'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811wNdiwpwQ
Leaked videos of the 9/11 attack against the Pentagon confirm eyewitness accounts that the attack was not carried out by a passenger plane as officially stated but was rather the work of a cruise missile hitting the building from a different angle.
"There were 85 videos; a second video was released yesterday (August 29). Now it hasn't been carefully vetted but it appears to be quite genuine that clearly shows a cruise missile from another angle hitting the Pentagon," Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, told Press TV's U.S. Desk on Tuesday.
The people at the scene of the attack including CNN reporters say that they saw no plane wreckage following the attack, Duff added.
He said there are "reliable reports" from airline pilots stating that it would be "impossible" for the plane and any pilot including the top air force and navy pilots and the Top Gun instructors to have flown a plane to have accomplished what was accomplished.
"We have engineers at Boeing the company that manufactured the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon that say it couldn't fly that fast, it can't fly that low, it can't make those turns and it couldn't have been there," the investigative journalist added.
He further said that other physical evidence gathered at the scene of the attack against the Pentagon all indicate that it could not have been carried out by a passenger plane.
Duff concluded that “it is our belief that members of the U.S. government and one other foreign government were complicit in the planning and execution of the attacks on 9/11.”
http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/196598.html
It should be possible to use physics to determine what would make an impact like that. Figure out the amount of energy it would take to clear out that amount of cross section of building, then see if it's close to the energy of the plane upon impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
Gordon Duff:Quote:
Originally Posted by Horn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZufw3G931Q&feature=player_embedded
I addressed the "hijacked airliner hit pentagon" (HAHP) issue quite a bit beginning here,
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...l=1#post507105
and also in
Thread: Conspiracy Theory with Gov. Jesse Ventura- 911 Pentagon Attack (Full Episode)
that's ^ a good show BTW; the HAHP clique went ballistic after that pentagon episode aired- went into ad-hom attack mode against Ventura, since that's all they had of course.
In this Oct '12 Kevin Barrett radio show blog for his show Did a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon?, I commented:
so when joobo spews hereabouts:Quote:
Anonymous October 24, 2012 at 3:31 AM
[...]
But not much compared to the way the pentagon divisiveness exposed a whole slew of "deep cover agents", virtually all of whom I formerly believed were sincere.
And you know what nailed their cred coffins in my eyes? The principal voices of this newly formed "hijacked airliner hit pentagon" (HAHP) clique, who were formerly strictly objective in their articles/comments, & keen in their observance of the various disinfo ploys which the 911 perps/minions were using against us; then these same folks suddenly & conspicuously began deploying every fallacy in the 25 Rules of Disinfo (ad-homs, ridicule, straw men, question motives, etc) when seeking to make the HAHP position the "official 9/11 TM position".
And as Adam noted during this show, this new HAHP clique were plainly working together in coercing this fraudulent HAHP position upon the honest but relatively voiceless "little truthers" in the TM. So that's one of the huge victories I think this TJ show achieved: debunking the notion the the HAHP question is somehow "divisive", with the TM "split down the middle", which is total bull. Like you all agreed, this HAHP clique is perhaps 20 fake truthers who spent the early several years appearing sincere & building cred; then they attempted to pool their cred capital to torpedo questions surrounding HAHP, using brazenly dishonest "reasoning", but hoping their apparent "unanimity" will ram their HAHP disinfo gambit through, while shaming dissenters (most of the honest TM) into silence.
All they've achieved is to blow their respective deep-covers, in one fell swoop... LOL. Jonathan Pollard could hardly have done greater damage to the 911 TM's deep cover spook house.
Remember when they pretended to accept that the initial small round hole in the outside of the pentagon, was not in fact from the outside, but rather from inside, like pentagon ring 3 or whatever where the HIJACKED AIRLINER came to a stop? And this was obviously not the case... but numerous "big name" (fake) truthers were enforcing this surreal nonsense at the newly co-opted 911B.
And when Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory Pentagon show aired in Dec '10, making a very no-HAHP-friendly case; the 911B HAHP clique were howling their ridicule & disgust the following day, having only giving it 2nd Class posting visibility on their Blogs page. Full show, 43 mins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-1...ckfull-episode
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Originally Posted by joboo
... I must note, Jim Hoffman's 911research.wtc7.net is the #1 example of who I describe above as part of the 911 controlled opposition clique who, after years of cred-building, "disastrously" outed themselves en masse when they "united" in trying to ramrod their HAHP theory through to the "little truthers"-- desperately resorting to the Rules of Disinfo textbook in "making their case". They've been unsuccessful, as discussed in the Barrett show above (MP3 link), and were only "successful" in outing everyone in their clique as (formerly) deep cover agents. They keep plugging away with their disastrous HAHP gambit today though... with joobo here at GSUS representin', ad-hom'ing HAHP non-believers, and (trying to) 'flip the script & project' WRT how the evidence stacks up for/against HAHP vs missile/bomb(s) & no boeing @ Pentagon, while also (trying to) invert where the 'sane & rational' vs 'fringe/crazy/faith-based/yada-yada' folks are accordingly.
^ Bully/beratement mode activated.
The missile angle is being used as a tool to make the truth movement sound crazy.
Duff helped to spearhead it. Loose change pumped it out, Alex Jones preached it.
You're being conned while thinking the opposite.
You guys refuse to see it.
Yes, its plastered all over MSNBC and CNN.Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
Investigative reports detailing lightweight plane aluminum drifting thru tons of reinforced concrete like butter and eye-witnessed flight paths, are all over the nightly news. Directed towards unsuspecting intelligent folks across the U.S.
Where do you come up with this moonbat bolony?
Gordon Duff is a total disinfo agent. He even admits it.
If you want an idea of how the deception works look up Simon Shack/Hytten, the maker of September clues. Another lynch pin in smashing down the truth movement.
You guys are falling right into the trap set out for you on this "it was a missile" thing. It's hard to watch. You're either not up to speed, or disinfo agents yourselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zYSGv5HNPxQ
Give a read make up your own mind...
http://letsrollforums.com/simon-shac...-t28060p3.html
Thank you for incorporating some slow brain thinking (the good kind) into the discussion. The picture Serpo posted is designed to elicit fast brain thinking, in order to form an instant conclusion, based on an assumption (aka it was a missile) without actually knowing for certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by vacuum
in this thread, readers can find the following snips where you berate "hijacked airliner hit pentagon" (HAHP) NON-believers as:Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
and the following snips are from Thread: Alex Jones taken behind the Woodshed, where you berate zioncrimefactory as:Quote:
- It's retardation based on the lies from Loose Change, and perpetuated by Alex Jonestard
- Some serious Alex Jones promoted Loose change deprogramming needs to take place with this line of thinking
- caught up in a cult based thinking methodology, made their conclusions, then stopped thinking beyond it altogether from that point on
- susceptible to mistruths enshrined in cult like behavior. Sadly religion really does play a part in it
- crackpot theories
- preached (literally..as in cult)
- they have been subconsciously trained to believe, or simply just want to believe.
- Most of these individuals are faith based religious types.
- some of you are so wierded out over the whole GIM breakup thing it has scarred you intellectually into a permanent level of paranoia
- The entire missile angle offers as much to the debate as David icke and his shape shifting space lizards
- far fetched at best
- a billion times more far fetched
- Crazy even.
- those that trend off into wild assumptions
- continually decimates credibility
- see how many people would come up with crazy ideas?
- It's insanity
- this grand ultra ridiculous scheme of elaborate perplexity to no end
- The most complicated far fetched scenario imaginable
- this lunatic nonsensical truther angle
- For the love of god, and everything sane in this world, stop doing it!!
- a victim of Loose Change
- The propaganda of that video programmed your mind. You saw some random pictures with no time stamps, and now you're convinced of something.
- Was she lying?
- literally insane.
- All the missile hit the pentagon idiots are doing is fabricating the most unlikely scenario out of some kind of secret conspiratorial fantasy love affair of what they want to believe instead of what actually happened, and what all the evidence is showing.
- They were fed disinfo from a documentary called loose change, then someone they looked up like their hero ...Alex Jones...who literally preaches like a cult leader...drove it all home for them upstairs.. They are stuck in a cult mentality, and can't even see it.
- Anyone that has bothered to read what I've posted in this thread, and still insists it was a missile, is bordering on insanity.
- This is the very mindset that has derailed the 9II truth movement right into the dirt by getting it labeled as a bunch of tinfoil loons.
- Most of the same people arguing with me over that proven nonsensical baloney are arguing with me here as well.
- Something upstairs for them has been programmed to repeatedly form immediate conclusions without any legitimate evidence. It's a cult mentality method of thinking started by Alex Jones.
- What's pathetic, and lost are people that insist on forming conclusions based on skewed evidence
- Someone sounds like an idiot here that's for sure
- That woman in your video is either lying, or she was in shock out of her head, and does not remember very accurately.
- falling right into the trap set out for you on this "it was a missile" thing. It's hard to watch. You're either not up to speed, or disinfo agents yourselves
^ "Bully/beratement mode activated", indeed! \uu\Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
A little more projection to go with your gefilte fish there, joobo? :rolleyes:
CIT conference in Arlington VA, latest video endorsed by Richard Gage, Peter Dale Scott, Ed Asner, David Ray Griffin & more.Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
"The exhaustive effort by Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis of Citizen Investigation Team to contact, record, document, and analyze numerous first-hand eyewitness accounts of the actual flight path of the airliner at the Pentagon on 9/11 has been long overdue, but worth waiting for. The evidence they have uncovered and compiled in their DVD "National Security Alert" deserves serious attention - particularly in light of what we now know about the explosive destruction of the three World Trade Center high-rises that day."
-Richard Gage, AIA, Architect, Founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
“Citizen Investigation Team has produced an important documentary video that, using numerous independent witness accounts, successfully rebuts the official account of Flight 77’s flight path on 9/11 as it approached the Pentagon. It constitutes a further compelling reason for this country to investigate properly, for the first time, the full story of what happened on that day."
-Peter Dale Scott,
Former Canadian diplomat and English Professor at the University of California, Berkeley; Author, The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America
“Citizen Investigation Team have presented a reasoned, and methodical look at witness testimony the day the Pentagon was attacked on Sept. 11th. As stated in their presentation, National Security Alert, it behooves every citizen of conscience to question the offical story after viewing CIT's labors towards seeking the truth of what happened that day in 2001".
-Edward Asner, Emmy Award Winning Actor, Former President of the Screen Actors Guild
“This new film by CIT is far more professionally produced than their previous efforts. It is also more convincing, given the addition of more witnesses, so that they now have a total of 13 witnesses reporting that the actual flight path of the plane that approached the Pentagon was drastically different from the official flight path (which would have been needed if the plane was to knock over the felled light poles and to strike the Pentagon at the designated spot and angle). This part of the film's thesis is now established beyond a reasonable doubt. The film does not establish its related claim---that the airliner pulled up and flew over the Pentagon---as clearly, but it does make a good case for it. One of the film's most valuable parts is a scene in which cab driver Lloyde England, who otherwise gamely tried to maintain the truth of his testimony supporting the official story, admitted that the Pentagon operation had been planned by powerful people with lots of money. I am pleased to be able to recommend this important film with enthusiasm."
-David Ray Griffin, Author of The New Pearl Harbor Revisited: 9/11, the Cover-Up, and the Exposé
"I was initially skeptical of CIT's findings. But after closer review of the numerous interviews contained in their documentaries, a strong case has been made for an approach trajectory for the plane said to be American Airlines Flight 77 that is hundreds of feet from the official trajectory. The on-scene physical evidence attributed to the official trajectory is incompatible with the trajectory repeatedly described by the witnesses presented and is arguably suspect. Aircraft speeds described in the interviews are also much lower than those alleged by official sources. CIT's documentaries provide the viewer with the transparency and real-time detail regarding events at the Pentagon on 9/11, not provided by accounts offered by the federal government or major media."
-Aidan Monaghan, Researcher
List of all current endorsements available here:
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/praise.html
Its all a pile of evidence for whatever happened and as there is no photo of an incoming plane .......if there was a plane it would here in this photo..............more fast thinking..........Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
http://www.freeworldalliance.biz/Pic...agonImpact.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...O6kl0-e9Wdeq28
720 × 360 - notafreemason.com
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Originally Posted by PatColo
Nothing I said was directly leveled as personal attack. I am speaking to ideologies, concepts, situations, as being crazy far fetched etc... not directly to the individual.
Learn to recognize the difference!
You on the other hand....and you make it racist on top of it all!
So are you Zion Crime Factory?
Did I personally attack you? Was I speaking to you? Was I bullying you directly at the time?
Those three grainy frames are so inconclusive it's unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpo
Take away all the photos, and you still have a highly likely, and extremely simple, scenario, v.s. the most convoluted, and contrived situation imaginable.
It's inescapable, and impossible to deny.
That last photo with the wingspan is simply incorrect btw...
you've been constantly (trying to) label/brand those who don't buy your/zion.gov's official "hijacked airliner hit pentagon" (HAHP) theory, as suffering from some colorfully-described variety of mental illness. So yes you were speaking to me, and to the majority of the 911 research community who share HAHP disbelief. Now you're disingenuously ducking bobbing & weaving in your denial of this conspicuous truth, insulting every reader's intelligence in the process. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
A disinformation shill would try to propagate such bologna ^ in a bid to bully weaker minded readers from exploring or discussing with others whatever avenue of inquiry zion.gov/you are seeking to suppress... in this instance, the fact that Arab/Muslims had no significant role in the planning/orchestration of 911, outside of being the patsies designated by the real 911 perps.
joobo, as the self-posturing 'sane & rational' 911 researcher you are, what role if any do you speculate "Arab/Muslim Jihadists" played in 911? :|~
please quote whatever I wrote which triggered your highly tuned waycism-detector... again...???Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
The joos just pissed that he can't disprove the video showing that Jackie did it... Hidden right in front of your eyes.
rense radio last night, 50 mins, 20 MBs
Listen Download Hour 2 - Maj Gen Albert Stubblebine - How The Government Has 'Discussions With A Dupe'
Its not being racist, joboo.Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
We're just making large scathing notes of your differences.
The pink, is it your natural color?
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...-people-29.jpg
Dude, that's your rabbit hole of delight. Don't associate me with first ladies blowing their husbands brains out right in front of everyone because of some grainy gov edited video. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2
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Originally Posted by PatColo
I don't know what you ultimately believe. It could be anything. If that's what you believe then great, but I didn't direct it at you specifically by name.
There is a distinct difference.
So where did the plane go that was heading right for the pentag0n.
Where did it disappear to?
How complicated does it ultimately need to be v.s. just hitting the thing with the airplane already going right there which is all they needed to do.
It had to unfathomably complicated. v.s. excruciatingly simple. It just had to be.
Occam's razor calling...
joboo, you have a zero comprehension level in aeronautics or physics,Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
trying to explain to you the difficulties of spearing a boeing nose first down a low slope, into the base of a building, is like trying to teach a 4 year old how to tie his shoes.
Nobody has time for it.
joobo, didn't catch your answers to ^, ???Quote:
Originally Posted by PatColo
Go back and take a look.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatColo
I dunno my brother has a masters degree in aerospace engineering, and I did rather well in physics class myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horn
What I feel time constrained for is conspiracy theories that form conclusions based on the most contrived realities imaginable v.s. the most simple.
You're going against the official narrative as a complete fabrication from top to bottom, then using the official narrative data again to form a conclusion.
Imo only such much of it could have been realistically faked due to the increasing complexity required.
Could the plane have hit that thing as depicted? I don't know but I do know it would have been very easy to hit it regardless despite how impossible it looks.
And that's where I can tell you that you are completely wrong, and your brother must have purchased his degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
It is impossible to the Nth degree, and exactly why those in the know call it that, impossible.
Just as a building falling on to itself without help from an outside force equal to or greater than it.
http://911truthaustralia.com/images/wtc7.gif
But you're saying this based on information coming from people that you think are lying to you about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horn
You trust them on this data but everything else is completely fake?