If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Salty

The AMA has a monopoly on the "health care" system and if one wants to make a living in the industry, one has to "play ball" so to speak. Too many examples have been made of renegades and lives destroyed in the process.

It is "art of war" time.

You have a great commitment to your patients and I sense you feel you will do the most good by continuing to help them rather than fighting a beast that will destroy you in the process and deny your patients your care.

When they outlaw healers, only outlaws will heal. Welcome to the new reality, pardner.

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That is a fine quote my friend. If I get though this, I may have a big plaque made of it to hang over my office door.

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Originally Posted by StreetsOfGold

Couldn't you move to have this person removed with a voice of no confidence, being reckless and possible mentally impaired?

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Wow, that would be a long shot of long shots. Don't forget that the CDC itself made this recommendation. I would have to discredit the entire medical establishment to have any chance of having the CMO removed. Let me tell you, in medical bureaucray, it is very difficult to effect change of pesonnel.

Is "First Do No Harm" From the Hippocratic Oath? Myth vs Fact

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/g...craticOath.htm

Mamboni,

Sounds like fighting this is a lose-lose situation. If you do lose your practice fighting this, your whole community suffers, not just you. We need more doctors like you.

Just throwing that thought out there. If I lost my job over something like a flu shot, it would just be me that's affected. You've got patients you are helping, a family to look after too.

It's important to pick your battles. I like the semantic idea now, just not playing their game.

All the best in whatever you decide to do, and thanks for your contributions on this forum. Try not to stress too much, God bless.

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Originally Posted by slowbell

Mamboni,

Sounds like fighting this is a lose-lose situation. If you do lose your practice fighting this, your whole community suffers, not just you. We need more doctors like you.

Just throwing that thought out there. If I lost my job over something like a flu shot, it would just be me that's affected. You've got patients you are helping, a family to look after too.

It's important to pick your battles. I like the semantic idea now, just not playing their game.

All the best in whatever you decide to do, and thanks for your contributions on this forum. Try not to stress too much, God bless.

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Exactly. Fighting the tyrannical machine at the precipice of economic doom would be a Pyrrhic victory.

When immoral/unjust regulations and laws are the order of the day, it is time to go rogue and survive.

As Hunter once said, "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Time to go pro.

I had to get a shot or sign this declination form to keep my job at one facility I work at.



Influenza is serious respitory diesese that kills an average of 36,000 persons and
hospitalizes more than 200,000 persons in the United States each year.
2. Influenza vaccination is recommended for me and all other healthcare workers to prevent
influenza disease and its complications, including death.
3. If I contract influenza, I will shed the virus for 24–48 hours before influenza symptoms
appear. My shedding the virus can spread influenza infection to patients in this facility.
4.If I become infected with influenza, even when my symptoms are mild, I can spread severe
illness to others.
5. I understand that the strains of virus that cause influenza infection change almost every year,
which is why a different influenza vaccine is recommended each year.
6.I cannot get the influenza disease from the influenza vaccine.
7. The consequences of my refusing to be vaccinated could endanger my health and the health
of those with whom I have contact, including:
• patients in this healthcare setting
• my coworkers
• my family
• my community
Despite these facts, I am choosing to decline influenza vaccination right now.
I understand that I may change my mind at any time and accept influenza vaccination, if
vaccine is available.
Acknowledgements
Representative
Signature:_________________________________ Date:________________________
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Originally Posted by Old Herb Lady

I am so sorry for your suffering concerning this matter.

Am I permitted to ask you a very important, powerful question on here concerning this flu shot ?

I won't ask it until you give me permission to do so, that's how intense the question is and
I do not want to put you on the spot, ever, you're under enough stress. :(

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Originally Posted by mamboni

Sure, ask away.

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Thanks. As being a staunch anti-vaccination supporter, I am now curious as to your stance on the whole vaccination issue.

My stance is that I do not believe in them at all. 100 % against them, all of them, but that is my world .

My question is do you believe that some vaccinations work and are good for you and other vaccinations, like the flu shot, are bad for you ?
I have seen you advocate a few vaccinations on here like Hep B vax, so I am confused, I thought you supported the polio vax as well.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...902-Hepatits-B
The flu shot contains formaldehyde , aluminum and thimerosol (mercury) just like voluntary Hep B vax that you've had before this mandatory flu vax threat.



I don't see how anyone could possibly in good conscience tell you to fight the Zios that are above you.
You are in way too deep & way too long to just lose your practice now all for the good & noble fight of not getting your flu shot.
Do we have any luck in our everyday normal lives fighting the Zios ? They're too big & wayy to powerful to bow down to some
M.D.s who will fight them.
Save yourself the stress and do the whole " I took my vaccination"-post #12)

They are threatening termination here.
To fight them you would have to be an anti-vaccination extremist that does not believe in the shots,
but you've said before on here that you've had other vaccinations.
They will bring your family into it, like if your kids are vaxed, your wife, your vax history, etc.
I do believe you'd be protected by a grandfather clause because you didn't sign a contract stating this mandatory shot when you took the job.
I don't know.


This is just my opinion Mamboni, but you're better off saving yourself alot of grief & suffering if you don't buck them.
If you do buck them, be prepared for HELL and I know of a very, very good school out west to get your Naturopathic Doctor degree.
If you know that you are a good, respected, noble, principled, ethical doctor just keep it at that & go with the flow & save yourself a war.

A private practice, as said here, sounds perfect for you. Then when you retire, you can still work a couple of days a week if you wanted to !

I think this thread needs moved to a members-only area .

Mamboni, thanks for the enlightening OP, I am sorry to see you in this position, you are not alone though.

You are in a better position than anyone to do the right thing not only for yourself.

I think you have some excellent comments above that I skimmed, I agree with, Gaillo, Uncle Salty, hoarder, etc

Many of your colleagues may not be aware of a lot of the information we have at our disposal from the net.

You can approach this from an educational point of view, educate your colleagues anonymously if possible,
you have email lists, numbers, addresses, of all hospital staff, female nurses especially ? Like Babushka Lady
said, don't identify yourself as the leader of the opposition and do it anonymously, you can make some waves.
You are not alone. Your OP complements a lot of info online, directly from the horses mouth just as you pointed
out.

Live to fight another day is rule number one. Taking care of number one, yourself, comes before that.

Stay anonymous, see what you can do, how much time do you have ? Buy yourself a year like Uncle Salty said.

If you and your colleagues take the shot OR NOT, they will have you doing this every year.

I see this more as a propaganda campaign more than anything else.

Identify the leaders pushing it and see if you can dig up some dirt, their affiliations, etc,
who's getting payouts, do it anonymously. Searches online, search their email address.

There is a history, people fought for freedom and they did it anonymously, stay anonymous.

DMac has a good post, you have some motivated soldiers here in your corner,
first we take the educational approach anonymously, see what materializes.

From there, I would only say that we have a lot to learn from our enemies.
They don't play by rules.

Ignorance is also our main enemy. Unfortunately, if you stand up as a leader to address this, you become a target.

Mamboni you are trying to decide whether to be free person and making your own decisions or to submit to the PTB through blackmail.

The medical system has been corrupted for many years now and it does become important at some stage in our lives to do what is right and not something based on lies.

By taking the correct stand(stick your vac up your....ect) you will find that life will help you out by making the right choice but you need the courage,have you the courage.

If we havnt the courage and they continue on their merry way ,then this is evil and destructive.

Live the truth be the truth for we are the truth and always will be the case.

First I want to say that this thread is a perfect example why this place really is the best place on the Internet, the free thinking intelligence of the membership is just mindblowing! All advice is just good, for dealing with the issue. There really is nothing wrong with dealing with the issue through the semantic route, you'll keep your job and you don't have the side effects. If you choose the more difficult road of rejecting the vaccine, you will most likely lose your current job, and probably you'll make enemies of some you consider friends today!

However I think you'll do great in private practice, which so far you haven't commented on yet, is that something you have considered to do? Or are you comfortable enough where you are right now? Really the great thing about private practice is that you would get a better clientele of patients, apart from the fact that no one could dictate to you how you should deal with them. Further if you are in private practice you will probably do way better when TSHTF, compared to if you are in the system, cause the system will not work any longer.

Further in your community you can make an example of how to deal with an unjust issue by putting your foot down, and just refuse to comply with their ridiculous demands.

Either way you choose no one should hold a grudge against you for it. It is good to get away from taking a shot that will not benefit you. But you may do much better than that, but it may be a more difficult route, at least in the short run!