Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
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JohnQPublic
It appears that Snowden's father is seriously brainwashed. I can understand that, because the issues being raised are, to say the least, mindbending. One of those issues is the definition of what is treason. Someone who commits treason is known as a traitor. Is Edward Snowden a traitor? Has he turned against his country? Or are his accusers traitors because they have turned against their country?
It appears that the whole political establishment in not only the United States, but in virtually all countries are traitors, who want to dissolve their own countries and impose some form of global government on their people. Is it treasonous for one of the people to oppose this?
My take on this is that Snowden is only a traitor if the people who judge him are incapable of critical thinking. Those prosecuting him are counting on this deficiency in the masses to convict him. How can one be a traitor to a country that his prosecutors want to dissolve? Isn't this prosecution the height of hypocrisy? Aren't the people condemning Snowden hypocrites?
It reminds me of the quote by Hannah Arendt about hypocrisy:
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What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core.
Hypocrisy is a vice. One that covers up corruption--which is an agreement not to fix mistakes among people who make self-serving mistakes. Snowden's accusers are corrupt--appealing to the ignorant.
Hatha
Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
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Originally Posted by
Hatha Sunahara
It appears that Snowden's father is seriously brainwashed. I can understand that, because the issues being raised are, to say the least, mindbending. One of those issues is the definition of what is treason. Someone who commits treason is known as a traitor. Is Edward Snowden a traitor? Has he turned against his country? Or are his accusers traitors because they have turned against their country?
It appears that the whole political establishment in not only the United States, but in virtually all countries are traitors, who want to dissolve their own countries and impose some form of global government on their people. Is it treasonous for one of the people to oppose this?
My take on this is that Snowden is only a traitor if the people who judge him are incapable of critical thinking. Those prosecuting him are counting on this deficiency in the masses to convict him. How can one be a traitor to a country that his prosecutors want to dissolve? Isn't this prosecution the height of hypocrisy? Aren't the people condemning Snowden hypocrites?
It reminds me of the quote by Hannah Arendt about hypocrisy:
Hypocrisy is a vice. One that covers up corruption--which is an agreement not to fix mistakes among people who make self-serving mistakes. Snowden's accusers are corrupt--appealing to the ignorant.
Hatha
When the people that employ you break laws and commit crimes against your country, imo you are no longer bound by any contract you have with them.
As long as Snowden does not reveal anything that jepordizes the lives of our military, or innocent people, he cannot be accused treason.
Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
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Journalists should ask a specific question: since these programs began operation shortly after September 11th, how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive that, and ask yourself if it was worth it. Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.
Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school.
Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
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EE_
When the people that employ you break laws and commit crimes against your country, imo you are no longer bound by any contract you have with them.
As long as Snowden does not reveal anything that jepordizes the lives of our military, or innocent people, he cannot be accused treason.
Any prosecutor can accuse anyone of anything at anytime. Whether they can get a conviction is another question.
Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
It's easy to see that the traitor meme is being built and it's coming from both the left and the right, or as we know it, from the elite in power, same shit. It's a PR war for the publics opinion...er brainwashing.
Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
[paranoia]What if....
Snowden has already been liquidated, and the tweet chat today was a controlled event with a stand in from some agency? [/paranoia]
Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
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Originally Posted by
JohnQPublic
Any prosecutor can accuse anyone of anything at anytime. Whether they can get a conviction is another question.
They usually can.
Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
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Re: Edward Snowden - Internal Whistleblower Behind NSA Leaks
I wonder- are there messages within Snowden's comments? Like "petting a phoenix", etc. (beyond possible sexual inuendo). How about in the rash of poses being posted form his girlfriend? Maybe his dad's message? If so who is he communicating to?
Another question: when are we going to start seeing the leaked documents (besides the piddly few pages from pp presentations)?
